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Jaikar Isillia The Vinlanders SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.07 02:50:00 - [31] .. I can't believe this **** lol GG CCP.
Jaydom Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.07 02:50:00 - [32] Holy wow batman. I've been playing forum EVE for a bit lately and this is shocking. Last time I was in a game that had a*****up of this stature we had a "rollback" basically took the game back a day. Completely screwed an offensive we had(as they knew we did it and we didnt have any gains that..we well gained) If something is this broken they should bring the cluster down.
matarkhan ConHugeCo	Posted - 2007.12.07 03:26:00 - [33] A 24-48 hour rollback would require CCP acknowledging the issue within that amount of time. The boot.ini issue had to be going off like a DD in the CCP offices, right after everyone went through weeks of crunch time and sleeplessness... I'm torn here, because a) I'm **ed that they let ** like this slip through, but b) oh my GOD I wouldn't want to be in their shoes right now. Crunch time always sucks. Ending crunch time with tons of hideous bugs is just... Well, It's like getting knocked flat on the ground with a hammer. Then someone kicks you in the balls. But at the same time, the bug with trying to turn off the calculator, the tutorials, etc.... I mean, how is there not a simple UI test plan to uncover that stuff? SO much nerfing, and "balancing," when a) customers were screaming out against it, and b) SO much horrific crap snuck through. I guess what it boils down to is... CCP, I'm sorry that you got knocked down with a hammer. But please, stop covering your balls. They deserve a good kicking.
SnakeByte86	Posted - 2007.12.07 03:31:00 - [34] Originally by: matarkhan A 24-48 hour rollback would require CCP acknowledging the issue within that amount of time. The boot.ini issue had to be going off like a DD in the CCP offices, right after everyone went through weeks of crunch time and sleeplessness... I'm torn here, because a) I'm **ed that they let like this slip through, but b) oh my GOD I wouldn't want to be in their shoes right now. Crunch time always sucks. Ending crunch time with tons of hideous bugs is just... Well, It's like getting knocked flat on the ground with a hammer. Then someone kicks you in the balls. But at the same time, the bug with trying to turn off the calculator, the tutorials, etc.... I mean, how is there not a simple UI test plan to uncover that stuff? SO much nerfing, and "balancing," when a) customers were screaming out against it, and b) SO much horrific crap snuck through. I guess what it boils down to is... CCP, I'm sorry that you got knocked down with a hammer. But please, stop covering your balls. They deserve a good kicking. I agree, i can feel for ccp. But when it comes down to it, they screwed us the paying customers, us the players, us the ones that pay their bills. They nerf a ** load of stuff we don't want nerfed, almost everyone is against the nerfs, but they do it anyway, then they let horrendous bugs like this slip through. So far, I've got a pos that wont defend it self (luckily its in a far away system that is rarely visited hehe), im missing full crystal implants, minus one, i had to fix my boot.ini file, and had to talk two corp mates through doing it over the phone. CCP, We need answers, and we need them now. You havnt commented on sov/pos issues, you havnt commented on jump clone/implant issues. Do your fracking job.
Joss Sparq Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.12.07 03:32:00 - [35] Originally by: Selune Avril On top of that, some dreads are bugged to have a 0 RoF in siege and essentially dump all their cap/ammo at once, doing tremendous damage.
Admiral Nova Strike Team Nova	Posted - 2007.12.07 05:30:00 - [36] Lesson: Never release a patch like this up against a deadline as immovable as Christmas... If it's not ready, it's not ready. Also, how long was the premium content released on trinity before it went live ? When it went up I thought, surely the patch had to be 2-3 weeks away at least...
Katamarino Blazing Angels Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.12.07 06:24:00 - [37] I can confirm that the Notoriety Alliance [NOTR] have been witnessed by multiple people to be using this known exploit. Name and shame, people, name and shame...
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.12.07 06:58:00 - [38] Originally by: Mynas Atoch We've lost billions of isk, if not tens of billions, in modules all over empire on our POS altcorps where the POS managers were unable to log on to the game before people blew up the POS modules. Petitions have been submitted, but you can't petition back the time wasted in anchoring replacement silos and corp hangars, never mind prove the contents after they have gone. The game doesn't report who did it, so we have no option to seek revenge in game either. Thanks Blizz Myn A full mirror was done at the same time that the patch was deployed, so what was available the 5 should be fully documented. If tis is true and it happened more than a very limited number of time it will call for a roll back I fear. And then some very serious band on the perpetrators for exploiting.
Aunt Maud	Posted - 2007.12.07 07:03:00 - [39] ow yeah i just jumped into and out of one of our cyno jammed systems
Anon Forumalt	Posted - 2007.12.07 07:14:00 - [40] Originally by: Mynas Atoch We've lost billions of isk, if not tens of billions, in modules all over empire on our POS altcorps where the POS managers were unable to log on to the game before people blew up the POS modules. Petitions have been submitted, but you can't petition back the time wasted in anchoring replacement silos and corp hangars, never mind prove the contents after they have gone. The game doesn't report who did it, so we have no option to seek revenge in game either. Thanks Blizz Myn Am I the only one that noticed that he just said "thanks blizz"? I played WoW for over a year so I'm not one to judge, but still...don't people on these forums usually catch that kind of thing and tear the person to shreds?

Sacul Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.07 07:25:00 - [41] Originally by: Anon Forumalt Originally by: Mynas Atoch We've lost billions of isk, if not tens of billions, in modules all over empire on our POS altcorps where the POS managers were unable to log on to the game before people blew up the POS modules. Petitions have been submitted, but you can't petition back the time wasted in anchoring replacement silos and corp hangars, never mind prove the contents after they have gone. The game doesn't report who did it, so we have no option to seek revenge in game either. Thanks Blizz Myn Am I the only one that noticed that he just said "thanks blizz"? I played WoW for over a year so I'm not one to judge, but still...don't people on these forums usually catch that kind of thing and tear the person to shreds? thnx blizz as in thnx blizzard? i am not sure what u are trying to imply here The stone age didn't end because we ran out of stones!
MassonA Caldari coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.07 07:39:00 - [42] Originally by: Sacul Originally by: Anon Forumalt Originally by: Mynas Atoch We've lost billions of isk, if not tens of billions, in modules all over empire on our POS altcorps where the POS managers were unable to log on to the game before people blew up the POS modules. Petitions have been submitted, but you can't petition back the time wasted in anchoring replacement silos and corp hangars, never mind prove the contents after they have gone. The game doesn't report who did it, so we have no option to seek revenge in game either. Thanks Blizz Myn Am I the only one that noticed that he just said "thanks blizz"? I played WoW for over a year so I'm not one to judge, but still...don't people on these forums usually catch that kind of thing and tear the person to shreds? thnx blizz as in thnx blizzard? i am not sure what u are trying to imply here perhaps hes referring to a member in cora?
IHaveTenFingers Caldari ADVANCED Combat and Engineering Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.12.07 08:07:00 - [43] I just sieged up my dread to see, i have nonzero RoF. Mabye this has been hotfixed or revelations arent affected (never boost amarr :). -TF
Olavane Riftsnake Clan Shadow Wolf Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.07 08:21:00 - [44] CCP please update us with the status on broken pos modules Thanks
Klaatu Nikto Frontier Combine Inc Sempiternus	Posted - 2007.12.07 08:34:00 - [45] Originally by: Ed Anger have you seen the Trinity bug list? whole lot of love goin on for everyone. It looks like EVERY thing that was touched by devs in Trinity got bugged instead of fixed. Nicely done. and also: Originally by: Known Issues Reactor Array structures were renamed in Trinity. Current moon mining structures active will get stuck and not appear in the starbase management window. Please file a petition under Gameplay - Player Owned Structures if you have been affected by this issue. Not true... Not appearing and stucked reaction structures are only related to POS with any sovereignty restricted structures in it. Fixing it by petition is useless as DT causing them to be stucked again.
F90OEX	Posted - 2007.12.07 08:47:00 - [46] Originally by: Klaatu Nikto Originally by: Ed Anger have you seen the Trinity bug list? whole lot of love goin on for everyone. It looks like EVERY thing that was touched by devs in Trinity got bugged instead of fixed. Nicely done. and also: Originally by: Known Issues Reactor Array structures were renamed in Trinity. Current moon mining structures active will get stuck and not appear in the starbase management window. Please file a petition under Gameplay - Player Owned Structures if you have been affected by this issue. Not true... Not appearing and stucked reaction structures are only related to POS with any sovereignty restricted structures in it. Fixing it by petition is useless as DT causing them to be stucked again. Yep nice bug list.... They where told time and time again on SISI Rev 3 was not ready for TQ.
Admiral Nova Strike Team Nova	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:13:00 - [47] This patch was simply not ready, someone set a date and everyone else marched in line.... At least nothing like this is likely to take place for another 3 years.... RIGHT CCP ? Because this is easily the worst patch in 3 years. I'd settle for everything exactly the way it was before. The irony is the graphics engine and the models were the one thing that actually work (not counting the 'patch' to get them, which was released to a very limited audience for testing for a very short time before launch.) POS's broken, items not seeded (mostly fixed now I think)... Items having their contents changed to the point where some people with inside knowledge made trillions of isk.. good job. Everyone blindsided by shiny things so they don't notice the absolute failure that was the gameplay changes. I remember when CCP made games that were about the gameplay and experience... funny, I think it was called Eve...
Mecinia Lua Galactic Express Frontier Trade League	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:20:00 - [48] Can we have some sort of CCP response to this concern, it is a major one for all of us? Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts.
sledg hammer Caldari Tripocalyptic Enterprises	Posted - 2007.12.07 15:13:00 - [49] if ccp were to do a roll back they should also extend our time by the days they roll it back as there is no reason for us to pay for their mistakes. i am wondering if it would not be a nice jester for ccp to extend our time for the same amount of time it takes them to repair the damage they have done.
Constance Noring	Posted - 2007.12.07 15:41:00 - [50] Message from a carebear: Adapt or die

Natalie Jax Battlestars	Posted - 2007.12.07 17:06:00 - [51] I truly hope that every major Alliance has the maturity of restraint for the next few days. I speak for no one but myself, mind you. The reality is that very few real gains can be had during this time. If any of these bugs are exploited, or if any loss can be rationalized to be the result of a bug then CCP will have to start refunding lost resources. The load on the petitions is going to be unbelievable, and no one dealing with it on either side will be very happy. If it gets too bad, and too many people try to take advantage of these bugs, then we're looking at a full rollback. No one wants that, it wastes everyone's time.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Infinity Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.07 17:12:00 - [52] Originally by: Natalie Jax I truly hope that every major Alliance has the maturity of restraint for the next few days. I speak for no one but myself, mind you. The reality is that very few real gains can be had during this time. If any of these bugs are exploited, or if any loss can be rationalized to be the result of a bug then CCP will have to start refunding lost resources. The load on the petitions is going to be unbelievable, and no one dealing with it on either side will be very happy. If it gets too bad, and too many people try to take advantage of these bugs, then we're looking at a full rollback. No one wants that, it wastes everyone's time. Any mature and inteligent alliance will. because they know that any POS they kill will be replaced by petitions while ships they loose while doing it won 't. CCP could easily but a strap at the hole by raising ALL systems to SOV 4 until this has been solved. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Motivated Prophet Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.12.07 17:15:00 - [53] Originally by: Admiral Nova Items having their contents changed to the point where some people with inside knowledge made trillions of isk.. good job. My "inside knowledge" consisted of playing on Sisi. And if anyone made "trillions" of isk, that means they already had over 5 trillion; even the best module of the class to which you refer only yielded 20% profit. Hyperbole does not help your case. MP -- Proud steward of 47 billion isk in public money, and counting. Ask me about mineral compression!
tyrol E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.12.07 17:52:00 - [54] still no word on this? This could have serious complications if not addressed quickly
Postlatta Mouseanon Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.12.07 18:04:00 - [55] Personally, and this has nothing to do with the carebear in all of us, it's too risky to undock. The space I inhabit has one set of jump bridges that have come back online, but everything else is still borked, pos problems, ETC. Add to that fact that the sheer number of pos's out in space make defending them impossible, we are left with the hope that we wouldn't have to counter attack (instead of defend) against an incursion. For almost any space holding alliance this is a period of complete vulnerability. This is not fun.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.12.07 18:05:00 - [56] Originally by: F90OEX Originally by: Klaatu Nikto Originally by: Ed Anger have you seen the Trinity bug list? whole lot of love goin on for everyone. It looks like EVERY thing that was touched by devs in Trinity got bugged instead of fixed. Nicely done. and also: Originally by: Known Issues Reactor Array structures were renamed in Trinity. Current moon mining structures active will get stuck and not appear in the starbase management window. Please file a petition under Gameplay - Player Owned Structures if you have been affected by this issue. Not true... Not appearing and stucked reaction structures are only related to POS with any sovereignty restricted structures in it. Fixing it by petition is useless as DT causing them to be stucked again. Yep nice bug list.... They where told time and time again on SISI Rev 3 was not ready for TQ. 25 may 2007 is not Trinity, it is Kali 2. That bug list is a bit old (an at least some of the bugs have been corrected).
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.12.07 18:10:00 - [57] Originally by: Admiral Nova This patch was simply not ready, someone set a date and everyone else marched in line.... At least nothing like this is likely to take place for another 3 years.... RIGHT CCP ? Because this is easily the worst patch in 3 years. I'd settle for everything exactly the way it was before. The irony is the graphics engine and the models were the one thing that actually work (not counting the 'patch' to get them, which was released to a very limited audience for testing for a very short time before launch.) POS's broken, items not seeded (mostly fixed now I think)... Items having their contents changed to the point where some people with inside knowledge made trillions of isk.. good job. Everyone blindsided by shiny things so they don't notice the absolute failure that was the gameplay changes. I remember when CCP made games that were about the gameplay and experience... funny, I think it was called Eve... Some of you know how this game work? "Items not seeded": the new modules are player build, the BPO were seeded. Some guy was smart and fast, brought them immediately and sold the firs modules for huge overheads. Good for him. "Items having their contents changed to the point where some people with inside knowledge made trillions of isk". Logging on Sisi will require some work but it is hardly some kind of secret knowledge, reading the forum is even less work. Speaking as it was some kind of cabala were you need to be on the inside to know secret informations is really laughable.
Arlenna Molatov Caldari The 59th Parallel	Posted - 2007.12.07 18:11:00 - [58] It might not be getting the attention due to the Boot.ini problem, and frankly, all the other crap the is wrong. But I am pretty confident judging by a lot of the bans lately that anyone who repeatedly uses the bugs to their advantage will get a swift temp ban or perma ban. CCP seem to be wearing down on the patience factor lately.
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.12.07 18:12:00 - [59] Originally by: Zavernus Hamarabi Lol, 0 rof dreads. Thats just epic. SUX2B Primary...
Ares Splinter Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.12.07 18:16:00 - [60] I think this warrants a GM response that they are at least looking into the issue. SO if someone looses a tower because of all these bugs i guess its petitionable and they can get it back then..



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