how can I cloak without touching the keyboard? Please help I am stuck.

So how win will be afk cloaking once they remove local?!! :)

Sorry... I just couldnt resist making this the first topic here :P

The problem is that AFK cloakers once there in system are almost impossible to catch unless there idiots no way to scan them down no matter how good your skills, no timer that runs there cloak out, or cloak cool down, its just click and step away and cause annoyance for locals,

IF IT IS MY SYSTEM shouldnt my sov have some form of intel upgrade or station ping to uncover said AFK cloakers or atleast make it possible with enough skilled pilots.

Pro-tip...

It isn't your system.

Cloakers have counters. They're called "balls". Be alert, go about your business. Bring a friend. Use DScan and keep your eys open. Want to afk while mining? Too effing bad. You're doing it wrong and deserve to get popped.

Damned whining kids wouldn't last ten minutes in a hole. In my days we didn't even have DScan. You had a buddy sit on the front of your ship with a pair of binoculars AND WE LIKED IT!

yes yes and ligts a cyno and there 60 recons and SB apears near you :) then wath your 1 bilj ship gos boom and your frend ****** in ass, wil never come again help you :) In this case your tip its junk noting els.

POW!

So the cloaker wasn't afk after all?

IF count heer was afk after siting in system like 2 weeks witout even not login in DT out seems to me that was bot. that counts as afk if he is 90% afk then on his PC.

Non sarcastic solution:

EVERY ship in a system that's isn't using an active module (cloaks don't count towards this)
That isn't moving
That isn't chatting on local
DISSAPPEARS from local after 15m

Problem solved

Maybe this is the upcoming changes to local in the works and I'm just profetic.

But what about bots used to stay on local used by afk cloakers you ask?
Well botting is bannable. And if miners can bot then why not afk cloakers. If either gets caught they get banned.

Oh let's make this only in systems in null sec.

Why shouldn't you be able to afk cloak?

Usually this is because people want to be able to harvest isk in peace without bad people putting you on edge. You want it safe so you can mine, rat, or run anomalies. You don't want to have to worry about checking your scanner or split your profits by doing these actions in a fleet or mine with protection.

If you take even the simplest of precautions you can render afk cloakers completely ineffective, but people just don't want to do that.

It's a legit playstyle and already has an effective counter.

I can, in all honesty, say that I have no idea what the hell you just said.


Look, the "solution" (like one's actually needed) to afk cloaking is simple. Well, the "solution" is to be aware etc. However, a change they could make to eliminate the complaints about afk cloaking are simple in concept.

1. When you cloak, you disappear from local.
2. When you cloak, you also can't use local. Your cloak cuts you off in both directions. Intel gathering would need to be done actively, with probes, dscan or simply looking around.
3. To prevent cyno abuse, when you uncloak put a delay on being able to light a cyno. 15, 30, 60 seconds... something balanced.

This would give cloaks more of a true meaning, where you're actually hidden fully. It would also put the intel gathering into "manual" mode instead of simply scanning local to see who's there. It would also add to the sport for cloaked hunters... they could be more stealthy in finding and engaging targets. However, it helps the prey by at least removing the threat of an immediate super-drop on their heads.

The only place I see potential for this is null sec. But it needs balance. The balance would be that neither the people holding sov could cloak, nor others in the system. Introduce the "System wide anti-cloaking field", like the cyno jammer.

And when hee apiers neerebly you than ups sorry game mechanics. no way that needet,, hee nedet to be forced log off if not play.

The old philosophical question:
If a cloaker is afk in a system, does he still make little children scared?

Can you please use spell check or google translate?

Anyway, I'm guessing you mean bots. Botting is not a cloaking problem it's a banning problem. Handled separately.

m8 i not scared i manged to kil some off them with my pvp alt and when they trued to return to systme kiled them again. i jsut wish mechanics that i can kil them noting els. that he cant sit al the time in our sytems and getign intels and sdisturb industrialsit from working, That to easy get in sytems and wait u ntil you have tright moment and strike, that can be days months or weeks need put on them more presure that they to have some limitations.

Actualy that wuld be fareast ting sov holder need to have some advanted agens tacker. that he can use active defences not pasive like agest afk cloukers.

The only thing we really need is a module, missile, or bomb that when cycle releases a tachyon burst that decloaks targets within its area of effect. In games I'm not so big on things that don't have counters, and the cloak currently fits that in EVE.

yes yes and ligts a cyno and there 60 recons and SB apears near you :) then wath your 1 bilj ship gos boom and your frend ****** in ass, wil never come again help you :) In this case your tip its junk noting els.

IF count heer was afk after siting in system like 2 weeks witout even not login in DT out seems to me that was bot. that counts as afk if he is 90% afk then on his PC.

They do, the cyno jammer, they cant hot drop their caps and super caps in system. Of course, you cant bring in reinforcements that way either, but hopefully, if you have a station in system, you have the resources there to defend it as well.

Something to keep in mind... they're not your systems. Sure, you may have the dominant force in there. You may have sov, upgrades, etc. However, you don't own the system. At best you currently control it. If someone else comes in and decides to afk cloak, tough crap... they have as much right to be in that system as you do. Due to numbers, sov etc. you can do more... that's the benefits of having control. However, he's as entitled as anyone else to be there, even if it's cloaked, sometimes afk and sometimes gathering intel.

Just because you have control in the system don't think you're entitled to fluffy pillows and bunnies in space. You still need the balls to maintain your influence and control. If that one guy cloaked in there somewhere shakes your entire system's operations then perhaps you're not as ready to control it as you think.

Cloak self-counters: all you can do while cloaked is observe. Dropping cloak to do anything at all makes you detectable.



So your problem isn't one person afk cloaking in system, but the sudden appearance of a 60-man blops fleet. When local suddenly spikes up 60 people, it doesn't matter whether they came in via cyno or gate, you do the same thing: get to your POS and keep your head down.

There's nothing an afk cloaker can do to you that someone bouncing safe spots or simply logging off in space and coming back later can't do. It sounds to me like you just want to be able to rat and mine risk-free. That's what highsec is for.

Hunting Cloakies

Kind of a proposal for a new mini profession.
Skill: Cloaking counter measures
Items: Huntingprobes, Tachyon Emitter

Description:
Huntingprobes can lokate hidden ships with a deviation of about 200 km (or off grid max)
Tachyon Emitter locates cloaked ships on grid. Mechanics described below.

Once you tracked down the cloaked ship (whether the player is afk or not doesn't matter) you can warp in on him (with your friends) and will land somewhere
near his last location. if he is not afk he will warp away as soon as you arrive at grid. Maybe you can catch him with bubbles.

Arrived at the location where he should be you activate your tachyon emitter modul. This will send out an circular puls (or sphere if you want to think in 3D)
(like ecm burst or SB) and will reveal you the location of the cloaked ship. Depending on the distance (and ship type) to you this info is more or less accurate
and point you in a new direction to fly to. Getting clother to the target will increase accuracy of your scan until you found it.
Multiplayer addition: if multiple ships on the grid have this tachyon emitter installed and use it simultaniously the information of all ships will be combined
and narrow down the location of the target. if all the ships stand on same spot (or cloth together) there will be not much profit but if the spread out in different
directions flying in a line with 30km between each other the common result will triangulate the signals and display it to everyone who scanned. (maybe this link
should be limited to fleet since you would help your enemy finding yours while hunting his cloakies ;-))

Further more it should make a difference if the ship is flying or standing. A standing ship can reduce its emission to near zero so it will be harder to detect.
Flying will increase emission and results in greater accuracy of the scans/tachyons.
It also depends on the ship you are hunting. A little stealth bomber is much harder to detect than a cloaked mothership right?

Maybe this brings space for a new ship type like a counter recon vessel.

some constructive criticism or additional thoughts are appreciated.


It is quit interessting how many people are that intelligent to know that a cloaky who attacks someone isn't afk. guys, you are greate thinkers ;-)

Why shouldn't you be able to afk cloak?

Usually this is because people want to be able to harvest isk in peace without bad people putting you on edge. You want it safe so you can mine, rat, or run anomalies. You don't want to have to worry about checking your scanner or split your profits by doing these actions in a fleet or mine with protection.

If you take even the simplest of precautions you can render afk cloakers completely ineffective, but people just don't want to do that.

It's a legit playstyle and already has an effective counter.

There is a problem if someone afk cloaks in a complex or whatever so it cannot despawn till downtime, that is a pathetic thing to do.

There is currently no way of finding them as they could be anywhere.

Seems that people still miss the point that (AFK) cloakers may not be completely idle (that's why I put "AFK" in brackets) but still can log the comings and goings in a system, people, ship types, cartograph a whole system, make safespots if local drops empty or everyone present is docked...

All of that without any risk of being discovered, thus contradicting their often-used phrase "nothing is risk-free" on their own.

Which is a 'GENERAL' rule (note the quotes) that is superceded countless times by CCP and CSM stating that cloaking is working AS DESIGNED.

Cloakers CAN and are ALLOWED to do those things risk free.
The only issue here is that it AFKers keep system citizens on edge without any effort, so the Local Chat timeout when not active solves everything, while maintaining the intended usage of cloak as a espionage and psyop weapon (when the user is active)

Hunting Cloakies

Kind of a proposal for a new mini profession.
Skill: Cloaking counter measures
Items: Huntingprobes, Tachyon Emitter

Description:
Huntingprobes can lokate hidden ships with a deviation of about 200 km (or off grid max)
Tachyon Emitter locates cloaked ships on grid. Mechanics described below.

It is quit interessting how many people are that intelligent to know that a cloaky who attacks someone isn't afk. guys, you are greate thinkers ;-)

Seems that people still miss the point that (AFK) cloakers may not be completely idle (that's why I put "AFK" in brackets) but still can log the comings and goings in a system, people, ship types, cartograph a whole system, make safespots if local drops empty or everyone present is docked...

All of that without any risk of being discovered...

There is a problem if someone afk cloaks in a complex or whatever so it cannot despawn till downtime, that is a pathetic thing to do.

There is currently no way of finding them as they could be anywhere.

This is different I think and if true (I haven't experimented with the mechanics) should probably be revisited. If you can actively counter me and I have no game mechanic with which to fight back then this is probably deserves some game mechanics tweaking. If it's just a matter of some guy in local hiding so it keeps you on edge, learn to deal with it.

Edit: I want to request a feature for the forums that rejects any post that has fewer that 50% recognizable words

its true i tested my self out if you run lets say sanctum and there enerbly you cloucked shiop sanctum not respawning hee stays there untill that cloucked ship warps away.

Ader ting here is meny posts that smal entatys wiling to live in 0.0 etc. how you see smal entaty pl live ern isk in 0.0 if they have like 2-3 systems with no sanctums at all and best hevens, ant there is clouckers afkers hoo sit in al 3 systems they have no where to go. Some one sad leave system he cant there in second allaince system is again the same, so all allaince gos down or wath? I tink that to easy to break wiling to fight or actyualy no isk to fight with enemy. And you stil wish mechanics for samm alliance to take foot in 0.0, if they will have no posibility to ern eny isk at all. If some one say that no hapens so not true i saa my self that hapening.

I blame hukt of fonix, personally.

If english isn't your native language, use a translator from your native language, and spot check it if you have some level of understanding. If it is, and a spell checker can't help you, go back to fraking school.

If you're just too ignorant to be bothered with proper spelling and grammar, gtfo.

Edited for grammar and spelling

sorry but i thought this game was about tactics and counters, hasn't it been said time and time again by ccp that there should be no "I WIN " button in the game.
for every tactic there is a counter, for every mod there is a counter, for every gameplay style there is a counter. this is true for everything in the game but 1 and thats the cloak. the secound you turn it on YOU WIN because no-one can stop you from that point on. i don't care what the counter is to cloaking but there needs to be one, if it's a fuel bay then fine. if it's a 4 hour mod cycle timer then fine, even if it's a pos mod that takes an hour or 2 to scan the system and finds everything in the system weather cloaked or not then thats fine to. but there MUST BE A COUNTER to the cloak or it is the I WIN button of this game.
to the people who say that people will find ways around it well thats true and you know thats fine 2 as long as there are counters to it.

yes yes and ligts a cyno and there 60 recons and SB apears near you :) then wath your 1 bilj ship gos boom and your frend ****** in ass, wil never come again help you :) In this case your tip its junk noting els.

Cloaking in system, disrupting an enemies isk making capacity and killing occasional stupid people is a totally valid tactic and should be welcome within the game.

Cloaking your ship in space, then going to work/bed/out drinking to disrupt enemy isk making isnt and should not be allowed, some mechanic to stop it is needed. There should be NO way to affect other players from getting on with their game unless you are sat at your PC actually playing Eve. You can even log back in after DT using a remote desktop which can be done very easily. This is a massively abused tactic.

Basically, if you arnt actually playing Eve, at your computer, you should not be able to affect what other players are doing, even if it is only psychologically.

Cloaking in system, disrupting an enemies isk making capacity and killing occasional stupid people is a totally valid tactic and should be welcome within the game.

Cloaking your ship in space, then going to work/bed/out drinking to disrupt enemy isk making isnt and should not be allowed, some mechanic to stop it is needed. There should be NO way to affect other players from getting on with their game unless you are sat at your PC actually playing Eve. You can even log back in after DT using a remote desktop which can be done very easily. This is a massively abused tactic.

Basically, if you arnt actually playing Eve, at your computer, you should not be able to affect what other players are doing, even if it is only psychologically.

Seems that people still miss the point that (AFK) cloakers may not be completely idle (that's why I put "AFK" in brackets) but still can log the comings and goings in a system, people, ship types, cartograph a whole system, make safespots if local drops empty or everyone present is docked...

All of that without any risk of being discovered, thus contradicting their often-used phrase "nothing is risk-free" on their own.

So I have to state that again: Make cloaking limited somehow. Be it with countermeasures (ship modules, POS installations, whatever), time or resource limits (cap, fuel, ...) but

cloaking as it is has to be changed!

You've failed to explain how a ship, cloaked, unmoving in space with no one at the keyboard is actually winning anything.

The problem isn't the cloaked ship. The problem is that you're afraid of the pilot you see in local that you don't know and can't find.

While I agree with the statement of the last poster in so far as whiners should just be more combat ready, there IS an psychological effect of having a red in local continuously. Which is the reason why I advocate the timed removal from local for non active cloakers. It makes the difference between having to be combat ready 100% of the time, to just the time when the cloaker decides to activate a module, or decloak, or cyno.

Tbh cloakers in system don't really bother me, I deal with them in the same way I would any other neutral that comes around and that's mainly by ignoring them and getting on with playing the game the way I would if they hadnt been there in the first place.

My problem is the fact that you can go into a system and do something that NO ONE can counter, like I said in my original post I don't care what the counter is as long as there is a counter. You win because no one can do anything to stop you doing anything you want as long as you are cloaked. If that's not winning in this game then plz explain what you would accept as WIN in this game.

A question....

how the #### do you know that cloaker is really there (not afk)?

By your logic.... its a valid tactic...but no one in their right brain would ever "answer" in local if they are there if their soul purpose is to spy.

Hypocritical much?

Seriously people...get over yourselves.... AFK or not...the point is... it wont matter a damn if CCP nerfs local..you'll just ***** about something else.

What I am saying is that if you are afk for long periods, during that period you shouldnt be able to affect what other people do.

The part you're failing to grasp is that the only way they affect what other people do is if you let them affect you.

You know what's really fun? Seeing someone in your wormhole, catching their name and adding it to your contacts and having no idea if they've left your hole or are waiting around hoping for a kill. No local at all to see if they're in your system. We had a stealth bomber hang around like that for a few days... the trick is to not let them keep you from doing what you do but to simply prepare better. You tank a little more, you watch dscan and your overview a little more intently. When running PI, you don't pull up to the planet and park, you come out of warp, immediately initiate warp to the next customs office then you grab/swap your materials out while your ship aligns.

Local has made you weak and your arguments reflect that. 'I can see him! He's spooky! He might kill me while he's afk! Waa!" Grow a pair and counter him. You can easily sneak into a neighboring system to do whatever. You can alter your ship to give you survivability. You can be alert, use dscan, use the ability to have multiple overview tabs, use your friends and allies to work together with.

Cowboy up son. The universe doesn't give a crap if you die or not.

I echo my proposal again, ( which really is a local fix that happens to "fix" aft cloaks too)
All ships off your grid disappears from local after 15min of inactivity. Use of modules (not cloak) make you show up again.
Forces people to toughen up, and adds new cloak tactics. Decloak and show up on local to freak out the locals. Also enforces that you be at the keyboard to engage in this psychological offensive. Blissfully ignorant ratters get to live in their fantasy worlds until you show up with a cyno. Or not. Everyone's interests are served.

Close, but your #2 gimps cloaking as used for legitimate intel gathering. The other 50% of the reasons why people cloak.

And your #1 would make for weird cases where you can see a ship on grid but it's not in local.

My point of having ANY ship go off local once afk wasn't decided randomly. It's intended to allow for the benefit of the doubt so that people would not be able to identify cloakers in system by their blinking in and out of local all the time. Currently any red in system is also not similarity instantly identifiable. If victims knew that the red is a cloaker, then once he pops up in local again, victims will expect a cyno, and prepare or flee, taking away completely the whole tactical surprise advantage of covert ops all together. The primary 50% of the reason why people fly cloakers.

So we can agree to disagree which one is better, but why don't we let the public decide which is the least disruptive to all parties yet makes everyone happy

Local has made you weak and your arguments reflect that. 'I can see him! He's spooky! He might kill me while he's afk! Waa!" Grow a pair and counter him. You can easily sneak into a neighboring system to do whatever. You can alter your ship to give you survivability. You can be alert, use dscan, use the ability to have multiple overview tabs, use your friends and allies to work together with.

(1) ... if you're cloaked you're not visible on the grid anyhow. When you uncloak, you reappear on local and can use local once again.

Sorry, I should have been more clear, what I meant was for the *cloaker*, you would have people in visual, but not on local. This seriously gimps cloakers, besides being weird. Making notes of who comes in and out of systems is a big part of being a covert ops pilot, and a fully intended function of cloaking. This would take that away, or make it much harder, restricting covert ops to only do visual intelligence gathering.

Your #3 I can accept, but I think that having all afkers go off local is a more general fix to local, keeps cloakers more or less anonymous, and why gimp legitamate cloakers even more? It really is just the "afk for days with an alt for the sole purpose of putting ratters on edge" which is the complaint here.

My apologies if I'm not grasping something... how can the cloaker have anyone on visual but not in local? Oh wait, I get it now. Heh... had to type it for it to sink in.

OK, let's think wormholes... this is an everyday thing. We see bad guys visually and there is basically no local. That's how we do our intel... find 'em, fly in cloaked, look at them. Get names, sneak in to a good place to provide a warp in for allies. Trust me, there's nothing odd about it. What's odd for me is seeing all these people in local (when I'm back in empire) and having no idea where they are, but that's because I'm used to it not being there. Believe me, cloaking isn't gimped at all without local around. It awakens the hunter in you. Ship on dscan... ok, where. Check for combat sites, what type of ship does dscan show, check known wormholes if you suspect they're open. Throw out combats out of dscan range. The very thought of local ever appearing in wormholes (not that that's an issue) would effectively ruin a huge positive of them.

Having cloaked vessels disappear from and not have access to local would ultimately enhance cloaking by making covops, for example, much more interactive. You'd have to work a little more for intel, no more so than in wormholes already, plus you could maintain a true element of surprise that the label "covops" implies. You'd really need to spend some significant time without local to truly appreciate the beauty of it's absence.

The immediate disappearance from local of a cloaker imbalances the status quo in my opinion. When coming up with a solution to a problem its usually best to just address it in a way that changes the least amount of other factors.

Currently, a cloaker enjoys anonymity. They cannot be distinguished from other people in a system, as they are just all in local. As you well know, knowledge is worth a lot in EVE. Making cloakers immediately disappear from local when they cloak will make them easily distinguishable from others. (thanks to the MWD cloak procedure when entering systems.)

Having everyone disappear from local after a timeout maintains the anonymity that cloakers now enjoy.

Hi, I love cloaks and afk cloaking! Afk cloaking owns. Never stop making ratters cry.

So, what's the problem...?

Is it the AFK cloakers that are causing these issues? Is it cloaking or is it just AFK in general?

Having people disappear from local when they cloak will not help as you don't know if they logged off or just cloaked up. If I wanted to "play" with your mind I could then do 2 things: log off or cloak which would effectively remove me from local on both occasions thus rendering the argument that I'm in a "cloaky" obsolete. I could cloak up a number of times and then just log off for the rest of the day/night thus making you more paranoid, thinking I have cloaked, am still in your system and ready to hot drop a fleet on you at any moment while all along I'm running incursions on an alt making money 40 jumps away.

If, however, the AFK issue itself is addressed than we might be on the right track. If you go AFK for more than lets say 30 mins you get logged off automagically (that is not a typo, I did that on purpose). This would remove you from local and make you guys who are paranoid about cloakys appearing off your starboard bow a little less paranoid, would it not? Oh, no it wouldn't, because the ones that are still there in local....well, they might not be AFK after all.....

The same could go for stations also seeing as I could have my corp/alliance all log in and sit in a station all day while being afk thus giving you the impression that it's not a good idea to hang around due to the fact that you might get blobbed by all us AFK'ers.

However, setting an auto logout for being AFK will effect all you AFK miners out there and we can't have that now can we...

My opinion is play cautiously, if you don't want to risk it then don't be out there. Expect the unexpected as it will happen and when it does just be ready to GTFO as fast as possible. If that won't work...bring some back up or even better:

have your clone up to date!

So, what's the problem...?

Is it the AFK cloakers that are causing these issues? Is it cloaking or is it just AFK in general?

Having people disappear from local when they cloak will not help as you don't know if they logged off or just cloaked up...

my problem with AFK cloaking?

Afk cloakey is left to be AFK, while the owner focuses on his main character, which is PVPing elsewhere, ratting, in a wormhole, basicly doing whatever he/she wants to do at the time.

With dualscreens, or simply tabbing to the afk cloakey character at regualr invervals to check local chat

Again - they're not using the afkcloak for anything other than glancing at the screen every now and then,

they're flying around having a blast doing missions etc on another account, therefor the clien that hast the character thats cloaked - is afk and not being used for the mostpart.

coupling of the afk cloaker with hotdrops hasnt been discussed.

my problem with AFK cloaking?


It's killing fleet fights, is currently un-counterable, and its forcing a shift of gameplay that REQUIRES you to have a second account if you want to "peeveepee" in 0.0


What is becoming an ever increasing "standard" - is that players should have alt accounts which have a Cloakey Covops, and Covert cyno generator. Owner of the player moves the chararacter to system X, his mates, whom also have cloakey alts set them up in system Y, Z, and A - meaning that over 50% of the constelation has an afk cloakey with covert cyno capabilities.



Afk cloakey is left to be AFK, while the owner focuses on his main character, which is PVPing elsewhere, ratting, in a wormhole, basicly doing whatever he/she wants to do at the time.



With dualscreens, or simply tabbing to the afk cloakey character at regualr invervals to check local chat, and Dscan looking for easy targets. If the people in the system move to another system, no problems, you're mates probably jsut told you as they noticed local spike on their afk cloakey.


When a target presents itself, 1 minute later theres 30-50 people in system, their targets dead, and they're allready in warp towards the exit, as they know the path back to their blackops pilot is clear as they have their other afk cloakeys in the next adjacent systems.




honestly - what can you do to counter that?


How is this a good fight, or fun for anyone other than the turkey laughing manicly as he lights the cyno, and the fleet that jumps in to kill stuff they KNOW they have absolutely no chance of being able to survive, or pick off any of their crew, as they essentialy pick and choose all their fights.

How can one counter this without having double their numbers in system 23/7 waiting for them to strike? which is not a viable solution.

AFK Cloaking needs to be looked at unless you want "fleet fights" in 0.0 to be replaced in their entirity with blobs, supercapblobs and hotdrops. Because at current, why would you go out with 20-50 people roaming around looking for a fight when everyone else just hotdrops onto you, or onto other targets. Its too easy, and provides too much safety to the attackers in regards of the people doing it never having too initiate a fight that they are not certain that they will win, even more so if they are operating from a 0.0 NPC station, which in effect makes them un-evictable.

If it's AFK... Just ignore him?

Circular logic works because circular logic works.

Stay on topic. This thread is obviously now about Necromancers.

It sounds like most of the complaining is about hot drops, which are honestly kind of cheap.

Why not let the cyno jammer also block covops cynos?

Because the whole point of the covert cyno is to bypass cyno jammers you dumb ****.

But the whole purpose of cyno jammers is to jam cynos! Good God we are caught in an endless loop of dumb ****ery!

Uh oh the two of us better post as our alts in noobcorps so we don't look like idiots on our main accounts!

Actually the point of covert cynos is to jump in a very specific type of subcap without needing to buy a titan. Also covert cynos don't pop up on everyone's overview which makes them .... you know .... covert.

Only real solution I can think of is giving cloaks a fuel bay that can only be filled in stations or ship maintenance bays. The AFK cloaking will likely be addressed someday, but I wouldn't count on it being soon. Seriously, rat in fleets and run different anom's at the same time if your that concerned about Cloaky McAFK. Sure someone is losing some ISK/hr and another is gaining, but why are you in 0.0 with other people if your not willing to play the game with them.