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Kale Kold Caldari V i r u s	Posted - 2007.11.30 16:16:00 - [1] I am getting sick of people always whining about their class becoming nerfed during a re-balancing patch, etc, etc.. You do realise that EVE is in constant need of small issues being re-addressed and balanced. Some changes might appear to be nerfs, but if you look at the whole picture these things really do need doing. 200,000 subscribers (and growing) can't be wrong! EVE is the only MMORPG to increase its userbase over the years. EVE's developers make good decisions that always benefit the game. EVE is awesome and always will be! Don't agree? Then go play WoW! Now please STFU! website \| killboard
N1fty Amarr Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2007.11.30 16:19:00 - [2] I agree. I think the main problem is people who train flavour of the month ships and then cry when they get nerfed. Guys, just specialise into something, you will be better at that role than any FOTM chaser. á ============================================
Arvald Caldari House of Tempers	Posted - 2007.11.30 16:20:00 - [3] Edited by: Arvald on 30/11/2007 16:20:01 Originally by: Kale Kold I am getting sick of people always whining about their class becoming nerfed during a re-balancing patch, etc, etc.. You do realise that EVE is in constant need of small issues being re-addressed and balanced. Some changes might appear to be nerfs, but if you look at the whole picture these things really do need doing. 200,000 subscribers (and growing) can't be wrong! EVE is the only MMORPG to increase its userbase over the years. you win the forums for the rest of the day EVE's developers make good decisions that always benefit the game. EVE is awesome and always will be! Don't agree? Then go play WoW! Now please STFU! you win the fourms for the rest of the day --------------------------- Im in your forums derailing your threads Moon Surveying Service
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2007.11.30 16:22:00 - [4] My name is Tarminic, and I fully endorse this thread. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in ~~pink~~ Forum Warfare
Beaver Poutine	Posted - 2007.11.30 16:26:00 - [5] I'm not saying that the game is bad and CCP shouldn't balance things, but basing the quality of the game on subscription numbers probably isn't a good thing to do. Given that the average Eve player had 2.7 accounts at last check (before the last "power of two" blitz), the real number of people playing is probably much, much lower.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2007.11.30 16:27:00 - [6] Originally by: Beaver Poutine Given that the average Eve player had 2.7 accounts at last check (before the last "power of two" blitz), the real number of people playing is probably much, much lower. Where do you get that figure? I know a few people with two accounts but generally one is the norm for those I interact with. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in ~~pink~~ Forum Warfare
N1fty Amarr Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2007.11.30 16:29:00 - [7] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Beaver Poutine Given that the average Eve player had 2.7 accounts at last check (before the last "power of two" blitz), the real number of people playing is probably much, much lower. Where do you get that figure? I know a few people with two accounts but generally one is the norm for those I interact with. Chribba skews the statistics massively á ============================================
Beaver Poutine	Posted - 2007.11.30 16:33:00 - [8] I did some informal surveying across SHC and in-game a while back. You're right that most players have one account, but there are enough eight-account miners and Burn-Eden types to even it out.
Jennai The Greater Goon GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.30 16:34:00 - [9] Originally by: N1fty Guys, just specialise into something, you will be better at that role than any FOTM chaser. ... until ccp decides that whatever you specialized into is overpowered and all the time you spent training skills to 5 was a waste. I could train signal suppression 5 to make my arazu slightly less impotent, or I could spend the same amount of time training caldari cruiser 5 to fly a recon that actually has effective ewar.
Kumq uat Gallente Round Table Enterprises DeStInY.	Posted - 2007.11.30 16:35:00 - [10] It is the fact that they are totaly changing the direction they were taking regarding the whole carrier change. Carriers were orignaly POS huggers who ran cargo. The devs changed them to put them on the front lines. This caused me to train for a carrier as I am a combat person. Now they become POS huggers again if this change were to ever go through. www.eve-pirate.com author and goat molestor.
Daelorn State War Academy	Posted - 2007.11.30 16:39:00 - [11] Edited by: Daelorn on 30/11/2007 16:41:59 Originally by: N1fty I agree. I think the main problem is people who train flavour of the month ships and then cry when they get nerfed. Guys, just specialise into something, you will be better at that role than any FOTM chaser. This. There was less whinage on the forums when Caldari/Missiles (Cruise Missiles fit in standard launchers, and torps in heavies) got nerfed. I don't even remember anyone really whining.
N1fty Amarr Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2007.11.30 16:40:00 - [12] Originally by: Jennai Originally by: N1fty Guys, just specialise into something, you will be better at that role than any FOTM chaser. ... until ccp decides that whatever you specialized into is overpowered and all the time you spent training skills to 5 was a waste. I could train signal suppression 5 to make my arazu slightly less impotent, or I could spend the same amount of time training caldari cruiser 5 to fly a recon that actually has effective ewar. Must... resist.... ad hominem argument... against goon... But seriously, you are now going to train up a whole different branch of EWAR because damps were nerfed? I'll warrant the guy that stuck with ECM and a Rook through all the dampener fapping is much better than your ECM Rook will be for quite some time. á ============================================
Daelorn State War Academy	Posted - 2007.11.30 16:40:00 - [13] Originally by: N1fty Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Beaver Poutine Given that the average Eve player had 2.7 accounts at last check (before the last "power of two" blitz), the real number of people playing is probably much, much lower. Where do you get that figure? I know a few people with two accounts but generally one is the norm for those I interact with. Chribba skews the statistics massively I think you mean Kayo.
Kale Kold Caldari V i r u s	Posted - 2007.11.30 16:43:00 - [14] Originally by: Kumq uat The devs changed them [carriers] to put them on the front lines. Yep, and that completely ruined lowsec PvP for everyone, so a balance was needed. These changes are long overdue and desperately needed. website \| killboard
Stakhanov The Good Fellas	Posted - 2007.11.30 16:43:00 - [15] Originally by: Kale Kold EVE's developers make good decisions that always benefit the game. lol
Lazarann Ideal Machine	Posted - 2007.11.30 16:48:00 - [16] This thread is full of delicious win.
Steve Hawkings	Posted - 2007.11.30 16:55:00 - [17] Quote: I am getting sick of people always whining about their class becoming nerfed Do you play wow ? i have no class in eve.
Cagot Gallente Arcanus	Posted - 2007.11.30 17:07:00 - [18] Originally by: N1fty I agree. I think the main problem is people who train flavour of the month ships and then cry when they get nerfed. Guys, just specialise into something, you will be better at that role than any FOTM chaser. I did -- drones. What did you mean?
Kronos Hopeslayer	Posted - 2007.11.30 17:12:00 - [19] Some of us play both Eve and WoW, so STFU and keep the MMO bashing to yourself.
Jennai The Greater Goon GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.30 17:17:00 - [20] Edited by: Jennai on 30/11/2007 17:18:19 Originally by: N1fty But seriously, you are now going to train up a whole different branch of EWAR because damps were nerfed? I'll warrant the guy that stuck with ECM and a Rook through all the dampener fapping is much better than your ECM Rook will be for quite some time. yes, because I have 39m SP, I like flying recons, I already have shield skills, and falcon is going to be a hell of a lot more useful than arazu in both fleetbattles and small gangs. 4d 20h for signal dispersion 4, 26d for caldari cruiser 5, and I have a vastly more effective recon at the same level of ewar skills I have now.
Lysianna	Posted - 2007.11.30 17:17:00 - [21] From beta to release. - People complained yet more came to EVE. From Release to Exodus. - People complained and yet, more came to EVE. From Exodus to red moon rising. - People complained and yet, more came to EVE. RMR to revelation.... etc etc It's always the same story... people cry, then adapt then cry more, then adapt more. When CCP presented a TECH demo of about the possibility to fly on planets, you actually had people complaining.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.11.30 17:18:00 - [22] Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 30/11/2007 17:19:26 Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 30/11/2007 17:18:33 Not to mention, people need to stop acting like any change makes a ship a complete failure. Just because you can't use it the same exact way you used it before, doesn't mean it is worthless. I am sure it isn't a surprise that I still see people flying Curses and Pilgrims, and using Nos (Or Neuts as the case may be) effectively. Originally by: Lysianna From beta to release. - People complained yet more came to EVE. From Release to Exodus. - People complained and yet, more came to EVE. From Exodus to red moon rising. - People complained and yet, more came to EVE. RMR to revelation.... etc etc It's always the same story... people cry, then adapt then cry more, then adapt more. When CCP presented a TECH demo of about the possibility to fly on planets, you actually had people complaining. Castor: Noooo, my tech 1 mods are now worthless!!! Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Liam Liam	Posted - 2007.11.30 17:23:00 - [23] Edited by: Liam Liam on 30/11/2007 17:23:40 Originally by: Kale Kold I am getting sick of people always whining about their class becoming nerfed during a re-balancing patch, etc, etc.. You do realise that EVE is in constant need of small issues being re-addressed and balanced. Some changes might appear to be nerfs, but if you look at the whole picture these things really do need doing. 200,000 subscribers (and growing) can't be wrong! EVE is the only MMORPG to increase its userbase over the years. EVE's developers make good decisions that always benefit the game. EVE is awesome and always will be! Don't agree? Then go play WoW! Now please STFU! Ye Eve is a very good game but Being abusive won't impress anyone or change their mind Everyone else has the right to their opinion too And if you don't like their opinion you don't have to read it.
Kwint Sommer Incoherent Inc Otaku Invasion	Posted - 2007.11.30 17:30:00 - [24] Originally by: Kumq uat It is the fact that they are totaly changing the direction they were taking regarding the whole carrier change. Carriers were orignaly POS huggers who ran cargo. The devs changed them to put them on the front lines. This caused me to train for a carrier as I am a combat person. Now they become POS huggers again if this change were to ever go through. You guys have a point when you say that flavor of the month followers are a problem and they do represent a substantial bit of resistance to legitimate balancing efforts. But as a carrier pilot I resent getting grouped in with all of them. Spending 15 months training for a carrier is hardly a following an FOTM. Further, heavily nerfing and making role changes to ships that require the invest of billions of ISK and tens of millions of SP more than a year after the last changes is not okay. They sent carriers down their current road, they let them go down it for more than a year with out the slightest hint that anything was amiss then 'boom' they decide to seriously **** them up. At least they realized that following SOE's model wasn't the best of ideas but now we're left in limbo as to what will actually happen. Seriously, if you think that every balancing decision CCP makes has been wise then why did CCP completely abandon the original carrier nerf? They implemented it on the test server so it was made, which leaves the question how does that colossal failure at balancing fit into your perfect little world? ___________________________________________ 5% Mining Implants & 5% Manufacturing Implants *From 110M to 150M
Kwint Sommer Incoherent Inc Otaku Invasion	Posted - 2007.11.30 17:34:00 - [25] Edited by: Kwint Sommer on 30/11/2007 17:34:53 Double Posting. My bad. ___________________________________________ 5% Mining Implants & 5% Manufacturing Implants *From 110M to 150M
Gnurpsnase Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.11.30 18:03:00 - [26] EVE is awesome and always will be! Don't agree? Then go play WoW! Now please STFU! Beside, that I never played WoW and never will: Who the heck entitled YOU to tell me, to stfu ?? If you think, you have to voice your oppinion here, than thats your right to do so, but do NOT tell ME what I can or not can do!! For the other paragraphs in your post: 200.000 ( and growing ) subscribers. You got the numbers of cancelations over the years because of changes ?? About the increasing userbase and being the ONLY mmorpg. Are you really sure about that ?? About decision making that benefits the game. I am sure it is always their intention to do for the best, would you allow them to be wrong, and give them a chance to correct that ?? I love this game enough to forgive ccp for any hickups they cause me and sleepless nights etc. But I don't have to take everything they do as given and godlike !!! And especially not because YOU say so !! If you get that easily sick reading posts here on the forums, you might want to see a doctor about that or just stop reading for your own health benefits .
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2007.11.30 18:09:00 - [27] Originally by: N1fty I agree. I think the main problem is people who train flavour of the month ships and then cry when they get nerfed. Guys, just specialise into something, you will be better at that role than any FOTM chaser. actually, the best thing to do is to train all races. you're pretty much nerf-proof like that. --- planetary interaction idea!
Rhaegor Stormborn Pestilent Industries Amalgamated The Volition Cult	Posted - 2007.11.30 18:20:00 - [28] I agree. I am happy with all the nerfs. Brings a lot more balance to the game, but there is still a lot of work to do imo. [PIA] Recruitment Thread
Dez Affinity Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.11.30 18:46:00 - [29] Yeah, because I can see the point of nerfing existing ships severly just so you can make room for a new one. Heck, just because they want people to use T2 Freighters they nerf everything, like how I now need a Freighter to haul a BattleCruiser or a max skilled Itty 5 with a cargo rig, 50m. The other races aren't so lucky, Caldari and Amarr simpy can't haul BattleCruisers where as Minmatar have to spend 130m or so. Seriously though, why would you nerf the hauling of BattleCruisers, how is that balancing. Yeah, I felt the need to rant about this somewhere, I chose this thread. _______________
Mikelio Raijan Sulithus	Posted - 2007.11.30 19:28:00 - [30] Originally by: Kale Kold EVE's developers make good decisions that always benefit the game. Let's play spot the 2007 player. That is.. unless you were a macro miner for the first year and abit. People complain because they care about the game and its delicate and complex balance(issues), this is a DISCUSSION FORUM. Who are you to tell people to STFU? Originally by: CCP Gangleri If you want better graphics you need to buy better hardware.

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