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ElCoCo
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.04 16:16:00 -
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This is failure at it's best! |
BoboTheClown
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Posted - 2007.12.04 16:20:00 -
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Lol i agree i only wanted the skill list rofl
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Si Delane
Sector 7 Visions of Warfare
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Posted - 2007.12.04 16:22:00 -
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This thread delievers.
But it could just be a clever ploy to deflect any actual good points people might make about the golem's utility in PvP.
(also at the "two badly fitted scorpions")
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Shirazz
Amarr Original Pirating Material
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Posted - 2007.12.04 16:52:00 -
[34]
yay new siggeh!!
Behold Castra Noor, Failed Troller! |
Taram Caldar
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.04 17:01:00 -
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Wow... just.... wow... Someone has issues :)
On a more serious note: The Marauders, at cost, are about 250-300 mill each. Certainly a reasonable price. Remember: ALLIANCES can produce for their members at cost. If you're in 0.0 odds are you're in an alliance. Most good alliances save 'profit' for stuff they sell to people who are not in their alliance and sell to their membership at, or only barely above, costs. Especially once they recoup their initial BPO purchases... which in the case of the marauders any decent industrial corp should already own the BPO and have long since covered it's cost.
ANYHOO I'd probably still stick with a Raven or CNR for PVP in the case of the Golem due to the better signal strength. A griffon could jam the marauder with it's weak arsed sig strength. Even with an ECCM Mod fitted it's still pretty pathetic.
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Xaen
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.04 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Castra Noor
Originally by: Castra Noor The golem will be the ultimate closerange gankage BS if used as torpedo platform combined with target painting. 1 billion ? lol ? Maybe the first day, on the long run golem will cost around 250-300m, that's a reasonable price for using it in pvp.
You fail. The T1 raven can outdamage a golem anytime, if fitted for ganking, as it can fit 2 blasters next to its launchers, which a golem can't.
rofltroll Support fixing the EVE UI | Suggest Jita fixes If you'd suicide gank yourself for what you're hauling, don't.
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Disco Flint
Caldari Disco Corp.
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Posted - 2007.12.04 17:03:00 -
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Wow, what just happened in here?
There's one alt going straight into the recycle bin :D
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Syfilis
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Posted - 2007.12.26 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: Castra Noor
Originally by: Castra Noor
Originally by: Castra Noor The golem will be the ultimate closerange gankage BS if used as torpedo platform combined with target painting. 1 billion ? lol ? Maybe the first day, on the long run golem will cost around 250-300m, that's a reasonable price for using it in pvp.
You fail. The T1 raven can outdamage a golem anytime, if fitted for ganking, as it can fit 2 blasters next to its launchers, which a golem can't.
Blah blah blah noob, try to fit 6 torps + 2 large blasters on a real raven, not on paper, that's impossible without crippeling almost everything. And you forget the tp bonus, that is xtremely usefull with torps.
epic quote
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Garozux Varonen
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Posted - 2007.12.26 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Castra Noor
Originally by: Castra Noor
Originally by: Castra Noor The golem will be the ultimate closerange gankage BS if used as torpedo platform combined with target painting. 1 billion ? lol ? Maybe the first day, on the long run golem will cost around 250-300m, that's a reasonable price for using it in pvp.
You fail. The T1 raven can outdamage a golem anytime, if fitted for ganking, as it can fit 2 blasters next to its launchers, which a golem can't.
Blah blah blah noob, try to fit 6 torps + 2 large blasters on a real raven, not on paper, that's impossible without crippeling almost everything. And you forget the tp bonus, that is xtremely usefull with torps.
Such people are the ones that favor the Golem and the other crap named Vargur
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Goberth Ludwig
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.26 23:14:00 -
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Originally by: Castra Noor
Originally by: Castra Noor
Originally by: Castra Noor The golem will be the ultimate closerange gankage BS if used as torpedo platform combined with target painting. 1 billion ? lol ? Maybe the first day, on the long run golem will cost around 250-300m, that's a reasonable price for using it in pvp.
You fail. The T1 raven can outdamage a golem anytime, if fitted for ganking, as it can fit 2 blasters next to its launchers, which a golem can't.
Blah blah blah noob, try to fit 6 torps + 2 large blasters on a real raven, not on paper, that's impossible without crippeling almost everything. And you forget the tp bonus, that is xtremely usefull with torps.
FAILVAULT.
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Chomapuraku
Templar Republic R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.12.26 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: Taram Caldar On a more serious note: The Marauders, at cost, are about 250-300 mill each. Certainly a reasonable price. Remember: ALLIANCES can produce for their members at cost. If you're in 0.0 odds are you're in an alliance. Most good alliances save 'profit' for stuff they sell to people who are not in their alliance and sell to their membership at, or only barely above, costs. Especially once they recoup their initial BPO purchases... which in the case of the marauders any decent industrial corp should already own the BPO and have long since covered it's cost.
WTB BPO for any t2 item released in the last eight months
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.12.28 04:16:00 -
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This thread wins :)
Official fanboy of jenny< pink supporter! looking to work in the art department with CCP, 3 years and counting. http://www.digipen.edu/main/Gallery_Games_2004#Narbacular_Dropthi |
Jimer Lins
Gallente Pod Six Research
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Posted - 2007.12.28 07:48:00 -
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All aboard the Failroad!
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Xequecal
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Posted - 2007.12.28 07:58:00 -
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Originally by: Chomapuraku Edited by: Chomapuraku on 27/12/2007 00:06:20
Originally by: Taram Caldar On a more serious note: The Marauders, at cost, are about 250-300 mill each. Certainly a reasonable price. Remember: ALLIANCES can produce for their members at cost. If you're in 0.0 odds are you're in an alliance. Most good alliances save 'profit' for stuff they sell to people who are not in their alliance and sell to their membership at, or only barely above, costs. Especially once they recoup their initial BPO purchases... which in the case of the marauders any decent industrial corp should already own the BPO and have long since covered it's cost.
WTB BPO for any t2 item released in the last eight months
the mineral cost of the marauders may be 250-300 mil, but since there's no BPOs for them, you have to factor in the cost of inventing the BPC. also, given that nobody's going to spend the time to copy max-run battleship BPCs for a single extra run, it's pretty much one-run all the way, unless you use decryptors. so "at cost" means 250-300 mil of t2 mins+raven mins, time in a lab to copy and invent, 64 datacores per job, waste from unsuccessful jobs, and for that kind of investment, you sure as hell had better be using a decryptor. all of which, if my guess is correct, add up to around 600-750 mil
Invention cost at current market prices with max skills is about 32-33m per hull. 20% base chance * 1.8x decryptor = 36% chance to succeed. That means average of 100 Mech E and 100 CSE datacores plus 2.777 max run BPCs per 5-run BPC. Mech E cores are down to 800k per and CSE cores are down to 80k. The 1.8 decryptor is selling for about 25m for the Caldari version. So it's approx 88m for datacore costs plus 70m for decryptor cost per 5-run BPC.
What's funny is the cost of Gallente maruaders is far, FAR higher, their 1.8x chance decryptor costs almost four times as much as the Caldari one.
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Shadowsword
COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.12.28 08:38:00 -
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Originally by: Xequecal
Invention cost at current market prices with max skills is about 32-33m per hull. 20% base chance * 1.8x decryptor = 36% chance to succeed. That means average of 100 Mech E and 100 CSE datacores plus 2.777 max run BPCs per 5-run BPC. Mech E cores are down to 800k per and CSE cores are down to 80k. The 1.8 decryptor is selling for about 25m for the Caldari version. So it's approx 88m for datacore costs plus 70m for decryptor cost per 5-run BPC.
What's funny is the cost of Gallente maruaders is far, FAR higher, their 1.8x chance decryptor costs almost four times as much as the Caldari one.
Please take a look at the current caldari T2 construction parts, and you'll see that the total build+invention cost is quite a bit more than 300 millions, even without any margin.
Oh, and lol at the troll. ------------------------------------------
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Helen
Eve Innovative Technologies
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Posted - 2007.12.28 12:44:00 -
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Fail troll fails.
Meet me behind the bushes at midnight! - Cortes |
Rilder
Caldari Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.12.28 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: Castra Noor
Originally by: Castra Noor
Originally by: Castra Noor The golem will be the ultimate closerange gankage BS if used as torpedo platform combined with target painting. 1 billion ? lol ? Maybe the first day, on the long run golem will cost around 250-300m, that's a reasonable price for using it in pvp.
You fail. The T1 raven can outdamage a golem anytime, if fitted for ganking, as it can fit 2 blasters next to its launchers, which a golem can't.
Blah blah blah noob, try to fit 6 torps + 2 large blasters on a real raven, not on paper, that's impossible without crippeling almost everything. And you forget the tp bonus, that is xtremely usefull with torps.
Dude, your arguing with yourself.
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Major Stormer
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.28 13:09:00 -
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Dude.....Yourself... Yo, sig it! |
Zimi Vlasic
F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2007.12.28 13:13:00 -
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hahaha, now that is quality entertainment.
Find Roid, Examine, and Excavate Explorer |
The Djego
Minmatar FORTES FORTUNA ADIUVAT CORP.
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Posted - 2007.12.28 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: Castra Noor
Originally by: Castra Noor
Originally by: Castra Noor The golem will be the ultimate closerange gankage BS if used as torpedo platform combined with target painting. 1 billion ? lol ? Maybe the first day, on the long run golem will cost around 250-300m, that's a reasonable price for using it in pvp.
You fail. The T1 raven can outdamage a golem anytime, if fitted for ganking, as it can fit 2 blasters next to its launchers, which a golem can't.
Blah blah blah noob, try to fit 6 torps + 2 large blasters on a real raven, not on paper, that's impossible without crippeling almost everything. And you forget the tp bonus, that is xtremely usefull with torps.
Hm this person might be in need of a Doctor. Flaming yourself on forums is not sane anymore. Epic example why Post with only one Char per Accout is a good thing. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank! |
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Derek Sigres
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Posted - 2007.12.28 14:09:00 -
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I wouldn't think the Golem was gimped at all if it werent for the dramatically lower powergrid. I figured it would be easy to fit a Golem for PvP since its pretty hard to jam 6 T2 Torps in a raven and have room for much else besides a tank without fitting grid and cpu upgrades but it turns out I was wrong.
At any rate, until I had some first hand experience in how well the thing works (or doesn't) I wouldn't risk it in PvP. I lose enough money as it is.
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Admiral Pieg
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.28 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Castra Noor
Originally by: Castra Noor
Originally by: Castra Noor The golem will be the ultimate closerange gankage BS if used as torpedo platform combined with target painting. 1 billion ? lol ? Maybe the first day, on the long run golem will cost around 250-300m, that's a reasonable price for using it in pvp.
You fail. The T1 raven can outdamage a golem anytime, if fitted for ganking, as it can fit 2 blasters next to its launchers, which a golem can't.
Blah blah blah noob, try to fit 6 torps + 2 large blasters on a real raven, not on paper, that's impossible without crippeling almost everything. And you forget the tp bonus, that is xtremely usefull with torps.
Few things manage to scare or shock me anymore on the internets, but this is just...
You might need some serious help mate, no two ways about it. ______________
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Yoshi Abe
Minmatar Pangalactic Gargle Blasters
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Posted - 2007.12.28 23:11:00 -
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Originally by: Castra Noor
Originally by: Castra Noor
Originally by: Castra Noor The golem will be the ultimate closerange gankage BS if used as torpedo platform combined with target painting. 1 billion ? lol ? Maybe the first day, on the long run golem will cost around 250-300m, that's a reasonable price for using it in pvp.
You fail. The T1 raven can outdamage a golem anytime, if fitted for ganking, as it can fit 2 blasters next to its launchers, which a golem can't.
Blah blah blah noob, try to fit 6 torps + 2 large blasters on a real raven, not on paper, that's impossible without crippeling almost everything. And you forget the tp bonus, that is xtremely usefull with torps.
This is a prime example of what can happen when you share a computer with your wife.
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Maverick McDougel
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.12.29 01:59:00 -
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Originally by: Yoshi Abe
Originally by: Castra Noor
Originally by: Castra Noor
Originally by: Castra Noor The golem will be the ultimate closerange gankage BS if used as torpedo platform combined with target painting. 1 billion ? lol ? Maybe the first day, on the long run golem will cost around 250-300m, that's a reasonable price for using it in pvp.
You fail. The T1 raven can outdamage a golem anytime, if fitted for ganking, as it can fit 2 blasters next to its launchers, which a golem can't.
Blah blah blah noob, try to fit 6 torps + 2 large blasters on a real raven, not on paper, that's impossible without crippeling almost everything. And you forget the tp bonus, that is xtremely usefull with torps.
This is a prime example of what can happen when you share a computer with your wife.
the question is which is the wife
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Sue Mee
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Posted - 2008.01.02 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Castra Noor
Originally by: Castra Noor
Originally by: Castra Noor The golem will be the ultimate closerange gankage BS if used as torpedo platform combined with target painting. 1 billion ? lol ? Maybe the first day, on the long run golem will cost around 250-300m, that's a reasonable price for using it in pvp.
You fail. The T1 raven can outdamage a golem anytime, if fitted for ganking, as it can fit 2 blasters next to its launchers, which a golem can't.
Blah blah blah noob, try to fit 6 torps + 2 large blasters on a real raven, not on paper, that's impossible without crippeling almost everything. And you forget the tp bonus, that is xtremely usefull with torps.
posting on an epic thread
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates Enuma Elish.
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Posted - 2008.01.02 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: Castra Noor
Originally by: Castra Noor The golem will be the ultimate closerange gankage BS if used as torpedo platform combined with target painting. 1 billion ? lol ? Maybe the first day, on the long run golem will cost around 250-300m, that's a reasonable price for using it in pvp.
You fail. The T1 raven can outdamage a golem anytime, if fitted for ganking, as it can fit 2 blasters next to its launchers, which a golem can't.
Not to mention that with similar isks, you can have a CNR, with a couple of hundred left over for a pimp fit.
7 siege launchers is rather nice if you have the spare cash for some faction mods to make your fittings pain fade a little. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking? |
Derek LovesYou
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Posted - 2008.01.07 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Castra Noor
Originally by: Castra Noor
Originally by: Castra Noor The golem will be the ultimate closerange gankage BS if used as torpedo platform combined with target painting. 1 billion ? lol ? Maybe the first day, on the long run golem will cost around 250-300m, that's a reasonable price for using it in pvp.
You fail. The T1 raven can outdamage a golem anytime, if fitted for ganking, as it can fit 2 blasters next to its launchers, which a golem can't.
Blah blah blah noob, try to fit 6 torps + 2 large blasters on a real raven, not on paper, that's impossible without crippeling almost everything. And you forget the tp bonus, that is xtremely usefull with torps.
Win. Someone spent a bunch of money inventing Golems, and realized that the market didn't materialize.
What are (all of) your opinions on Kronos vs. Megathron vs. Domi? Let me know if you win the argument with yourself.
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Liu
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Posted - 2008.01.13 00:30:00 -
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Originally by: Castra Noor
Originally by: Castra Noor
Originally by: Castra Noor The golem will be the ultimate closerange gankage BS if used as torpedo platform combined with target painting. 1 billion ? lol ? Maybe the first day, on the long run golem will cost around 250-300m, that's a reasonable price for using it in pvp.
You fail. The T1 raven can outdamage a golem anytime, if fitted for ganking, as it can fit 2 blasters next to its launchers, which a golem can't.
Blah blah blah noob, try to fit 6 torps + 2 large blasters on a real raven, not on paper, that's impossible without crippeling almost everything. And you forget the tp bonus, that is xtremely usefull with torps.
quoting cause it seems to be the cool thing these days.
Originally by: Apertotes tbh, boot.ini was overpowered and needed a nerf
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Kane Rizzel
NovaKane Incorporated Derek Knows Us
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Posted - 2008.01.14 14:43:00 -
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I'm not gonna quote it... but damn... that was funny.
Originally by: High Sierra note to self: dont ever say anything to anyone on the internet about anything ever again.
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Chrysalis D'lilth
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Posted - 2008.01.14 14:55:00 -
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Does the weakness to ECM make that much of a difference? I mean if you come up against an ECM ship in a Golem or a Raven - aren't you gonna get jammed regardless? in my experience a raven gets jammed pretty easy anyway.
Also, the golem has a much stronger tank, can fit 4x100% torps and also has 4 slots left, so could add a few Neuts as well - to me, that gives it some defense against tacklers and a good ability to keep its damage while depleting its opponents cap.
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