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Ya Huei
Imperial Collective
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Posted - 2011.09.06 13:46:00 -
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Sorry... I just couldnt resist making this the first topic here :P |

Noriko Mai
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Posted - 2011.09.06 14:09:00 -
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AFK Cloaking ist a wonderful thing |

Domin Mitauchi
NOMAD. Warped Aggression
0
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Posted - 2011.09.06 14:25:00 -
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So how win will be afk cloaking once they remove local?!! :) |

Kaelie Onren
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.09.06 14:42:00 -
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AFK cloaking is the best. |

Rabbitgod
Beyond Divinity Inc Excuses.
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Posted - 2011.09.06 14:46:00 -
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AFK CLOAKING FOR CEO!!!111!eleven |

Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
7
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Posted - 2011.09.06 14:54:00 -
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Never stop AFK cloaking |

Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
20
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Posted - 2011.09.06 17:32:00 -
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What wrong with it.  |

Tethys Atreides
The Audacity of Huge
26
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Posted - 2011.09.06 18:08:00 -
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If they are AFK they can do NOTHING to harm you. |

Bienator II
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
124
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Posted - 2011.09.06 18:23:00 -
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how can I cloak without touching the keyboard? Please help I am stuck. rocket science is kindergarden. Thats serious spaceship business! |

Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
7
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Posted - 2011.09.06 18:55:00 -
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Bienator II wrote:how can I cloak without touching the keyboard? Please help I am stuck.
Use the mouse |

Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
34
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Posted - 2011.09.06 19:49:00 -
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Domin Mitauchi wrote:So how win will be afk cloaking once they remove local?!! :)
Someone afk cloaked in a wormhole once. Noone cared. Six months in the hole... it changes a man. |

Ayanaya
Apple Industries Inc.
0
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Posted - 2011.09.06 20:59:00 -
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Ya Huei wrote:Sorry... I just couldnt resist making this the first topic here :P
Seems to still work. I recommend nerfing it such that one can only cloak when FKA.
-a |

FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
34
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Posted - 2011.09.06 22:13:00 -
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To get a serious rebuttal in early:
If you "fix" afk cloaking, they'll just use a macro to stay cloaked. If you prevent that, they'll make a dozen safe spot bookmarks and run a macro to warp between them 23 hours a day. if you're that afraid of a low-skill alt idling in your system, they will ALWAYS be able to get you to keep your head down.
Those of us who have spent a lot of time in wormholes aren't accustomed to the luxury of knowing who is in system, and continue to do our work without that sense of security some people seem to need. And we can carry on for months without being ganked...because we learned to be safe without the crutch of local.
No, I'm not advocating for nullsec's local to be removed. I'm fine with it being there. I just want the people who really do seriously whine about afk cloaking to get a reality check and understand how good they have it with their sovereignty and their local channel. |

Yvan Ratamnim
Phoenix Evolved Part Duo
12
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Posted - 2011.09.07 04:17:00 -
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The problem is that AFK cloakers once there in system are almost impossible to catch unless there idiots no way to scan them down no matter how good your skills, no timer that runs there cloak out, or cloak cool down, its just click and step away and cause annoyance for locals,
IF IT IS MY SYSTEM shouldnt my sov have some form of intel upgrade or station ping to uncover said AFK cloakers or atleast make it possible with enough skilled pilots. |

El'Niaga
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
40
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Posted - 2011.09.07 08:09:00 -
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The only thing we really need is a module, missile, or bomb that when cycle releases a tachyon burst that decloaks targets within its area of effect. In games I'm not so big on things that don't have counters, and the cloak currently fits that in EVE. |

Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
34
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Posted - 2011.09.07 11:55:00 -
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Yvan Ratamnim wrote:The problem is that AFK cloakers once there in system are almost impossible to catch unless there idiots no way to scan them down no matter how good your skills, no timer that runs there cloak out, or cloak cool down, its just click and step away and cause annoyance for locals,
IF IT IS MY SYSTEM shouldnt my sov have some form of intel upgrade or station ping to uncover said AFK cloakers or atleast make it possible with enough skilled pilots.
Pro-tip...
It isn't your system.
Cloakers have counters. They're called "balls". Be alert, go about your business. Bring a friend. Use DScan and keep your eys open. Want to afk while mining? Too effing bad. You're doing it wrong and deserve to get popped.
Damned whining kids wouldn't last ten minutes in a hole. In my days we didn't even have DScan. You had a buddy sit on the front of your ship with a pair of binoculars AND WE LIKED IT! Six months in the hole... it changes a man. |

Eperor
Skyforger Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2011.09.07 12:35:00 -
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Ingvar Angst wrote:Yvan Ratamnim wrote:The problem is that AFK cloakers once there in system are almost impossible to catch unless there idiots no way to scan them down no matter how good your skills, no timer that runs there cloak out, or cloak cool down, its just click and step away and cause annoyance for locals,
IF IT IS MY SYSTEM shouldnt my sov have some form of intel upgrade or station ping to uncover said AFK cloakers or atleast make it possible with enough skilled pilots. Pro-tip... It isn't your system. Cloakers have counters. They're called "balls". Be alert, go about your business. Bring a friend. Use DScan and keep your eys open. Want to afk while mining? Too effing bad. You're doing it wrong and deserve to get popped. Damned whining kids wouldn't last ten minutes in a hole. In my days we didn't even have DScan. You had a buddy sit on the front of your ship with a pair of binoculars AND WE LIKED IT!
yes yes and ligts a cyno and there 60 recons and SB apears near you :) then wath your 1 bilj ship gos boom and your frend ****** in ass, wil never come again help you :) In this case your tip its junk noting els. |

Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
34
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Posted - 2011.09.07 12:55:00 -
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Eperor wrote:Ingvar Angst wrote:Yvan Ratamnim wrote:The problem is that AFK cloakers once there in system are almost impossible to catch unless there idiots no way to scan them down no matter how good your skills, no timer that runs there cloak out, or cloak cool down, its just click and step away and cause annoyance for locals,
IF IT IS MY SYSTEM shouldnt my sov have some form of intel upgrade or station ping to uncover said AFK cloakers or atleast make it possible with enough skilled pilots. Pro-tip... It isn't your system. Cloakers have counters. They're called "balls". Be alert, go about your business. Bring a friend. Use DScan and keep your eys open. Want to afk while mining? Too effing bad. You're doing it wrong and deserve to get popped. Damned whining kids wouldn't last ten minutes in a hole. In my days we didn't even have DScan. You had a buddy sit on the front of your ship with a pair of binoculars AND WE LIKED IT! yes yes and ligts a cyno and there 60 recons and SB apears near you :) then wath your 1 bilj ship gos boom and your frend ****** in ass, wil never come again help you :) In this case your tip its junk noting els.
So the cloaker wasn't afk after all? Six months in the hole... it changes a man. |

Sphit Ker
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
3
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Posted - 2011.09.07 13:29:00 -
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Circular logic works because circular logic works. |

Eperor
Skyforger Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2011.09.08 09:03:00 -
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Ingvar Angst wrote:Eperor wrote:Ingvar Angst wrote:Yvan Ratamnim wrote:The problem is that AFK cloakers once there in system are almost impossible to catch unless there idiots no way to scan them down no matter how good your skills, no timer that runs there cloak out, or cloak cool down, its just click and step away and cause annoyance for locals,
IF IT IS MY SYSTEM shouldnt my sov have some form of intel upgrade or station ping to uncover said AFK cloakers or atleast make it possible with enough skilled pilots. Pro-tip... It isn't your system. Cloakers have counters. They're called "balls". Be alert, go about your business. Bring a friend. Use DScan and keep your eys open. Want to afk while mining? Too effing bad. You're doing it wrong and deserve to get popped. Damned whining kids wouldn't last ten minutes in a hole. In my days we didn't even have DScan. You had a buddy sit on the front of your ship with a pair of binoculars AND WE LIKED IT! yes yes and ligts a cyno and there 60 recons and SB apears near you :) then wath your 1 bilj ship gos boom and your frend ****** in ass, wil never come again help you :) In this case your tip its junk noting els. So the cloaker wasn't afk after all?
IF count heer was afk after siting in system like 2 weeks witout even not login in DT out seems to me that was bot. that counts as afk if he is 90% afk then on his PC. |

Kaelie Onren
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.09.08 11:20:00 -
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Non sarcastic solution:
EVERY ship in a system that's isn't using an active module (cloaks don't count towards this) That isn't moving That isn't chatting on local DISSAPPEARS from local after 15m
Problem solved
Maybe this is the upcoming changes to local in the works and I'm just profetic.
But what about bots used to stay on local used by afk cloakers you ask? Well botting is bannable. And if miners can bot then why not afk cloakers. If either gets caught they get banned.
Oh let's make this only in systems in null sec. |

WisdomLikeSilence
The Cursed Navy Important Internet Spaceship League
47
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Posted - 2011.09.08 12:02:00 -
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People who spend 23 hours cloaked in a system hoping to hotdrop are not making very good use of their time.
But like in politics, not every problem needs new legislation. If this does need a fix, the fix is simple, make the cloaking module consume charges. Big assed charges like cap boosters.
HIGH HO SILVER! AWAAAAAAAY!
. |

Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
100
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Posted - 2011.09.08 12:04:00 -
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Why shouldn't you be able to afk cloak?
Usually this is because people want to be able to harvest isk in peace without bad people putting you on edge. You want it safe so you can mine, rat, or run anomalies. You don't want to have to worry about checking your scanner or split your profits by doing these actions in a fleet or mine with protection.
If you take even the simplest of precautions you can render afk cloakers completely ineffective, but people just don't want to do that.
It's a legit playstyle and already has an effective counter. |

Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
34
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Posted - 2011.09.08 13:18:00 -
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Eperor wrote:IF count heer was afk after siting in system like 2 weeks witout even not login in DT out seems to me that was bot. that counts as afk if he is 90% afk then on his PC.
I can, in all honesty, say that I have no idea what the hell you just said.
Look, the "solution" (like one's actually needed) to afk cloaking is simple. Well, the "solution" is to be aware etc. However, a change they could make to eliminate the complaints about afk cloaking are simple in concept.
1. When you cloak, you disappear from local. 2. When you cloak, you also can't use local. Your cloak cuts you off in both directions. Intel gathering would need to be done actively, with probes, dscan or simply looking around. 3. To prevent cyno abuse, when you uncloak put a delay on being able to light a cyno. 15, 30, 60 seconds... something balanced.
This would give cloaks more of a true meaning, where you're actually hidden fully. It would also put the intel gathering into "manual" mode instead of simply scanning local to see who's there. It would also add to the sport for cloaked hunters... they could be more stealthy in finding and engaging targets. However, it helps the prey by at least removing the threat of an immediate super-drop on their heads. Six months in the hole... it changes a man. |

Laechyd Eldgorn
draketrain
1
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Posted - 2011.09.08 13:48:00 -
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as long as there is stations/POS's there should be also afk cloaking. Station and POS owners have advantage over cloakers. Actually, I'd say do not allow fitting ships in stations and POS's only capital ships.
i think enough said.
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Jacob Menard
Pure Evil Warriors The Devil's Warrior Alliance
5
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Posted - 2011.09.08 16:59:00 -
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The only place I see potential for this is null sec. But it needs balance. The balance would be that neither the people holding sov could cloak, nor others in the system. Introduce the "System wide anti-cloaking field", like the cyno jammer. |

Kaelie Onren
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.09.08 23:30:00 -
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With my solution, afk cloaker or heck a regular non cloaker going afk disappears off local. False peace of mind for carebears achieved. Check. Afker moves or uses a module, shows up on local and scares miners away, effective dos attack which cloakers currently enjoy achieved. Check.
Everyone gets what they want. No adverse side effects to other cloaking ships like other suggestions to use cloak fuel seem to ignore. |

Eperor
Skyforger Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2011.09.09 09:49:00 -
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Kaelie Onren wrote:Non sarcastic solution:
EVERY ship in a system that's isn't using an active module (cloaks don't count towards this) That isn't moving That isn't chatting on local DISSAPPEARS from local after 15m
Problem solved
Maybe this is the upcoming changes to local in the works and I'm just profetic.
But what about bots used to stay on local used by afk cloakers you ask? Well botting is bannable. And if miners can bot then why not afk cloakers. If either gets caught they get banned.
Oh let's make this only in systems in null sec.
And when hee apiers neerebly you than ups sorry game mechanics. no way that needet,, hee nedet to be forced log off if not play. |

Eperor
Skyforger Tactical Narcotics Team
2
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Posted - 2011.09.09 09:59:00 -
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Vile rat wrote:Why shouldn't you be able to afk cloak?
Usually this is because people want to be able to harvest isk in peace without bad people putting you on edge. You want it safe so you can mine, rat, or run anomalies. You don't want to have to worry about checking your scanner or split your profits by doing these actions in a fleet or mine with protection.
If you take even the simplest of precautions you can render afk cloakers completely ineffective, but people just don't want to do that.
It's a legit playstyle and already has an effective counter.
for short amount off tiem its okey buit fior days and months not okey at all and there is no countre mesures agens cloucked ships if didint know you cant see them in scaner if they warping to you they warping cloucked so this argumet of so to say legit mechenics not works then ned remove all cov ops clocucks thet chips can warp only visible. but that was not proposal.. |

Eperor
Skyforger Tactical Narcotics Team
2
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Posted - 2011.09.09 10:05:00 -
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Ingvar Angst wrote:Eperor wrote:IF count heer was afk after siting in system like 2 weeks witout even not login in DT out seems to me that was bot. that counts as afk if he is 90% afk then on his PC. I can, in all honesty, say that I have no idea what the hell you just said. Look, the "solution" (like one's actually needed) to afk cloaking is simple. Well, the "solution" is to be aware etc. However, a change they could make to eliminate the complaints about afk cloaking are simple in concept. 1. When you cloak, you disappear from local. 2. When you cloak, you also can't use local. Your cloak cuts you off in both directions. Intel gathering would need to be done actively, with probes, dscan or simply looking around. 3. To prevent cyno abuse, when you uncloak put a delay on being able to light a cyno. 15, 30, 60 seconds... something balanced. This would give cloaks more of a true meaning, where you're actually hidden fully. It would also put the intel gathering into "manual" mode instead of simply scanning local to see who's there. It would also add to the sport for cloaked hunters... they could be more stealthy in finding and engaging targets. However, it helps the prey by at least removing the threat of an immediate super-drop on their heads.
and there need to be one ading if he tuches eny buton warp or wath eve he apears in local again in local and cant move 1 minet, than this can work. |
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