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SadoMaas Totenkopf Division	Posted - 2007.12.07 01:34:00 - [1] 8d 23h here for Energy Grid Upgrades 5. How about you?
syphurous Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2007.12.07 01:57:00 - [2] 50 Days and 52 for a Hulk I'm confused and not sure which way I should carebear. ___ All Ur Salvage R Belong 2 Me !
Giant Haystacks Perkone	Posted - 2007.12.07 01:59:00 - [3] why would I want a marauder?
SadoMaas Totenkopf Division	Posted - 2007.12.07 02:04:00 - [4] Originally by: Giant Haystacks why would I want a marauder? Easily outclasses others for the title of best Lvl 4 mission running ships.
Yurii Chan	Posted - 2007.12.07 02:07:00 - [5] 1 hour 4 minutes. but it doesnt beat my current ship much so i'm as far as it takes for the ship to drop from its current 1.4 billion isk price tag
Falka Lakadaka Gallente BakaLakadaka Street	Posted - 2007.12.07 02:12:00 - [6] Originally by: Yurii Chan 1 hour 4 minutes. but it doesnt beat my current ship much so i'm as far as it takes for the ship to drop from its current 1.4 billion isk price tag I'm with Yurii, as long as it takes for the price to drop.....I have no issues with my current setup. Cheers Falka ________________________________________ Check out the Guides Sticky for answers to many questions
SadoMaas Totenkopf Division	Posted - 2007.12.07 02:30:00 - [7] Originally by: Yurii Chan 1 hour 4 minutes. but it doesnt beat my current ship much so i'm as far as it takes for the ship to drop from its current 1.4 billion isk price tag Thats a crazy price. No way in hell would I pay that lol
Crimson Tides	Posted - 2007.12.07 03:25:00 - [8] Originally by: SadoMaas Originally by: Giant Haystacks why would I want a marauder? Easily outclasses others for the title of best Lvl 4 mission running ships. Just a pity that the golem isn't better then a Caldari Navy Raven as far as DPS goes. Looting, sure but while the price will be 1 bil or more i'll be avoiding it. Kronos... maybe :P, i'm close, only need Adv. Weapon upgrades V (so about a month)
Traska Gannel	Posted - 2007.12.07 04:18:00 - [9] Actually - I don't understand why the Golem would not have greater DPS than a CNR. The Golem only has 4 launcher hard points but it has 100% increased damage for cruise missiles and torpedoes which makes this the equivalent of 8 regular launchers. On the other hand, the CNR only has 7 launchers - so I would think that a Golem should have about 14% more base DPS than a CNR. Of course, this may depend on how many BCS's are mounted in the low slots but with diminishing returns factored in there won't be more than 3 or 4 on either ship. As for the question in the thread - I am probably about 70 days from flying a Marauder :) - I need BS 5, AWU 4,5 and Energy Grid Upgrades 5 brfore I can fly a Golem.
Yurii Chan	Posted - 2007.12.07 06:28:00 - [10] Originally by: Traska Gannel Actually - I don't understand why the Golem would not have greater DPS than a CNR. The Golem only has 4 launcher hard points but it has 100% increased damage for cruise missiles and torpedoes which makes this the equivalent of 8 regular launchers. On the other hand, the CNR only has 7 launchers - so I would think that a Golem should have about 14% more base DPS than a CNR. Of course, this may depend on how many BCS's are mounted in the low slots but with diminishing returns factored in there won't be more than 3 or 4 on either ship. As for the question in the thread - I am probably about 70 days from flying a Marauder :) - I need BS 5, AWU 4,5 and Energy Grid Upgrades 5 brfore I can fly a Golem. it would IF the golem had retained the std raven bonus which is 10% missile speed and 5% ROF but the golem only gets the speed bonus and not the ROF. now @ lvl 5 that's 33% dps difference with the CNR inching ahead.
Kadoes Khan	Posted - 2007.12.07 06:40:00 - [11] Originally by: Traska Gannel Actually - I don't understand why the Golem would not have greater DPS than a CNR. The Golem only has 4 launcher hard points but it has 100% increased damage for cruise missiles and torpedoes which makes this the equivalent of 8 regular launchers. On the other hand, the CNR only has 7 launchers - so I would think that a Golem should have about 14% more base DPS than a CNR. Of course, this may depend on how many BCS's are mounted in the low slots but with diminishing returns factored in there won't be more than 3 or 4 on either ship. As for the question in the thread - I am probably about 70 days from flying a Marauder :) - I need BS 5, AWU 4,5 and Energy Grid Upgrades 5 brfore I can fly a Golem. 25% ROF bonus on the CNR =\ -=^=- "Someday the world will recognize the genius in my insanity."
Dragon Lord Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.12.07 07:45:00 - [12] Edited by: Dragon Lord on 07/12/2007 07:45:23 Training Marauders lvl2 as we speak
Swindley Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.07 08:46:00 - [13] Wouldnt cruise missiles tear apart small ships with the golem, cutting down mission running time by abit? Not to mention the fast looting you could do:) I kinda like the Golem, more than the Paladin anyway:P ------------------------------------------------ Ooooh look at me, I'm a signature!
Hephaesteus Gallente	Posted - 2007.12.07 09:01:00 - [14] Can use one soon as I buy Marauder skill and train lvl 1.
Carniflex Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project	Posted - 2007.12.07 09:17:00 - [15] Originally by: Swindley Wouldnt cruise missiles tear apart small ships with the golem, cutting down mission running time by abit? Not to mention the fast looting you could do:) I kinda like the Golem, more than the Paladin anyway:P Not as fast as CNR, as CNR has 16 % more dps. That is roughly equal being 16% faster in missions than Golem. And as far as looting goes ... well ... anyone who is caring about mission running effectivity is usually not looting and doing missions in the same ship, but are using separate ship (with salvage rigs) for looting, if they bother with looting at all. Can use golem (for looting) as soon as I train the relevant skill to level 1.
Swindley Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.07 09:39:00 - [16] Originally by: Carniflex Originally by: Swindley Wouldnt cruise missiles tear apart small ships with the golem, cutting down mission running time by abit? Not to mention the fast looting you could do:) I kinda like the Golem, more than the Paladin anyway:P Not as fast as CNR, as CNR has 16 % more dps. That is roughly equal being 16% faster in missions than Golem. And as far as looting goes ... well ... anyone who is caring about mission running effectivity is usually not looting and doing missions in the same ship, but are using separate ship (with salvage rigs) for looting, if they bother with looting at all. Can use golem (for looting) as soon as I train the relevant skill to level 1. But dps isnt everything. You'll be fighting mostly small ships in lvl 4s, meaning the other bonuses on the golem are HIGHLY usefull. And add a target painter with +30% effectiveness (at skill lvl 4) and I suspect Golem will be much faster than CNR for lvl 4s. And as i searched I even found a thread to confirm. You might kill bs very very slightly slower, but you'll kill everything else much faster! Someone test and confirm, or run some numbers or something:) ------------------------------------------------ Ooooh look at me, I'm a signature!
Greenwing SuX ltd. Rare Faction	Posted - 2007.12.07 09:46:00 - [17] Originally by: Swindley But dps isnt everything. You'll be fighting mostly small ships in lvl 4s, meaning the other bonuses on the golem are HIGHLY usefull. And add a target painter with +30% effectiveness (at skill lvl 4) and I suspect Golem will be much faster than CNR for lvl 4s. And as i searched I even found a thread to confirm. You might kill bs very very slightly slower, but you'll kill everything else much faster! Someone test and confirm, or run some numbers or something:) I did test it on Sisi some time ago and my CNR was still faster (i dont' know the exact fitting but it was something with torps/TP's/missile range rigs, all relevant skills maxed) It's tank was a bit weak but enough for all lvl4 missions. Only in missions with very little BS rats the Golem was quicker. Overall the CNR was quicker. If you want to do lvl4 missions easy and still pretty quick a Golem is probably a very good choice.
Cryselle	Posted - 2007.12.07 10:07:00 - [18] Marauder IV just started. The Paladin will simply rock for Missions. And I know someone who will sell Paladins for around 1 billion isk, which is reasonable...can't wait to get my hands on one
Kerfira	Posted - 2007.12.07 10:18:00 - [19] Edited by: Kerfira on 07/12/2007 10:19:27 While the Golem has less DPS than the CNR, it has several things that (imho) offsets that. It has higher alpha damage. This means that some ships will pop in one shot less The target painter bonus means cruisers and below go down faster You don't need a shield boost amp since its got one built in Lower ammo usage means faction missiles become much more attractive You can fit 3 tractor beams with 40km range. This means you can do a lot of the looting while you're killing ships, but more importantly that you can gather all/most wrecks in one location. This'll speed up post-battle salvage/looting a LOT! Extra resists. Not a lot, but it all helps So, even though it has theoretical lower DPS, I think a cruise Golem WILL speed up mission running quite a bit compared to a cruise CNR. On-topic: Got AWU 5 to go, but won't do that for a while since I'm maxing my logistics (and all related) skills first. Wanna let the price of the Golem stabilise a bit first too before I buy one. Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Loc Maythan Gallente AlfaCorp	Posted - 2007.12.07 10:31:00 - [20] I could fly one in 40 days, but I won't be training for one as my gun and missile skills are all but zero, and there isn't a Marauder for drone users :-( Loc.
Tauranon Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.12.07 10:44:00 - [21] Originally by: Loc Maythan I could fly one in 40 days, but I won't be training for one as my gun and missile skills are all but zero, and there isn't a Marauder for drone users :-( Loc. we do get a nice stealth ratter, which is of course too expensive to rat in :(
Gaius Sejanus Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.12.07 10:52:00 - [22] Need to train: AWU5 Marauders 1 Gallente Battleship 1-5 Then I'd be in a Kronos. Except I don't really want a Kronos, or to buy the Gallente Battleship skill. So, probably a year away from a Marauder. When the price gets cheaper, and I'm starting to run out of other things to train, I'll get a Kronos, stuff 2 salvage tackle rigs in it, and make it my mission cleanup ship. Tractor beam bonus <3
DARTHxFREE G.R.U.N.T	Posted - 2007.12.07 10:59:00 - [23] Since all the Einstines are making only Caldari ships, I think were very far away from Palabin/Kronos/Vagur /join Cheeze & Whine Club
CaptianBlack Minmatar R'n'D.	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:16:00 - [24] fly = now build = finish BS construction lvl3 today.. (need lvl4) invent = today ( if i'm lucky ) cost = much'o iskkies Use quotes ("") in URL tags or it breaks the layout.-Rauth
Carniflex Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:41:00 - [25] Originally by: Kerfira Edited by: Kerfira on 07/12/2007 10:19:27 While the Golem has less DPS than the CNR, it has several things that (imho) offsets that. It has higher alpha damage. This means that some ships will pop in one shot less The target painter bonus means cruisers and below go down faster You don't need a shield boost amp since its got one built in Lower ammo usage means faction missiles become much more attractive You can fit 3 tractor beams with 40km range. This means you can do a lot of the looting while you're killing ships, but more importantly that you can gather all/most wrecks in one location. This'll speed up post-battle salvage/looting a LOT! Extra resists. Not a lot, but it all helps So, even though it has theoretical lower DPS, I think a cruise Golem WILL speed up mission running quite a bit compared to a cruise CNR. On-topic: Got AWU 5 to go, but won't do that for a while since I'm maxing my logistics (and all related) skills first. Wanna let the price of the Golem stabilise a bit first too before I buy one. 1) Higher alpha can also mean more 'wasted' firepower if you do overkills. On the CNR, if you are competent you can divide your firepower more precisly and do less overkills. On small enough targets their ability to get in one repper cykle is still mostly irrelevant due the small hp buffer. 2) Cruisers - yes. However I'm also using target painter in my CNR setups (with proper support skills and signature reduction hardwire) and I can also one volley cruisers. With higher RoF on my launchers I thus can kill cruisers faster than Golem. Figates - I use T2 drones for them and don't see any reason to shoot at them with battleship class weapons (except in 2 missions where using drones on them will cause mass agro) 3) I already don't need shield boost amp for level 4 missions. My mid slots are XL t2 booster, 3x T2 hardeners, 1x PWNAGE painter and 1x heavy cap injector II. I do not have any propblems tanking level 4 missions long enough to complete them without warpouts. 4) I already using faction ammo. I'm doing 16 % more damage than Golem and using 43 % more ammunition. For me doing more damage and using more ammo is more profitable than it would be doing missions with less damage (slower missions) and saving on ammo. Then again it is somewhat personal depending on your mission running strategy, what is price of your LP and your SP in relevant fields. Most likely for casual missionrunner (longer missions taking over 1h) Golem might be easier solution. 5) No doubt Golem is awesome for looting missions. However looting, like missions is most effective if you have setup dedicated for it. You know, tractors and salvagers and salvage rigs and so on. So most specialized missionrunners will most likely get themselves one of the marauders for looting, however that looting marauder will have dedicated setup for that and will be used like looting destroyers are used currently, to loot and salvage missions after it's completed. Collecting it all into one place is ofcource advantage, but I doubt that if you run missions fast enough you have free loking slots to drag wreks around. My CNR can lock 10 targets (same as unmodifed golem) and I are quite busy loking new targets all the time to not run out of targets in most missions. 6) Extra resists. Yep. But even T1 Raven can tank level 4 missions with just T2 equipment, so tanking is not an issue for level 4 missions. Tanking will not help you do missions faster, your ability to kill your targets fast is what makes your mission running speed. With all that I'm not trying to say that Golems are pointless or even bad ships. They are not. They will not be faster than competent CNR pilot however in missions no matter what you fit on it. They sure will be easier / need less attention than CNR.
DeadManCommingThew	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:59:00 - [26] Let's not turn this into a CNR vs Golem thing to drag down the other race Marauders The Marauders don't suck, it's just the CNR is "imba" it makes the other Navy BS a joke in PVE terms
Orion Shurtak Mission Runners United	Posted - 2007.12.07 12:10:00 - [27] To answer your question...now. They are way over priced to buy atm and with the proper skills a bs isn't needed to complete level 4 missions (at least prior to trinity). I use a nighthawk for all level 4's. I think they will be most useful in level 5's where you can salvage and kill at the same time. Since you will have to do level 5's in low sec, a specialized setup for just looting/salvaging is more risky this the this ship fits the bill. I think used in a group, it would be an awesome addition. -------------------------------------------------- Mission Runners United
Swindley Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.07 12:17:00 - [28] I like the CNR vs Golem discussion:) It's interesting! Also, lvl 5s with some remote reppers repping eachother (Maybe if 1 ship gets neuted by the towers, marauders with their spare high slots can keep him alive?) Sounds interesting ------------------------------------------------ Ooooh look at me, I'm a signature!
Katharina Gorbacheva Amarr Soviet Star Federation Celestial Frontier	Posted - 2007.12.07 12:53:00 - [29] Kronos pwns both.
Diana Merris Minmatar	Posted - 2007.12.07 13:17:00 - [30] I could fly one in however many minutes it took to train Marauder I. I don't see any point in it though so I don't intend to. I fly command ships with CS 5. What would I gain from a Marauder? It has less of a resist bonus, won't do much more damage and the tractor bonus is useless since I use a 4 tractor/4 salvager setup to loot. The only benifit I can see for my billion+ investment would be the ability to fit 2 large smartbombs to kill frigates. Is 2 SBs enough to justify a billion isk? Not for me. Disapointing really.
Karan Kaldarian	Posted - 2007.12.07 15:49:00 - [31] Edited by: Karan Kaldarian on 07/12/2007 15:57:53 Originally by: Traska Gannel Actually - I don't understand why the Golem would not have greater DPS than a CNR. The Golem only has 4 launcher hard points but it has 100% increased damage for cruise missiles and torpedoes which makes this the equivalent of 8 regular launchers. On the other hand, the CNR only has 7 launchers - so I would think that a Golem should have about 14% more base DPS than a CNR. Of course, this may depend on how many BCS's are mounted in the low slots but with diminishing returns factored in there won't be more than 3 or 4 on either ship. As for the question in the thread - I am probably about 70 days from flying a Marauder :) - I need BS 5, AWU 4,5 and Energy Grid Upgrades 5 brfore I can fly a Golem. Not to mention its capacity of 1225 m3 that helps a lot with those new items volume. I made two trips to loot and salvage Damsel in Distress collecting 3600m3 (more or less). p.s. I need to train AdWUpgrade 2,to 5 , Caldari Battle 5 and Marauder 1.
DeadDuck Amarr Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.07 15:55:00 - [32] To the topic starter: Marauders I, and 1b away ... . Not gonna bother to train them untill the price goes down for the fair level
Dragon Lord Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.12.07 16:37:00 - [33] i see the bpc's are up for sale now, lowest price is 800m and thats for a bpc, and knowone can build them yet anyway, rank 8 skill 2 lvl4 takes a while.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.12.07 18:28:00 - [34] My main will be able to build them in 5 days from now (yes, that's all T2 BSs, the whole 8 of them), and my alt can already fly the Paladin (L3 Marauders in training now). So if anybody wants one built, sign up now (takes roughly 2 days to build one, and I can only use so many production lines at once)... bring your own blueprint and materials, pay me some extra and you might have a deal C\|S\|I\|N\|x.
Dragon Lord Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.12.07 22:46:00 - [35] As far as marauders go, i think ill wait till i get marauders lvl5 signature focusing lvl5 and missie precsion 5, by which time the golem prices will have stabalized and with the above skills maxed, it will one volly ANY elite frig, and i belive 2 volly the elite cruisers, anything else smaller than a bs with die in 1 volley. Its quite a long skill train, but im very sure that once i get these skills the golem will outperfrom the cnr on any mission.
Nadun'Hagar N00bs With Guns	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:04:00 - [36] Working on lvl 4 now. I hope they come down in price, I figure by the time I get lvl 5 (47days) They will have droped a wee bit.
Commander Prishe Caldari The LoneStar Corp Edge Of Sanity	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:34:00 - [37] Edited by: Commander Prishe on 07/12/2007 23:39:15 Only reason I would train for a Gollem is for a looting/salavage vessel and thats ony due to the loot capacity nerf. Other than it has no usefulness in my eyes for level 4 missions. I dont care if it has better tank than navy raven... I dont need better tank for level 4s, I can handle angel bonus room with a caldari navy XL shield booster. However its always nice to have more gank...and it just wont have more gank than my raven with those crappy bonuses it has. Words can not convey how crap I think the gollem is. Navy raven ftw. edit oh yeah screw target painters - total utter waste of a slot, put about 800k sp in drone skills and kill frigs with your t2 hammerheads.
MinmatarCitizen32442	Posted - 2007.12.08 16:42:00 - [38] got the skills to fly it.... 5 days 7 hours till I have BS construction 4 to build it. Prints will be out of invention in 10.5 hours If I have enen 1 success I will have material in place to build as soon as the skill to build finishes..... Then (haven't read the print so guessing) probably a 2 day construction time. (note posted by flame-******ent alt)
Scimon Tinker	Posted - 2007.12.08 17:01:00 - [39] hey hey Marauders 2 and training all new ships :) WILL NOT pay the price they are but might invent one for myself at some point. Still wont change from my beloved Claymore. :)
Green Cobra	Posted - 2007.12.09 20:29:00 - [40] 0 days and Maruder @ lvl4
Calprimus Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.12.09 21:21:00 - [41] Can fly it now, but I will stay on my NH. No real advantage, no matter what the (potential) sellers are saying.....
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.12.09 21:46:00 - [42] Originally by: Calprimus Can fly it now, but I will stay on my NH. No real advantage, no matter what the (potential) sellers are saying..... Really? NH with 3 damage mods, T2 heavy launchers and faction ammos: 473 dps with kinetic, 379 dps with other damage types. Golem with 3 damage mods, T2 cruise launchers and faction ammos: 518 dps. ------------------------------------------ What is Oomph? It the sound Amarr players makes when they get kicked in the ribs.
Rezerwowy Pies	Posted - 2007.12.09 23:34:00 - [43] Edited by: Rezerwowy Pies on 09/12/2007 23:45:41 Originally by: Swindley But dps isnt everything. You'll be fighting mostly small ships in lvl 4s, meaning the other bonuses on the golem are HIGHLY usefull. And add a target painter with +30% effectiveness (at skill lvl 4) and I suspect Golem will be much faster than CNR for lvl 4s. - Golem need a sensor booster even more than CNR (loss of dps without it). - 4 launchers (virtual 8 because of bonus) its worse than 7 launchers and with 25% rof (CNR). - Painters.. +30% to 36% painter (best named with skills at 4) gives 46% - its nothing, and high duration and low optimal doesnt help much, painter on CNR is enought. - Explosion velocity bonus is useless. Ships on missions dont fly so fast (except spider drones but its maybe 0.01% of total npc) so that bonus doesnt help at all. Explosion velocity on cruise with skills at 4 and implant is around 735 which are enought (on CNR). - Shield boost bonus is also useless, because all lvl4 is doable solo in t1 raven (if someone have money for marauder, better is to buy a LG Crystal set and standard Raven which have same dps as Golem) and for lvl5 tank on golem is too weak. - Finaly: Time to train Golem can be used for skills like Drone Interfacing or missile skills at lvl5, which increase difference in DPS Golem vs CNR. Salvaging? If you do that (i dont) faster is to make BM's then back with Hurricane (>3100m3 with t1 rigs and t2 cargo exp, 4x tractor, 4x salvager, Sensor booster, cap battery and MWD, second AB in same time if you salvage sometimes in deadspace). As for speeds 350ms with AB or 10000ms with MWD with very crappy navigation skills.
Rasta Farian Rasta Tropical Club	Posted - 2007.12.10 04:07:00 - [44] Need AWU from 4 to 5 and EGU from 4 to 5. Then will train Marauder to 4 and buy a Golen. I only loot what i can while i kill stuff so i think it will be more isk efficient. Instead of 1 tractor on the Navy Raven will be 2 awesome tractors and one salvager for those BS wrecks. Will definitely be using faction ammo. It¦s also 10 m/s faster. Anyway my goal is to get one with brand new stuff along a nightwauk so i can fly different ships. Other advantage is a little bit less clicking.
Morris 159	Posted - 2007.12.11 15:36:00 - [45] Well It will be a long time before i can fly a golem. Anyone of the golem friends wants to sell me a CNR? I'll pay enough iskies for it. Mail an offer to:" Morris 159 "
Jet Collins Dynamic Endeavors	Posted - 2007.12.11 16:34:00 - [46] Edited by: Jet Collins on 11/12/2007 16:35:36 Curerntly training the skill to lvl 4. I just have to fly it before I make any decisions as to weather it sucks or not. Question can you fit 4 weapons and NOS? Dynamic Endeavors is now Recuiting.!! Contact me in game for deatails about the corp. Mostly a PvE corp, with Jump clones avaiale in Empire and 0.0.
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.12.11 17:01:00 - [47] Originally by: Jet Collins Question can you fit 4 weapons and NOS? You can ------------------------------------------ What is Oomph? It the sound Amarr players makes when they get kicked in the ribs.
Weeka Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2007.12.11 17:15:00 - [48] Originally by: Shadowsword Really? Yeah, really. It's called precision bonus and doesn't show up in EFT, so you might not know.
CaperPuts Minmatar Life. Universe. Everything. Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.12 23:28:00 - [49] However long it takes to train Marauders 1. But I won't be getting one for at least a month probably. I don't really want to spend over a billion on a ship to do missions.

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