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Aknot Wat Gallente Carbide Industries	Posted - 2007.11.30 02:19:00 - [31] Edited by: Aknot Wat on 30/11/2007 02:19:59 Yes I was bummed that my GAL BC) didn't really look any different. It was one of the newer ships added recently so I guess they are counting more on the new DX9 lighting to help those out. One thing I'd like to know is does EVE have a proper graphics option panel yet? Where we can control in engine things like AA, Filtering, Vsync, etc. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please let us chose the old ship voice as an option.
Shardrael Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.11.30 02:24:00 - [32] I do miss the teeth on the nid, was an awesome feature of the ship before, my only other gripe is the vagabond now looks all boxy and has no flow like it used to, additionally it has traded its awesome space camo for rust... the tech 2 minny ships dont have to be decomposing like the t1.
Trojanman190 Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.11.30 02:44:00 - [33] The nid maelstrom and cane look awful. But all the others, especially tho phoon, look amazing.
Yuki Santara Yurai-Tenshin Zaibatsu	Posted - 2007.11.30 02:47:00 - [34] Edited by: Yuki Santara on 30/11/2007 02:48:55 Originally by: Kritinana Because it's not actually millions more polies (maybe a few more polies), it's the illusion of millions more polies via the use of normal mapping. Basically an RGB image in the texture set that tricks the rendering system into lighting a flat surface as if it had detail modeled into it. There's certainly a high poly model over at ccp somewhere that was used to generate the normal map, but that model is not the same one that is used in the realtime engine. Because the new details are actually texture data and not raw geometry your vid. card is still the determining factor here. This bump mapping technique does not seem to be used very heavily though and it can't do wonders. A blocky shape will still be a blocky shape, the only thing it can do is to smooth out shapes that are only hinted at with a few polygons or to add surface detail. Besides, Voltaire's VGA is no slouch and definitely able to render any bump map you throw at it. My guess is that some models were simply rushed a bit to get this massive update done in a reasonable amount of time. Hopefully some ships and details will be revisited at a later time.
War Bear Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.11.30 03:36:00 - [35] Edited by: War Bear on 30/11/2007 03:36:31 The Nid's flying bridge and tail section look fairly trash. The lack of scaffolding on the Tempest and Typhoon models is disappointing. In fact the current older models look like they're made of rust and bits of steel plating that was found in a scrapheap. The new ones look like they were made like any other ship in the game and merely painted in rust-like colors if that makes any sense. The old Typhoon model, while ugly, was still a ship I was happy to fly. The new one tries to polish a turd and fails imho. The Prowler needs its bug zapper back on ffs. :( It really is amazing how these new models ended up. There are so many mind blowing remakes of classic ships that make your eyes bug out of your head and scream "MORE!!". On the other side of the coin you have a decent amount of ships that are completely uninspired or badly recreated or badly painted or a combination of all three. I hope the folks at CCP use the new models as a starting point and polish some of the elements that are almost but not quite there. The devil is in the details. Everything is funny with the Benny Hill theme song
Jaikar Isillia Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2007.11.30 03:43:00 - [36] I have some good news for people who are not happy with the trinity models. You can still play EVE as it is now!! YAY for you.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.11.30 04:00:00 - [37] hehe, pwned Originally by: ISD Valorem The Devs have stated multiple times that they are looking at the Amarr issues. Weekly quote: "Villains always have antidotes... They're funny that way." ~The Tick
ArmyOfMe Exotic Dancers Club Nocturnal Legion	Posted - 2007.11.30 04:33:00 - [38] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: Verone You're dis-satisfied with trinity because you've got a sub-par GFX card. Get a top notch card and you'll see the difference. Come on Verone. There are plenty of people with really high end cards (me), and what we're (me) dissapointed with is the modeling changes to the ships that make them look worse instead of better. Tail end of the Nid is a perfect example. The current design from a geometery standpoint looks far better. The Vexor/Ishtar model is another example. The Trinity version of the Vexor is all fat and chubby, making it look worse. The list goes on. verone has become a ccp fanboi now
Voltaire Leriel Minmatar BIG Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.11.30 04:59:00 - [39] Quote: The lack of scaffolding on the Tempest and Typhoon models is disappointing. In fact the current older models look like they're made of rust and bits of steel plating that was found in a scrapheap. The new ones look like they were made like any other ship in the game and merely painted in rust-like colors if that makes any sense. I've always felt that it was silly that Minmatar ships were supposed to be literally flying scrapheaps. The reason being that each ship looks exactly the same - no matter how many Rifters you make, they'll all be identical. This is because the ships are mass-produced and not custom-built as some of the older lore of the game would make you believe. Honestly, Minmatar ships probably started out that way, but after mass production kicked in, it simply became a "style." Meaning that the ships really are mass produced and designed deliberately and not "slapped together" but were simply made to look that way because it was a style people in the game world were used to. I guess this is kind of off-topic, but just somthing I'd like to share. _________________________________________________________ BIG Corporation Website
Octaviun Finite Horizon Synchr0nicity	Posted - 2007.11.30 05:28:00 - [40] All the minmatar ships look more awesome now , you can tell this is a joke thread because you didn't add the vagabond, look at that ugly stick i'd prefer the old model of it. _________________________________________________
War Bear Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.11.30 05:34:00 - [41] Originally by: Jaikar Isillia I have some good news for people who are not happy with the trinity models. You can still play EVE as it is now!! YAY for you. So you're happy with all the models? If so then awesome for you. There's a lot of good stuff with these models, I'd just like to see them perfected. Also, telling us to use the old engine if we're not happy with it is silly. Lets be real, there's not many of us that will pass up the new engine just for the fps performance so you can drop that argument. Everything is funny with the Benny Hill theme song
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.11.30 05:36:00 - [42] How can you say anything against the Stabber ? Stabber under Minmatar Stargate Stabber next to Minmatar Stargate ( Settings: hdr, low blur ) I like the new Minmatar theme. It's great. Tempest, Rupture ... great stuff.
SonShadowCat New Eden Communist Nation	Posted - 2007.11.30 06:20:00 - [43] I have a decent PC( 2.8ghz AMD dual core, 2 gigs ram, and an 8800GTS) and trinity looks pretty bad in my opinion. The textures are horrible and too many odd visual bugs.
Firane 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.11.30 06:24:00 - [44] How can you make this thread without mentioning the horrible front end on the Vaga? -----
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.11.30 06:33:00 - [45] Edited by: Plutoinum on 30/11/2007 06:33:02 Hmm, I agree that the mammoth needs some work. It lacks detail at the front. The cockpit looks like a textured block.
insidion Caldari Last of the Technocracy	Posted - 2007.11.30 07:03:00 - [46] Originally by: SonShadowCat I have a decent PC( 2.8ghz AMD dual core, 2 gigs ram, and an 8800GTS) and trinity looks pretty bad in my opinion. The textures are horrible and too many odd visual bugs. Yep, I have an above average system (intel quad core q6600, 8 gigs ram, 8800's, etc) and the sheer hype completely outpaces what's being delivered. I'm not sure who I'm more angry at, the team who took four years and 50 man years just to get this far, the people who decided it was a fantastic idea to make such 'wonderful' color choices, or the people who made the trinity trailer movies that look nothing like what we're getting. I know, I know, it's easy to complain, but seriously....this is the typical 'one step forward, and just ignore all those other wacky steps we took to get here' attitude from CCP. You'd do much better actually listening to your player base than completely ignoring them and constantly making completely insane choices with little or no reason to give.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.11.30 07:06:00 - [47] CCP's not going to listen to the playerbase because everyone has such vastly different ideas on what would make Eve better... I for one think that they should make more lowsec by cutting highsec in half... make every system like Jita so people will move out. I love what they've done with Trinity and aside from the week or so of unexpected downtimes during patch deployment I can't wait for this Originally by: ISD Valorem The Devs have stated multiple times that they are looking at the Amarr issues. Weekly quote: "No flying machine will ever fly from New York to Paris." ~Orville Wright.
Drasked North Face Force	Posted - 2007.11.30 07:13:00 - [48] The Vaga... I WANT MY WINDOWS BACK :(
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.11.30 07:16:00 - [49] Originally by: Drasked The Vaga... I WANT MY WINDOWS BACK :( Vaga is bugged anyway. Compare stabber and vaga and you see where faces/textures are missing or screwd up.
Kayna Eelai Gallente Shadow Legion Covenant Paxton Federation	Posted - 2007.11.30 08:06:00 - [50] Originally by: Voltaire Leriel To start, IÆd like to let you know that IÆm running this on a pretty top-notch machine, with all the graphics on both my video cardÆs drivers and the game engine turned all the way up. IÆm running a dual-core 2.4ghz AMD Athlon 64 with a Geforce 7950 GT and 1gb of 800mhz DDR2 in dual channel mode with very tight timings. ok, not that eve needs more than that... but just wanted to tell you that your machine is FAR from being top of anything. for example: the last time i've seen a gaming machine with less than 2GB ram was 2005 fixed to 23.15 kB (23710 bytes)
Fester Addams Minmatar	Posted - 2007.11.30 09:48:00 - [51] I have always been a fan of Minmatar ships, there were a few I did not like at first that grew on me (stabber) and naturally a few that after all this time still arent all that hot (scythe) but as a rule I like them all (typhoon and belicose most). Looking at the immages in this thread I can only say that I am pleased by most of them, only real exeption is the closeup of the new mammoth prow... I hope that is old texture that they are planning to remove as its appaling, the problem is not that its ugly, the problem is that it looks like bad rendering.
Keav Minmatar Spitfire Inc	Posted - 2007.11.30 09:53:00 - [52] I completely agree with the OP, I'm very disapointed in some of the new ship models and especially in the case of the Mammoth and Stabber the old ships looked better. At a distance everything definitely looks better, scales are more realistic and stations are definitely more impressive now, but you only have to start zooming in the smallest little bit before that first impression vanishes as you begin to just see a lot of blocks stuck together. I think a lot of the textures have been poorly designed/applied when compared to the old engine too. CCP also missed the oportunity when creating the new station models to improve/redesign the look of some of the station exits. Some of them (Minmatar) just have a glass tunnel attached to a brick wall, no attempt to try and give the impression that it might resess into the station, just a black texture would have helped. Almost like the two parts were designed completely seperately and then just stuck together. On a side-note too, as I loved the ambulation video that showed two pilots walking out onto a docking ramp and looking up at their ship, none of the new station interiors seem to have been designed with ambulation in mind. Theres no docking ramp anywhere near my ship for me to walk on... but that's for a different expansion Overall Trinity IS a great improvement, it's just a shame that (presumably) in the rush to get Trinity out in time for the holidays (or perhaps because CCP has grown so much and projects are maybe being compartmentilised) some obvious tweaks appear to have been overlooked and some oportunities missed. ...and before anyone flames my system, Crysis runs absolutely fine and looks fantastic ________________________________________________________
Chungito Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.11.30 09:55:00 - [53] I agree with most of the things you posted, and it's been bugging me for awhile. It seems most of the minmatar ships are lowres/missing textures or something. They don't have the "depth" that some of the other new models do. IF you look a wolf (in game)then look at a retribution or ranis or something along those lines, you'll see the disparity. It seems that minmatar simply aren't finished. Hopefully they will be soon. Other ships that seem to have downgraded would be the nag and the entire line up of boundless creation frigs. I don't know if there have been updates to the stabber, but each time I look at it now, I'm less and less disappointed. Maybe its just growing on me. It's important to note, though, that the problem isn't so much the new models, but the low quality of the models.
Tasuric Orka Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.30 10:23:00 - [54] Originally by: Voltaire Leriel Quote: The lack of scaffolding on the Tempest and Typhoon models is disappointing. In fact the current older models look like they're made of rust and bits of steel plating that was found in a scrapheap. The new ones look like they were made like any other ship in the game and merely painted in rust-like colors if that makes any sense. I've always felt that it was silly that Minmatar ships were supposed to be literally flying scrapheaps. The reason being that each ship looks exactly the same - no matter how many Rifters you make, they'll all be identical. This is because the ships are mass-produced and not custom-built as some of the older lore of the game would make you believe. Honestly, Minmatar ships probably started out that way, but after mass production kicked in, it simply became a "style." Meaning that the ships really are mass produced and designed deliberately and not "slapped together" but were simply made to look that way because it was a style people in the game world were used to. I guess this is kind of off-topic, but just somthing I'd like to share. QFT Minmatar started out being pwned by the Ammar regularly, forcing them to "slap together" stuff just to keep flying, but after a hundred years without serious war losses (since ammar skipped on the pwn) you can expect the Minmatar to try and work on quality rather than quantity, hence their tier 3 BS. I'm glad ccp made the design choice that they did. ________________________________________________ Currently training for "caldari overlord I" Thank you ccp!
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Infinity Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.30 11:04:00 - [55] THe NId tail of the new version is AWFULLY inferior to the old one. Please someoen on CCp givea look at it and really try to tell the oposite while not drunk If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.11.30 11:40:00 - [56] Edited by: Plutoinum on 30/11/2007 11:41:40 Can't wait to undock the Panther and see it in normal light. Was just fitting it in FD- and the station light colors everything green, so don't know yet, if it looks that way or like the other minmatar ships. First ship that could motivate me to grind some isk again. Don't know, suddenly I feel the desire to play EVE again, now that chrismas is coming, where I'm not there. At least CCP doesn't deliver content upgrades 2 days before chrismas anymore. With rmr I had to delay my depart into the holidays one day just to play a few hours before leaving for 3 weeks.
Sheila Chandra	Posted - 2007.11.30 12:01:00 - [57] didnt readed the whole thread, but i have to agree to the initial posting. Those models of Minmatar Ships (especially Hurricane) look very bad compared to others of the Minmatar. Somehow they look really misplaced when you stand with them in a station that has a ton of details in the textures now and then look onto the Hurricane...
Iyanah Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2007.11.30 12:04:00 - [58] Originally by: Voltaire Leriel review (condensed) The latest ships were designed with the release of trinity 2 already in mind, therefore their lack of changes, bar a minor nip/tuck are far from a surprise. personally, i think most of the minmatar ships were ok to start with, so once more, their lack of dramatic changes are not a big shock - i mean, there's been no more difference in any of the other races. one thing i will say is that i'm glad their lightened the matari ships a little, previously there were too dark to see any of the detail, and all this new hard-work would have mostly gone unnoticed. personally, i've yet to see anything that looks bad in the new expansion. ========================================== that's no moon... oh, wait, yes it is, the space station's out the other window.
sythiss	Posted - 2007.11.30 16:17:00 - [59] Well all that i can hope is that they are not done yet, and that some of the things we have seen were just the test server, or something, still the textures and effects are nice, just hope that the dull flat surfaces, and that dam shebox bottom that they seem to like the look of for the nidhoggur are stand-ins
Amandrace Minmatar Archon Industries	Posted - 2007.11.30 16:29:00 - [60] most ships look fine or better, especially amarr imo...but the mamoth really sucks...its even boxier then before. also, the hulk...ugly too.

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