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Shana Lioni	Posted - 2007.12.06 23:52:00 - [1] This stastic was posted in the Dev Blog, "Econ Dev Blog No. 3 - Some Statistics On Corporations" There are many threads on these forums discussing various issues regarding the Amarr. It is common knowledge of the ineqities of the Amarr race. In PvP, it is common knowledge that low skill point characters do not perform as well as other races with similiar skillpoints. It is common knowledge Ammar lacks in EWAR, Ship Fittings, capacitor usage and high slot power grid usage. Why is it that CCP continues to ignore our complaints? Why is it CCP rather create new content rather than resolve the inequalities that exist among the races of EvE? Why is it CCP pokes fun at the issues surrounding the Amarr issue. Why is it when new players join EvE and ask for suggestions on which race they should be, the general answer is, "Anything but Amarr"? Giving CCP the benefit of the doubt here are one such thread discussing Amarr... http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=632743&page=1#1 Let's get real CCP, the Amarr race in EvE is broken and needs some love and attention. Throw us a freakin' bone and give us a race to be proud of. Thank you.
Law Enforcer Species 5618 R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.06 23:59:00 - [2] Edited by: Law Enforcer on 06/12/2007 23:59:15 a) their weapons eat to much cap. b) the cap regen on the "cap race" sucks c) they lack enough mids to really do anything useful d) their pulse/beam weapons eat up a hell of a lot of power grid making them a horrible race for noobs. that's why no one flies amarr. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Valorem ([email protected])
Turin Caldari Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.12.07 00:06:00 - [3] And 30,000 of those 31,195 minmatar pilots fly vagabonds. _________________________________
DMF KingBob	Posted - 2007.12.07 01:21:00 - [4] there ships are lame and has mostly not enough cpu and the capacitor is to fast empthy the armor is to fast broken Amarr is the Hardmode Gallente is the PvPmode Minmatar the Speedmode and Cladari the very Easymode
Shana Lioni	Posted - 2007.12.07 04:07:00 - [5] Originally by: Law Enforcer Edited by: Law Enforcer on 06/12/2007 23:59:15 a) their weapons eat to much cap. b) the cap regen on the "cap race" sucks c) they lack enough mids to really do anything useful d) their pulse/beam weapons eat up a hell of a lot of power grid making them a horrible race for noobs. that's why no one flies amarr. Yes you hit on all the core issues. I would add that Amarr damage types are easily defended, hindering our damage output. Give us an alternative to EM/Thermal.
Niffetin Gallente CONsordium Infinate	Posted - 2007.12.07 04:41:00 - [6] Only thing I notice is that the guys who whine about Amarr on forums have never actually flown them. Stupid forum *****s... WTS: Armageddon / Void L / Mobile Large Warp Disruptor
Jonus Rath Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.12.07 05:57:00 - [7] Don't panic, CCP listens to their subscribers. Latest balance between Amarr - Caldary : Nerf Tracking Disruptors - boost ECM.
Futher Bezluden Minmatar ORIGIN SYSTEMS Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.07 06:56:00 - [8] Originally by: Jonus Rath Don't panic, CCP listens to their subscribers. Latest balance between Amarr - Caldary : Nerf Tracking Disruptors - boost ECM. I totally shot whiskey out of my nose reading "CCP listens to their subscribers." I do know they listened to people to use snakes, odj/poly ships with damps and TD's fit because they weren't touched and actually buffed by script and the damp/td's are still up to 42%/47% (damp/td) strength on any ship instead of just ewar ships. I listen to buddies who fly amarr *** and moan about their amarr laser muffins being stale and dry. Please buff amarr so I can unmute them. THUKKER -Be Paranoid Skeet** Skeet L33t
Jerusalem Eve Amarr Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.12.07 08:08:00 - [9] 1. Armor EM resists are too high (pvp) 1a. Armor tanking popular in pvp. 2. Lasers use too much cap. 3. Set type of damage. 4. Fitting issues
Eleana Tomelac Gallente Through the Looking Glass	Posted - 2007.12.07 10:12:00 - [10] There's a difference between being an amarr and flying amarr too. Why people didn't pick an amarr character? 1/ The amarr image on race selection is not attracting : we're geeks, go for an image of an amarr lord with slave girls all around! 2/ What is sure is that it's not because their ships don't look cool. Maybe add a shiny ship (an abbadon like the one here) on the amarr pic in character selection. 3/ Being alone isn't attractive, but nothing can be done for this unless you overpower the amarr to attract people which would be totally wrong. 4/ Amarr are slavers, only roleplayers can actually not go whacky about this and have a character that might be a slaver. Now the ships : 1/ Hard fitting big beams for many ships 2/ Hard against armor and worse against minmatar ships (70% or 92.5% anyone see?) 3/ Ships with a bonus like '-10% to capacitor usage of xxx energy weapons' doesn't look attractive, it's not saying +x% damage, +x% ROF, +x% tracking, +x% range or anything that sounds cool like those bonuses. 4/ Amarr ships lack damage type flexibility : Fixed damage types, can't even choose to modulate the EM/thermal ratio, you are limited to the existing crystals that do too much EM for PvP. Some ships lack a proper 25m3 dronebay and it doesn't help at all! (see amarr HAS and cruisers) 5/ Amarr ships lack fitting flexibility : beams cost you too much on most ships, even battlecruisers that are supposed to be the high-end high-power ships to mount the biggest cruiser sized weapons. Even fitting the biggest pulses is often already an issue! You can count medslots on... Your eyes, nostrils, legs, arms, you see, things that come by two. Now, the good things : 1/ I tried amarr frigates, AS, interceptors, cruisers and BCs, I found them cool, but some ships are more flawed than others may it be fitting or damage output. Still they are cool, just I won't use all of them as I would do with gallente ships. 2/ Once you found out how it works, they hurt hard, but you're still not a tackler and damage dealer at the same time. 3/ I think amarr females look hot... -- Pocket drone carriers (tm) enthousiast ! Say hello to my tiny friends !

Minmatar Citizen 4521577	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:17:00 - [11] Boost minmatar! If amarr become the FOTM we risk being less popular than them very quickly. This cannot happen!
VicturusTeSaluto	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:22:00 - [12] They are slaving religious nutjobs, their ships suck for carebears(inability to pick damage type), they are not that great for solo(lack of meds, slow). Doesn't mean that Amarr sucks.
Mera Jin	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:35:00 - [13] Originally by: Shana Lioni [ Why is it that CCP continues to ignore our complaints? Why is it CCP rather create new content rather than resolve the inequalities that exist among the races of EvE? Because fixing old problems do not attract new subscibers to the game. Releasing shiny graphics do. New subscribers equals more money. Pleasing the old players that love the game anyways, do not bring in more money, and most of these faithfull players will stay even if the game is stuffed full of bugs. Graphics is the easiest way of promoting a computergame. Without the "best" graphic, the game is not gonna catch anyone. Take Crysis for instance; a lot of feedback says the game is right out boring, but its still the most hyped game atm. Why? Graphics ofc.
Katharina Gorbacheva Amarr Soviet Star Federation Celestial Frontier	Posted - 2007.12.07 12:35:00 - [14] Edited by: Katharina Gorbacheva on 07/12/2007 12:35:38 Originally by: Eleana Tomelac There's a difference between being an amarr and flying amarr too. Why people didn't pick an amarr character? 1/ The amarr image on race selection is not attracting : we're geeks, go for an image of an amarr lord with slave girls all around! It IS attracting. Unlike the caldari image, which is portraying a guy who looks like a nazi. 2/ What is sure is that it's not because their ships don't look cool. Maybe add a shiny ship (an abbadon like the one here) on the amarr pic in character selection. Amarr ships are the best looking in EVE. Nothing the caldari have comes even close. 3/ Being alone isn't attractive, but nothing can be done for this unless you overpower the amarr to attract people which would be totally wrong. Why being alone? 4/ Amarr are slavers, only roleplayers can actually not go whacky about this and have a character that might be a slaver. Rather being an Amarr slaver than a Caldari nazi. Caldari have by far the worst race description. Only total noobs would choose them for that, now that shows the quality of ppl in EVE.
FawKa Gallente x13	Posted - 2007.12.07 12:49:00 - [15] Amarr players suck, Amarr race rule, hands down Yes I fly Amarr, got an alt with nothing more than full skilld gunnery and spaceship for Amarr. Sure they take cap, ******* passive thank the beast, add a slave set on top, go pwn.. And the whole "we dont have enough med slots", please.. Everyone seems to be flying in gangs anyways, not everyone needs both a disruptor and a web. Tired of this rabbeling about Amarr.. Look to yourself, you suck, not the race. - - - Signature - - - For Sisi; Running: 8800 GTX 640mb, 4 GB ram, quad core Q6600, creative x-fi, ASUS striker exstreme MB, windows vista, 1680x1050 fullscreen,
Hatch Minmatar Cloak and Daggers Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.12.07 13:57:00 - [16] Edited by: Hatch on 07/12/2007 13:59:14 Originally by: Jonus Rath Don't panic, CCP listens to their subscribers. Latest balance between Amarr - Caldary : Nerf Tracking Disruptors - boost ECM. Honestly, i haven't felt that ccp gave two **s about their subscribers since castor and exodus. They guy above me, that i can't see his name, is right. Ammar don't suck, you do. You haven't learned how to fly the ship properly and so you come whine about it. or you whine that another ship is too powerful. Get over it. there is supposed to be unbalance in the game. this isn't WoW or Ever***.
Shana Lioni	Posted - 2007.12.07 14:47:00 - [17] Originally by: Hatch Edited by: Hatch on 07/12/2007 13:59:14 Originally by: Jonus Rath Don't panic, CCP listens to their subscribers. Latest balance between Amarr - Caldary : Nerf Tracking Disruptors - boost ECM. Honestly, i haven't felt that ccp gave two **s about their subscribers since castor and exodus. They guy above me, that i can't see his name, is right. Ammar don't suck, you do. You haven't learned how to fly the ship properly and so you come whine about it. or you whine that another ship is too powerful. Get over it. there is supposed to be unbalance in the game. this isn't WoW or Ever***. Not very constructive, but I see that you fly Minmatar. You don't have the right to judge me. You know nothing about me or how long I have been flying Amarr. So your point is crap and unworthy to even be posted. Shana Lioni is a 23 Million SP character - pure Amarr. I fly no other ships. My personal favorite is the Omen, but I fly a mean Maladiction. I fly pure PvP. The issues at hand are well documented. My point of this post is to show CCP what is being said and get some sort of comment or response from them. These issues are nothing new to Amarrian pilots. The complaint here is why doesn't CCP listen?
Shana Lioni	Posted - 2007.12.07 14:53:00 - [18] Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto They are slaving religious nutjobs, their ships suck for carebears(inability to pick damage type), they are not that great for solo(lack of meds, slow). Doesn't mean that Amarr sucks. I agree with your post completely. I never said Amarr sucks. As I posted earlier, I fly pure Amarr as an Amarr character. It is very challenging to solo PvP. I won't dispute that Amarr ships tank well. That is one strong point about Amarr, and it contributes to our survivability in gang warfare. However, soloing is complete waste of time. Forget about ratting. I personally don't do it and use a Caldari character for that. Slow I don't know. What makes us slow is most of the time we choose and AB instead of a MWD so we don't use so much cap, cuz our Cap recharge sucks.
Judicator Aldaris Amarr	Posted - 2007.12.07 15:51:00 - [19] Originally by: FawKa Amarr players suck, Amarr race rule, hands down Yes I fly Amarr, got an alt with nothing more than full skilld gunnery and spaceship for Amarr. Sure they take cap, ***** passive thank the beast, add a slave set on top, go pwn.. And the whole "we dont have enough med slots", please.. Everyone seems to be flying in gangs anyways, not everyone needs** both a disruptor and a web. Tired of this rabbeling about Amarr.. Look to yourself, you suck, not the race. Not gonna explain myself much. You are saying that you have an amarr alt, not your main, that with a slave set you pwn, and you dont need nor can fit both a disruptor and a web, hence other races have more free meds. Please tell me if my reading comprehension is off
Andreya Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.12.07 16:34:00 - [20] because amarr are slavers.... honestly... when i started the game, i wasnt interested in them :P but anywho, amarr ships are cool, they have a ;few; VERY good ships. i have trained up fro them , and dont regret it at all _________________________________________________________ Only once you've lost everything, are you free to do anything.

Danjira Ryuujin Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:08:00 - [21] No one wants to hang out with whiners. Amarr - Annoying the Eve Community since 2005
Viper G	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:40:00 - [22] Edited by: Viper G on 07/12/2007 23:41:22 I believe I remember hearing that wow has a system to resolve this issue. On most servers, you don't have a even match of horde and alliance members, so always one group outnumbers the other. The fix for this, is the minority group gets a linear damage/hp boost based off the ratio of players. So a 5 man group vs a 3 man group will be a even fight, as the 3 man group are stronger. This system would probably work for eve because this system auto balances out. If amarr got a damage boost, and everyone started switching to amarr, they would loose their damage boost until it became evened out. If another race become a minority, they would automatically start receiving boosts to balance them out. Of course this system would be arbitrary limits imposed. for example, max boost is 25% (just an example)
sprawdz	Posted - 2007.12.08 00:19:00 - [23] Viper G. Thats why Eve is not WoW and will never be, hopefuly. Please... Amarr are fine. Yes, there are few ships that needs a buff like the apoc or maller,pilgrim maybe zealot a little bit. You know what Shana Lioni? If you would really play amarr for long enough u would know that Amarr are pwnzors! Our ships arent for solo. End of story. Learn it or train gallente. Who cares that amarr are the minority in eve. I dont. I have a 50M main amarr char. Was flying amarr since 2004. Amarr 4TW PPL !! Quote: Let's get real CCP, the Amarr race in EvE is broken... Man, you are broken. My geddon aint broken. Me loves my geddon n my abaddon n my new uber sacri. Quote: Shana Lioni is a 23 Million SP character - pure Amarr. I fly no other ships. My personal favorite is the Omen, but I fly a mean Maladiction. I fly pure PvP. You fly omen... OMG. An omen?! You have 23m SP? And your favorite is an Omen? Where did you put your SP? Having 23m SP you should be able to fly a t2 fited zealot easly. You proved one thing. You dont know anything about amarr cos you fly an omen with 23m SP Yes, you are right mr. 2007 character flying omens in PVP(rofl). Please... gimme a break.
Draahk Chimera Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.08 06:47:00 - [24] Well the reason for few amarr players i think isn't so much the drawbacks on the ships as it is a flaw in the description when you create a character. Most people who try this game has read about it on some homepage or in a magazine, or seen an ad somewhere. So they know little about the game when they set out to create their character. Now look at what the descriptions tells you: Caldari = uber combat characters, capitalist hardcore mercenary type people, sounds cool. Minmatar = former slaves rebelled against evil masters, underdogs making their living out of piracy and smuggling, sounds cool. Gallante = democratic defenders of peace and personal liberty, sounds cool to people who have these ideals real life + the pics of their women is attractive attracting both male geeks wanna play a woman aswell as girl players (9 out of 10 girl players I know are gallante). Amarr = old dusty boring empire, religious fanatics, slavers, uuuhm, not so cool.
FawKa Gallente x13	Posted - 2007.12.08 09:06:00 - [25] Originally by: Judicator Aldaris Originally by: FawKa Amarr players suck, Amarr race rule, hands down ... Not gonna explain myself much. You are saying that you have an amarr alt, not your main, that with a slave set you pwn, and you dont need nor can fit both a disruptor and a web, hence other races have more free meds. Please tell me if my reading comprehension is off It is not my main as got it a lot later. Hell I didnt even have a clue what to chose when I first came to EVE. And tbh, 30m SP spec'd in just one race is fine to me. Anyways, from my perspektive you cannot just ballance a race by giving them all the same number of med slots. This is just not worth whining about. Try shield tank a ship with torps as you now need a MWD a web and a diruptor if you do not have gang mates to do that. This has become a gang game unless you fly nanoships tbh. And besides, about the whole "whine whine we shoot EM".. well? most gallentean ships end up with EM being their worste resist Lol.. eamn, kin, therm, exp hardener, dc2.. That's standard active domi tank right? ppl dont fit em hardeners. Oh and about the slave set: I do everything I can to improve my ships. My slave just makes it live longer afterall compared to my scrystal that really makes a Maelstrom unkillable. My point was not that you "need" a slaveset for all amarr ships to pwn with them. Ppl just seem to fail setting their ships up. An active Abaddon? omfg seriously, it is dead even before it goes to battle. Active vs 50-60k armor with nice resist. You get the picture. Ppl just fail, and then they whine instead of thinking.. Wtf did I just do wrong. I am sick and tired of all these wines. Glad caldari got some help so we can see the Raven in pvp again, but I see lots of Amarr ships. And most of the 'great' players that flies them are split in gallente/amarr og minmatar/amarr - and they would chose an Amarr ship. I stand by what I said: Amarr players suck, Amarr race rule - - - Signature - - - For Sisi; Running: 8800 GTX 640mb, 4 GB ram, quad core Q6600, creative x-fi, ASUS striker exstreme MB, windows vista, 1680x1050 fullscreen,
Gozmoth Amarr Altera Odyssea Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.12.08 09:31:00 - [26] Why ? An answer : http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=632743
ophiuchus3000 ISK Sink Incorporated	Posted - 2007.12.08 10:45:00 - [27] We can't have too many Amarrians. We'd never have enough slaves to go around.
Redback911 Malevolent Intentions	Posted - 2007.12.08 11:17:00 - [28] I love amarr. Some of the best ships in-game.
Miss Fruitcake	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:24:00 - [29] Yes the amarr have their limitations in the gun department, at least you dont need to spend large amounts of money on ammo!!!!
Tek'a Rain Gallente Isis Technologies	Posted - 2007.12.09 03:25:00 - [30] Originally by: Draahk Chimera Amarr = old dusty boring empire, religious fanatics, slavers, uuuhm, not so cool. This. And isnt Caldari Still the first picture from the left, the natural first pick for people who know little about the game, with Amarr on the far side? Last I hear, the comment by many folks is also along the lines of "caldari seemed more human looking" and perhaps that causes a selection bias that Also has problems farther down the road.



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