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theposterofchoice	Posted - 2007.12.03 11:19:00 - [1] Caldari have a clear unfair advantage with the scorpion. It must be brought in line with other races' battleships or the other races should be given their own ship like the Scorpion.
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.03 11:25:00 - [2] Ehm....no? Ecm has been nerfed to hell over time, and AT LAST they get a buff. Disadvantage of ecm ships is that they ALWAYS will be primary (if the fc isnt a moron ofc). And thereby, scorps rely on ecm and maybe a plate or two as a tank (so no tank really) and the damage with a scorp is also crap... In other words, scorps are good as a gang addition but other than that there crap.. Nice hamster! - Mindstar Thanks! We wont touch this sig! - Cortes I lied - Cortes LIAR!
NoNah Tenth Legion Holdings	Posted - 2007.12.03 11:25:00 - [3] And all races need a pve-bs in line with the caldari monster, an ew-frigate and cruiser. A mining Cruiser, a freighter, a recon able to _disable_ several(none caldari) ships. The list can go on and on, right now Caldari excells at just about any given task. That doesnt mean that all good ships are caldari, but caldari got a good ship for just about every given task. Welcome, to caldari-online. Postcount: 133414
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.03 11:28:00 - [4] Originally by: NoNah And all races need a pve-bs in line with the caldari monster, an ew-frigate and cruiser. A mining Cruiser, a freighter, a recon able to _disable_ several(none caldari) ships. The list can go on and on, right now Caldari excells at just about any given task. That doesnt mean that all good ships are caldari, but caldari got a good ship for just about every given task. Welcome, to caldari-online. You are funny Can i have your drugs? Nice hamster! - Mindstar Thanks! We wont touch this sig! - Cortes I lied - Cortes LIAR!
Perry Amarr The X-Trading Company Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.12.03 11:29:00 - [5] No, i like my Turret/Gank, Turret/Cap and Turret/Plate Battleships. If they change one, i wouldnt know how to fit it.
Damned Force	Posted - 2007.12.03 11:29:00 - [6] Yes, and caldari's need speed, and low slot EW modules Don't cry! Adopt u fools
NoNah	Posted - 2007.12.03 11:30:00 - [7] Edited by: NoNah on 03/12/2007 11:30:39 Originally by: arbalesttom Ehm....no? Ecm has been nerfed to hell over time, and AT LAST they get a buff. Disadvantage of ecm ships is that they ALWAYS will be primary (if the fc isnt a moron ofc). And thereby, scorps rely on ecm and maybe a plate or two as a tank (so no tank really) and the damage with a scorp is also crap... In other words, scorps are good as a gang addition but other than that there crap.. Unlike all other EW-ships? That's why Recons are a forgotten class noone uses? Also note that Scorp got one of the strongest tanks in game. It's not to rare to find Scors being nothing but a baitship, without both damage and ew. ECM was indeed, nerfed, for the simple reason EVERYONE used it. However the effect on EW-ships such as the Scorpion, Rook and falcon, were less than 15%. This upcoming patch, will disable RSD's which were the only real alternative, and nerf it even for the gallente celestis and maulus line by more than 40%. The point that something has been changed at one point, does not motivate it being a doommodule today. Originally by: Damned Force Yes, and caldari's need speed, and low slot EW modules Don't cry! Adopt u fools Adopt a caldarian alt I take it? Postcount: 387097
General Coochie New Justice Minuit.	Posted - 2007.12.03 11:31:00 - [8] Give all factions all ships and we can get over all these nerf threads already. Give everyone everything in the game. Or better yet remove all ships from the game except one so we can all play "fair"
Damned Force	Posted - 2007.12.03 11:35:00 - [9] Originally by: General Coochie Give all factions all ships and we can get over all these nerf threads already. Give everyone everything in the game. Or better yet remove all ships from the game except one so we can all play "fair" capsuleblob....omgwtf111
iiOs	Posted - 2007.12.03 11:37:00 - [10]
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.03 11:38:00 - [11] Edited by: arbalesttom on 03/12/2007 11:39:25 Originally by: NoNah Unlike all other EW-ships? That's why Recons are a forgotten class noone uses? Also note that Scorp got one of the strongest tanks in game. It's not to rare to find Scors being nothing but a baitship, without both damage and ew. ECM was indeed, nerfed, for the simple reason EVERYONE used it. However the effect on EW-ships such as the Scorpion, Rook and falcon, were less than 15%. This upcoming patch, will disable RSD's which were the only real alternative, and nerf it even for the gallente celestis and maulus line by more than 40%. The point that something has been changed at one point, does not motivate it being a doommodule today. A tanked scorp is only good for bait, and there are much more ships that are good at it... RDS has been fotm (or better said foty?) for a long time now. Ecm has been obsolete for a long long time as well. This is where the balance comes in. It might be true the new buffs to ecm may be overpowerred, but even then there is a chance you wont jam your target, something you wont have with RSD as an example. In fact, this whole ecmbuff/rdsnerf forces ships like the gallente recons to do what there ment to do, EWAR support and NOT being freaking solo boats (something even a scorpion cant do....). Edit: and no, this patch wont make ecm overpowwered, but it makes it usefull again.. Nice hamster! - Mindstar Thanks! We wont touch this sig! - Cortes I lied - Cortes LIAR!
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services The Acquisition	Posted - 2007.12.03 11:40:00 - [12] WTB: Nos/Neut/TD/drone bonused Apoc with minimum 125m drone bay. =P An Amarr EW battleship would be a force to be reckoned with. A Minmatar web/TP battleship would be underwhelming. A Gallente sensor damping BS...well, it'd pretty much be a weakened scorpion. I think I'm good with things as they are.
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2007.12.03 11:41:00 - [13] Originally by: theposterofchoice Caldari have a clear unfair advantage with the scorpion. It must be brought in line with other races' battleships or the other races should be given their own ship like the Scorpion. oooh I get it, the nerf croud saw they can't nerf ECM drones so now you want to nerf ECM itself. get over it. ECM is balanced. the same thing can't be said about the rest of the Ewar tho... --- planetary interaction idea!
Incantare Caldari Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.12.03 11:42:00 - [14] Edited by: Incantare on 03/12/2007 11:44:31 Gallente have a clear unfair advantage with the dominix. It must be brought in line with other races' battleships or the other races should be given their own drone boats. Whatever, unique doesn't imply imbalanced. And calling a races' ship unfair, well that's a laugh. It's called variety.
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services The Acquisition	Posted - 2007.12.03 11:42:00 - [15] Originally by: arbalesttom It might be true the new buffs to ecm may be overpowerred Originally by: arbalesttom Edit: and no, this patch wont make ecm overpowwered, but it makes it usefull again..
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.03 11:44:00 - [16] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: theposterofchoice Caldari have a clear unfair advantage with the scorpion. It must be brought in line with other races' battleships or the other races should be given their own ship like the Scorpion. oooh I get it, the nerf croud saw they can't nerf ECM drones so now you want to nerf ECM itself. get over it. ECM is balanced. the same thing can't be said about the rest of the Ewar tho... Ehm lol? Ecm is balanced, but the rest of the ewar isnt? Isnt that something you should call unbalanced? Nice hamster! - Mindstar Thanks! We wont touch this sig! - Cortes I lied - Cortes LIAR!
theposterofchoice	Posted - 2007.12.03 11:45:00 - [17] Balance means making all races in eve exactly the same. Innovation should be punished. Nerfs should be dealt out.
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.03 11:45:00 - [18] Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad Originally by: arbalesttom It might be true the new buffs to ecm may be overpowerred Originally by: arbalesttom Edit: and no, this patch wont make ecm overpowwered, but it makes it usefull again.. Read before poast Nice hamster! - Mindstar Thanks! We wont touch this sig! - Cortes I lied - Cortes LIAR!
Car Wars The Coalition Of Buccaneers Mercenary Services	Posted - 2007.12.03 11:45:00 - [19] Originally by: theposterofchoice Caldari have a clear unfair advantage with the scorpion. It must be brought in line with other races' battleships or the other races should be given their own ship like the Scorpion. Who is forcing you NOT to train up for a scorpion......
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services The Acquisition	Posted - 2007.12.03 11:50:00 - [20] Originally by: arbalesttom Edited by: arbalesttom on 03/12/2007 11:47:30 Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad Originally by: arbalesttom It might be true the new buffs to ecm may be overpowerred Originally by: arbalesttom Edit: and no, this patch wont make ecm overpowwered, but it makes it usefull again.. Read before poast It just seems rather odd that you'd include the first statement at all when the second speaks in absolute terms.
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2007.12.03 11:52:00 - [21] Originally by: arbalesttom Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: theposterofchoice Caldari have a clear unfair advantage with the scorpion. It must be brought in line with other races' battleships or the other races should be given their own ship like the Scorpion. oooh I get it, the nerf croud saw they can't nerf ECM drones so now you want to nerf ECM itself. get over it. ECM is balanced. the same thing can't be said about the rest of the Ewar tho... Ehm lol? Ecm is balanced, but the rest of the ewar isnt? Isnt that something you should call unbalanced? ECM as it is, in relation to how to counter it and its effectiveness is balanced. the rest of Ewar is unbalanced, as in "I better fly something other than my TD/TP/RSD ship to do anything marginally good". however, by the way CCP's does things I expect to see ECM nerfed into oblivion, as they did with the overpowered damps and the even more (lol) overpowered tracking disruptors, instead boosting them a bit. --- planetary interaction idea!
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.12.03 11:56:00 - [22] Originally by: theposterofchoice Caldari have a clear unfair advantage with the scorpion. It must be brought in line with other races' battleships or the other races should be given their own ship like the Scorpion. No, it shouldn't. There should be different flavours and so for different races. If you want to fly a scorp, then bloody well train for a scorp, it's not like you're hemmed in by anything, same as caldari pilots have to train for a, say, domi if they want a drone-BS. Rifters!
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.03 11:56:00 - [23] Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad Originally by: arbalesttom Edited by: arbalesttom on 03/12/2007 11:47:30 Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad Originally by: arbalesttom It might be true the new buffs to ecm may be overpowerred Originally by: arbalesttom Edit: and no, this patch wont make ecm overpowwered, but it makes it usefull again.. Read before poast It just seems rather odd that you'd include the first statement at all when the second speaks in absolute terms. Hmmm you got me there i think and i blame heineken for it But yeah, i think you got my point anyway, so dont make it harder for me than it is already to talk 'proper' english.. Nah, all i was trying to make clear is that ecm needed this buff for sure, but who can tell that it is overpowerred.. time will tell i guess. Nice hamster! - Mindstar Thanks! We wont touch this sig! - Cortes I lied - Cortes LIAR!
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.03 12:05:00 - [24] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: arbalesttom Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: theposterofchoice Caldari have a clear unfair advantage with the scorpion. It must be brought in line with other races' battleships or the other races should be given their own ship like the Scorpion. oooh I get it, the nerf croud saw they can't nerf ECM drones so now you want to nerf ECM itself. get over it. ECM is balanced. the same thing can't be said about the rest of the Ewar tho... Ehm lol? Ecm is balanced, but the rest of the ewar isnt? Isnt that something you should call unbalanced? ECM as it is, in relation to how to counter it and its effectiveness is balanced. the rest of Ewar is unbalanced, as in "I better fly something other than my TD/TP/RSD ship to do anything marginally good". however, by the way CCP's does things I expect to see ECM nerfed into oblivion, as they did with the overpowered damps and the even more (lol) overpowered tracking disruptors, instead boosting them a bit. I got your point, was just trolling around I even see the gallente recons will be the perfect anti ecm support ships from now on, because if they stay at a reasonable range they can completely shut down a scorp (or other ecm ship) and have the advantage of being able to dictate range. Also, now that trackingcomps etc will be nerfed, there will be a good possibility trackingdisrupors will become a bit more viable (even after they get nerfed) in fleetbattles, mostly because the trackingcomp-nerf forces bs sniper fleets to be closer to each other and trackingdisruptors will mess around with the (already) horrible tracking on the post-trinity bs fleets. Hell yeah, even painters might become viable! Nice hamster! - Mindstar Thanks! We wont touch this sig! - Cortes I lied - Cortes LIAR!
ChimeraRouge Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.12.03 12:07:00 - [25] damps and tds are now inline with ECM, quit ur whining.
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.12.03 12:11:00 - [26] Edited by: welsh wizard on 03/12/2007 12:11:32 It wasn't overpowered before the RMR nerf on any of the ECM ships. Now its basically as strong as it was with the option of damage mods (no tank) and rigs (less tank still). As far as I'm concerned all thats changed is ECM ships now have the option to fit for ECM damage or tank. ECM is a very large part of the Caldari fighting philosophy anyway, it isnt a part-time thing like the other races ewars, its supposed to be formiddable. This is why the ships that utilise it are completely and utterly hopeless for anything else. Unlike the other races ewar ships. --------------- you all smell!
Deaf Luggage Minmatar The Feminists	Posted - 2007.12.03 12:21:00 - [27] Edited by: Deaf Luggage on 03/12/2007 12:22:00 Only perceptions change, ECM was good and will be, dampeners were good and will be. The changes are marginal for EW ships, it's just that they won't be that effective on non-EW ships, and that's a good thing. The counter to ECM are dampeners. They will still be after Trinity. Get your Lachesis in range. If you can't, learn to play, noob.
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2007.12.03 12:25:00 - [28] Originally by: arbalesttom I got your point, was just trolling around I even see the gallente recons will be the perfect anti ecm support ships from now on, because if they stay at a reasonable range they can completely shut down a scorp (or other ecm ship) and have the advantage of being able to dictate range. Also, now that trackingcomps etc will be nerfed, there will be a good possibility trackingdisrupors will become a bit more viable (even after they get nerfed) in fleetbattles, mostly because the trackingcomp-nerf forces bs sniper fleets to be closer to each other and trackingdisruptors will mess around with the (already) horrible tracking on the post-trinity bs fleets. Hell yeah, even painters might become viable! ...indeed.. now if only TD's or RSD's could hit reliably at 200km range... oh btw, yes the scorp can still jam at that range, and yes, BS'es can still shoot at that range. how? scripts might be a bad addition, but on contrary to what happened to the RSD's, they can still make a megathron shoot at that range, altho with less tracking, and target at that range, altho it will take a bit more time. same goes for the scorp, where you can push it up to jam at 200km with ease. Originally by: ChimeraRouge damps and tds are now inline with ECM, quit ur whining. Of course they were --- planetary interaction idea!
General Coochie New Justice Minuit.	Posted - 2007.12.03 12:58:00 - [29] Originally by: theposterofchoice Balance means making all races in eve exactly the same. Innovation should be punished. Nerfs should be dealt out.
MrRookie Caldari Dark and Light inc. D-L	Posted - 2007.12.03 13:04:00 - [30] "Dominix must be nerfed or give other races Drone battleships!" Sig removed. Please email us at [email protected] if you would like to know why. -Conuion Meow May I have pink next time plz?

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