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arutu dento	Posted - 2007.12.04 00:05:00 - [1] Edited by: arutu dento on 04/12/2007 00:07:05 ive had it with this game, sure the economy is cool the ships are cool and pvp is cool but you know what if you dont pvp ccp does nothing to for you to make this game enjoyable lets say you want to do industrial work you spend half a year or more getting your mining barge together you have to make trips all the time to empire to get your skill books cuz of the ore you refine and constantly have to hual a little at a time its fine if you in your own system but if you need to hual stuff from empire your boned from 1 doochebag camping a gate its rediculous that ccp made it so easy for 1 person to screw up another person in 2 seconds for what took him an entire day to do. its not even the monerary hit that bugs me its the time i spent flying ALL over empire to get the nessary items and get that all taken away in 2 seconds and be unable to do anything about it. wheres the fairness? how many times do i have to start from scratch cuz of this stupid game. why the hell do i have to sit and take it up the ass? is it so hard to give me an assload or armour and shields? why is it so easy? sure you kill a hualer the loot is yours thats fair but then stuff that is essential to your progress also gets thrown out the window its like ccp wants to spit on ever step of progress you make. you can neither run nor defend nor fight just carry stuff have it stolen and repeat **** you dont even get a fair warning. im like a work horse who had his eyes and ears burnt out and my tendons cut so i cant even run away in the dark ive had enough
Dissolutor Minmatar	Posted - 2007.12.04 00:05:00 - [2] Edited by: Dissolutor on 04/12/2007 00:06:00 Can i have your stuff? If you have any left of course
Mymain DreadMoros	Posted - 2007.12.04 00:09:00 - [3] Edited by: Mymain DreadMoros on 04/12/2007 00:09:19 Perhaps haulers armour and shields should be improved. CCP do play the game but they all have 70+ million skillpoints and dont have to worry about it.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.12.04 00:10:00 - [4] Welcome to Eve Originally by: ISD Valorem The Devs have stated multiple times that they are looking at the Amarr issues.
Sirial Soulfly	Posted - 2007.12.04 00:10:00 - [5] I am sorry to hear that it took you so long to realize you aren't cut out for this game, sounds like a lot of time wasted. And can I have you stuff ? =)
SpaceSavage Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.12.04 00:10:00 - [6] bye _______________
arutu dento	Posted - 2007.12.04 00:11:00 - [7] you can have my smoldering ashes i dont really have anything else that would be of value. everythign else belongs to the corp on principle. thats my point i dont play this game for myself i do things for the group it takes me all day and i see very little action that would keep most entertained cuz of the way the economy works it seems to me that unless youve got 20mil skill points and a carrier you screwed in this game unless you fight. i cant even begin to tell you how many corps dont even mine all income comes from PVP activity
Seraphax Caldari Pilots Of Honour	Posted - 2007.12.04 00:11:00 - [8] waah waah go back to WoW then.
Majestik Gallente Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2007.12.04 00:13:00 - [9] I thought people used escorts and/or scouts when doing this sort of thing out there?
arutu dento	Posted - 2007.12.04 00:15:00 - [10] i had a scout there was a bubble but no one in local all of a sudden a bunch of drones come at me i was gathering my cargo for 8 hours today its BS

Bigeasy Caldari Shadow Of The Light	Posted - 2007.12.04 00:18:00 - [11] To bad so sad... Next time train for a DST or a blockade runner. Oh and can I have your stuff? Let them hate, so long as they fear-Caligula
Fad3dlight	Posted - 2007.12.04 00:19:00 - [12] Can I ha.. Got anything left?
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.04 00:19:00 - [13] Originally by: arutu dento wheres the fairness? Ah! I ave located ze sourze of your Fail. Now, hold still and I vill attempt to vemove it! - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Baleur Miners In Barges Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2007.12.04 00:20:00 - [14] SO basically you want CCP to grant YOU a special invincibility shield, just for YOU to get YOUR stuff safely transported? Excuse me. But we all play by the same rules. Why shouldnt you? And how can 1 person gatecamp you? Did you run on autopilot? If so, LOLZ, if not.. Ever heard of warp core stabilizers? Ever heard of shield boosters? Microwarpdrives? Or the easiest way to not get ganked, dont fly autopilot............. ------------------------- This post represents my entire alliance views and opinions. Not.. ;(
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.12.04 00:21:00 - [15] Yep CCP loves to grief, get used to it ^^ _________________________________________________ Breetime A killmail!11!1 omgrawr: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Doppler Shift Red 42	Posted - 2007.12.04 00:23:00 - [16] Originally by: arutu dento you can have my smoldering ashes i dont really have anything else that would be of value. Contract anywhere but Jita 4-4 plzkthxbyebyenow (and it's spelled "frozen corpse" not "smoldering ashes" - sheesh, don't you ever pvp?) --- This is what's left of my signatu...[siggienerf][/siggienerf]
Major Death Caldari Yiotul Fighters Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.12.04 00:26:00 - [17] Quick tip, whine about Assault Frigates being crap. Nobody will ask for your stuff cause nobody wants an AF! My original sig was 'Enjoy lag free play in a dynamic space MMORPG'. It was removed for lack of EVE content! ;) No AF fixes in Trinity! Same sh1t, different engine
Vitrael Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.12.04 00:26:00 - [18] Originally by: arutu dento Edited by: arutu dento on 04/12/2007 00:07:05but you know what if you dont pvp ccp does nothing to for you to make this game enjoyable [gripe about industrial ship tank] Use a carrier or freighter with heavy escort. If you don't have one contract the job to a carrier or freighter pilot or join an industrial corporation that would help you with this kind of thing. Or, since you've been in game more than six months, use a t2 hauler- they're surprisingly effective. With some friends escorting with reps you should be very safe. See where this is going? Eve is not a solo game. You are not supposed to be able to safely haul your junk between 0.0 and empire in large quantities by yourself in any kind of safety. If you think it's CCP's fault that you can't live out of a t1 industrial making wacky profits then you are playing the wrong game.
Emperor D'Hoffryn No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.12.04 00:29:00 - [19] 1. user scouts 2. use built in autopilot options to plan a route around low sec 3. when buying stuff, use a faster ship where possible, exequeror comes to mind 4. stabs. you dont NEED to have all expanders fitted in your lows 5. plan ahead, so you dont make so many trips 6. rorqual. go look it up, and see what CCP has given to industrialists. 7. LOOK AT NUMBER SIX, AND REALIZE WHATS POSSIBLE. that is all. Originally by: Snuggly It's just so great to have an actual reason to not die, incentive is fantastic!
Majestik Gallente Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2007.12.04 00:31:00 - [20] Edited by: Majestik on 04/12/2007 00:36:30 If the cargo is important to your corp maybe you guys can figure out ways to get the cargo to your base safely like the military operations I watch in some movies and documentaries on the history channel.......and the space opera novels I read. I think that is what this game is all about and the purpose of all these different types of ships. Could be fun.

Cailais Amarr VITOC	Posted - 2007.12.04 00:32:00 - [21] Hmm, hard to read bit ranty. If you're asking for invulnerbilty, no. If you are asking for new types of Blockade Runners, say versions that are larger with heavier armor, or weaponry then Id say yes, EVE probably does need such 'Combat Merchant' vessels. C. Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Dehumanisation - griefers are cool and if you are not a griefer, you do not belong here.
arutu dento	Posted - 2007.12.04 00:39:00 - [22] blockade runner is what im asking for dont listen to ppl who like to flame cuz i am neither ranting nor looking for an argument just stating the sad state of affairs for new players ( i know what a roqal is obviously im not there yet which would defeat the purpose of starting this thread)
Geren Basbar Helios Incorporated Insurgency	Posted - 2007.12.04 00:47:00 - [23] You are made of fail. Now, learn to play the game already. Also, don't run around with skillbooks (i think you said something about this), plug them into your head mmmkay? I'm installing a cap ship skill in a few days and I'm sure as hell not running it around in a ship. I'm gonna clone jump... install... clone jump... yay.
Aleria Angelis Strix Armaments and Defence Acheron Federation	Posted - 2007.12.04 00:50:00 - [24] With enough intelligence and experience PvP situations can be avoided. (I speak from first hand experience)
Rufus MacMaranth Shadow Front Lost Children of Eve	Posted - 2007.12.04 00:52:00 - [25] Oh, give me a break. If you want to make a reasonable amount of cash as a miner/industrialist in this game you avoid low sec, or for that matter 0.0, unless you have heavy corp support and proper logistics. You can make tons of cash doing both the above in high sec without too much trouble (unless you don't pay attention). If you must go 0.0/low sec then its not a good solo option for mining (at least not until you have made enough cash to support yourself getting blown up a few times and losing everything). Too many folks in this game want to have an 'easy' button for the PvP zones of the game. Get over it. Ruf.
Zinras	Posted - 2007.12.04 01:03:00 - [26] Edited by: Zinras on 04/12/2007 01:05:21 Ever heard of friends? You know, those people you meet ingame or know IRL that can help you through the less secure parts of space. And if you don't know anyone that would want to escort you, you could probably hire someone to do it. Besides, it's not like the rest of us, even in our shiny battleships, can avoid being blown up if we fly around randomly in lowsec/0.0 with no scout or backup (or high sec if there's a war going on or someone has kill rights on you - people just like shooting eachother in the face). Also, I would very much like to have your stuff.
Sopha Serpentia Core Dynamics	Posted - 2007.12.04 01:10:00 - [27] Originally by: arutu dento Edited by: arutu dento on 04/12/2007 00:07:05 wheres the fairness? The fairness would be you not giving your stuff to one person but rather distributing it fairly amoungst everyone who said "can I have your stuff". Oh, Can I have your stuff?
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2007.12.04 01:24:00 - [28] ccp should really add ships that help you get ore from 0.0 to empire oh wait they did rorqual = ftw?
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Spartan Industries Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.04 01:33:00 - [29] OP is obvious troll..no one could be that ignorant about the game [04:58:57] Azzloran > ever heard of a drake? you wont like them when they decloak on you
Forando Interstellar Cowards	Posted - 2007.12.04 02:01:00 - [30] HI GUISE! I LOST MAH ESTAMELS MODIFIED CRYBABY U GUISE SEEN IT? OHH HERE IT BE IN THIS THREAD! Nah, on a more serious note; You gotta' love the cold cynical world of New Eden. No other game I know can get you so heated up, paranoid, about an in-game happening. I love EVE for precisely that! Enjoy, and fly safe..

Paulo Damarr	Posted - 2007.12.04 02:12:00 - [31] Originally by: arutu dento is it so hard to give me an assload or armour and shields? You see those module slots on the ship fitting screen? stuff actually goes in those to give you more armour and shields Originally by: Tortun Nahme CCP also condones thinking, I suggest you try it from tiem to time
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2007.12.04 02:24:00 - [32] Quote: its rediculous that ccp made it so easy for 1 person to screw up another person in 2 seconds for what took him an entire day to do. Hmm, when i hauled through low sec, I could escape 5 man gatecamps on my own. You must be doing it wrong. Improve Market Competition!
Mallikan Gallente Spartan Hoplites Rare Faction	Posted - 2007.12.04 02:25:00 - [33] Are you serious? Honestly? Is a Goon going to pop up and say "lol, spam thread!" Look man, if you want it easy, go play a single player game and use a trainer or cheats. Drones don't come from space, so surely you missed something. "wheres the fairness? how many times do i have to start from scratch cuz of this stupid game." um.. try not carrying all of your assets in one single cargo. And don't you think if you got your way people would be saying "where's the fairness? how many times do I have to shoot a hauler before it goes pop??" Blaming CCP because you're a dunce is absolutely stupid. Stupid. I say fine, leave. Have fun in some other MMO. But do be sure to stay in school, okay? --- lol.. I messed up.
Araxmas The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency	Posted - 2007.12.04 02:31:00 - [34] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Welcome to Eve Win -------- The Derek Quote Pyramid
Ed Anger Weekly World News	Posted - 2007.12.04 02:45:00 - [35] ccp are a bunch of beef jerky. the smoked kind.
Sul Condbax Open Season	Posted - 2007.12.04 02:47:00 - [36] geez these "I lost all my stuffs because I'm dumb and now I'm quitting because CCP are ebil"-threads sure do pop up often these days! What would we ever do without them
Stro3der Minmatar Phoibe Enterprises The Fifth Race	Posted - 2007.12.04 03:00:00 - [37] More importantly ... can i have ur stuff ? Combat: Your Large Spirits Bottle II strikes Sanshas Pointy Cruiser perfectly, opening a can of whoopass for wtfomghicburp*pwned damage !
Eizana Amarr Scyanis	Posted - 2007.12.04 03:18:00 - [38] So let me get this straight, if you lose at a game it is the fault of whoever created the game for not making it easier to you to win? They are to blame for you screwing yourself over and over again?
Excora Harkonnen Occam's Razor Combine Insurgency	Posted - 2007.12.04 03:22:00 - [39] Originally by: Sirial Soulfly I am sorry to hear that it took you so long to realize you aren't cut out for this game, sounds like a lot of time wasted. And can I have you stuff ? =) lmao
LaffyTaffy TR	Posted - 2007.12.04 03:26:00 - [40] . Do you use them?

arutu dento	Posted - 2007.12.04 03:36:00 - [41] you guys are bunch of cynical ass hats get off your high horse the facts are these -the roqals purpose is not to do runs between empire and 0.0 -the point of this thread is to point out the obvious pandering to high level players, where as new players are left to fend against unreasonable circumstances -also bare in mind that im a completly industrial player the ships i fly have no mechanisms of any kind to deal with gate campers i do it the old fashioned way. clearly when i made this thread i was venting but my reasoning is perfectly valid i spent 8 hours flying through empire collecting toilet paper only to have it lost in a manner of 2 seconds by a glitch in the game " i hit a bubble in a empty system no one was in local, only to get ambushed by a cloaked ship with drones" under what circumstances would you call this perfectly reasonable? there is no wrong way to do it. sure i could get a carrier roqal jump frieghter fly a shuttle fly with a scout or gang but then i wouldnt be a newbie or in a small corp would i then? i can tell you what high level players do in this game they pay lower levels to make money for them i know i "work" with one. on what scale is this fair and balanced, practical or even justifiably reasonable? where do i get my cut for time and effort cuz thats what industrial players do they devote much more time and effort as they are the ones filling three roles at once most of the time ive said my piece now you can continue the name calling i dont care anymore go find someone else to laugh at i really dont care
Kruel Blunt Force Syndicate	Posted - 2007.12.04 03:39:00 - [42] Obligatory...
DaveW Caldari South Park Development	Posted - 2007.12.04 03:45:00 - [43] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar OP is obvious troll..no one could be that ignorant about the game I have to agree. "Fool me once, shame on you, Fool me twice, shame on me" --------------------------------------------------- "If you can't stand the heat..., stay out of the Kitchen."
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.04 03:47:00 - [44] TBH "I got attacked in an empty system" is a new one on me... Tell me this guy wasn't taken out by gate rats... - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Augustus McCrae	Posted - 2007.12.04 03:53:00 - [45] Originally by: arutu dento -also bare in mind that im a completly industrial player the ships i fly have no mechanisms of any kind to deal with gate campers i do it the old fashioned way. I'm a newbie industrialist. I have almost no combat skills, and I'm constantly getting taken advantage of by more powerful, more experienced players. I don't whine about it on the forums. When my ore gets stolen, I write it off, chalk it up to experience, and change my play style to make it harder to steal my ore. When I get massacred by a gate camp, I write it off, chalk it up to experience, and change my play style so that hopefully in the future I won't get gate camped. You have to adjust to the game, you can't make it adjust to you, and crying and whining about it on the forums just makes you look pathetic. One of the golden rules of EVE is that if you lose big time, it's YOUR FAULT. There are many, many, many ways to protect yourself that don't involve having massive guns and armor. You have plenty of ways to limit the risk you expose yourself to, but whining on the forums about how the devs hate you personally because you lost your shiny indy is NOT one of them.
Verlaine Glariant Knights of the Flame Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.04 03:54:00 - [46] Are you quiting? If so, can I have your stuff? Verlaine Glariant. Tactical Weapons Specialist.
Tanis Kvanz	Posted - 2007.12.04 04:43:00 - [47] Life is hard. Can I have your stuff?
Kyra Felann Gallente Red Eye .Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.04 05:02:00 - [48] Here, this game might be more your type.
Bigeasy Caldari Shadow Of The Light	Posted - 2007.12.04 05:10:00 - [49] Originally by: Kyra Felann Here, this game might be more your type. Hmm, i seem to be detecting large quantities of win in this post. Let them hate, so long as they fear-Caligula
Vorok Silver Aria	Posted - 2007.12.04 05:23:00 - [50] The OP has my sympathy. Most of his punctuation marks and and capital letters were on that hauler, and he exhausted what little he had left on this thread. It'll be years before he has enough for cruise control again.

Aleksi Maksimovich Alternative Methods Research Group	Posted - 2007.12.04 05:44:00 - [51] Welcome to Eve. Sorry your stuff got blown up. The majority don't care, but thanks for sharing. Posts like the op's are a sad reflection on the state of our world. Life is never fair. Eve just reflects that and many people find it distasteful. If this is the case please stop whining on the forums, it just gets the piwats all YARR'd up. If you are a n00b I highly endorse Eve-Uni - good guys and they will show you how to avoid having that happen and what to do if it does. Consequences... making noobs ***** on the forums since '03. __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Nozh It's going to cost double for Amarr and I'm taking away your ability to warp.
mechtech Silver Snake Enterprise	Posted - 2007.12.04 05:46:00 - [52] Originally by: arutu dento you guys are bunch of cynical ass hats get off your high horse the facts are these -the roqals purpose is not to do runs between empire and 0.0 -the point of this thread is to point out the obvious pandering to high level players, where as new players are left to fend against unreasonable circumstances -also bare in mind that im a completly industrial player the ships i fly have no mechanisms of any kind to deal with gate campers i do it the old fashioned way. clearly when i made this thread i was venting but my reasoning is perfectly valid i spent 8 hours flying through empire collecting toilet paper only to have it lost in a manner of 2 seconds by a glitch in the game " i hit a bubble in a empty system no one was in local, only to get ambushed by a cloaked ship with drones" under what circumstances would you call this perfectly reasonable? there is no wrong way to do it. sure i could get a carrier roqal jump frieghter fly a shuttle fly with a scout or gang but then i wouldnt be a newbie or in a small corp would i then? i can tell you what high level players do in this game they pay lower levels to make money for them i know i "work" with one. on what scale is this fair and balanced, practical or even justifiably reasonable? where do i get my cut for time and effort cuz thats what industrial players do they devote much more time and effort as they are the ones filling three roles at once most of the time ive said my piece now you can continue the name calling i dont care anymore go find someone else to laugh at i really dont care I'm an industrialist through and through, and was a fledgling industrialist before warp to 0 and carrier jumping of any kind. What you are saying is pretty pathetic. The rules are set out for you. Eve is risk vs reward, and I've gotta tell you something, there is NEVER no risk. So what should you do? Never carry all your eggs in one basket, and you won't get screwed like this. I lost all my isk to pirates before, but I learned from my mistake, rebuilt, and moved on. As you can see, the step of running to the forums and crying are not in there. Anyway, constructive criticism is accepted and replied to nicely around here, but flames like this generally bring flames in replies (duh?). CCP runs this game, they can make the rules how they want, and they have made an amazing game so far. If you have problems, go to the ideas and suggestions forum and write up a constructive post about your issue. Who knows though, maybe eve isn't for you.
Domania Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.12.04 06:45:00 - [53] Your stuff....contract it to me please....
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.12.04 07:12:00 - [54] I need to get unbanished from highsec and find some haulers Originally by: ISD Valorem The Devs have stated multiple times that they are looking at the Amarr issues.
Cipher7 VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.04 07:19:00 - [55] Mine in highsec while you train for the tools you need to survive in lowsec/nosec.
Lilian Long	Posted - 2007.12.04 07:32:00 - [56] 0.0 isn't fair. It's a cut throat environment. The chance that it gets changed, because some people like you can't deal with it without adapting their playstyle, is rather low. I've been living myself for some months at the end of the universe in 0.0, hostile space between us and empire and it was so far away that hauling wasn't really an option. So well, I depended on local markets, carrier trips of mates and the stuff that rolled in with organized freighter escorts. One freighter trip often took about 2 hours. But well, I didn't need to be there. It was my own choice. So you want solo playstyle in 0.0 ? You can do that under certain circumstances, depending on where you are, who else is there, how your standings are, what you can fly, how much time and patience you have. But there are no guarantees. In the end noone forced you to spend 8 hours with getting stuff, put it in an industrial and jump into some hostiles with it alone. You knew the risk and it was your own choice.
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum The Church.	Posted - 2007.12.04 07:34:00 - [57] Originally by: Vorok Edited by: Vorok on 04/12/2007 05:26:27 The OP has my sympathy. Most of his punctuation marks and capital letters were on that hauler, and he exhausted what little he had left on this thread. It'll be years before he has enough for cruise control again. Now this is win.
Mortuus Minmatar Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.04 07:36:00 - [58] Originally by: arutu dento " i hit a bubble in a empty system no one was in local, only to get ambushed by a cloaked ship with drones" under what circumstances would you call this perfectly reasonable? there is no wrong way to do it. This is the part I am confused about, did he get owned by rogue drones? ex-Occassus Republica <3
Solomunio Kzenig Amarr Ordo Ministorum MERCURY RISING.	Posted - 2007.12.04 07:48:00 - [59] Edited by: Solomunio Kzenig on 04/12/2007 07:50:19 Originally by: arutu dento you guys are bunch of cynical ass hats get off your high horse the facts are these -the roqals purpose is not to do runs between empire and 0.0 -the point of this thread is to point out the obvious pandering to high level players, where as new players are left to fend against unreasonable circumstances -also bare in mind that im a completly industrial player the ships i fly have no mechanisms of any kind to deal with gate campers i do it the old fashioned way. clearly when i made this thread i was venting but my reasoning is perfectly valid i spent 8 hours flying through empire collecting toilet paper only to have it lost in a manner of 2 seconds by a glitch in the game " i hit a bubble in a empty system no one was in local, only to get ambushed by a cloaked ship with drones" under what circumstances would you call this perfectly reasonable? there is no wrong way to do it. sure i could get a carrier roqal jump frieghter fly a shuttle fly with a scout or gang but then i wouldnt be a newbie or in a small corp would i then? i can tell you what high level players do in this game they pay lower levels to make money for them i know i "work" with one. on what scale is this fair and balanced, practical or even justifiably reasonable? where do i get my cut for time and effort cuz thats what industrial players do they devote much more time and effort as they are the ones filling three roles at once most of the time ive said my piece now you can continue the name calling i dont care anymore go find someone else to laugh at i really dont care EVE Facts: 1. While the Roqual's original purpose might not be to haul between 0.0 and Empire, i'm betting that it will be used extensively by players for that purpose. You know why? because they can, they can look at the lovely shiney stuff CCP proviides us and they can think of all the ways to use it, they are adapting to game conditions. 2. All major content expansions in MMO's (at least the successful ones) will allways pander to high end players, they are the ones who are right on the egde of the game, exploiting and using it in ways even the DEV's themselves have not thought about. 3. If you are a 'pure' industrial player as you say, thats no excuse, get some F*^%ing skills that will allow you to survive in Low Sec/0.0. Tanking skills are a good start, as are ECM skills. 4. You don't have to use a Industrial to transport stuff you know. A BS with a good tank can make an excellent hauler for low sec work. Me I use a Cruiser for trips into low sec to pick up low volume/high value stuff, and its stabbed, fitted for max armor and resists + some ECM. Its cheap and often does not tweak the interest of the scanning alts that infest the routes into Low Sec. Hitting an empty bubble? did you think to check local? the cloaked player would show up in local...it sounds like you were the victim of a log-in trap, so what, thats a prefectly acceptable part of game mechanics. And ffs remember that EVE is not a single player game with MSN tacked on as an afterthought, its a game where the only way to survive, prosper and utilise all of its content is to do things in cooperation with other players. I've been killed several times in low sec, the last time losing a rather tasty faction fitted BS, whose insurance had run out stupid me!. Did I rant and run to the Forums to cry, no. I picked myself up and started again pretty much from scratch, though my corp mates did have a whip round and gave me 25 mil to help me. One Empire, One Emperor, One People, Forever under Heaven. Amarr Aeternus.
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2007.12.04 08:01:00 - [60] Edited by: Andrue on 04/12/2007 08:02:04 Originally by: arutu dento ive had enough Could I have had your stuff before you lost it all? Sorry, dude but you took a big risk and lost. If you'd got away with it you'd have wet yourself with excitement. Next time be more careful. Move smaller loads in a safer ship. Oh..and calling CCP names just because you lost is really imature. You're going to have to deal with worse problems than that as you grow up. -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.

Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.12.04 08:04:00 - [61] Edited by: Plutoinum on 04/12/2007 08:04:16 Originally by: Solomunio Kzenig 1. While the Roqual's original purpose might not be to haul between 0.0 and Empire, i'm betting that it will be used extensively by players for that purpose. Yes, once I've got the isk, which might take a while, because I'm lazy, I get a rorqual. I don't care about mining much, although I got a industrial alt with freighter and barge skills. He'll get that thing mainly for hauling purposes first.
Darwinia Minmatar	Posted - 2007.12.04 08:20:00 - [62] you guys are just going to get the Rorqual nerfed down to carrying only ore in its cargo hold... ------------------------ I don't believe in sigs.
Eizana Amarr Scyanis	Posted - 2007.12.04 08:26:00 - [63] Originally by: arutu dento the roqals purpose is not to do runs between empire and 0.0 yeah that's what you have transport ships in this game for, as well as cloaks and warp core stabs - and if you are heading off to 0.0 you accept the risks - CCP did not make low sec and 0.0 for the purpose of griefing new players and being jerks to them - it's a place where people go when the are ready to take high risks and reap better rewards Originally by: arutu dento -the point of this thread is to point out the obvious pandering to high level players, where as new players are left to fend against unreasonable circumstances -also bare in mind that im a completly industrial player the ships i fly have no mechanisms of any kind to deal with gate campers i do it the old fashioned way. When my 27 mil sp character travels alone in a hauler I have to use exactly same mechanisms as you to avoid gate camps. Having more sp and playing the game longer does not give me some kind of magical cloak that I can use to avoid all the gate camps. If I want my travels to be safer just like you i'll have to spend a month training up to use transport ships. Just like you I can only use warp core stabs, cloak, and nanos to make my travel safer. Just like you my corp mates aren't going to instantly jump into combat ships and come and break up every game camp for me every time I ask them for help. And operating capital ships requires either teamwork or multiple accounts and a billion ISK investment. So how exactly is it that i'm getting a much better deal while you're facing some completely unreasonable odds and unsurmountable challenges? Originally by: arutu dento sure i could get a carrier roqal jump frieghter fly a shuttle fly with a scout or gang but then i wouldnt be a newbie or in a small corp would i then? Like I said many vets don't operate cap ships, don't have the isk to, and don't have other people jumping at their very request to scout some pipe or low sec stretch for them. If you're part of a small corp that was your choice - many large corps accept new players. If you're so new that no one will accept you, you don't venture to high risks areas. I can roll a 900K alt, take it to the nearest 0.0 pipe, then come here and complain about game being unfair that I stood no chance against the campers (I can even do it with my 27 mil sp char). And other players would reply to me that those are the rules and I need to learn to play by them or leave the game. Originally by: arutu dento i can tell you what high level players do in this game they pay lower levels to make money for them i know i "work" with one. on what scale is this fair and balanced, practical or even justifiably reasonable? If you're letting other players exploit you, none of the game's or CCP's fault - that's just you being stupid. You don't have to play with vets to achieve in this game - I was a new player too at one point and know this from personal experience.
Rjaiajik Kajvoril	Posted - 2007.12.04 08:35:00 - [64] To the OP: You are an ungrateful waste of skin, people like you are why God invented face cancer. If you don't like the game, don't ******* play it.
Cailais Amarr VITOC	Posted - 2007.12.04 09:03:00 - [65] There's no need for comments like that. C. Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Dehumanisation - griefers are cool and if you are not a griefer, you do not belong here.
insidion Caldari Last of the Technocracy	Posted - 2007.12.04 09:11:00 - [66] You're right, CCP only caters to the PVP side of EVE. Industry in this game is a complete waste of time, in desperate need of reworking from scratch, and if you absolutely must do it, then you absolutely have to do it in a team. But CCP has proven repeatedly that it's never going to happen, so not to sound rude but either go PVX like everyone else, or quit.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.12.04 09:29:00 - [67] Edited by: Plutoinum on 04/12/2007 09:32:59 Originally by: Darwinia you guys are just going to get the Rorqual nerfed down to carrying only ore in its cargo hold... Yes that might come out of it. But on the other hand there are Titans and will be tech-2 freighters for jump hauling. I'm not really a friend of that, since you can't cut someone off from the supplies. And it allows easy pos deployment and logistik for the rich alliances, who have got the isk for the initial investment. Think it doesn't make much sense, if those get extra advantages, who need it the least. So using the rorqual as a jump hauler for your not-so-uberrich corp is a way to restore the balance a bit in my eyes.
Sul Condbax Open Season	Posted - 2007.12.04 09:32:00 - [68] Originally by: Rjaiajik Kajvoril To the OP: You are an ungrateful waste of skin, people like you are why God invented face cancer. If you don't like the game, don't ******* play it. calm down dude, get a ban or something
Rjaiajik Kajvoril	Posted - 2007.12.04 09:40:00 - [69] No, I'm just in a bad mood because I may end up loosing my job in about 5 hours... it's frustrating and I've been getting out my aggression by being exceptionally blunt on the forums. Don't mean to be an ass.
Karlemgne The Black Fleet The Cosa Nostra	Posted - 2007.12.04 09:44:00 - [70] Originally by: arutu dento Edited by: arutu dento on 04/12/2007 00:07:05 ive had it with this game Can I have your stuff? Quote: sure the economy is cool the ships are cool and pvp is cool Alright, so far I'm having difficulty with your reasoning as to why you're fed up with the game. Quote: but you know what if you dont pvp ccp does nothing to for you to make this game enjoyable I see, so you want to come to this game, insert yourself in the community, and dictate to CCP how they should cater their game to fit your tastes. If you aren't into the parts of EVE that you admitted above were "cool" then perhahps another game is for you. Quote: Stuff and some whining and complaining about getting skill books. So, ah, how long have you actually been playing this game? Not long, right? Quote: empire your boned from 1 doochebag camping a gate Use a scout, take an escort, check your map, fit a stab, train for a tech two hauler. All of these things save you from a lone "douchebag" camping a gate. If you absolutely refuse to do this, and want the game changed, you are playing the wrong game, and paying for it. Quote: its rediculous that ccp made it so easy for 1 person to screw up another person in 2 seconds for what took him an entire day to do. Thats one of the things that distinguishes EVE from the dime a dozen MMOs that are on the market now. In my view, this is an asset of EVE, not a flaw. If you feel otherwise, stop paying CCP and start up a WoW account. Quote: its not even the monerary hit that bugs me What, exactly, is a "monerary?" Quote: how many times do i have to start from scratch cuz of this stupid game. As long as it takes you to stop making choices that get all of your stuff blown up, or until you quit the game. Quote: blah blah blah ive had enough Again, can I have what's left of your stuff?


CCP Hammer	Posted - 2007.12.04 10:02:00 - [71] In defense of the OP I can be a jerk sometimes.


CCP Zulupark	Posted - 2007.12.04 10:04:00 - [72] Originally by: CCP Hammer In defense of the OP I can be a jerk sometimes. I can vouch for that. Sometimes he won't share his Barbie dolls when we play.

Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2007.12.04 10:07:00 - [73] CCP: 1 - OP: 0 Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
Gabriel Karade Nulli-Secundus	Posted - 2007.12.04 10:08:00 - [74] 'hello kitty' is that way ---------- Video - 'War-Machine'
Sin Meng Gallente Helios Incorporated Insurgency	Posted - 2007.12.04 10:08:00 - [75] Originally by: CCP Hammer In defense of the OP I can be a jerk sometimes. Snap ------------------------- EVE is a sandbox with land mines, deal with it.
Zantazar Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.12.04 10:17:00 - [76] Oh dear, oh dear, whilst I think the OP has to look at the errors of his decisions in the past resulting in his losses. It is not CCP that are jerks, it is the pathetic, and if I must say disgusting comments by a large number of posters, that show them to be jerks. Have a go at the OP, of course he is wrong, but personal, and downright evil comments simply display the poster for the cowardly, nasty, horrible, cretin that they obviously are. Regards Zan I would sell my soul, my body, and my entire family for a Navy Raven. (Just kidding .... my soul is not for sale)
Comstr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.04 11:04:00 - [77] Originally by: Zantazar Have a go at the OP, of course he is wrong, but personal, and downright evil comments simply display the poster for the cowardly, nasty, horrible, cretin that they obviously are. Hey, CCP staff members are people too ya know.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2007.12.04 11:10:00 - [78] Yeah there is CLEARLY NO SPACE AT ALL for us non-pvp pilots... I quit too! or wait... are we playing the same game? There is loads of things to do, and loads of ways to protect yourself from those 2 seconds of life destruction, clearly you're doing something wrong...? But of course EVE may not be for everyone, maybe you was unlucky enough to end up in that group, and as you then say there is no place for you here. I wish you the best of luck in the future with whatever you move on to, sorry to see it didn't work out as wanted in New Eden but better luck next time. Fly/Walk/Drive/Run/Jump/Float/Crawl/Board/Ski/Parachute-safe. Bye bye. Secure 3rd party service ■ the Love project

Sin Meng Gallente Helios Incorporated Insurgency	Posted - 2007.12.04 11:12:00 - [79] Edited by: Sin Meng on 04/12/2007 11:12:51 Originally by: Chribba Yeah there is CLEARLY NO SPACE AT ALL for us non-pvp pilots... I quit too! or wait... are we playing the same game? There is loads of things to do, and loads of ways to protect yourself from those 2 seconds of life destruction, clearly you're doing something wrong...? But of course EVE may not be for everyone, maybe you was unlucky enough to end up in that group, and as you then say there is no place for you here. I wish you the best of luck in the future with whatever you move on to, sorry to see it didn't work out as wanted in New Eden but better luck next time. Fly/Walk/Drive/Run/Jump/Float/Crawl/Board/Ski/Parachute-safe. Bye bye. Chribba's logic perfectly strikes you, renewing your wow subscription. ------------------------- EVE is a sandbox with land mines, deal with it.
Levin Cavil Applied Eugenics Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.12.04 11:19:00 - [80] Originally by: Janu Hull Originally by: Cailais If you are asking for new types of Blockade Runners, say versions that are larger with heavier armor, or weaponry then Id say yes, EVE probably does need such 'Combat Merchant' vessels. Those are referred to as "q-ships". They look all yummy and civilian, and really do carry a little cargo, but under the sheep skin, there's a wolf awaiting. Already got them. Keep on flaming lamers, just like your ships when we ended you.

ElCoCo KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.04 11:22:00 - [81] I agree wit da op. Hammer admitted it so it must be true. Rock on brosef!
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.04 11:26:00 - [82] Is "bunch" the right collective noun for jerks? I always thought it was "circle". Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
SeismicForce Clear Horizon Industries	Posted - 2007.12.04 11:31:00 - [83] Originally by: CCP Hammer In defense of the OP I can be a jerk sometimes. You were probably the mean piwat who bwew him ups... Originally by: Allisie In a recent interview, a dev mentioned that ships and skills cause lag and will be removed in EVE 2.
Malcanis High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.04 11:32:00 - [84] Originally by: Sul Condbax geez these "I lost all my stuffs because I'm dumb and now I'm quitting because CCP are ebil"-threads sure do pop up often these days! What would we ever do without them This is because learning skills take to long. Fix those and he could have quit in 5 months, not 6... CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Malcanis High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.04 11:35:00 - [85] Originally by: Avon Is "bunch" the right collective noun for jerks? I always thought it was "circle". It's actually a fap of jerks. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Deaf Luggage Minmatar The Feminists	Posted - 2007.12.04 11:49:00 - [86] Edited by: Deaf Luggage on 04/12/2007 11:52:23 Edited by: Deaf Luggage on 04/12/2007 11:50:37 Originally by: mechtech The rules are set out for you. Eve is risk vs reward, and I've gotta tell you something, there is NEVER no risk. When you know what you're doing this is not the case. Quote: It's a cut throat environment. It's pretend. It's has unwritten rules that you can learn, and then you're safe. Yes, safe, not just safer. In other words, it's a game, and one you can beat. It pretends to be cut throat, so players can feel all elite and empowered, and have fun with that.
Bomerang Dai Dai Hai	Posted - 2007.12.04 11:55:00 - [87] Originally by: CCP Zulupark Originally by: CCP Hammer In defense of the OP I can be a jerk sometimes. I can vouch for that. Sometimes he won't share his Barbie dolls when we play. You 2 was the ones choosing a certain color on a certain races T1 in Trinity, right?? Why have Barbie dolls when you can fly Gallente ships.
Liv Forever	Posted - 2007.12.04 12:00:00 - [88] You are kidding right! If you really feel like this then go play Sim City. CCP do too much for carebears as it is so quit whining about an essential part of what makes this fun. This game would be soooo boring if ppl whing like u got their way. If you don't like the risk then find a big corp and get them to defend you.
KISOGOKU	Posted - 2007.12.04 12:05:00 - [89] you jumped to 0.0 and lost everything i guess,sorry for your loss .This can be happen to everybody not just for you.Dont carry skill books ,put a jump clone to a station that sell skillbooks and install them then you cant lost your skill books. To carrying other things use transport ships with mwd and wcs.The thing you really need is patient.I came broke (no money ,nothing )from 0.0 1 year ago no isk ,no bs only ship i had was a ferox .I would not be where im if i did same thing you did.Contact me i may give some tips and look what we can do for frest start Originally by: arutu dento " i hit a bubble in a empty system no one was in local, only to get ambushed by a cloaked ship with drones" under what circumstances would you call this perfectly reasonable? there is no wrong way to do it.
Buyerr	Posted - 2007.12.04 12:19:00 - [90] well you do realize that even though we got spaceships, jumpdrives, ability to set up whole stations, clones, abillity to jump our mind from one clone to the next, warping, warp disrupt and warp stabs technology, we can't even make a scanner that can do a normal scan though a gate or a precise scan, or have the ability to select our warp in point in a system, nop have to be right on the gate there dude:P loled.. well i feel your pain... but the eve pvp really needs some work, there is way to little chance to defend yourself if your not camping or moving in big roaming gangs or using nano-ships (didn't you know nano-online ^^ every good pvp ship is a nano ship, if you move under 2k in any ship don't even bother unless it is a fleet or a whole gang of bs's) ^^

Hermosa Diosas The-Secret-Service Retribution.	Posted - 2007.12.04 12:22:00 - [91] ive not seen one post actually giving the guy constructive advise flame flame flame thats all your feckers do instead of helping. Stop being twts. Yes if your ****ing up skill books use a fast frig instead as skillbooks dont take any cargo space up, if you can learn them just active to learn then its in your head then it cant get lost, you can stop it and learn it later if need be. Yes i dont belive hisec is has safe as it should be, especially suicide ganking biggest exploit in the game, no point having concord as its meaninless and useless. Something CCP needs to resolve. Yes its a pain getting killed, god i know losting 200 mill ships, i do feel items are way too expensive, so ppl spend months getting that first battleship only to see it getting killed in seconds and then youhave to start all over again, which is so demoralising. And i quit the game once cos of it, thats why because of these mechanics eve will only have a set of hardcore players it will never be for the masses EVER. Tips If you hauling stuff get friends to escort you If you havent got any get in a big corp Sadly all the running about cant be helped warping everywhere is mechanics of eve, so you have to put up with that. Fit warp core stabs if hauling at least they cant scrambled you. Try fit any harderners/shield boosters etc as well so at least you can survive enough time to warp away (with WCS fitted) For small items use frigates (skillbooks) Learn the skill straight away if you can. Or at least activate the learning process. Never enter low sec. Dont bother going to systems 40 jumps away if your only gonna save a few isk its a waste of time. ( i dont understand why people do that)
000Hunter000 Gallente Magners Marauders	Posted - 2007.12.04 12:23:00 - [92] Edited by: 000Hunter000 on 04/12/2007 12:23:32 To the op ahwwww poor guy... grow out of it allready CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
Riho Northen Breeze	Posted - 2007.12.04 12:26:00 - [93] Originally by: CCP Zulupark Originally by: CCP Hammer In defense of the OP I can be a jerk sometimes. I can vouch for that. Sometimes he won't share his Barbie dolls when we play. trolled by CCP staff = win :P OP got owned
Gner Dechast Gallente Flashman Services	Posted - 2007.12.04 12:31:00 - [94] Originally by: Kyra Felann Here, this game might be more your type. Is that really a game? I can't seem to find client download or even any mention of minimum requirements ...curious how long would it take to be banned there going around stabbing randomly other players in the head. Meh, no way to test then... Originally by: CCP Zulupark Originally by: CCP Hammer In defense of the OP I can be a jerk sometimes. I can vouch for that. Sometimes he won't share his Barbie dolls when we play. Fist (knife?) fights over Barbies is the first feasible explanation why the patch day is Wednesday instead of the traditional Tuesday. I'd give you mine, but it's stabbed several times and you may not want it...
Kyusoath Orillian Northern Intelligence Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.12.04 12:35:00 - [95] Originally by: Geren Basbar You are made of fail. QFT
Karma Gallente Vortex Incorporated	Posted - 2007.12.04 12:36:00 - [96] if you can't take the heat... stay in high-sec.
Ryoji Tanakama Caldari Daikoku Fleet Shipyards	Posted - 2007.12.04 12:43:00 - [97] Originally by: arutu dento Edited by: arutu dento on 04/12/2007 00:07:05 ive had it with this game, sure the economy is cool the ships are cool and pvp is cool but you know what if you dont pvp ccp does nothing to for you to make this game enjoyable lets say you want to do industrial work you spend half a year or more getting your mining barge together you have to make trips all the time to empire to get your skill books cuz of the ore you refine and constantly have to hual a little at a time its fine if you in your own system but if you need to hual stuff from empire your boned from 1 doochebag camping a gate its rediculous that ccp made it so easy for 1 person to screw up another person in 2 seconds for what took him an entire day to do. its not even the monerary hit that bugs me its the time i spent flying ALL over empire to get the nessary items and get that all taken away in 2 seconds and be unable to do anything about it. wheres the fairness? how many times do i have to start from scratch cuz of this stupid game. why the hell do i have to sit and take it up the ass? is it so hard to give me an assload or armour and shields? why is it so easy? sure you kill a hualer the loot is yours thats fair but then stuff that is essential to your progress also gets thrown out the window its like ccp wants to spit on ever step of progress you make. you can neither run nor defend nor fight just carry stuff have it stolen and repeat **** you dont even get a fair warning. im like a work horse who had his eyes and ears burnt out and my tendons cut so i cant even run away in the dark ive had enough Real null-low-sec industrialists friend tank. ~Ryoji Tanakama Daikoku Fleet Shipyards
Raneru Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny	Posted - 2007.12.04 12:45:00 - [98] I predict a rise in the number of these threads after the new engine has started attracting more new people
N1fty Amarr Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2007.12.04 12:46:00 - [99] Originally by: Raneru I predict a rise in the number of these threads after the new engine has started attracting more new people TURKEY SHOOT! á ============================================
Hakar Kerarmor Gallente Arctic Productions	Posted - 2007.12.04 14:56:00 - [100] I suggest this game: http://www.progressquest.com/

Majestik Gallente Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2007.12.04 15:41:00 - [101] Originally by: Hermosa Diosas ive not seen one post actually giving the guy constructive advise flame flame flame thats all your feckers do instead of helping. Stop being tw*ts. I think all of this has been mentioned. Including myself but mostly common sense stuff. Also his topic says "ccp are a bunch of jerks". His post begins with "ive had enough with this game" Whines in between..... His post ends with "ive had enough" Some people overlooked this and gave advice and some did not. Maybe because he seems to have given up anyway.
Cease n'Desist	Posted - 2007.12.04 16:43:00 - [102] Originally by: CCP Zulupark Originally by: CCP Hammer In defense of the OP I can be a jerk sometimes. I can vouch for that. Sometimes he won't share his Barbie dolls when we play. That's what she said....
Assmodean Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2007.12.04 17:11:00 - [103] Originally by: arutu dento Edited by: arutu dento on 04/12/2007 00:07:05 ive had it with this game, sure the economy is cool the ships are cool and pvp is cool but you know what if you dont pvp ccp does nothing to for you to make this game enjoyable lets say you want to do industrial work you spend half a year or more getting your mining barge together you have to make trips all the time to empire to get your skill books cuz of the ore you refine and constantly have to hual a little at a time its fine if you in your own system but if you need to hual stuff from empire your boned from 1 doochebag camping a gate its rediculous that ccp made it so easy for 1 person to screw up another person in 2 seconds for what took him an entire day to do. its not even the monerary hit that bugs me its the time i spent flying ALL over empire to get the nessary items and get that all taken away in 2 seconds and be unable to do anything about it. wheres the fairness? how many times do i have to start from scratch cuz of this stupid game. why the hell do i have to sit and take it up the ass? is it so hard to give me an assload or armour and shields? why is it so easy? sure you kill a hualer the loot is yours thats fair but then stuff that is essential to your progress also gets thrown out the window its like ccp wants to spit on ever step of progress you make. you can neither run nor defend nor fight just carry stuff have it stolen and repeat **** you dont even get a fair warning. im like a work horse who had his eyes and ears burnt out and my tendons cut so i cant even run away in the dark ive had enough was that intentional? sig coming soon...
Leroy Payne	Posted - 2007.12.04 17:19:00 - [104]
Barbens	Posted - 2007.12.04 17:23:00 - [105] Eyeballs are your friends. Corp mates are your friends. Jumping blind into a system where you can get killed is not your friend. BaRbEnS
Karlemgne The Black Fleet The Cosa Nostra	Posted - 2007.12.04 18:35:00 - [106] Originally by: CCP Zulupark Originally by: CCP Hammer In defense of the OP I can be a jerk sometimes. I can vouch for that. Sometimes he won't share his Barbie dolls when we play. That's messed up. He should share his Barbies with you. -K
Karma Gallente Vortex Incorporated	Posted - 2007.12.04 21:10:00 - [107] Originally by: Karlemgne Originally by: CCP Zulupark Originally by: CCP Hammer In defense of the OP I can be a jerk sometimes. I can vouch for that. Sometimes he won't share his Barbie dolls when we play. That's messed up. He should share his Barbies with you. /signed. not sharing the Barbies is just plain unfriendly. of course, you could always go out and buy some GI Joes. if your paycheck from CCP can cover it, that is?


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