Originally by: Ardemire

---

Or do they have class action scramblers? Will the eula protect them? Because personaly I would hate to see CCP go under, even if this is possibly the biggest MMO botch ever.

---

Originally by: CCP's EULA

---

12 NO WARRANTIES
The Software, System, Game and all Game Content, and all other services and material provided in connection therewith, are provided "AS IS," with all faults, and without warranty of any kind. You assume all risk of use and all risk associated with accessing the System and playing the Game.

CCP disclaims all warranties, whether express or implied, including without limitation the warranties of merchantability, fitness for particular purpose and non-infringement. There is no warranty against interference with your enjoyment of the Game. CCP does not warrant that the operation of the System or your access to the System, or that your use of the Software, will be uninterrupted or error-free, nor that the System or Software will be compatible with your hardware and software.

While CCP attempts to have the System available at most times, CCP does not guarantee that the System will always be available, or that the System will not become unavailable during Game play. The System may become unavailable for a number of reasons, including without limitation during the performance of maintenance to the System, for the implementation of new software, for emergency situations and due to equipment or telecommunications failures.

13 DISCLAIMER OF DAMAGES
In no event shall CCP, its affiliates, licensors or suppliers be liable to you or to any third party for any special, indirect, incidental, consequential, punitive or exemplary damages (including without limitation, lost profits or lost data), arising out of or in connection with your Account, the System, Software, Game, Game Content, User Content, EULA, or any other services or materials provided in connection therewith, whether based on warranty, contract, tort or any other legal theory, and whether or not CCP is advised of the possibility of such damages, and even if any stated remedy fails of its essential purpose.

---

Originally by: Tiger313

---

Actually the patch didn't damage anything other then it deleted a file which your computer needs to reboot. There's a very easy solution to it: just start up with the windows cd in your cdrom player and fix. No biggie really. People whining about how they "lost" homework and/or work are being dumbarses: if you can get on here to whine then you can get to your homework or work files too. Simple. Shyte happens, you know. No need to be an arse over it.

---

Originally by: Kirao

---

Wow ! Who would have thought so many lawyers here eh.

And next week they will all be surgeons, astronauts or whatever fits the current topic of the day.

---

Originally by: Master Han

---

OMG! What are CCP to do?

I know, they can call Leonard J. Crabs! He is a legal expert who offers services throughout all the interwebinet. He even has his own corp ingame, Leonard J Crabs Legal Services, not to be confused w/ Leonard J. Crabs Legal Consortium.

---

Originally by: Jonny JoJo

---

Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 06/12/2007 13:32:11
CCP are not in Europe (though Iceland is part of the European Economic Area), and I doubt anyone is going to ramble a legal case that would not be thrown out by a judge.

Any prosecution would have to state why the client did not make backups, prove he made losses as well as finally providing a reasonale exceuse of why a internet spaceship game is installed on a mission critical computer.

But money can buy you court verdicts.... Just ask Michael Jackson!

---

Originally by: Ardemire

---

Or do they have class action scramblers? Will the eula protect them? Because personaly I would hate to see CCP go under, even if this is possibly the biggest MMO botch ever.

---

Originally by: Iratus Caelestis

---

Originally by: Master Han

---

OMG! What are CCP to do?

I know, they can call Leonard J. Crabs! He is a legal expert who offers services throughout all the interwebinet. He even has his own corp ingame, Leonard J Crabs Legal Services, not to be confused w/ Leonard J. Crabs Legal Consortium.

---

You win the thread.

Goons, get him in here.

---

Originally by: EULA

---

13. DISCLAIMER OF DAMAGES
In no event shall CCP, its affiliates, licensors or suppliers be liable to you or to any third party for any special, indirect, incidental, consequential, punitive or exemplary damages (including without limitation, lost profits or lost data), arising out of or in connection with your Account, the System, Software, Game, Game Content, User Content, EULA, or any other services or materials provided in connection therewith, whether based on warranty, contract, tort or any other legal theory, and whether or not CCP is advised of the possibility of such damages, and even if any stated remedy fails of its essential purpose.

14. LIMITATION OF LIABILITY
Except as set forth below, CCP's maximum liability for any and all claims arising out of or in connection with your Account, the Software, System, Game, Game Content, User Content, EULA, and any other services or materials provided in connection therewith, shall not exceed an amount equal to the value of one (1) month's subscription fees.

---

Originally by: Kassas

---

Wrong - can be challenged Verone...

---

Originally by: Tiger313

---

Actually the patch didn't damage anything other then it deleted a file which your computer needs to reboot. There's a very easy solution to it: just start up with the windows cd in your cdrom player and fix. No biggie really. People whining about how they "lost" homework and/or work are being dumbarses: if you can get on here to whine then you can get to your homework or work files too. Simple. Shyte happens, you know. No need to be an arse over it.

---

Originally by: Jonny JoJo

---

Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 06/12/2007 13:32:11
CCP are not in Europe (though Iceland is part of the European Economic Area), and I doubt anyone is going to ramble a legal case that would not be thrown out by a judge.

---

Originally by: Kirao

---

Wow ! Who would have thought so many lawyers here eh.

And next week they will all be surgeons, astronauts or whatever fits the current topic of the day.

---

Originally by: DrBiologist

---

I didnt know how to describe the things i was seeing. But I just tried another game and it does the same thing :( what could it be?

---

Originally by: Pitt Bull

---

Jack Thompson, is that you?

---

Originally by: Kiviar

---

An EULA in many countries does not constitute legal contracts. Since you have to first by the product with its EULA sight unseen and then have to accept its terms before using something you have already paid for, it is questionable at best. Throw in that in many nations an EULA violates existing consumer protection and provider obligation legislation and just become that funny little screen you have to click through to use your software.

As for suing CCP over this, you would have to have either lost an amazingly expensive amount of data, or have very deep pockets, and a lot of time on your hands.

Personally as a writer who has (at least i think so) very expensive data on my computer, I back it up in about five different places. Since computers are generally unreliable its just common sense to have important information secured safely off your C:\ drive.

Finally, I actually think CCP is fairly lucky, if Blizzard made this same mistake, whoever let it slip would be fired, and Vivendi would lose a considerable amount of money. CCP on the other hand, probably will get away with an apology, which is fine for me, since it was an accident, and they didnÆt screw up my computer.

---

Originally by: SoftRevolution

---

I've been to Internet Law School and CCP have nothing to worry about.

---

Originally by: Thrust SSC

---

Originally by: Jonny JoJo

---

Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 06/12/2007 13:32:11
CCP are not in Europe (though Iceland is part of the European Economic Area), and I doubt anyone is going to ramble a legal case that would not be thrown out by a judge.

---

Iceland is in Europe you tard.

---

Originally by: Verone

---

Originally by: Kassas

---

Wrong - can be challenged Verone...

---

True, anything can be challenged in court, but you're more likely to get struck by lightening to be honest that have any form of success.

As far as Liability is concerned for damages, loss of earnings, compensation, or anything down those lines, CCP is very, very safe.

---

Originally by: Kayna Eelai

---

Originally by: SoftRevolution

---

I've been to Internet Law School and CCP have nothing to worry about.

---

where is that school? at www.google.com?

---

Originally by: Kalazar

---

Originally by: CCP's EULA

---

12 NO WARRANTIES
The Software, System, Game and all Game Content, and all other services and material provided in connection therewith, are provided "AS IS," with all faults, and without warranty of any kind. You assume all risk of use and all risk associated with accessing the System and playing the Game.

CCP disclaims all warranties, whether express or implied, including without limitation the warranties of merchantability, fitness for particular purpose and non-infringement. There is no warranty against interference with your enjoyment of the Game. CCP does not warrant that the operation of the System or your access to the System, or that your use of the Software, will be uninterrupted or error-free, nor that the System or Software will be compatible with your hardware and software.

While CCP attempts to have the System available at most times, CCP does not guarantee that the System will always be available, or that the System will not become unavailable during Game play. The System may become unavailable for a number of reasons, including without limitation during the performance of maintenance to the System, for the implementation of new software, for emergency situations and due to equipment or telecommunications failures.

13 DISCLAIMER OF DAMAGES
In no event shall CCP, its affiliates, licensors or suppliers be liable to you or to any third party for any special, indirect, incidental, consequential, punitive or exemplary damages (including without limitation, lost profits or lost data), arising out of or in connection with your Account, the System, Software, Game, Game Content, User Content, EULA, or any other services or materials provided in connection therewith, whether based on warranty, contract, tort or any other legal theory, and whether or not CCP is advised of the possibility of such damages, and even if any stated remedy fails of its essential purpose.

---

No, you can't sue them. It's similar to going into Lowsec and complaining you lost your ship. Besides, it's not CCP's problem if you a) installed EVE on a computer that was vital to work etc and b) didn't create backups.

---

Quote:

---

be liable to you or to any third party for any special, indirect, incidental, consequential, punitive or exemplary damages

---

Originally by: SoftRevolution

---

Originally by: Kayna Eelai

---

Originally by: SoftRevolution

---

I've been to Internet Law School and CCP have nothing to worry about.

---

where is that school? at www.google.com?

---

Here.

---

Originally by: Kayna Eelai

---

Originally by: SoftRevolution

---

Originally by: Kayna Eelai

---

Originally by: SoftRevolution

---

I've been to Internet Law School and CCP have nothing to worry about.

---

where is that school? at www.google.com?

---

Here.

---

oh, then THIS must be you, right?

---

Originally by: Kiviar

---

An EULA in many countries does not constitute legal contracts. Since you have to first by the product with its EULA sight unseen and then have to accept its terms before using something you have already paid for, it is questionable at best. Throw in that in many nations an EULA violates existing consumer protection and provider obligation legislation and just become that funny little screen you have to click through to use your software.

As for suing CCP over this, you would have to have either lost an amazingly expensive amount of data, or have very deep pockets, and a lot of time on your hands.

Personally as a writer who has (at least i think so) very expensive data on my computer, I back it up in about five different places. Since computers are generally unreliable its just common sense to have important information secured safely off your C:\ drive.

Finally, I actually think CCP is fairly lucky, if Blizzard made this same mistake, whoever let it slip would be fired, and Vivendi would lose a considerable amount of money. CCP on the other hand, probably will get away with an apology, which is fine for me, since it was an accident, and they didnÆt screw up my computer.

---

Originally by: RedClaws

---

If if you could (and you can't) would you? Because well you're a major idiot if you install games on the same harddrive as "important stuff"

---

Originally by: Winterblink

---

I think they've exercised more than enough due diligence since the problem was found. The patch was pulled, and if you throw a rock in any direction you're going to hit something plastered with instructions on how to correct the problem.

People are making this out to be like they came to your house and killed your first-born.

---

Originally by: Alassra Eventide

---

Verone, your new sig is perhaps the only sig I have EVER seen that beats your old one.

Everyone needs to pay him for that amazingness.

Seriously.

---

Originally by: Winterblink

---

I think they've exercised more than enough due diligence since the problem was found. The patch was pulled, and if you throw a rock in any direction you're going to hit something plastered with instructions on how to correct the problem.

---

Originally by: Gutsani

---

eula doesnt stands a chance in court

also, to people saying that it only deleted/modified a file; isnt that exactly what virusses and spyware does?

ccp deffo have to pay up for repairs, feel free to disagree but if someone sues them over this, they are VERRY likely to win.

---

Originally by: Alassra Eventide

---

Verone, your new sig is perhaps the only sig I have EVER seen that beats your old one.

Everyone needs to pay him for that amazingness.

Seriously.

---

Originally by: KarGard

---

Originally by: Winterblink

---

I think they've exercised more than enough due diligence since the problem was found. The patch was pulled, and if you throw a rock in any direction you're going to hit something plastered with instructions on how to correct the problem.

---

Well, since this is a blatantly obvious bug in the patch, any compitent level of testing would have discovered it. So no, I don't think they performed anything remotley close to "due diligence".

I bet their test manager is going to be having a serious meeting in the near future.

---

Originally by: Valan

---

Edited by: Valan on 06/12/2007 14:19:53

Originally by: Thrust SSC

---

Originally by: Jonny JoJo

---

Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 06/12/2007 13:32:11
CCP are not in Europe (though Iceland is part of the European Economic Area), and I doubt anyone is going to ramble a legal case that would not be thrown out by a judge.

---

Iceland is in Europe Removed - Valorem

---

Geographical yes, politically no, which is exactly what he said! Would return the insult but a lack of knowledge isn't really your fault.

---

Originally by: Deirdre Sky

---

Well I must say that this boot.ini-failure is a BIG MESS! A lot of people has the right to complain, vent and smack CCP, because of what has happened.
But I must say its not the only game that has such issues. Its just hell unfortunate that THIS happened to this GREAT game also - to lose the whole OS.
I must say that the first page - http://eve-online.com/news/newsOfEve.asp?newsID=500 - striked me!
Well since I experienced such crash after a game was uninstalled I must say ... PATIENCE!!! Its hell of a crap but we still love this game!

---

Originally by: Daedrin Dremora

---

Originally by: KarGard

---

Originally by: Winterblink

---

I think they've exercised more than enough due diligence since the problem was found. The patch was pulled, and if you throw a rock in any direction you're going to hit something plastered with instructions on how to correct the problem.

---

Well, since this is a blatantly obvious bug in the patch, any compitent level of testing would have discovered it. So no, I don't think they performed anything remotley close to "due diligence".

I bet their test manager is going to be having a serious meeting in the near future.

---

You're assuming way too much about how they run their tests, or the processes they took in the development of their patch. You can speculate all you want, but it matters **** all in the realm of court.

What are you going to do, spend 500 dollars an hour hiring a lawyer (you clearly can't represent yourself, as I've yet to see a sound argument based off empirical data) to have a judge hear you and... let's see, I think I've seen maybe 10 other people ***** about this thus far, about how you A. wanted to play a game B. there was a minor problem during a particular phase C. it didn't effect everyone D. it wasn't malicious and E. they came out with several solutions to the problem that offers you no harm except a minor, economic set back or maybe 30 minute inconvenience.

The true problem is that the CCP has proven that there are individuals out there who own computers that have absolutely no clue as to what they're doing. What we should do is require folks to have knowledge about their heavy machinery before we let them operate it. A simple certification check to see that they at least have the knowledge on where to *find* solutions should be a requirement before anyone can touch a keyboard. Right now all we have is a bunch of ******s poking at bricks and bothering the few and the proud who can at least figure where to go to solve a problem they may have.

---

Originally by: Kale Kold

---

This is probably going to hurt CCP as much as the new patch was going to help them. This is a serious home goal for CCP.

---

Originally by: Snowcrash Winterheart2

---

As has been said their is a class of people out there without a clue about their computers... usually they're very belligerent and have more money than sense (I've worked for several such people lol).

It's a difficult thing, CCP could admit liability but that'd open the flood gates... or it could hide behind a EUlA of dubious enforceability. Of course it all depends on if your average EVE player affected by the boot.ini thing would want financial remuneration... or something else... such as game time to the value of <repairs>.

In some respects a minority of players getting scragged is a mea culpa type thing, I've seen Microsoft patches steamroller whole rooms of machines. Computers eh? Can't trust them, can't fly internet space ships without them.

God my spelling sucks today.

---

Originally by: Noodle Pastaman

---

I worked for a British company that programmed telephony systems, in its contract it had we are only liable for the cost of the phone system and not loss of business etc.

The company screwed up and invoked this clause, the judge threw it out as a defence and the company lost badly. UK has laws regarding 'reasonable contracts' I have no reason to believe other nations are any different.

As for legal costs, at least in the UK we have small claims court up to a few hundred pounds $1000?, the sole legal costs for a person bringing the case is a stamp!.

CCP but in fact the whole software industry will be watching this. If you put a patch on the OS you may break the OS (which is why MS official recommends backup,test servers etc), if you put a patch on a computer game you do not expect to bring down the entire system

---

Originally by: MEISAPI RAT

---

Originally by: Daedrin Dremora

---

Originally by: KarGard

---

Originally by: Winterblink

---

I think they've exercised more than enough due diligence since the problem was found. The patch was pulled, and if you throw a rock in any direction you're going to hit something plastered with instructions on how to correct the problem.

---

Well, since this is a blatantly obvious bug in the patch, any compitent level of testing would have discovered it. So no, I don't think they performed anything remotley close to "due diligence".

I bet their test manager is going to be having a serious meeting in the near future.

---

You're assuming way too much about how they run their tests, or the processes they took in the development of their patch. You can speculate all you want, but it matters **** all in the realm of court.

What are you going to do, spend 500 dollars an hour hiring a lawyer (you clearly can't represent yourself, as I've yet to see a sound argument based off empirical data) to have a judge hear you and... let's see, I think I've seen maybe 10 other people ***** about this thus far, about how you A. wanted to play a game B. there was a minor problem during a particular phase C. it didn't effect everyone D. it wasn't malicious and E. they came out with several solutions to the problem that offers you no harm except a minor, economic set back or maybe 30 minute inconvenience.

The true problem is that the CCP has proven that there are individuals out there who own computers that have absolutely no clue as to what they're doing. What we should do is require folks to have knowledge about their heavy machinery before we let them operate it. A simple certification check to see that they at least have the knowledge on where to *find* solutions should be a requirement before anyone can touch a keyboard. Right now all we have is a bunch of ******s poking at bricks and bothering the few and the proud who can at least figure where to go to solve a problem they may have.

---

Oh, I see. So, it's not CCPs fault people cant boot thier computers. Its the consumers fault for trusting a program they paid for to work. Yeah, that makes since. thx for clearing that up daedrin

---

Originally by: Malcanis

---

Originally by: Noodle Pastaman

---

I worked for a British company that programmed telephony systems, in its contract it had we are only liable for the cost of the phone system and not loss of business etc.

The company screwed up and invoked this clause, the judge threw it out as a defence and the company lost badly. UK has laws regarding 'reasonable contracts' I have no reason to believe other nations are any different.

As for legal costs, at least in the UK we have small claims court up to a few hundred pounds $1000?, the sole legal costs for a person bringing the case is a stamp!.

CCP but in fact the whole software industry will be watching this. If you put a patch on the OS you may break the OS (which is why MS official recommends backup,test servers etc), if you put a patch on a computer game you do not expect to bring down the entire system

---

If we're going to start being "reasonable", then what are "reasonable" damages for a problem that takes 10 minutes to fix?

Note that CCP are NOT responsible if you do further damage to your system because you don't know how to repair it.

---

Originally by: Daedrin Dremora

---

Originally by: Snowcrash Winterheart2

---

As has been said their is a class of people out there without a clue about their computers... usually they're very belligerent and have more money than sense (I've worked for several such people lol).

It's a difficult thing, CCP could admit liability but that'd open the flood gates... or it could hide behind a EUlA of dubious enforceability. Of course it all depends on if your average EVE player affected by the boot.ini thing would want financial remuneration... or something else... such as game time to the value of <repairs>.

In some respects a minority of players getting scragged is a mea culpa type thing, I've seen Microsoft patches steamroller whole rooms of machines. Computers eh? Can't trust them, can't fly internet space ships without them.

God my spelling sucks today.

---

I've no doubt that some recourse should be offered, but a law suit is just silly. This is analogous to a restaurant's getting your order wrong- it happens. But you don't sue the place. Yeah, it wastes your time. Yeah, it's aggrevating. Yeah, you wanted bacon but not mustard, but you know what, sometimes life gives you mustard. Corporations would be non-existent if people could sue for easily solved problems.

---

Originally by: Thebro Nobrunder

---

You might as well sue microsoft.

Who would ever create an OS where some random piece of software could destroy a vital system file?

Every OS except MSoft is immune from this sort of thing.

---

Originally by: lolzor

---

For al we know the removal of the boot.ini is a feature, the fact that you installed this software makes you liable for the damages caused.

---

Quote:

---

Pandas are the PWN of Eve. Pandas!

---

Originally by: Marcus Ailichi

---

I'm sorry, but anyone who even THINKS about suing CCP over this needs to take a chill pill, and if it doesn't work just self destruct please.

---

Originally by: Volkovic

---

This "situation" has nothing to do with "company" or corporate law. All Eve users are "consumers" (I will stick here to the EU region, which has - generally speaking - very similar statues concerning consumer protection). Since consumers are generally protected by special laws, these laws have to be applied regarding the relationship between CCP and the affected user. Taking this into account, it can generally be said, that the so called "EULA" is not going to hold up in any court I have been in or know of. This takes not into account the other valid arguments made in this tread (already paid product e.g.). All codes of law include some minimal protection for consumers, which cannot be "overruled" by any contract, especially not by some EULA.

From a legal perspective this could be an interestig case, it contains some interesting "first timers", for example the seat of CCP is in Iceland, the affected user is not (the majority at least), so issues regarding the place of venue are to be taken into account. By what kind of contract is the relationship between CCP snd user is governed by? It surely is not an license agreement (even if it is dubbed this way), more like some rental agreement.

I will stop know,

---

Originally by: Tiger313

---

Actually the patch didn't damage anything other then it deleted a file which your computer needs to reboot. There's a very easy solution to it: just start up with the windows cd in your cdrom player and fix. No biggie really. People whining about how they "lost" homework and/or work are being dumbarses: if you can get on here to whine then you can get to your homework or work files too. Simple. Shyte happens, you know. No need to be an arse over it.

---

Originally by: Naridos

---

Originally by: lolzor

---

For al we know the removal of the boot.ini is a feature, the fact that you installed this software makes you liable for the damages caused.

---

Absolutely. The fact that it was your fault for downloading the patch to begin with is your own damn fault. Quit with the *****ing about lawsuits. It is not CCPs fault for this because it was caused by you agreeing that any software or releases of CCP are not liable for any damage done to your computer, softwar, or OS for that matter.

---

Originally by: Syri Taneka

---

Edited by: Syri Taneka on 06/12/2007 13:40:55
My question is... why does an OS allow a third party program to delete its BOOT file?

If anyone should be sued, it's Microsoft, for not properly protecting their OS files.

Also, yeah, anything and everything you install is at your own risk. If you can't be bothered to properly back up your files, it's your fault, no one else's. And if people really do have EVE installed on work PCs and now can't use them... have fun explaining that to your boss. Take pictures.

---

Originally by: Daedrin Dremora

---

Originally by: Naridos

---

Originally by: lolzor

---

For al we know the removal of the boot.ini is a feature, the fact that you installed this software makes you liable for the damages caused.

---

Absolutely. The fact that it was your fault for downloading the patch to begin with is your own damn fault. Quit with the *****ing about lawsuits. It is not CCPs fault for this because it was caused by you agreeing that any software or releases of CCP are not liable for any damage done to your computer, softwar, or OS for that matter.

---

Unfortunately, people don't realize what the definition of liability or fault is. It requires a critical thinking process that people who were detrimentally effected by this problem don't have.

---

Originally by: Ardemire

---

Or do they have class action scramblers? Will the eula protect them? Because personaly I would hate to see CCP go under, even if this is possibly the biggest MMO botch ever.

---

Originally by: Cecil Montague

---

They should change that warning on entering low sec to:

"Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."

---

Originally by: FHPhantom

---

Edited by: FHPhantom on 06/12/2007 16:23:14
Edited by: FHPhantom on 06/12/2007 16:22:39

Originally by: Ardemire

---

Or do they have class action scramblers? Will the eula protect them? Because personaly I would hate to see CCP go under, even if this is possibly the biggest MMO botch ever.

---

thats why from reuters to every loacal media org have been contacted. No they cant sweep it away now or ban us paid players for speaking truth this will only aid our defense of this invasion of privacy. and destruction of our pc's and lost data pictures that will never be replaced.

---

Originally by: FHPhantom

---

Edited by: FHPhantom on 06/12/2007 16:23:14
Edited by: FHPhantom on 06/12/2007 16:22:39

Originally by: Ardemire

---

Or do they have class action scramblers? Will the eula protect them? Because personaly I would hate to see CCP go under, even if this is possibly the biggest MMO botch ever.

---

thats why from reuters to every loacal media org have been contacted. No they cant sweep it away now or ban us paid players for speaking truth this will only aid our defense of this invasion of privacy. and destruction of our pc's and lost data pictures that will never be replaced.

---

Originally by: FHPhantom

---

thats why from reuters to every loacal media org have been contacted. No they cant sweep it away now or ban us paid players for speaking truth this will only aid our defense of this invasion of privacy. and destruction of our pc's and lost data pictures that will never be replaced.

---

Originally by: Victor Valka

---

What the skull-chick said.

---

Originally by: Tortun Nahme

---

and of course we will have to prove none of us has ever made a typo, because otherwise our case is sunk

---

Originally by: FHPhantom

---

Originally by: FHPhantom

---

Edited by: FHPhantom on 06/12/2007 16:23:14
Edited by: FHPhantom on 06/12/2007 16:22:39

Originally by: Ardemire

---

Or do they have class action scramblers? Will the eula protect them? Because personaly I would hate to see CCP go under, even if this is possibly the biggest MMO botch ever.

---

thats why from reuters to every loacal media org have been contacted. No they cant sweep it away now or ban us paid players for speaking truth this will only aid our defense of this invasion of privacy. and destruction of our pc's and lost data pictures that will never be replaced.

---

same aholes like u said the holocost never exisited. I'm serious as a heart attack we will get answers and have the authorties investigate to see if anything else was compromised.

no go do your homework noob. Don't assume every player here is a snot nosed kid.

---

Originally by: Cecil Montague

---

They should change that warning on entering low sec to:

"Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."

---

Originally by: Apocryphai

---

Originally by: FHPhantom

---

thats why from reuters to every loacal media org have been contacted. No they cant sweep it away now or ban us paid players for speaking truth this will only aid our defense of this invasion of privacy. and destruction of our pc's and lost data pictures that will never be replaced.

---

ROFL do tell us what Reuters and "every loacal media org" said in reply to you! Can't wait to see this in the newspapers... oh wait, they'll just laugh at you.

---

Originally by: FHPhantom

---

Originally by: Apocryphai

---

Originally by: FHPhantom

---

thats why from reuters to every loacal media org have been contacted. No they cant sweep it away now or ban us paid players for speaking truth this will only aid our defense of this invasion of privacy. and destruction of our pc's and lost data pictures that will never be replaced.

---

ROFL do tell us what Reuters and "every loacal media org" said in reply to you! Can't wait to see this in the newspapers... oh wait, they'll just laugh at you.

---

not to me ahole im not powerfull enough to some of my freinds you wont be privy to the text.

---

Originally by: Graveyard Tan

---

I call bull**** and troll. If you are deaf, how are you even able to read this or type replies?

---

Originally by: Rells

---

Ridiculous. If this was possible Microsoft would have been out of business long ago. People are just posturing to prove that Internet Anonymity makes some people complete morons. Not only would you have to prove that you lost something, which they could torpedo easily with the fix procedures, you would have to prove that they did it through gross negligence rather than the more likely scenario that a typo such as './' should have been used rather than '/'. Numerous superior courts in the EU have concluded that software bugs that are correctible without loss can not be considered grounds for damages.

---

Originally by: Cecil Montague

---

They should change that warning on entering low sec to:

"Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."

---

Originally by: Verone

---

Originally by: EULA

---

13. DISCLAIMER OF DAMAGES
In no event shall CCP, its affiliates, licensors or suppliers be liable to you or to any third party for any special, indirect, incidental, consequential, punitive or exemplary damages (including without limitation, lost profits or lost data), arising out of or in connection with your Account, the System, Software, Game, Game Content, User Content, EULA, or any other services or materials provided in connection therewith, whether based on warranty, contract, tort or any other legal theory, and whether or not CCP is advised of the possibility of such damages, and even if any stated remedy fails of its essential purpose.

14. LIMITATION OF LIABILITY
Except as set forth below, CCP's maximum liability for any and all claims arising out of or in connection with your Account, the Software, System, Game, Game Content, User Content, EULA, and any other services or materials provided in connection therewith, shall not exceed an amount equal to the value of one (1) month's subscription fees.

---

Nuff Said.

---

Originally by: FHPhantom

---

Originally by: Rells

---

The burden of gross negligence is quite high and a likely typo would not qualify. This is analogous to a bulb blowing on your car because it was faulty and you knowing that the bulb was blown and having a fix chose not to employ it and got in a car accident.

---

they paying you to debunk this or not rells. bro dont know you from the man in the moon but if you think this was nothing you have some bad ethics.

---

Originally by: Cecil Montague

---

They should change that warning on entering low sec to:

"Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."

---

Originally by: Rells

---

Originally by: Tyralon

---

It's obviously unfortunate that some people have lost files and money because of the patch, but people should think carefully about it before suing.

If CCP was made bankrupt because of legal action and we all lost Eve it would be an even greater tragedy. I doubt there are many Eve users who lost enough due to the patch to want this to happen.

---

No fear. The case wouldn't even pass the laugh test in court. No one lost data unless they reformatted their system without trying to repair the problem. Furthermore, if they had critical data on the computer they should have backed it up. If some idiot reformatted his drive removing critical data without exploring other alternatives, then he has no case. The burden of gross negligence is quite high and a likely typo would not qualify. This is analogous to a bulb blowing on your car because it was faulty and you knowing that the bulb was blown and having a fix chose not to employ it and got in a car accident.

---

Originally by: FHPhantom

---

The ginger magician scandel, to the stolen bpu's etc to now, what next ok, can we just know if its safe to play this anymore. a formal investigation is nessasary before we all get fucccccccckeed here.

---

Originally by: Crumplecorn

---

Originally by: FHPhantom

---

Edited by: FHPhantom on 06/12/2007 16:23:14
Edited by: FHPhantom on 06/12/2007 16:22:39

Originally by: Ardemire

---

Or do they have class action scramblers? Will the eula protect them? Because personaly I would hate to see CCP go under, even if this is possibly the biggest MMO botch ever.

---

thats why from reuters to every loacal media org have been contacted. No they cant sweep it away now or ban us paid players for speaking truth this will only aid our defense of this invasion of privacy. and destruction of our pc's and lost data pictures that will never be replaced.

---

Lost data pictures indeed

---

Originally by: FHPhantom

---

Edited by: FHPhantom on 06/12/2007 16:38:26

Originally by: Rells

---

Ridiculous. If this was possible Microsoft would have been out of business long ago. People are just posturing to prove that Internet Anonymity makes some people complete morons. Not only would you have to prove that you lost something, which they could torpedo easily with the fix procedures, you would have to prove that they did it through gross negligence rather than the more likely scenario that a typo such as './' should have been used rather than '/'. Numerous superior courts in the EU have concluded that software bugs that are correctible without loss can not be considered grounds for damages.

---

no one is pointing fingers. Ask yourself this is you employ a bus driver and he comes to work and crashes the bus and kills everyone who is responsable.

---

Originally by: FHPhantom

---

you make ccp proud your loyal as can be, yet u pay them. Your a bastian of CCP's integrity. Youralso not thinking this hurt alot of players we pay just as you. And why is that so hard for u to understand. So next time you goto the store and buy something tell them to break first before they give it to you and say nothing.

---

Originally by: FHPhantom

---

The ginger magician scandel, to the stolen bpu's etc to now, what is next ok, can we just know if its safe to play this anymore. a formal investigation is nessasary before we all get fucccccccckeed here. Cause how do we pay, and right now I dont trust my personnal info with them, until something is done to correct theese breeches of integrity.

---

Originally by: FHPhantom

---

Originally by: FHPhantom

---

Originally by: Rells

---

The burden of gross negligence is quite high and a likely typo would not qualify. This is analogous to a bulb blowing on your car because it was faulty and you knowing that the bulb was blown and having a fix chose not to employ it and got in a car accident.

---

they paying you to debunk this or not rells. bro dont know you from the man in the moon but if you think this was nothing you have some bad ethics.

---

or mayby get beat up alott in school. Sorry bro but when im wronged or others I stand up for the truth and fact, not your bs fictional attempt to assighn yourself official CCP debunker, cause you think it will get you respect or a free month play.

---

Originally by: FHPhantom

---

Originally by: FHPhantom

---

Originally by: Rells

---

The burden of gross negligence is quite high and a likely typo would not qualify. This is analogous to a bulb blowing on your car because it was faulty and you knowing that the bulb was blown and having a fix chose not to employ it and got in a car accident.

---

they paying you to debunk this or not rells. bro dont know you from the man in the moon but if you think this was nothing you have some bad ethics.

---

or mayby get beat up alott in school. Sorry bro but when im wronged or others I stand up for the truth and fact, not your bs fictional attempt to assighn yourself official CCP debunker, cause you think it will get you respect or a free month play.

---

Originally by: Zenst

---

Ok, simple fact that they didn't tell you to run as Administrator might be huge factor here.

Basicly, you have more chance in sueing Microsoft than CCP over this, indeed technicaly CCP have more of a legal right to sue you over this. Welcome to the World of good lawyers and being one of the little people.

But as a rule - backup dont ****up. This education has been brought to you by the letters C and P :).




this drink for a lage galss of STFU has been brought to you free

---

Originally by: Rells

---

Originally by: FHPhantom

---

Originally by: FHPhantom

---

Originally by: Rells

---

The burden of gross negligence is quite high and a likely typo would not qualify. This is analogous to a bulb blowing on your car because it was faulty and you knowing that the bulb was blown and having a fix chose not to employ it and got in a car accident.

---

they paying you to debunk this or not rells. bro dont know you from the man in the moon but if you think this was nothing you have some bad ethics.

---

or mayby get beat up alott in school. Sorry bro but when im wronged or others I stand up for the truth and fact, not your bs fictional attempt to assighn yourself official CCP debunker, cause you think it will get you respect or a free month play.

---

All three of my accounts were renewed a month ago for a year. And if you don't know me or my corporation in this game then you are a bloody newbie that doesn't have a clue. As for me getting beat up a lot, my corp is based out of 6nj8-v in venal, you are welcome to come try and beat us up. We need the targets.

I don't have any problem jumping on CCPs case when there is a reason. I have done so many times in the past. What you are doing is spewing legal nonsense that is just laughable in the extreme and making an idiot of yourself. Your uninformed drivel needs to be countered. Anyone having an issue with this problem is welcome to come to our web site (click my sig) and get help from agony pilots.

---

Originally by: Alrione

---

OMG! Nerdrage unleashed. Seriusly guys
PS
This is a stealth gallente baby blue whine, right?

---

Originally by: FHPhantom

---

I have no beef with you bro but this was a disaster this release and i just feel sorry for people that got hurt. btw I'm not a noob, but no I never heard of you.

---

Originally by: FHPhantom

---

Originally by: Alrione

---

OMG! Nerdrage unleashed. Seriusly guys
PS
This is a stealth gallente baby blue whine, right?

---

p.s me and rells would fuccccccc***e u up in battle so watch your mouth we arent nerds ok, but we have opionion's just like aholes that you seem similar too. chill let the resonable players speak.

---

Originally by: Rells

---

If you haven't heard of us, you need to get out more.

---

Originally by: FHPhantom

---

p.s me and rells would fuccccccc***e u up in battle so watch your mouth we arent nerds ok, but we have opionion's just like aholes that you seem similar too. chill let the resonable players speak.

---

Originally by: FHPhantom

---

Originally by: Rells

---

If you haven't heard of us, you need to get out more.

---

Not a question of getting out bro but why get trained when your a master of the game already, on that I go play fifa 08

---

Originally by: FHPhantom

---

Originally by: Rells

---

If you haven't heard of us, you need to get out more.

---

Not a question of getting out bro but why get trained when your a master of the game already, on that I go play fifa 08

---

Originally by: Rells

---

Originally by: FHPhantom

---

Originally by: Rells

---

If you haven't heard of us, you need to get out more.

---

Not a question of getting out bro but why get trained when your a master of the game already, on that I go play fifa 08

---

There is only one thing you are a master of and its not this game. I suspect your mastery has something to do with preparing a line for fishing. (he wont get the joke)

Hell, Im not sure Im a master of it and I have been playing for four years on 3 different main characters and god knows how many alts. People get trained because Eve PvP is hard. You go back to Fifa 08. Thats shallow enough to be about the right speed for ya. If it gives you more pleasure then for god's sake go back and stop spewing nonsense here.

---

Originally by: Daedrin Dremora

---

Originally by: FHPhantom

---

Originally by: Rells

---

If you haven't heard of us, you need to get out more.

---

Not a question of getting out bro but why get trained when your a master of the game already, on that I go play fifa 08

---

You're already playing FIFA- "Frequently ignorant forum ass"

---

Originally by: Cecil Montague

---

They should change that warning on entering low sec to:

"Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."

---

Originally by: Doctor Fruitloop

---

EULA rarely stand up in court, international trade laws superscede this.
CCP would only go under if they had to pay for replacements for all the equipment they buggered or the repair fee's.
I do not know of an MMO botch in this scale.

---

Originally by: Crumplecorn

---

Originally by: Tiger313

---

Actually the patch didn't damage anything other then it deleted a file which your computer needs to reboot. There's a very easy solution to it: just start up with the windows cd in your cdrom player and fix. No biggie really. People whining about how they "lost" homework and/or work are being dumbarses: if you can get on here to whine then you can get to your homework or work files too. Simple. Shyte happens, you know. No need to be an arse over it.

---

No, people whining about how they lost files or have to 'have their computer repaired' should be disallowed use of any electronic devices for the rest of their lifetimes.

Computers should have the right to take out a restraining order against these people.

---

Originally by: Ardemire

---

Or do they have class action scramblers? Will the eula protect them? Because personaly I would hate to see CCP go under, even if this is possibly the biggest MMO botch ever.

---

Originally by: Rells

---

Lot of stuff where you are sure about everything yet you can't document anything...

---

Originally by: Riho

---

no.. you can sue CCP for the boot.ini thing. you accept that ccp cant be blamed for any **** that happens whit your computer when u install theyr software.

anyone who will try to SUE em.. will get some nice legal **** to deal whit and they will never win.

im already loving the posts where ppl whine that theyr PC/laptop where they installed even is broken and they can work now :D damn stupid ppl installing games on work PCs :P

---

Originally by: Riho

---

most ppl are clueless nubs who just spamm "accept" on anything and evrything they install

its a very healthy thing to read EULAs and other legal ****e that is out there before installing anything.

---