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General Cane Federation of Synthetic Persons	Posted - 2007.12.09 01:34:00 - [301] Someone should send tons of customer relationship training gift certificates to iceland... no official response, nothing...
d026 THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:31:00 - [302] so whats going on? can we jump now?
Baske Space-Bar	Posted - 2007.12.09 03:09:00 - [303] We still miss a report on this issue.... It's becoming VERY annoying that CCP simply ignores this problem, almost to an extent of denying it's existance. A few questions are raised. 1. Can we jump now without loss? 2. Will we get our implants back in clone, or as lose items...IE, if we lose current clone, do we then also lose any chance to get implants back? Come on CCP. This is a problem YOU made, and only YOU can fix. So get to it !
northwesten Amarr Trinity Corporate Services	Posted - 2007.12.09 04:27:00 - [304] I am reply surprised that they haven't made a response to this! Many Question can we jump now and no answer! Come on CCP! give us some sort of info what's happening. I cant play this game alot now because i am limited what i can do. Trinity Corporate Services
northwesten Amarr Trinity Corporate Services	Posted - 2007.12.09 04:28:00 - [305] Originally by: General Cane Someone should send tons of customer relationship training gift certificates to iceland... no official response, nothing... I sending them to Africa! Iceland just need beer! CHEAP beer Trinity Corporate Services
Boomershoot Caldari Insurgent New Eden Tribe Deus Ex.	Posted - 2007.12.09 08:41:00 - [306] they're not ignoring the problem, they're trying to fix it along with the ocean of bug that this patch caused i'm just happy i JC'ed in the implant one before the patch, at least i have my training time :\| Originally by: 'CCP Nozh' We did not expect the requests to prematurely end dear Zulupark's existence in this universe, some of which were very imaginative
Sartaron Amarr LEGI0N SOUL CARTEL	Posted - 2007.12.09 08:42:00 - [307] So thats how to treat customers.... Good to know, what we are really worth to you, CCP!
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Infinity Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.09 09:13:00 - [308] They are not ignoring. Its simply SUNDAY! I don 't know about iceland, but in some countries its simply ilegal to make people work on sundays. Wait till monday to see what they say. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Eyam Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.09 09:40:00 - [309] Hi, I would also like an official response from CCP .. take the points about it being a Sunday/the weekend/they're very busy ... but all the same, I might have hoped they would have some sort of coverage. The game's on 23/7 after all, I've always expected that they work shifts. That aside ... they want info, so does everyone. I (for one) have just successfully clone jumped. I was in Auvergne in a clone with five plus 5 implants, & jumped to Grinacanne into a clone with five plus 4 implants & 5 hardwirings. When I arrived, I immediately checked character sheet & found all implants still in place, both in the clone I'd just jumped into, & the clone I'd just left. Phew. I then restarted training & found it was taking much longer than it ought to complete current skill. I then checked my attributes - & found them all in the 18-19 range, despite my character sheet showing I was in plus 4s :( However, after relogging I found my attributes were correctly showing as in the 22-23 range, & my training time to have reduced to reflect this. So, jump cloning seems slightly buggy, but safe. Unless I was just lucky (& Eyam never gets lucky). Official response would still be nice, please. Eyam.
C Duggan Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.09 10:50:00 - [310] Originally by: Kagura Nikon They are not ignoring. Its simply SUNDAY! I don 't know about iceland, but in some countries its simply ilegal to make people work on sundays. Wait till monday to see what they say. hate to state the obvious, but patch day was WEDNESDAY, and it is perfectly legal to employ people on THURSDAY, FRIDAY and SATURDAY. and i dont know about other people, but if i know i have tomorrow off work, i have a list of things that i need to sort before i go home today. i guess a simple post from one of the GM's is alot to ask tho, i mean, it would be all of 5 minutes out of their day to appease alot of unhappy customers :( _________________________________________

Ash Vincetti Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.12.09 12:30:00 - [311] Can those who have lost implants while jumping to a new clone confirm the following? 1) Did Your Initial Clone have implants Installed? 1a) Did you loose the implants from the Initial Clone? 2) Did your Target Clone have implants installed? 2a) Did you loose the implants from the Target Clone? So far, from checking a few corpmante's experiences, and from reading the forums a bit, the following seems to be the pattern: * if 1) is true, and 2) is also true, then 2a is the result (i.e. when jumping between two clones with implants installed, implants are lost from the target clone). * Jumping from a clone with implants to a clone without implants appears to work. * Jumping from a clone without implants to a clone with implants appears to work. ----- free bree!
Kerdrak 3B Legio IX Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.09 12:37:00 - [312] Originally by: Ash Vincetti Can those who have lost implants while jumping to a new clone confirm the following? 1) Did Your Initial Clone have implants Installed? YES 1a) Did you loose the implants from the Initial Clone? NO 2) Did your Target Clone have implants installed? YES 2a) Did you loose the implants from the Target Clone? All but 1 implant are lost. ________________________________________
Xordan Caldari Meridian Dynamics FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.09 12:58:00 - [313] Fine, to be a bit more useful. The clone I jumped FROM had: +3 (Basic) implants in slots 1-4 and a +4 (Standard) in slot 5. These are still there. The clone I jumped TO had: +4 (Standard) in slots 1-5. After jumping I was left with a +4 (Standard) in slot 2, the rest are now empty.
Zenst Gallente Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.12.09 13:05:00 - [314] Originally by: Baske We still miss a report on this issue.... It's becoming VERY annoying that CCP simply ignores this problem, almost to an extent of denying it's existance. A few questions are raised. 1. Can we jump now without loss? 2. Will we get our implants back in clone, or as lose items...IE, if we lose current clone, do we then also lose any chance to get implants back? Come on CCP. This is a problem YOU made, and only YOU can fix. So get to it ! QFT
Zenst Gallente Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.12.09 13:09:00 - [315] Edited by: Zenst on 09/12/2007 13:12:58 Edited by: Zenst on 09/12/2007 13:11:07 D E A R C C P, C A N Y O U R E A D A N D R E P L Y W I T H A O F F I C I A L A N S W E A R I N S T E A D O F G O I N G D O W N H I L L. TIA. PS A necrophiliacs partner would be more responsive than you are currently, wich is totaly lamentable and makes us all look like people asking about air-miles with bin-laden airlines. :\
Eyam Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.09 13:47:00 - [316] Hi, When I clone jumped at 9:35 today, my implants were safe (see my earlier post). Others had said earlier in this thread that this is a fixed problem, or I wouldn't have risked it. So, if you're posting to say you've lost your implants, please say when this occurred so people can know whether or not it's now safe. Thanks. Eyam.
Nurmana	Posted - 2007.12.09 13:56:00 - [317] Originally by: Kerdrak Originally by: Ash Vincetti Can those who have lost implants while jumping to a new clone confirm the following? 1) Did Your Initial Clone have implants Installed? YES 1a) Did you loose the implants from the Initial Clone? NO 2) Did your Target Clone have implants installed? YES 2a) Did you loose the implants from the Target Clone? All but 1 implant are lost. same happend to me, target clone lost all +4 ones beside the memory one, slot2. I filed a petition like mentioned in this thread, but because i train a rank8 skill to 5 i needed new implants asap, and already got me 2 new ones (in target clone). lets hope ccp doesnt simply "overwrite" the ones i buyed today. i also hope they somehow keep track what had been installed in the clones, because the potential to abuse here is obvious.... hey, ccp, i just lost a full grade snake set, all of them... oh, and some hardwirings (me looks at wishlist) uhuh....
Kruel Blunt Force Syndicate	Posted - 2007.12.09 14:04:00 - [318] Well I got tired of waiting for an official response. I clone jumped from my clone that got jacked (only 1 hardwire remains) into my +4 clone and I didn't lose any more. Btw thanks a LOT CCP for being so communicative and helpful on this issue. </sarcasm>
Zenst Gallente Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.12.09 14:16:00 - [319] Originally by: Nurmana <SNIP> i also hope they somehow keep track what had been installed in the clones, because the potential to abuse here is obvious.... hey, ccp, i just lost a full grade snake set, all of them... oh, and some hardwirings (me looks at wishlist) uhuh.... They can be tracked as all items can (well cept ammo as per change while back now). It would also be possible via a dB query to identy exactly WHO was effected and WHAT they lost and when. Though would need warehoused copy of jumpclones prior to jumps (snapshot prior to patch would cover 99% of those effected apart from those that installed implants and then clone jumped twice - but generaly covers the lions share easily). Anyhow Basicly CCP can not only prove you abused the petition system about saying you had snakes but would and should also slap you bugtime for such an abuse as it would effect legite cases and last time I looked scamming CCP/GM's was not allowed unless there docked in Jita and waving Tech 3 mining lasers (sic). That said It support standards like ITIL all sadly work from a event basis and therefore go against any form of proactive problem solving. As such we live in a World were unless a probelm has been a issue its not treated with any real care and we have QA departments that realy for all effect test known/previous issues and by process alone get prevented from findinging there own probelms before they become events/issues. You also get to keep root-cause anaylsts in work who's life is to document all the known fallout into a way that will impact the SLA the least. Basicly they are not troubleshooters but sudo lawyers with a good command of written language and contract law. There job is for all effect more damage limitation than being alowed to just tell the facts, which is painful who alot or anybody who cares about there work/profession. Basicly IT got hijacked by accountants in the mid 90's to the extent that its all about accounting for what has happened and what you want to do more than actualy making it work. Engineers/techs put there finger in the air and know it will work and take X amount of time but accountancy forces it to take twice as much time due to all the burocratic hurdles. I once was able to get some hardware sorted in minutes by grabbing the head accountant and telling him that his PC owuld be dead come monday unless he brought this kit. Had it been 1000 users then he would of said fill in the forms and submit the request for the review commity.... You see the trend we live in. CCP is a company and as such are forced into this trend. Though less than most, which is worth a thought, but still; The bigger they are the more internal overheads generated from the likes of accounts/marketing and HR all empire building
Caine Rebirth	Posted - 2007.12.09 14:57:00 - [320] hehe, srry to say this but I laugh at you folks asking for an "offical" word, you all must be nooBs... Since when has CCP ever "rushed" to keep their customers happy?

Buyerr	Posted - 2007.12.09 15:33:00 - [321] Originally by: Caine Rebirth hehe, srry to say this but I laugh at you folks asking for an "offical" word, you all must be nooBs... Since when has CCP ever "rushed" to keep their customers happy? loled exactly :P
Baske Space-Bar	Posted - 2007.12.09 15:38:00 - [322] Originally by: Kagura Nikon They are not ignoring. Its simply SUNDAY! I don 't know about iceland, but in some countries its simply ilegal to make people work on sundays. Wait till monday to see what they say. Problem didn't arise today dude....
Admiral Nova Strike Team Nova	Posted - 2007.12.09 15:41:00 - [323] Petition has been successful in returning lost implants due to this, clarification on if it's ok to JC now is not given....
tyrol E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.12.09 17:49:00 - [324] Originally by: Kerdrak Originally by: Ash Vincetti Can those who have lost implants while jumping to a new clone confirm the following? 1) Did Your Initial Clone have implants Installed? YES 1a) Did you loose the implants from the Initial Clone? NO 2) Did your Target Clone have implants installed? YES 2a) Did you loose the implants from the Target Clone? All but 1 implant are lost. same here
northwesten Amarr Trinity Corporate Services	Posted - 2007.12.09 18:05:00 - [325] wait how can they keep track? If they can keep logs of implants then in the past reinbustments mean i want my implants back when i lost my implants to bugs and lag. in short i get my ship back but didn't get implants back? and now you can get implants back? Trinity Corporate Services
Tia Too	Posted - 2007.12.09 18:22:00 - [326] I found this in th Patch Notes section in 'Under Development' "Implants are sometimes lost when doing a clone jump, the circumstances where this happens are still unknown but are being investigated. Any additional info on this is appreciated." /TT
Naxias	Posted - 2007.12.09 19:09:00 - [327] Originally by: Tia Too Edited by: Tia Too on 09/12/2007 18:34:01 I found this in th Patch Notes section in 'Known issues' "Implants are sometimes lost when doing a clone jump, It's the word "sometimes" that still concerns me. We have anecdotal statements now that it's safe to clone jump. But the "sometimes" component concerns me still. Anyone else still concerned?
Sartaron Amarr LEGI0N SOUL CARTEL	Posted - 2007.12.09 19:13:00 - [328] Originally by: tyrol Originally by: Kerdrak 1) Did Your Initial Clone have implants Installed? YES 1a) Did you loose the implants from the Initial Clone? NO 2) Did your Target Clone have implants installed? YES 2a) Did you loose the implants from the Target Clone? All but 1 implant are lost. Smae here. The one that was not lost was a +4 memory imp
Da Ram	Posted - 2007.12.09 20:37:00 - [329] Now, after 3 days I am really just waiting for a GM to have the balls to tell me that "the logs show nothing". I wonder how all this will work out but I am sourly aware that all I can do is shake my impotent fist holding my creditcard at the sky and probably achieve nothing. Once you subscribe to this game there is zilch you can do if something goes badly wrong. The advice that I may quit in case I dont like it amounts to (ingame)suicide at best and thus is void. Ram
Illyria Ambri RennTech	Posted - 2007.12.09 21:22:00 - [330] Originally by: Kerdrak Originally by: Ash Vincetti Can those who have lost implants while jumping to a new clone confirm the following? 1) Did Your Initial Clone have implants Installed? Yes 4x +4's 1a) Did you loose the implants from the Initial Clone? No 2) Did your Target Clone have implants installed? Yes 1x +4 and 1x +3 2a) Did you loose the implants from the Target Clone? No watches theory take a few bullets to the hull ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Here come the Drums!! - The Master



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