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Neon Genesis The Landed Gentry	Posted - 2007.12.01 19:09:00 - [91] Edited by: Neon Genesis on 01/12/2007 19:10:30 You should also bear in mind that WoW is used as an example of games which are less harsh than eve because it represents the paradigm of the philosophies common to the fantasy mmo genre. You posted this thread asking why eve players demonstrated such a dislike for wow, and have complained consistantly about people drawing comparisons. You sir, are an irreprievable moron. _
zurich93 SPECTRE Ops	Posted - 2007.12.01 19:21:00 - [92] Im sorry if this has alredy been posted in one form or another but i dont have time to read the whole thread at the moment. I think the whole WoW hate comes from 4 things, WOW's success i dont think around 9 million subscribers can be wrong. The fact that some people always hate the top companies, microsoft is a good example, if the haters could make an OS 1/100th aswell as the microsoft company then why havent they? The wow hate is just a big bandwagon that people jump on because they see the majority on these forums beating on wow. There is also a big myth that WoW is played by mostly 12 year olds which to anyone with half a brain knows this is totaly untrue and just a stupid comment by someone who decided to blindly hate on a game becuause its not to their taste. To summerise, the hate for WoW is because of people who A. Just hate the most successful product. B. People who jump on the bandwagon C. Because of stupid comments that people seem to believe. Nope starts here actually :O -----Sig starts here------- <3 Kaemonn eep eep beep heep keep womble... YOU DO NOT POSESS THE POWER TO DISGUINISH MY SIG FROM MY POST MWHAHAHA
Kalahari Wayrest	Posted - 2007.12.01 19:25:00 - [93] Quote: philosophies common to the fantasy mmo genre. I'm not sure it has that much to do with the fantasy genre, given UO was a fantasy mmo (the first?) and was pretty much the pioneer for a loss based pvp system - before it went crappy (and also had a flexible/customisable skill system, not to the extent of eve of course, but you created your own class rather than being forced into one, and you could constantly change them. Also it was more freeform, in that there weren't really quests or missions, it was just what you made of it.) I'm pretty sure I read in a dev blog somewhere that UO was an influence for some of the devs. __________________________ Indulge Me Consider Yourself Indulged - Immy ♥ Wow immy scored - Xorus
Altterra	Posted - 2007.12.01 19:29:00 - [94] how it affected me... 1. I tried WoW, thinking it would bring all my experiences with the warcraft series to life. 2. WoW failed dramatically at everything, storyline got trashed, lame grinding, stupidlooking equipment (pauldrons the size of ireland!) and an overall childish community. 3. I played for about 6 months, hoping for it to evolve into something beautiful, again, didn't happen. 4. I decided to save my last few braincells by cancelling my account on WoW and returning to Eve where you actually have to think before pressing that button. 5. Went on forum to poke the OP, i never liked people who sees something brilliant in WoW, because that jsut means they've been sucked into the WoW-spiral of doom and despair. So all in all, WoW has taught me to love Eve. Thank you WoW for sucking such enormous amounts of @ss, thus allowing me to cancel my account and save a few bucks (which will be spent on Eve). Have a good day.
Araxmas The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency	Posted - 2007.12.01 20:43:00 - [95] Originally by: zurich93 Im sorry if this has alredy been posted in one form or another but i dont have time to read the whole thread at the moment. I think the whole WoW hate comes from 4 things, WOW's success i dont think around 9 million subscribers can be wrong. The fact that some people always hate the top companies, microsoft is a good example, if the haters could make an OS 1/100th aswell as the microsoft company then why havent they? The wow hate is just a big bandwagon that people jump on because they see the majority on these forums beating on wow. There is also a big myth that WoW is played by mostly 12 year olds which to anyone with half a brain knows this is totaly untrue and just a stupid comment by someone who decided to blindly hate on a game becuause its not to their taste. To summerise, the hate for WoW is because of people who A. Just hate the most successful product. B. People who jump on the bandwagon C. Because of stupid comments that people seem to believe. D. They used to play the quite kick ass warcraft rts and was let down by the soft happy cuddly crap fest that was the mmo. I mean people can hate an mmo because it's bad you know -------- The Derek Quote Pyramid
unknownuna Malicious Intentions The Church.	Posted - 2007.12.01 21:30:00 - [96] I hate WoW because at the end of the day, all you are doing is pressing a button and recieving a toy. After you get that toy you can move on to better buttons with bigger rewards, but it's the idea of it that I despise. EVE is still similar in some ways (all MMOs are), but the PVP aspect and actual loss/gain is what keeps me playing. It does mean it's ruined my taste for pretty much all other MMOs out there, but i'm happy enough here.
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.12.01 21:57:00 - [97] I never played WoW but i've no hate for it, and tbh i agree with the OP a lot of the wow bashers seem to just be jumping on the hate-wow-because-other-eve-players-hate-wow bandwagon, having never played WoW it doesnt effect me at all, and It doesnt bother me at all if other people play it.
Eardianm Darkness Inc. Blood Blind	Posted - 2007.12.01 22:40:00 - [98] What WoW player, from a server you probably never directly played on with him, and that you, for the purpose of this question, met/talked to after starting to play Eve, caused you to hate WoW? What Best Buy employee, from a store branch you've probably never shopped in, and that you met/talked to while shopping in Circuit City, caused you to hate Best Buy? A truly insightful way to limit answers to the question, sure to plumb the depths of this issue for you. I'd say troll, but the grammar, spelling, and logic issues are almost too good. --------------
Schwab Macabre	Posted - 2007.12.02 05:10:00 - [99] oh boy WoW... got a paladin and druid both to 70, raided the hell out of both of em. gained 30 pounds playing that game all summer. got out of it three months ago, dropped 50 pounds, got a girlfriend...started playing this casually. get urges to play sometimes, but then i look at how long it takes to reinstall and i forget it. still know tons of guys from that game, stay on vent sometimes and ive got their myspaces and whatnot. WoW, now that i think about it, was a total waste of time, even though i enjoyed it so. happy i met those kids, but wish i dident have to sit there for so long.
Pratiken	Posted - 2007.12.02 06:10:00 - [100] WoW...Where to start.. I leveled a Druid to 60 first. I spent 4-5 hours a day raiding MC with the guild. I got my full tier 1 set. Then after Tier 2 came out I got that set. I was one of the best healers in the guild. Then the expansion came out, and all of that gear I spent hours of wiping and button mashing for was suddenly useless by green items 1 level higher. I leveled to 70, and thats pretty much when I stopped playing because I knew blizzard would probably release another expansion and make everyones set items useless again. Sure enough, a new expansion is coming out, and green items will probably be better than Tier 6 or whatever the hell they're at now. Also, PvP is a joke. So I die, cool, nothing happens to you except you spend time running to your corpse. There is no real incentive not to die. In addition, the battlegrounds turned PvP into a boring and repetative grind. So basically, I wasted an entire year and a half of my life playing that pointless game when I could have been getting laid with my gf. (She never found out I played though).
Lardarz B'stard Amarr Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.12.02 08:22:00 - [101] I don't hate WoW - I actually think it looks very good. I would never ever play it though because I have Eve. It's also for children. * Yeah, that's right... it was me all along. And I would've gotten away with it if it hadn't been for those pesky kids
Harondor Miriadwaith Caldari Comrades in Construction	Posted - 2007.12.02 11:15:00 - [102] Edited by: Harondor Miriadwaith on 02/12/2007 11:15:36 Played wow since launch until just after hitting lvl 70 in BC and getting a "faction mount". I did really enjoy it at the beginning but then the story just seemed to get thinner and thinner. I really like fantasy style stories and the mage guild particularly seemed to have a good start with different quests from the norm. These vanished after lvl 30 and even then there were only 3. It always seems the wow devs start making something and then get distracted for a second by something shiny. Then when they come back to what they were doing they just give up and start something else. I know I have some wow-hate but I don't think it's for the game. Anyone would have to admit it's well coded and does what it tries to do (mass appeal mainly). But that for me is the problem, I absolutely hated the community on my server and hated the fact that I either had to pay or wait for my server to get overpopulated to move server. I moved twice and each time found the same bunch of whiney kids. At one point in PVP this guy decided to follow me around and try and kill steal. After a while I told him to leave me alone and after a rant no shorter than this one we got to the fact that he was 13 and me being 21 was "far too old to be playing wow". That was one of the last straws for me. And no this isn't something that only happens every now and then. Maybe I was particularly unlucky but this seemed to be the story all over. Even when joining an "adult" guild it really was still scraping the barrel maturity wise. Perhaps this was only on the EU servers but thatÆs the great thing about EVE - Everyone on one server. OBVIOUSLY you still get the whiney kids but you get everyone else as well and you can find a place where you are happy quite easily. And to the OP: Bet you're glad you asked now arn't you!
LaVista Vista Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.12.02 11:31:00 - [103] I hear that Verone plays wow But let me tell you something. When i look and played wow, i was sooo happy that i had eve aswell. Eve burnout? Go and do a wow trial, and you will be good for another 4 months Proud nublet of more public ISK than * CAP4U - The Plan
Orion Eridanus Dark Nova Crisis	Posted - 2007.12.02 11:42:00 - [104] WOW took my brother away from me. He used to go outside play games and sports with us and his friends, now he just grnds WOW almost all day. When I came back from Afghanistan he spent more time playing WOW than hanging out with me and our friends. No matter what we did we couldnt get hm off of WOW. It was always " As soon as I finish this raid." He'd say he only has a little more to do then he'd come hang out with us. 6 hours later there would be no sign of him as he was still on WOW raiding for the epic lootz and gear. Nothing we did could pull hm off of WOW. It got to the point where we'd just stop asking him to come out and do anything with us, and he'd be at home grinding away, from when he came home from work till he went to sleep. WOW cost him his job, almost cost him his 7 year relationship, and has caused unnessecary strain on the family and his friends. Originally by: Paulo Damarr That is a most Excellent Drake fitting, you are lucky to have survived.
Nigel Sheldon	Posted - 2007.12.02 15:33:00 - [105] i think eve players hate most (not all) WoW players cause they come into the world of eve which is a totally different game and then endlessly complain on the forums for better treatment and a easier way to access the game and start destroying players who have played for years. They dislike the fact that you can't start running the best tech within two months of playing, and then start demanding changes to the system of skill training that eve uses. Why eve players hate the game..... cause it has an endgame, a point where you are simply maxed out, have the best equipment and can not move forward in the game. that and the dodgy graphics and limited size of the world don't help.
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2007.12.02 17:32:00 - [106] Have you heard of the games Angband and Nethack? I ask because Angband players generally loathe Nethack for having such small levels, all levels persistant and dozens of features that you never ever notice. To everyone else they're both pretty much the same game style. ----- "Why can't you just be friends?" -- Oveur
Mtthias Clemi Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2007.12.02 18:30:00 - [107] It made me hate lofty even more.... -------------------------------------------- THE CAKE IS A LIE! THE CAKE IS A LIE! THE CAKE IS A LIE! THE CAKE IS A LIE! THE CAKE IS A LIE!
ry ry StateCorp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.12.03 12:11:00 - [108] Originally by: Adonis 4174 Have you heard of the games Angband and Nethack? I ask because Angband players generally loathe Nethack for having such small levels, all levels persistant and dozens of features that you never ever notice. To everyone else they're both pretty much the same game style. i always preferred zangband. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
ry ry StateCorp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.12.03 12:13:00 - [109] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: ry ry Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: ry ry as for 'being part of it', you must have more hand in galactic events than me, because every time i email goonswarm and demand their unconditional surrender i'm generally ignored. Being part of != being in control of. If you want to be the center of attention, I suggest you go back to single player games. Or possibly WoW. who said anything about being the center of attention? when people talk of 'being part of eve', what are they actually saying? That they have an impact on the overall world. Which they do. Everyone does. Doesn't mean they are the center of attention though, just that they contribute to a dynamic persistent world. which is the same as virtually any persistent world. wow included. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
ry ry StateCorp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.12.03 12:17:00 - [110] Originally by: Der Prophet Sadly it was just boring grinding all over but instead of "Ding lvl 49!" it was "You had the most DKP, gratz on loot". you were running molten core et-al at lvl 49?* DKP were just a solution to the 1-a-week epic set drops in the endgame instances. if you were using them in scholomance or any of the other instances you could run with a random pickup group, you sucked the fun out of the game yourself. *unless they introduced some 'endgame' content for level 49s? i haven't played for a couple of years. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.03 13:36:00 - [111] Originally by: ry ry Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: ry ry Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: ry ry as for 'being part of it', you must have more hand in galactic events than me, because every time i email goonswarm and demand their unconditional surrender i'm generally ignored. Being part of != being in control of. If you want to be the center of attention, I suggest you go back to single player games. Or possibly WoW. who said anything about being the center of attention? when people talk of 'being part of eve', what are they actually saying? That they have an impact on the overall world. Which they do. Everyone does. Doesn't mean they are the center of attention though, just that they contribute to a dynamic persistent world. which is the same as virtually any persistent world. wow included. I've been through this before in another thread and the answer is no, not in WoW. I'm not going to get into again, because if you need someone to explain the difference between the sandbox and the themepark to you, you won't understand anyway. (i.e., if you have to ask you'll never know) - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2007.12.03 14:07:00 - [112] Not much I guess, just disturbed by the fact people feel the need to talk about it at all. That and the amount of people willing to grind away in subpar graphics towards fairylooking epic gear at the end of that evermoving rainbow. To whatever end? There's no reputation to be had, too many servers, characters maxed out and discarded meaning lack of identity. There is no crafting and no item loss and with this no depth to the world. I'm dumbfounded by the will to grind frankly. Myself I'd rather play a MMOFPS for repetative motions. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
ry ry StateCorp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.12.03 14:12:00 - [113] Edited by: ry ry on 03/12/2007 14:14:01 Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: ry ry Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: ry ry Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: ry ry as for 'being part of it', you must have more hand in galactic events than me, because every time i email goonswarm and demand their unconditional surrender i'm generally ignored. Being part of != being in control of. If you want to be the center of attention, I suggest you go back to single player games. Or possibly WoW. who said anything about being the center of attention? when people talk of 'being part of eve', what are they actually saying? That they have an impact on the overall world. Which they do. Everyone does. Doesn't mean they are the center of attention though, just that they contribute to a dynamic persistent world. which is the same as virtually any persistent world. wow included. I've been through this before in another thread and the answer is no, not in WoW. I'm not going to get into again, because if you need someone to explain the difference between the sandbox and the themepark to you, you won't understand anyway. (i.e., if you have to ask you'll never know) LOLZ :x all you've done is snipe or vaguely tell me that i'm clearly far too thick to understand your intrinsic understanding of the nature of Eve. at least you didn't resort to telling me to go back to WoW, eh? no, wait. you did. let me explain more clearly what i was asking. imagine i'm talking v-e-r-y s-l-o-w-l-y if it helps. We all know Eve is full of near-endless possibilities, that's it's selling point. hilariously in practice people only experience a very shallow pool of the much vaunted sandbox gameplay. to all intents and purposes, the average Eve player is following exactly the same gameplay cycle they would in any other MMO. how is running COSMOS missions, or logging in to hunt ratters for a couple of hours somehow a deeper experience than completing NPC quests or logging in to hunt NPCers for a couple of hours in WoW? Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Reiisha Splint Eye Probabilities Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.03 14:59:00 - [114] Why is WoW mediocre? Because every single thing in it has been made to be easy, and it has been made to take a lot of time. There is no risk, there is only a time investment. There is no loss, there is only a time investment. There are no options, there is only the railroad. There is no balance between classes. PvP battlegrounds are cheap rip-offs from games that have done it better (UT, Battlefield). The rewards are purely based on time spent. There are only 2 activities in the entire game: Killing monsters and killing players. You have to do one of either to get somewhere in the game. The game has you find 30 wolfpaws. So, instead of killing 8 wolves and having 32 paws, you have to kill 100 and get 30. Why do all those wolves you kill have no paws at all? Ah, now i know, it's so you spend more time on it. The entire game is based on this. The art direction might be nice, but eventually the graphics are horrid. They were horrid when WoW was released, they are even more horrid now. All there is is to spend time on it. It's popular because it's easy, it's easy because all there is to the game is to spend time on it. That's all there is to it.... And the reason EVE people hate WoW is because of all those whiners that want EVE to have perfectly safe high sec systems where weapons are disabled, instanced PvP battlegrounds, instanced PvE, sharded universes..... All those are things that EVE is defined by by not having them. It's WoW's success with 'the common folk' that ticks 'us' of. It's the people expecting that EVE is a WoW in space. Sure, EVE has a grind, but it's optional. Nowadays new players don't have to go through a grind to 70 to enjoy all the endgame content. You can join a fleet in some POS destruction as support or tackler, for example. You can take down an age old vet regardless of skills, depending on what ship you use - Older players only have more options, nothing more. Most importantly though, EVE is not WoW, and apparently it takes a hell of a lot of skullbashing to get this fact into people's brains. EVE History Wiki
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.03 15:00:00 - [115] Originally by: ry ry We all know Eve is full of near-endless possibilities, that's it's selling point. hilariously in practice people only experience a very shallow pool of the much vaunted sandbox gameplay. to all intents and purposes, the average Eve player is following exactly the same gameplay cycle they would in any other MMO. how is running COSMOS missions, or logging in to hunt ratters for a couple of hours somehow a deeper experience than completing NPC quests or logging in to hunt NPCers for a couple of hours in WoW? Your attempt at an argument is flailing around, I'm not sure if this is an intentional straw man or just a lack of coherence on your part. Your original post was that WoW and EVE have equivalent persistent worlds, the 'rewrite' refers to individual game mechanics. But, I'll go along with it. Individual game mechanics are no better in EVE than they are in WoW. Anyone who argues otherwise is mixing up an intrinsic preference for Internet Spaceships over Internet Cliches with an objective context-insensitive analysis of the mechanics. - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
ry ry StateCorp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.12.03 15:08:00 - [116] 'objective context-insensitive analysis of the mechanics' indeed :D so assuming you agree that actually playing either game is a very similar process, where exactly are we all getting this warm fuzzy glow of being 'part of something' above and beyond the traditional MMO dynamic. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.03 15:17:00 - [117] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 03/12/2007 15:17:22 Originally by: ry ry 'objective context-insensitive analysis of the mechanics' indeed :D so assuming you agree that actually playing either game is a very similar process, where exactly are we all getting this warm fuzzy glow of being 'part of something' above and beyond the traditional MMO dynamic. Because of the greater freedom the game allows in the overall context. Going and shooting a guy who is ratting is the same mechanic as WoW, and going to fight an enemy fleet is the same mechanic as WoW. The outcome differs hugely though. In WoW the objectives are either static ones given by the game, or just playing for fun. EVE allows for an emergent structure within which players can assign themselves goals based on that structure. Fleet battles and POS spam aren't much fun (or so I hear). Building an empire and defending it, that the fun. That is the freedom that people dislike WoW for not having. Of course, EVE doesn't force you to take advantage of it, you can just mission your entire EVE career, if it was forced on you it wouldn't really be freedom. - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
ry ry StateCorp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.12.03 15:31:00 - [118] Edited by: ry ry on 03/12/2007 15:32:39 so that's the crux of it - you think Eve Online is better than World Of Warcraft because you can occupy territory? surely it would have been easier to just say that. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Araxmas The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency	Posted - 2007.12.03 15:48:00 - [119] Where did the op go? -------- The Derek Quote Pyramid
ry ry StateCorp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.12.03 15:53:00 - [120] Originally by: Crumplecorn I've never played WoW myself which makes all this rather redundant, doesn't it. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes

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