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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.12.04 08:04:00 -
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Edited by: Plutoinum on 04/12/2007 08:04:16
Originally by: Solomunio Kzenig
1. While the Roqual's original purpose might not be to haul between 0.0 and Empire, i'm betting that it will be used extensively by players for that purpose.
Yes, once I've got the isk, which might take a while, because I'm lazy, I get a rorqual. I don't care about mining much, although I got a industrial alt with freighter and barge skills. He'll get that thing mainly for hauling purposes first.
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Darwinia
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.04 08:20:00 -
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you guys are just going to get the Rorqual nerfed down to carrying only ore in its cargo hold...  ------------------------ I don't believe in sigs. |

Eizana
Amarr Scyanis
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Posted - 2007.12.04 08:26:00 -
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Originally by: arutu dento the roqals purpose is not to do runs between empire and 0.0
yeah that's what you have transport ships in this game for, as well as cloaks and warp core stabs - and if you are heading off to 0.0 you accept the risks - CCP did not make low sec and 0.0 for the purpose of griefing new players and being jerks to them - it's a place where people go when the are ready to take high risks and reap better rewards Originally by: arutu dento -the point of this thread is to point out the obvious pandering to high level players, where as new players are left to fend against unreasonable circumstances -also bare in mind that im a completly industrial player the ships i fly have no mechanisms of any kind to deal with gate campers i do it the old fashioned way.
When my 27 mil sp character travels alone in a hauler I have to use exactly same mechanisms as you to avoid gate camps. Having more sp and playing the game longer does not give me some kind of magical cloak that I can use to avoid all the gate camps. If I want my travels to be safer just like you i'll have to spend a month training up to use transport ships. Just like you I can only use warp core stabs, cloak, and nanos to make my travel safer. Just like you my corp mates aren't going to instantly jump into combat ships and come and break up every game camp for me every time I ask them for help. And operating capital ships requires either teamwork or multiple accounts and a billion ISK investment. So how exactly is it that i'm getting a much better deal while you're facing some completely unreasonable odds and unsurmountable challenges? Originally by: arutu dento sure i could get a carrier roqal jump frieghter fly a shuttle fly with a scout or gang but then i wouldnt be a newbie or in a small corp would i then?
Like I said many vets don't operate cap ships, don't have the isk to, and don't have other people jumping at their very request to scout some pipe or low sec stretch for them. If you're part of a small corp that was your choice - many large corps accept new players. If you're so new that no one will accept you, you don't venture to high risks areas. I can roll a 900K alt, take it to the nearest 0.0 pipe, then come here and complain about game being unfair that I stood no chance against the campers (I can even do it with my 27 mil sp char). And other players would reply to me that those are the rules and I need to learn to play by them or leave the game. Originally by: arutu dento i can tell you what high level players do in this game they pay lower levels to make money for them i know i "work" with one. on what scale is this fair and balanced, practical or even justifiably reasonable?
If you're letting other players exploit you, none of the game's or CCP's fault - that's just you being stupid. You don't have to play with vets to achieve in this game - I was a new player too at one point and know this from personal experience.
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Rjaiajik Kajvoril
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Posted - 2007.12.04 08:35:00 -
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To the OP: You are an ungrateful waste of skin, people like you are why God invented face cancer. If you don't like the game, don't ******* play it.
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Cailais
Amarr VITOC
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Posted - 2007.12.04 09:03:00 -
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There's no need for comments like that.
C.
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Dehumanisation - griefers are cool and if you are not a griefer, you do not belong here.
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insidion
Caldari Last of the Technocracy
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Posted - 2007.12.04 09:11:00 -
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You're right, CCP only caters to the PVP side of EVE. Industry in this game is a complete waste of time, in desperate need of reworking from scratch, and if you absolutely must do it, then you absolutely have to do it in a team. But CCP has proven repeatedly that it's never going to happen, so not to sound rude but either go PVX like everyone else, or quit.
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.12.04 09:29:00 -
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Edited by: Plutoinum on 04/12/2007 09:32:59
Originally by: Darwinia you guys are just going to get the Rorqual nerfed down to carrying only ore in its cargo hold... 
Yes that might come out of it. But on the other hand there are Titans and will be tech-2 freighters for jump hauling. I'm not really a friend of that, since you can't cut someone off from the supplies. And it allows easy pos deployment and logistik for the rich alliances, who have got the isk for the initial investment.
Think it doesn't make much sense, if those get extra advantages, who need it the least. So using the rorqual as a jump hauler for your not-so-uberrich corp is a way to restore the balance a bit in my eyes.
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Sul Condbax
Open Season
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Posted - 2007.12.04 09:32:00 -
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Originally by: Rjaiajik Kajvoril To the OP: You are an ungrateful waste of skin, people like you are why God invented face cancer. If you don't like the game, don't ******* play it.
calm down dude, get a ban or something
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Rjaiajik Kajvoril
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Posted - 2007.12.04 09:40:00 -
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No, I'm just in a bad mood because I may end up loosing my job in about 5 hours... it's frustrating and I've been getting out my aggression by being exceptionally blunt on the forums. Don't mean to be an ass.
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Karlemgne
The Black Fleet The Cosa Nostra
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Posted - 2007.12.04 09:44:00 -
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Originally by: arutu dento Edited by: arutu dento on 04/12/2007 00:07:05 ive had it with this game
Can I have your stuff?
Quote: sure the economy is cool the ships are cool and pvp is cool
Alright, so far I'm having difficulty with your reasoning as to why you're fed up with the game.
Quote: but you know what if you dont pvp ccp does nothing to for you to make this game enjoyable
I see, so you want to come to this game, insert yourself in the community, and dictate to CCP how they should cater their game to fit your tastes. If you aren't into the parts of EVE that you admitted above were "cool" then perhahps another game is for you.
Quote: Stuff and some whining and complaining about getting skill books.
So, ah, how long have you actually been playing this game? Not long, right?
Quote: empire your boned from 1 doochebag camping a gate
Use a scout, take an escort, check your map, fit a stab, train for a tech two hauler. All of these things save you from a lone "douchebag" camping a gate. If you absolutely refuse to do this, and want the game changed, you are playing the wrong game, and paying for it.
Quote: its rediculous that ccp made it so easy for 1 person to screw up another person in 2 seconds for what took him an entire day to do.
Thats one of the things that distinguishes EVE from the dime a dozen MMOs that are on the market now. In my view, this is an asset of EVE, not a flaw. If you feel otherwise, stop paying CCP and start up a WoW account.
Quote: its not even the monerary hit that bugs me
What, exactly, is a "monerary?"
Quote: how many times do i have to start from scratch cuz of this stupid game.
As long as it takes you to stop making choices that get all of your stuff blown up, or until you quit the game.
Quote: blah blah blah ive had enough
Again, can I have what's left of your stuff?
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CCP Hammer

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Posted - 2007.12.04 10:02:00 -
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In defense of the OP I can be a jerk sometimes.
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CCP Zulupark

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Posted - 2007.12.04 10:04:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Hammer In defense of the OP I can be a jerk sometimes.
I can vouch for that. Sometimes he won't share his Barbie dolls when we play.
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Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp New Eden Research
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Posted - 2007.12.04 10:07:00 -
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CCP: 1 - OP: 0
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Gabriel Karade
Nulli-Secundus
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Posted - 2007.12.04 10:08:00 -
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Sin Meng
Gallente Helios Incorporated Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.12.04 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Hammer In defense of the OP I can be a jerk sometimes.
Snap -------------------------
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Zantazar
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.04 10:17:00 -
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Oh dear, oh dear, whilst I think the OP has to look at the errors of his decisions in the past resulting in his losses. It is not CCP that are jerks, it is the pathetic, and if I must say disgusting comments by a large number of posters, that show them to be jerks. Have a go at the OP, of course he is wrong, but personal, and downright evil comments simply display the poster for the cowardly, nasty, horrible, cretin that they obviously are.
Regards Zan
I would sell my soul, my body, and my entire family for a Navy Raven. (Just kidding .... my soul is not for sale)
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Comstr
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.04 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: Zantazar Have a go at the OP, of course he is wrong, but personal, and downright evil comments simply display the poster for the cowardly, nasty, horrible, cretin that they obviously are.
Hey, CCP staff members are people too ya know.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2007.12.04 11:10:00 -
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Yeah there is CLEARLY NO SPACE AT ALL for us non-pvp pilots... I quit too!
or wait... are we playing the same game? There is loads of things to do, and loads of ways to protect yourself from those 2 seconds of life destruction, clearly you're doing something wrong...?
But of course EVE may not be for everyone, maybe you was unlucky enough to end up in that group, and as you then say there is no place for you here. I wish you the best of luck in the future with whatever you move on to, sorry to see it didn't work out as wanted in New Eden but better luck next time.
Fly/Walk/Drive/Run/Jump/Float/Crawl/Board/Ski/Parachute-safe. Bye bye.
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Sin Meng
Gallente Helios Incorporated Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.12.04 11:12:00 -
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Edited by: Sin Meng on 04/12/2007 11:12:51
Originally by: Chribba Yeah there is CLEARLY NO SPACE AT ALL for us non-pvp pilots... I quit too!
or wait... are we playing the same game? There is loads of things to do, and loads of ways to protect yourself from those 2 seconds of life destruction, clearly you're doing something wrong...?
But of course EVE may not be for everyone, maybe you was unlucky enough to end up in that group, and as you then say there is no place for you here. I wish you the best of luck in the future with whatever you move on to, sorry to see it didn't work out as wanted in New Eden but better luck next time.
Fly/Walk/Drive/Run/Jump/Float/Crawl/Board/Ski/Parachute-safe. Bye bye.
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EVE is a sandbox with land mines, deal with it. |

Levin Cavil
Applied Eugenics Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.12.04 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: Janu Hull
Originally by: Cailais
If you are asking for new types of Blockade Runners, say versions that are larger with heavier armor, or weaponry then Id say yes, EVE probably does need such 'Combat Merchant' vessels.
Those are referred to as "q-ships". They look all yummy and civilian, and really do carry a little cargo, but under the sheep skin, there's a wolf awaiting.
Already got them.
Keep on flaming lamers, just like your ships when we ended you. |

ElCoCo
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.04 11:22:00 -
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I agree wit da op. Hammer admitted it so it must be true. Rock on brosef! |

Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.04 11:26:00 -
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Is "bunch" the right collective noun for jerks? I always thought it was "circle".

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SeismicForce
Clear Horizon Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.04 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Hammer In defense of the OP I can be a jerk sometimes.
You were probably the mean piwat who bwew him ups...
Originally by: Allisie In a recent interview, a dev mentioned that ships and skills cause lag and will be removed in EVE 2.
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Malcanis
High4Life SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.04 11:32:00 -
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Originally by: Sul Condbax geez these "I lost all my stuffs because I'm dumb and now I'm quitting because CCP are ebil"-threads sure do pop up often these days!
What would we ever do without them 
This is because learning skills take to long.
Fix those and he could have quit in 5 months, not 6...
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |

Malcanis
High4Life SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.04 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Avon Is "bunch" the right collective noun for jerks? I always thought it was "circle".

It's actually a fap of jerks.
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |

Deaf Luggage
Minmatar The Feminists
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Posted - 2007.12.04 11:49:00 -
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Edited by: Deaf Luggage on 04/12/2007 11:52:23 Edited by: Deaf Luggage on 04/12/2007 11:50:37
Originally by: mechtech The rules are set out for you. Eve is risk vs reward, and I've gotta tell you something, there is NEVER no risk.
When you know what you're doing this is not the case.
Quote: It's a cut throat environment.
It's pretend. It's has unwritten rules that you can learn, and then you're safe. Yes, safe, not just safer. In other words, it's a game, and one you can beat. It pretends to be cut throat, so players can feel all elite and empowered, and have fun with that.
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Bomerang
Dai Dai Hai
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Posted - 2007.12.04 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zulupark
Originally by: CCP Hammer In defense of the OP I can be a jerk sometimes.
I can vouch for that. Sometimes he won't share his Barbie dolls when we play.
You 2 was the ones choosing a certain color on a certain races T1 in Trinity, right?? Why have Barbie dolls when you can fly Gallente ships. 
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Liv Forever
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Posted - 2007.12.04 12:00:00 -
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You are kidding right! If you really feel like this then go play Sim City. CCP do too much for carebears as it is so quit whining about an essential part of what makes this fun. This game would be soooo boring if ppl whing like u got their way. If you don't like the risk then find a big corp and get them to defend you.
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KISOGOKU
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Posted - 2007.12.04 12:05:00 -
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you jumped to 0.0 and lost everything i guess,sorry for your loss .This can be happen to everybody not just for you.Dont carry skill books ,put a jump clone to a station that sell skillbooks and install them then you cant lost your skill books. To carrying other things use transport ships with mwd and wcs.The thing you really need is patient.I came broke (no money ,nothing )from 0.0 1 year ago no isk ,no bs only ship i had was a ferox .I would not be where im if i did same thing you did.Contact me i may give some tips and look what we can do for frest start
Originally by: arutu dento
" i hit a bubble in a empty system no one was in local, only to get ambushed by a cloaked ship with drones" under what circumstances would you call this perfectly reasonable? there is no wrong way to do it.
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Buyerr
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Posted - 2007.12.04 12:19:00 -
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well you do realize that even though we got spaceships, jumpdrives, ability to set up whole stations, clones, abillity to jump our mind from one clone to the next, warping, warp disrupt and warp stabs technology, we can't even make a scanner that can do a normal scan though a gate or a precise scan, or have the ability to select our warp in point in a system, nop have to be right on the gate there dude:P loled..
well i feel your pain... but the eve pvp really needs some work, there is way to little chance to defend yourself if your not camping or moving in big roaming gangs or using nano-ships (didn't you know nano-online ^^ every good pvp ship is a nano ship, if you move under 2k in any ship don't even bother unless it is a fleet or a whole gang of bs's) ^^
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