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Nephilyte	Posted - 2007.12.06 16:45:00 - [121] Originally by: Rells Originally by: Tyralon It's obviously unfortunate that some people have lost files and money because of the patch, but people should think carefully about it before suing. If CCP was made bankrupt because of legal action and we all lost Eve it would be an even greater tragedy. I doubt there are many Eve users who lost enough due to the patch to want this to happen. No fear. The case wouldn't even pass the laugh test in court. No one lost data unless they reformatted their system without trying to repair the problem. Furthermore, if they had critical data on the computer they should have backed it up. If some idiot reformatted his drive removing critical data without exploring other alternatives, then he has no case. The burden of gross negligence is quite high and a likely typo would not qualify. This is analogous to a bulb blowing on your car because it was faulty and you knowing that the bulb was blown and having a fix chose not to employ it and got in a car accident. Anybody who has the technical capability to reformat, reinstall windows, sort out all their drivers, at least to a good enough level that they have internet access and have free availability to whine on internet spaceship forums, should also have the technical capability to find a spare/friends computer, type the error message that originally made them think about reformatting windows in, and find the easy fix. Ofcourse, these should also be the people that know that they SHOULD have backups of their important files... cough.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.12.06 16:45:00 - [122] Edited by: Plutoinum on 06/12/2007 16:45:30 Originally by: FHPhantom The ginger magician scandel, to the stolen bpu's etc to now, what next ok, can we just know if its safe to play this anymore. a formal investigation is nessasary before we all get fucccccccckeed here. It's almost too late. We are all doomed, we just don't know it yet. Some people are afraid of an asteroid that might hit the earth 2029, but they totally overlook the danger that is CCP.
Daedrin Dremora	Posted - 2007.12.06 16:46:00 - [123] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: FHPhantom Edited by: FHPhantom on 06/12/2007 16:23:14 Edited by: FHPhantom on 06/12/2007 16:22:39 Originally by: Ardemire Or do they have class action scramblers? Will the eula protect them? Because personaly I would hate to see CCP go under, even if this is possibly the biggest MMO botch ever. thats why from reuters to every loacal media org have been contacted. No they cant sweep it away now or ban us paid players for speaking truth this will only aid our defense of this invasion of privacy. and destruction of our pc's and lost data pictures that will never be replaced. Lost data pictures indeed roflmao
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.12.06 16:47:00 - [124] Originally by: FHPhantom Edited by: FHPhantom on 06/12/2007 16:38:26 Originally by: Rells Ridiculous. If this was possible Microsoft would have been out of business long ago. People are just posturing to prove that Internet Anonymity makes some people complete morons. Not only would you have to prove that you lost something, which they could torpedo easily with the fix procedures, you would have to prove that they did it through gross negligence rather than the more likely scenario that a typo such as './' should have been used rather than '/'. Numerous superior courts in the EU have concluded that software bugs that are correctible without loss can not be considered grounds for damages. no one is pointing fingers. Ask yourself this is you employ a bus driver and he comes to work and crashes the bus and kills everyone who is responsable. 1) The bus driver is primarily responsible unless the plaintiff can conclusively prove that the company willingly employed someone they knew to have issues driving. 2) Suits such as this are primarily settled out of court not for reasons of liability but publicity. 3) No one was killed. 4) No one was killed. 5) No one was killed. Got that through your head yet? Some people lost a file less than a kilobyte in length which was easily replaceable with 15 min of work. Stop comparing that to someone being killed. Originally by: FHPhantom you make ccp proud your loyal as can be, yet u pay them. Your a bastian of CCP's integrity. Youralso not thinking this hurt alot of players we pay just as you. And why is that so hard for u to understand. So next time you goto the store and buy something tell them to break first before they give it to you and say nothing. Because you are a cry baby and potentially an opportunist trying to milk this for all you can from CCP and you are full of it. The fact is that its a minor typo, a minor bug and the patch was pulled INSTANTLY when it was discovered. I play this game because it is fun, and also because I get to shoot idiots like you. CCP will lose my business when playing the game is no longer fun or I can no longer shoot idiots like you, not when they make a simple typo in a bloody installer. Originally by: FHPhantom The ginger magician scandel, to the stolen bpu's etc to now, what is next ok, can we just know if its safe to play this anymore. a formal investigation is nessasary before we all get fucccccccckeed here. Cause how do we pay, and right now I dont trust my personnal info with them, until something is done to correct theese breeches of integrity. Then stop playing. Cancel your account and shut up. You have the choice whether to participate in this product or not. It is not an essential service, its not the electricity required for modern living. It is merely a game and if you don't like the company then don't pay them. You have no 'rights' to play the way you want or to get what you want. Its wither CCPs way or you choose another product. I wish you the best of luck finding another MMOG that delivers FREE content patches of this magnitude and never has a bug. Four years is long enough to leave the corp interface broken!
FHPhantom Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.12.06 16:49:00 - [125] Originally by: FHPhantom Originally by: FHPhantom Originally by: Rells The burden of gross negligence is quite high and a likely typo would not qualify. This is analogous to a bulb blowing on your car because it was faulty and you knowing that the bulb was blown and having a fix chose not to employ it and got in a car accident. they paying you to debunk this or not rells. bro dont know you from the man in the moon but if you think this was nothing you have some bad ethics. or mayby get beat up alott in school. Sorry bro but when im wronged or others I stand up for the truth and fact, not your bs fictional attempt to assighn yourself official CCP debunker, cause you think it will get you respect or a free month play. well quote theese as well Mr helper
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.06 16:50:00 - [126] Ok, I've got it, the utimate analogy: You are on top of a building. Some idiot knocks the ladder over, you have no way down. Do you: a) Call for help, so someone can put the ladder back for you? b) Jump off the roof and break both your legs, and then try to sue the guy who knocked the ladder for breaking your legs? - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Zenst Gallente Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.12.06 16:51:00 - [127] Ok, simple fact that they didn't tell you to run as Administrator might be huge factor here. Basicly, you have more chance in sueing Microsoft than CCP over this, indeed technicaly CCP have more of a legal right to sue you over this. Welcome to the World of good lawyers and being one of the little people. But as a rule - backup dont up. This education has been brought to you by the letters C and P :).
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.12.06 16:52:00 - [128] Originally by: FHPhantom Originally by: FHPhantom Originally by: Rells The burden of gross negligence is quite high and a likely typo would not qualify. This is analogous to a bulb blowing on your car because it was faulty and you knowing that the bulb was blown and having a fix chose not to employ it and got in a car accident. they paying you to debunk this or not rells. bro dont know you from the man in the moon but if you think this was nothing you have some bad ethics. or mayby get beat up alott in school. Sorry bro but when im wronged or others I stand up for the truth and fact, not your bs fictional attempt to assighn yourself official CCP debunker, cause you think it will get you respect or a free month play. All three of my accounts were renewed a month ago for a year. And if you don't know me or my corporation in this game then you are a bloody newbie that doesn't have a clue. As for me getting beat up a lot, my corp is based out of 6nj8-v in venal, you are welcome to come try and beat us up. We need the targets. I don't have any problem jumping on CCPs case when there is a reason. I have done so many times in the past. What you are doing is spewing legal nonsense that is just laughable in the extreme and making an idiot of yourself. Your uninformed drivel needs to be countered. Anyone having an issue with this problem is welcome to come to our web site (click my sig) and get help from agony pilots. Four years is long enough to leave the corp interface broken!
FHPhantom Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.12.06 16:53:00 - [129] Originally by: Zenst Ok, simple fact that they didn't tell you to run as Administrator might be huge factor here. Basicly, you have more chance in sueing Microsoft than CCP over this, indeed technicaly CCP have more of a legal right to sue you over this. Welcome to the World of good lawyers and being one of the little people. But as a rule - backup dont up. This education has been brought to you by the letters C and P :). this drink for a lage galss of STFU has been brought to you free
FHPhantom Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.12.06 16:55:00 - [130] Originally by: Rells Originally by: FHPhantom Originally by: FHPhantom Originally by: Rells The burden of gross negligence is quite high and a likely typo would not qualify. This is analogous to a bulb blowing on your car because it was faulty and you knowing that the bulb was blown and having a fix chose not to employ it and got in a car accident. they paying you to debunk this or not rells. bro dont know you from the man in the moon but if you think this was nothing you have some bad ethics. or mayby get beat up alott in school. Sorry bro but when im wronged or others I stand up for the truth and fact, not your bs fictional attempt to assighn yourself official CCP debunker, cause you think it will get you respect or a free month play. All three of my accounts were renewed a month ago for a year. And if you don't know me or my corporation in this game then you are a bloody newbie that doesn't have a clue. As for me getting beat up a lot, my corp is based out of 6nj8-v in venal, you are welcome to come try and beat us up. We need the targets. I don't have any problem jumping on CCPs case when there is a reason. I have done so many times in the past. What you are doing is spewing legal nonsense that is just laughable in the extreme and making an idiot of yourself. Your uninformed drivel needs to be countered. Anyone having an issue with this problem is welcome to come to our web site (click my sig) and get help from agony pilots. I have no beef with you bro but this was a disaster this release and i just feel sorry for people that got hurt. btw I'm not a noob, but no I never heard of you.
Alrione Amarr Black Lagoon Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.06 16:55:00 - [131] OMG! Nerdrage unleashed. Seriusly guys, any of you tried to look at this from someone elses perspective? OH NOES TEXTFILE WITH 8 LINES OF CODE GOT DELETED!!!11eleventy THIS IS UNRECOVERABLE AND UNFIXABEL AND KILLS ALL MAH DATAZZZ!!! PS This is a stealth gallente baby blue whine, right? -------------------------------- :-O Sig got nerfed. Remaking >.<
LUH 3471	Posted - 2007.12.06 16:57:00 - [132] Edited by: LUH 3471 on 06/12/2007 17:00:40 i want the gallente baby blue colours chaned to pink k thx also i want to take the chance in this thread to adress another major issue we only have 4 diffrent station interriors and there is no petshop in eve
FHPhantom Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.12.06 16:58:00 - [133] Originally by: Alrione OMG! Nerdrage unleashed. Seriusly guys PS This is a stealth gallente baby blue whine, right? p.s me and rells would fuccccccc***e u up in battle so watch your mouth we arent nerds ok, but we have opionion's just like aholes that you seem similar too. chill let the resonable players speak.
Gaven Blands	Posted - 2007.12.06 16:58:00 - [134] Well if there is any danger that CCP are going to be giving out compensation, either in the form of isk, sp, or GTC, then I would like to state at this time, that all 3 of my PC's have been killed by this bug, and that the mental anguish it causes me has lead to a breakdown of my family unit. My kids have been taken into care, the wife left me for a hot young Vista user toyboy, I've lost my job, and even my dog has walked out on me. I couldn't possibly hope to get my life back on track without say oooh, 90 days GTC for free, you know where to send it. Cheers love... If there is no danger of CCP giving out compensation, I would like to state at this time, that YOU are NOOB for installing it. Fancy getting released software the moment it is released, do you get iPods on the day of release, or iPhones? No of course not, they will be riddled with bugs. And centipedes. And jeeeesus, don't you keep a backup of your WHOLE machine, up to date, for when this sort of thing happens? omfg, you are SUCH a loser. I'm much better than you. Which isn't that hard. Because you are not very good at all. If you were as smart and uber as me, your boot.ini would have survived in low sec just fine. Go Back To WOW. My actual opinion is located somewhere in between those two. Roughly in the middle. -- Awwwww Diddums! Did I wardec your highsec alt recently or something?
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.12.06 17:01:00 - [135] Edited by: Rells on 06/12/2007 17:02:30 Originally by: FHPhantom I have no beef with you bro but this was a disaster this release and i just feel sorry for people that got hurt. btw I'm not a noob, but no I never heard of you. Sympathy for those with problems is fine and laudable. The solution to that should be to take action to help them as we have done, not come spew legal nonsense on the Eve-O forums. Participation in this product is a choice and you have to make that choice for yourself. However, unless you know the relevant laws (I do) then just shut up about lawsuits and so on. As for Agony, we have been one of the most famous organizations in the game for a while, in the alliance tournament, advertised in EON, was profiled in the last EON and have been training newer players to PVP for nearly two years. If you haven't heard of us, you need to get out more. Originally by: FHPhantom Originally by: Alrione OMG! Nerdrage unleashed. Seriusly guys PS This is a stealth gallente baby blue whine, right? p.s me and rells would fuccccccc***e u up in battle so watch your mouth we arent nerds ok, but we have opionion's just like aholes that you seem similar too. chill let the resonable players speak. Don't try and speak for me young one. Especially about PvP which you clearly see as a contest of measuring body parts. Speak for yourself if you wish but you require permission from others to speak for them. Four years is long enough to leave the corp interface broken!
FHPhantom Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.12.06 17:04:00 - [136] Originally by: Rells If you haven't heard of us, you need to get out more. Not a question of getting out bro but why get trained when your a master of the game already, on that I go play fifa 08
Alrione Amarr Black Lagoon Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.06 17:05:00 - [137] Originally by: FHPhantom p.s me and rells would fuccccccc***e u up in battle so watch your mouth we arent nerds ok, but we have opionion's just like aholes that you seem similar too. chill let the resonable players speak. So incredibly mature and intelligent part of EVE playerbase strugled at fixing probably one of the simpliest issues? Oh and yes im an ahole, unlike you I refrain from bashing CCP left and right and just use my head if something goes wqrong with my pc. -------------------------------- :-O Sig got nerfed. Remaking >.<
Daedrin Dremora	Posted - 2007.12.06 17:07:00 - [138] Originally by: FHPhantom Originally by: Rells If you haven't heard of us, you need to get out more. Not a question of getting out bro but why get trained when your a master of the game already, on that I go play fifa 08 You're already playing FIFA- "Frequently ignorant forum ass"
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.12.06 17:08:00 - [139] Originally by: FHPhantom Originally by: Rells If you haven't heard of us, you need to get out more. Not a question of getting out bro but why get trained when your a master of the game already, on that I go play fifa 08 There is only one thing you are a master of and its not this game. I suspect your mastery has something to do with preparing a line for fishing. (he wont get the joke) Hell, Im not sure Im a master of it and I have been playing for four years on 3 different main characters and god knows how many alts. People get trained because Eve PvP is hard. You go back to Fifa 08. Thats shallow enough to be about the right speed for ya. If it gives you more pleasure then for god's sake go back and stop spewing nonsense here. Four years is long enough to leave the corp interface broken!
Daedrin Dremora	Posted - 2007.12.06 17:10:00 - [140] Originally by: Rells Originally by: FHPhantom Originally by: Rells If you haven't heard of us, you need to get out more. Not a question of getting out bro but why get trained when your a master of the game already, on that I go play fifa 08 There is only one thing you are a master of and its not this game. I suspect your mastery has something to do with preparing a line for fishing. (he wont get the joke) Hell, Im not sure Im a master of it and I have been playing for four years on 3 different main characters and god knows how many alts. People get trained because Eve PvP is hard. You go back to Fifa 08. Thats shallow enough to be about the right speed for ya. If it gives you more pleasure then for god's sake go back and stop spewing nonsense here. I bait fishing poles well, too.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.06 17:17:00 - [141] Originally by: Daedrin Dremora Originally by: FHPhantom Originally by: Rells If you haven't heard of us, you need to get out more. Not a question of getting out bro but why get trained when your a master of the game already, on that I go play fifa 08 You're already playing FIFA- "Frequently ignorant forum ass" Can I have your babies? If they have 1/10th your win they will rule the world Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.12.06 17:33:00 - [142] Edited by: Plutoinum on 06/12/2007 17:33:29 If anything, this reminds us to have the windows cd or a recovery disk close, make backups of important data and that we shouldn't execute anything with administrator/root privileges, if we are not prepaired to deal with it, in case something goes wrong. Although CCP has screwed up, I think they are probably safe via the EULA. I mean, if the OS istself is buggy, M$ isn't liable either. There is no bug-free complex piece of software anyway, so you always need to be prepaired that something goes wrong.
Troye Gallente Strix Armaments and Defence	Posted - 2007.12.06 17:37:00 - [143] I am proper ***ed off about this but I don't* want anyone to get fired or CCP to face legal allegations. This shouldnt have happened but despite that I have alot of respect for the Devs and the unique game they've made, I almost feel sorry for them right now. _______________________________________________
Gabriel Karade Nulli-Secundus	Posted - 2007.12.06 17:40:00 - [144] Originally by: Doctor Fruitloop EULA rarely stand up in court, international trade laws superscede this. CCP would only go under if they had to pay for replacements for all the equipment they buggered or the repair fee's. I do not know of an MMO botch in this scale. They didn't 'bugger' any equipment; It was a single file that's easily replaced. As for data 'loss' it's only lost if you panic and go and nuke your HDD, but then that's your own stupidity and nothing to do with CCP, plus, if you do keep important documents, you should always always backup; HDD failure with total destruction of the data is always a possibility (some of these university kids complaining about 'lost projects' would have that drilled into them in introductory sessions about university IT services, but obviously pay no heed ). Big ball up yes, but you can see how it would have slipped through QA (I mean it was a single '\' ), just waiting to see what the head cheese has to say about it all... ---------- Video - 'War-Machine'
Gabriel Karade Nulli-Secundus	Posted - 2007.12.06 17:46:00 - [145] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Tiger313 Actually the patch didn't damage anything other then it deleted a file which your computer needs to reboot. There's a very easy solution to it: just start up with the windows cd in your cdrom player and fix. No biggie really. People whining about how they "lost" homework and/or work are being dumbarses: if you can get on here to whine then you can get to your homework or work files too. Simple. Shyte happens, you know. No need to be an arse over it. No, people whining about how they lost files or have to 'have their computer repaired' should be disallowed use of any electronic devices for the rest of their lifetimes. Computers should have the right to take out a restraining order against these people. ---------- Video - 'War-Machine'
brinelan Caldari Victory Not Vengeance Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.12.06 17:52:00 - [146] Originally by: Ardemire Or do they have class action scramblers? Will the eula protect them? Because personaly I would hate to see CCP go under, even if this is possibly the biggest MMO botch ever. OP, there have been worse.... Try weeks of not being able to play or even log in, server down etc.. -------------------------- Some days you're the bug, some days you're the windshield
Semkhet KR0M The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.12.06 17:55:00 - [147] Originally by: Rells Lot of stuff where you are sure about everything yet you can't document anything... Maybe you should check the DRM case against Sony to start with so you might get a tiny weeny clue. In their case, they did not even harm the computers directly, but rather increased their potential vulnerability to hypothetic attacks. I don't doubt a second that CCP could be sued, since anyone with money can sue anybody. The receivability of the case is a complete different matter and the outcome rather uncertain. I personally hope that CCP will not be sued for this. I am not excusing them, since the most trivial QA should have detected this problem. We are not talking about a coding error in some obscure routine but about deleting a boot-critical file. However, CCP is a start-up venture, and as such, they try to do as much they can with the money they have. They aren't EA or MS, and we are all humans. Frankly, if CCP wants to maintain a minimal image of decency, I don't see how they could continue to use the services of the individual whose lack of focus led to such monumental screw-up. So there's been enough tragedy perceived on both sides, justified or not. Let's all get over this, tomorrow will be a new day.
Buyerr	Posted - 2007.12.06 17:56:00 - [148] Originally by: Riho no.. you can sue CCP for the boot.ini thing. you accept that ccp cant be blamed for any ** that happens whit your computer when u install theyr software. anyone who will try to SUE em.. will get some nice legal ** to deal whit and they will never win. im already loving the posts where ppl whine that theyr PC/laptop where they installed even is broken and they can work now :D damn stupid ppl installing games on work PCs :P actually that is not entirely correct, since you cannot make a program that crashes people's computers without any obligations just because they said yes to it, since that was not the intention of the program. as far as for suing them, FFS pull your head out of your ass, they are actually trying to help and entertain you and you want to sue them?! talk about biting the hand that feeds you .... idiots...
Kristoffer Amarr Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.12.06 18:43:00 - [149] Anyone who wants to sue CCP over this is an idiot. Anyone who installed premium without waiting for scapegoats crashing on it first is an idiot also.
ChimeraRouge Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.12.06 18:48:00 - [150] Can a Mod please lock this thread?

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