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Karan Kaldarian
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Posted - 2007.12.07 15:49:00 -
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Edited by: Karan Kaldarian on 07/12/2007 15:57:53
 Originally by: Traska Gannel
Actually - I don't understand why the Golem would not have greater DPS than a CNR. The Golem only has 4 launcher hard points but it has 100% increased damage for cruise missiles and torpedoes which makes this the equivalent of 8 regular launchers. On the other hand, the CNR only has 7 launchers - so I would think that a Golem should have about 14% more base DPS than a CNR. Of course, this may depend on how many BCS's are mounted in the low slots but with diminishing returns factored in there won't be more than 3 or 4 on either ship.
As for the question in the thread - I am probably about 70 days from flying a Marauder :) - I need BS 5, AWU 4,5 and Energy Grid Upgrades 5 brfore I can fly a Golem.
Not to mention its capacity of 1225 m3 that helps a lot with those new items volume. I made two trips to loot and salvage Damsel in Distress collecting 3600m3 (more or less).
p.s. I need to train AdWUpgrade 2,to 5 , Caldari Battle 5 and Marauder 1.
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DeadDuck
Amarr
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.07 15:55:00 -
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To the topic starter:
Marauders I, and 1b away ...  . Not gonna bother to train them untill the price goes down for the fair level 
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Dragon Lord
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.07 16:37:00 -
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i see the bpc's are up for sale now, lowest price is 800m and thats for a bpc, and knowone can build them yet anyway, rank 8 skill 2 lvl4 takes a while.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.12.07 18:28:00 -
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My main will be able to build them in 5 days from now (yes, that's all T2 BSs, the whole 8 of them), and my alt can already fly the Paladin (L3 Marauders in training now).
So if anybody wants one built, sign up now (takes roughly 2 days to build one, and I can only use so many production lines at once)... bring your own blueprint and materials, pay me some extra and you might have a deal 
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Dragon Lord
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.07 22:46:00 -
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As far as marauders go, i think ill wait till i get marauders lvl5 signature focusing lvl5 and missie precsion 5, by which time the golem prices will have stabalized and with the above skills maxed, it will one volly ANY elite frig, and i belive 2 volly the elite cruisers, anything else smaller than a bs with die in 1 volley.
Its quite a long skill train, but im very sure that once i get these skills the golem will outperfrom the cnr on any mission.
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Nadun'Hagar
N00bs With Guns
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Posted - 2007.12.07 23:04:00 -
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Working on lvl 4 now. I hope they come down in price, I figure by the time I get lvl 5 (47days) They will have droped a wee bit.
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Commander Prishe
Caldari
The LoneStar Corp
Edge Of Sanity
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Posted - 2007.12.07 23:34:00 -
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Edited by: Commander Prishe on 07/12/2007 23:39:15
Only reason I would train for a Gollem is for a looting/salavage vessel and thats ony due to the loot capacity nerf.
Other than it has no usefulness in my eyes for level 4 missions. I dont care if it has better tank than navy raven... I dont need better tank for level 4s, I can handle angel bonus room with a caldari navy XL shield booster. However its always nice to have more gank...and it just wont have more gank than my raven with those crappy bonuses it has.
Words can not convey how crap I think the gollem is. Navy raven ftw.
*edit* oh yeah screw target painters - total utter waste of a slot, put about 800k sp in drone skills and kill frigs with your t2 hammerheads.
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MinmatarCitizen32442
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Posted - 2007.12.08 16:42:00 -
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got the skills to fly it....
5 days 7 hours till I have BS construction 4 to build it.
Prints will be out of invention in 10.5 hours
If I have enen 1 success I will have material in place to build as soon as the skill to build finishes.....
Then (haven't read the print so guessing) probably a 2 day construction time.
(note posted by flame-******ent alt)
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Scimon Tinker
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Posted - 2007.12.08 17:01:00 -
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hey hey
Marauders 2 and training all new ships :)
WILL NOT pay the price they are but might invent one for myself at some point. Still wont change from my beloved Claymore. :)
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Green Cobra
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Posted - 2007.12.09 20:29:00 -
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0 days and Maruder @ lvl4 |
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Calprimus
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.12.09 21:21:00 -
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Can fly it now, but I will stay on my NH.
No real advantage, no matter what the (potential) sellers are saying.....
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Shadowsword
COLSUP
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.12.09 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: Calprimus
Can fly it now, but I will stay on my NH.
No real advantage, no matter what the (potential) sellers are saying.....
Really?
NH with 3 damage mods, T2 heavy launchers and faction ammos: 473 dps with kinetic, 379 dps with other damage types.
Golem with 3 damage mods, T2 cruise launchers and faction ammos: 518 dps.
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Rezerwowy Pies
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Posted - 2007.12.09 23:34:00 -
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Edited by: Rezerwowy Pies on 09/12/2007 23:45:41
Originally by: Swindley
But dps isnt everything. You'll be fighting mostly small ships in lvl 4s, meaning the other bonuses on the golem are HIGHLY usefull. And add a target painter with +30% effectiveness (at skill lvl 4) and I suspect Golem will be much faster than CNR for lvl 4s.
- Golem need a sensor booster even more than CNR (loss of dps without it).
- 4 launchers (virtual 8 because of bonus) its worse than 7 launchers and with 25% rof (CNR).
- Painters.. +30% to 36% painter (best named with skills at 4) gives 46% - its nothing, and high duration and low optimal doesnt help much, painter on CNR is enought.
- Explosion velocity bonus is useless. Ships on missions dont fly so fast (except spider drones but its maybe 0.01% of total npc) so that bonus doesnt help at all. Explosion velocity on cruise with skills at 4 and implant is around 735 which are enought (on CNR).
- Shield boost bonus is also useless, because all lvl4 is doable solo in t1 raven (if someone have money for marauder, better is to buy a LG Crystal set and standard Raven which have same dps as Golem) and for lvl5 tank on golem is too weak.
- Finaly: Time to train Golem can be used for skills like Drone Interfacing or missile skills at lvl5, which increase difference in DPS Golem vs CNR.
Salvaging? If you do that (i dont) faster is to make BM's then back with Hurricane (>3100m3 with t1 rigs and t2 cargo exp, 4x tractor, 4x salvager, Sensor booster, cap battery and MWD, second AB in same time if you salvage sometimes in deadspace). As for speeds 350ms with AB or 10000ms with MWD with very crappy navigation skills.
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Rasta Farian
Rasta Tropical Club
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Posted - 2007.12.10 04:07:00 -
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Need AWU from 4 to 5 and EGU from 4 to 5.
Then will train Marauder to 4 and buy a Golen.
I only loot what i can while i kill stuff so i think it will be more isk efficient. Instead of 1 tractor on the Navy Raven will be 2 awesome tractors and one salvager for those BS wrecks.
Will definitely be using faction ammo. It¦s also 10 m/s faster.
Anyway my goal is to get one with brand new stuff along a nightwauk so i can fly different ships.
Other advantage is a little bit less clicking.
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Morris 159
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Posted - 2007.12.11 15:36:00 -
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Well It will be a long time before i can fly a golem.
Anyone of the golem friends wants to sell me a CNR? I'll pay enough iskies for it.
Mail an offer to:" Morris 159 "
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Jet Collins
Dynamic Endeavors
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Posted - 2007.12.11 16:34:00 -
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Edited by: Jet Collins on 11/12/2007 16:35:36
Curerntly training the skill to lvl 4. I just have to fly it before I make any decisions as to weather it sucks or not.
Question can you fit 4 weapons and NOS?
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Shadowsword
COLSUP
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.12.11 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Jet Collins
Question can you fit 4 weapons and NOS?
You can
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Weeka
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2007.12.11 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Shadowsword
Really?
Yeah, really. It's called precision bonus and doesn't show up in EFT, so you might not know.
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CaperPuts
Minmatar
Life. Universe. Everything.
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.12 23:28:00 -
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However long it takes to train Marauders 1.
But I won't be getting one for at least a month probably. I don't really want to spend over a billion on a ship to do missions.
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