Edit: I want to request a feature for the forums that rejects any post that has fewer that 50% recognizable words

its true i tested my self out if you run lets say sanctum and there enerbly you cloucked shiop sanctum not respawning hee stays there untill that cloucked ship warps away.

Ader ting here is meny posts that smal entatys wiling to live in 0.0 etc. how you see smal entaty pl live ern isk in 0.0 if they have like 2-3 systems with no sanctums at all and best hevens, ant there is clouckers afkers hoo sit in al 3 systems they have no where to go. Some one sad leave system he cant there in second allaince system is again the same, so all allaince gos down or wath? I tink that to easy to break wiling to fight or actyualy no isk to fight with enemy. And you stil wish mechanics for samm alliance to take foot in 0.0, if they will have no posibility to ern eny isk at all. If some one say that no hapens so not true i saa my self that hapening.

I blame hukt of fonix, personally.

If english isn't your native language, use a translator from your native language, and spot check it if you have some level of understanding. If it is, and a spell checker can't help you, go back to fraking school.

If you're just too ignorant to be bothered with proper spelling and grammar, gtfo.

Edited for grammar and spelling

sorry but i thought this game was about tactics and counters, hasn't it been said time and time again by ccp that there should be no "I WIN " button in the game.
for every tactic there is a counter, for every mod there is a counter, for every gameplay style there is a counter. this is true for everything in the game but 1 and thats the cloak. the secound you turn it on YOU WIN because no-one can stop you from that point on. i don't care what the counter is to cloaking but there needs to be one, if it's a fuel bay then fine. if it's a 4 hour mod cycle timer then fine, even if it's a pos mod that takes an hour or 2 to scan the system and finds everything in the system weather cloaked or not then thats fine to. but there MUST BE A COUNTER to the cloak or it is the I WIN button of this game.
to the people who say that people will find ways around it well thats true and you know thats fine 2 as long as there are counters to it.

yes yes and ligts a cyno and there 60 recons and SB apears near you :) then wath your 1 bilj ship gos boom and your frend ****** in ass, wil never come again help you :) In this case your tip its junk noting els.

Cloaking in system, disrupting an enemies isk making capacity and killing occasional stupid people is a totally valid tactic and should be welcome within the game.

Cloaking your ship in space, then going to work/bed/out drinking to disrupt enemy isk making isnt and should not be allowed, some mechanic to stop it is needed. There should be NO way to affect other players from getting on with their game unless you are sat at your PC actually playing Eve. You can even log back in after DT using a remote desktop which can be done very easily. This is a massively abused tactic.

Basically, if you arnt actually playing Eve, at your computer, you should not be able to affect what other players are doing, even if it is only psychologically.

Cloaking in system, disrupting an enemies isk making capacity and killing occasional stupid people is a totally valid tactic and should be welcome within the game.

Cloaking your ship in space, then going to work/bed/out drinking to disrupt enemy isk making isnt and should not be allowed, some mechanic to stop it is needed. There should be NO way to affect other players from getting on with their game unless you are sat at your PC actually playing Eve. You can even log back in after DT using a remote desktop which can be done very easily. This is a massively abused tactic.

Basically, if you arnt actually playing Eve, at your computer, you should not be able to affect what other players are doing, even if it is only psychologically.

Seems that people still miss the point that (AFK) cloakers may not be completely idle (that's why I put "AFK" in brackets) but still can log the comings and goings in a system, people, ship types, cartograph a whole system, make safespots if local drops empty or everyone present is docked...

All of that without any risk of being discovered, thus contradicting their often-used phrase "nothing is risk-free" on their own.

So I have to state that again: Make cloaking limited somehow. Be it with countermeasures (ship modules, POS installations, whatever), time or resource limits (cap, fuel, ...) but

cloaking as it is has to be changed!

You've failed to explain how a ship, cloaked, unmoving in space with no one at the keyboard is actually winning anything.

The problem isn't the cloaked ship. The problem is that you're afraid of the pilot you see in local that you don't know and can't find.

While I agree with the statement of the last poster in so far as whiners should just be more combat ready, there IS an psychological effect of having a red in local continuously. Which is the reason why I advocate the timed removal from local for non active cloakers. It makes the difference between having to be combat ready 100% of the time, to just the time when the cloaker decides to activate a module, or decloak, or cyno.

Tbh cloakers in system don't really bother me, I deal with them in the same way I would any other neutral that comes around and that's mainly by ignoring them and getting on with playing the game the way I would if they hadnt been there in the first place.

My problem is the fact that you can go into a system and do something that NO ONE can counter, like I said in my original post I don't care what the counter is as long as there is a counter. You win because no one can do anything to stop you doing anything you want as long as you are cloaked. If that's not winning in this game then plz explain what you would accept as WIN in this game.

A question....

how the #### do you know that cloaker is really there (not afk)?

By your logic.... its a valid tactic...but no one in their right brain would ever "answer" in local if they are there if their soul purpose is to spy.

Hypocritical much?

Seriously people...get over yourselves.... AFK or not...the point is... it wont matter a damn if CCP nerfs local..you'll just ***** about something else.

What I am saying is that if you are afk for long periods, during that period you shouldnt be able to affect what other people do.

The part you're failing to grasp is that the only way they affect what other people do is if you let them affect you.

You know what's really fun? Seeing someone in your wormhole, catching their name and adding it to your contacts and having no idea if they've left your hole or are waiting around hoping for a kill. No local at all to see if they're in your system. We had a stealth bomber hang around like that for a few days... the trick is to not let them keep you from doing what you do but to simply prepare better. You tank a little more, you watch dscan and your overview a little more intently. When running PI, you don't pull up to the planet and park, you come out of warp, immediately initiate warp to the next customs office then you grab/swap your materials out while your ship aligns.

Local has made you weak and your arguments reflect that. 'I can see him! He's spooky! He might kill me while he's afk! Waa!" Grow a pair and counter him. You can easily sneak into a neighboring system to do whatever. You can alter your ship to give you survivability. You can be alert, use dscan, use the ability to have multiple overview tabs, use your friends and allies to work together with.

Cowboy up son. The universe doesn't give a crap if you die or not.