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Deathifier Minmatar Carebears Must Die Ltd.	Posted - 2007.12.07 20:44:00 - [1] Edited by: Deathifier on 07/12/2007 20:45:06 Hi, just want to get peoples opinions on this. In my travels through the world of Eve, I've noticed in a few regions of empire space Alliances claiming ownership of low sec (0.1-0.4) systems and operating a NBSI policy. For neutrals doing missions in these systems it amounts to piracy under another name. Is this low-sec empire 'land grab' fairly common throughout the eve galaxy, and if so what do you think of this style of play. Imho it's a method for carebear alliances who woudln't hack it in 0.0 to push their weight around. But that's just my opinion.
Cippalippus Primus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.07 20:48:00 - [2] Your opinion counts, a lot.
Local Her0 Minmatar La Mancha Corp	Posted - 2007.12.07 20:57:00 - [3] Edited by: Local Her0 on 07/12/2007 20:57:10 alliances have to start somewhere you know
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.07 21:01:00 - [4] Originally by: Deathifier For neutrals doing missions in these systems it amounts to piracy under another name. And?
Deathifier Minmatar Carebears Must Die Ltd.	Posted - 2007.12.07 21:04:00 - [5] Edited by: Deathifier on 07/12/2007 21:04:38 Originally by: Hannobaal Originally by: Deathifier For neutrals doing missions in these systems it amounts to piracy under another name. And? And.... a lot of these alliances are claiming to be industry/mining carebear type alliances yet their actions don't fit their description, and smacktalk any non alliance that enter the systems.
Friedrick Psitalon The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.12.07 21:06:00 - [6] Originally by: Deathifier Edited by: Deathifier on 07/12/2007 20:45:06 Hi, just want to get peoples opinions on this. In my travels through the world of Eve, I've noticed in a few regions of empire space Alliances claiming ownership of low sec (0.1-0.4) systems and operating a NBSI policy. For neutrals doing missions in these systems it amounts to piracy under another name. Is this low-sec empire 'land grab' fairly common throughout the eve galaxy, and if so what do you think of this style of play. Imho it's a method for carebear alliances who woudln't hack it in 0.0 to push their weight around. But that's just my opinion. NBSI in low-sec is pretty much piracy - or at least serial murder, since they may not be after ransom. Alliances claiming low-sec under any other ROE are quite legitimate; pirate-filled low-sec is a great place to learn things while building skillpoints and assets before a move to any other kind of 0.0 space. (Also helps if your first move is to, say, a pirate-infested NPC-run hell of a 0.0 like....Syndicate.) Just one guy's thoughts, anyhow.
Ephemeral Waves The Nine Gates	Posted - 2007.12.07 21:12:00 - [7] I prefer that style of play to the style that is "oh noes, I lost a ship and need to cry about it on COAD". I make sigs
Deathifier Minmatar Carebears Must Die Ltd.	Posted - 2007.12.07 21:15:00 - [8] Originally by: Ephemeral Waves I prefer that style of play to the style that is "oh noes, I lost a ship and need to cry about it on COAD". lol well they'd be posting on the wrong forum for starters I had one particular alliance in mind when creating this post though. Needless to say they should be losing quite a few towers over the coming months
Malcanis High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.07 21:19:00 - [9] Originally by: Deathifier Edited by: Deathifier on 07/12/2007 20:45:06 Hi, just want to get peoples opinions on this. In my travels through the world of Eve, I've noticed in a few regions of empire space Alliances claiming ownership of low sec (0.1-0.4) systems and operating a NBSI policy. For neutrals doing missions in these systems it amounts to piracy under another name. Is this low-sec empire 'land grab' fairly common throughout the eve galaxy, and if so what do you think of this style of play. Imho it's a method for carebear alliances who woudln't hack it in 0.0 to push their weight around. But that's just my opinion. 1 gun, 1 vote. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Koi Yokuma Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.07 21:37:00 - [10] Originally by: Malcanis 1 gun, 1 vote. Can't argue with that.
Farham AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.12.07 21:38:00 - [11] Quote: Is this low-sec empire 'land grab' fairly common throughout the eve galaxy, and if so what do you think of this style of play. Might makes right. Intrepid Crossing Diplomat and All Around Major Idiot
Captain Blart Hideous Mutant Freekz	Posted - 2007.12.07 21:48:00 - [12] Edited by: Captain Blart on 07/12/2007 21:48:40 Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Your opinion counts, a lot. And troll's opinion count double ?
Chip2k3 Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.12.07 21:49:00 - [13] you realise the irony of writing a "i cant mission in low-sec" whine when your corp name is carebears must die?? MEMBER OF TEAM TURBOÖ
PYROnoxx Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.12.07 21:52:00 - [14] personally i think it would be nice to put the alliance name on low security systems with a kind of sub-sovereignty for systems i think protectorate is a way to put it (?) anyway stop posting no one really cares about empire anyway
Spoon Thumb Paladin Imperium	Posted - 2007.12.07 21:59:00 - [15] My old alliance practiced NRDS in low sec, protecting mission runners (who incidentally were our members or friends and certainly no carebears. Mission running ships are great for ganking small gangs of pirates. they don't come back). Then an NBSI alliance moved in. We NAP'ed them since we were smaller, but in the end they were such a bunch of *******s in the way they treated their members and others in the region, they got booted out and fell apart Khaldari khanidpublic : RP channel for supporters of the Kingdom Recruiting
Spoon Thumb Paladin Imperium	Posted - 2007.12.07 22:02:00 - [16] Been out of region for a while, but one of my old friends still there said that some NBSI groups had started moving in again (different ones). History repeating itself? Basically, alliances that are just made of pirates that want cheap ganks and no effort to actually foster relations with other corps / groups have a short life expectancy Khaldari khanidpublic : RP channel for supporters of the Kingdom Recruiting
Asylum Seaker Quam Singulari The Church.	Posted - 2007.12.07 22:03:00 - [17] The validity of these claims is not based on your, or anyone else's judgment, but on how effectively they can kill you. The universe is hostile, so impersonal, devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been.
Deathifier Minmatar Carebears Must Die Ltd.	Posted - 2007.12.07 22:03:00 - [18] Originally by: Chip2k3 you realise the irony of writing a "i cant mission in low-sec" whine when your corp name is carebears must die?? Maybe you should stop making foolish assumptions first. The reason I created this post was due to a convo I seen on local chat a few days ago, with a lot of smacktalk coming from the mission runner. I'm not really into mission running tbh and as you already mentioned my corp name suggests :) I just wanted to find out if claiming virtual soverignty (sp) over low sec empire systems was common through eve.
commander doom Cult of War	Posted - 2007.12.07 22:08:00 - [19] why do goonswarm have to smack every thread there is going. They trying to make a name for them self like BoB? just a shame that BoB brought it in game as well as out withiut having to use 5-1 odds! ASCN anyone? Goons<BOB
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.07 22:08:00 - [20] People shoot people. And then, like, people totally shoot them back. If someone says they "own" low-sec space, and they effectively control what goes on in it, and no-one is stopping them, then they own it. Whether you call it piracy, murder or territorial control is really neither here nor there when talking about blowing up internet spaceships. Personally, I'd say that blowing people up in your own 0.0 space is "defence", doing it in other peoples 0.0 is "raiding" (no WoW connotations intended), doing it lots in other peoples territory is "invading", and doing it in Empire is "piracy". But thats just me. ------ Originally by: CCP Prism X There's no such thing as playing too much EvE! You all obviously need more accounts!
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.12.07 22:09:00 - [21] You'll find some alliances get pretty provincial over their favorite pipes into no-sec.
sakana North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.12.07 22:09:00 - [22] If their just carebears then why dont you stop them?
tesame	Posted - 2007.12.07 22:10:00 - [23] Originally by: Spoon Thumb NRDS in low sec, NOT RED DON'T SHOOT means you support macro runners. And you support selling isk for money. Good for you...
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.12.07 22:11:00 - [24] Originally by: tesame Originally by: Spoon Thumb NRDS in low sec, NOT RED DON'T SHOOT means you support macro runners. And you support selling isk for money. Good for you... Vice President Cheney?
Spoon Thumb Paladin Imperium	Posted - 2007.12.07 22:21:00 - [25] Edited by: Spoon Thumb on 07/12/2007 22:22:39 edit: /me helpessly falls into the trap of trying to reply to someone else's post Originally by: Janu Hull Originally by: tesame Originally by: Spoon Thumb NRDS in low sec, NOT RED DON'T SHOOT means you support macro runners. And you support selling isk for money. Good for you... Vice President Cheney? This was beforem macro haulers were invented Khaldari khanidpublic : RP channel for supporters of the Kingdom Recruiting
Spoon Thumb Paladin Imperium	Posted - 2007.12.07 22:21:00 - [26] Originally by: tesame Originally by: Spoon Thumb NRDS in low sec, NOT RED DON'T SHOOT means you support macro runners. And you support selling isk for money. Good for you... And no it doesn't Khaldari khanidpublic : RP channel for supporters of the Kingdom Recruiting
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.12.07 22:31:00 - [27] Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Your opinion counts, a lot. In my opinion, Cippa's opinion that your opinion counts, a lot, is the proper opinion for an opinionated felow, so I will share his opinion. But the again, who cares about my opinion? D-F-C recruitment closed
Koi Yokuma Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.07 22:31:00 - [28] Hi Patch! o/
Raem Civrie Sons of Enelaise Enelaise	Posted - 2007.12.07 22:50:00 - [29] NBSI in 0.0 is piracy NBSI in lowsec is piracy NBSI in highsec is piracy No-one cares that you call them that unless you're a bigger entity that can wardec them and prove they're pirates through force of arms. ---
Deathifier Minmatar Carebears Must Die Ltd.	Posted - 2007.12.07 22:51:00 - [30] Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Edited by: Cippalippus Primus on 07/12/2007 22:45:01 Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Your opinion counts, a lot. In my opinion, Cippa's opinion that your opinion counts, a lot, is the proper opinion for an opinionated felow, so I will share his opinion. But the again, who cares about my opinion? Well, I do. I expecially love how the OP cloaked his whine for getting ganked in low sec with this thread. Pay attention tard, I gave the reasons I created this thread above. I'm not a mission runner/carebear type. Now stop flaming and return to your Tardswarm plz
Cippalippus Primus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.07 22:54:00 - [31] Damn, I hit a weak spot. Sorry man... How many were there? What did you lose? Condolences
Value Added GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.07 22:56:00 - [32] Is this the thread where we gnash our teeth and stamp our feet about the inequities of EVE?
Deathifier Minmatar Carebears Must Die Ltd.	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:00:00 - [33] FFS, what is it with you Goonswarm? I created this thread simply to know if alliances claiming low sec systems were common throughout the eve galaxy..... allthough continue to troll if thats what pleases you.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:01:00 - [34] Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Damn, I hit a weak spot. Sorry man... How many were there? What did you lose? Condolences Also, did they give you angry propellers for carrying a certain amount of "it" to the location? Whispers: Am I doing it rite? D-F-C recruitment closed
Kastar Memphis Technologies Intergalactic Brotherhood	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:01:00 - [35] Posting in a standard "I posted nonsense thread and I won't admit I did. I will continue to argue over everyjthing anyone posts" thread -----------------------------------------------
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:02:00 - [36] Originally by: Deathifier FFS, what is it with you Goonswarm? I created this thread simply to know if alliances claiming low sec systems were common throughout the eve galaxy..... allthough continue to troll if thats what pleases you. Hint: Goons do it just to crank you up. You're just playing into their hands by getting mad. Just relax and enjoy it. It's much more fun. D-F-C recruitment closed
Spoon Thumb Paladin Imperium	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:19:00 - [37] This forum has nothing to do with what it says in the description. In answer to your question: Yes, but it doesn't mean much Khaldari khanidpublic : RP channel for supporters of the Kingdom Recruiting
Cippalippus Primus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:21:00 - [38] Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Damn, I hit a weak spot. Sorry man... How many were there? What did you lose? Condolences Also, did they give you angry propellers for carrying a certain amount of "it" to the location? Whispers: Am I doing it rite? Yeah man, in my book you're as cool as Dafuzz (very cool).
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:29:00 - [39] Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Yeah man, in my book you're as cool as Dafuzz (very cool). There could be no higher honour than to be considered as cool as The Fuzz. Hmm... my Avatar is going to need at least 10 pairs of sunglasses to look the part... D-F-C recruitment closed
Cippalippus Primus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:36:00 - [40] You can still roll a Brutor alt!
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.12.08 00:14:00 - [41] Originally by: Cippalippus Primus You can still roll a Brutor alt! You, sir, are just simply brilliant. Look for Coolchenus Maximus, alting in a system near you. D-F-C recruitment closed
Sanka Cofie Amarr Nubs. Insurgency	Posted - 2007.12.08 00:24:00 - [42] Originally by: Deathifier FFS, what is it with you Goonswarm? GoonSwarm, tweaking brittle people since two-thousand-something. -[WillChat4ISK]- I can be the handsome Amarr space captain. You can be the helpless Minmatar slave girl.
Dafuzz Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.08 00:58:00 - [43] Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Yeah man, in my book you're as cool as Dafuzz (very cool). There could be no higher honour than to be considered as cool as The Fuzz. Hmm... my Avatar is going to need at least 10 pairs of sunglasses to look the part... Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek. So that is why I am blind! -- -If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets..
Tyn Tetro Vanquish Inc	Posted - 2007.12.08 01:09:00 - [44] Edited by: Tyn Tetro on 08/12/2007 01:10:24 Originally by: Raem Civrie NBSI in 0.0 is piracy NBSI in lowsec is piracy NBSI in highsec is piracy Havent you heard, piracy is dead. Territorial control is part of eve and just like 0.0 lowsec has its "controllers" but calling them pirates is incorrect imho. IMHO any group of players that try to control/secure an area of land can not be called pirates. Pirates are a seperate entity.
Dafuzz Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.08 01:12:00 - [45] Originally by: Tyn Tetro Originally by: Raem Civrie NBSI in 0.0 is piracy NBSI in lowsec is piracy NBSI in highsec is piracy Havent you heard, piracy is dead. Territorial control is part of eve and just like 0.0 lowsec has its "controllers" but calling them pirates is incorrect imho. IMHO any group of players that try to control/secure an area of land can not be called pirates. Pirates are a seperate entity. Pirates rape, pillage, plunder, steal. Yarr? -- -If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets..
psylenz Exanimo Inc	Posted - 2007.12.08 01:14:00 - [46] Most of eve is run as NBAICPKYOIHEMTKYSI (not blue and I can probably kill you or I have enough mates to kill you, shoot it) but NBSI is easier to type.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.12.08 01:38:00 - [47] Originally by: Dafuzz Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek. So that is why I am blind! Brah, you don't need to see when you're as cool as you are (and by definition, as I am ). D-F-C recruitment closed
Dafuzz Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.08 01:39:00 - [48] Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Originally by: Dafuzz Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek. So that is why I am blind! Brah, you don't need to see when you're as cool as you are (and by definition, as I am ). . Xxxxxackkly -- -If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets..
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.12.08 01:42:00 - [49] Originally by: Dafuzz . Xxxxxackkly Brah, that's not nearly enough "X"es for an Xtreme dude like u (and me). D-F-C recruitment closed
Cippalippus Primus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.08 02:25:00 - [50] I'm feeling left out guys. sips gin fizz
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.12.08 02:29:00 - [51] Originally by: Cippalippus Primus I'm feeling left out guys. sips gin fizz Sorry brah hands out a pair of sunglasses D-F-C recruitment closed

ISD Santiago Cortes Caldari ISD Interstellar Correspondents	Posted - 2007.12.08 03:35:00 - [52] Cleaned Please stay on-topic. forum rules \| mailto:[email protected]

McFly Path of Light R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.08 04:23:00 - [53] Most alliances start in 0.0 build up their organization skills, industry and learn the basics of how to run an alliance. Learn how to setup and manage POSes as well as their pilots. Then with or without a friendly's help they move into 0.0 when they think they have what it takes. Also a move is often a good thing for a young alliance. Especially a move to 0.0 because you'll weed out a lot of the pilots in your alliance that aren't pulling their weight or don't have what it takes to operate in a 0.0 alliance. You'll usually lose a large portion of the mining/industrialists because they'll lose a few retrievers and want to go back to the safety of empire. But lowsec is a stepping stone. NBSI policies are in place to protect the alliance's miners from roaming lowsec pilots. Gatecamping and lowsec lockdowns are simply tactics to employ that protection.... -- --my opinions do not reflect that of my corp nor my alliance--
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.08 05:52:00 - [54] no one from 0.0 cares about 'piracy'
Mr Broker Amarr Station Gremlings	Posted - 2007.12.08 06:02:00 - [55] forget the term piracy, eve is for murdering in whatever sec you are
Sapha Solar Wind STELLAR LEGION	Posted - 2007.12.08 07:34:00 - [56] Edited by: Sapha on 08/12/2007 07:35:37 Yes it is common - yes it's basically piracy...but lets face it - if the alliance has a mining op and an unknown person jumps into the system who could potentially pop the noobs or miners its in the alliances best interest to send said person back to empire the hard way...pew pew pew Oh God it burns!
Eizana Amarr Scyanis	Posted - 2007.12.08 08:13:00 - [57] I see it this way: Piracy is killing other peeps to profit from their losses. NBSI is killing other peeps to protect your own resources and players. So if you indiscriminately attack other players in low sec because you want to score a killmail and gather their loot even in what you claim to be your territory - that's piracy. If you're attacking other players because you see them use your resources, because they have attacked your own players, or because you have good grounds to believe that they are enemy spies - that's NBSI. In short if you truly NBSI your aims are different from if you want to pirate and you'll act accordingly. Since you aren't looking for a gank, you will first alert the neutral that this is a NBSI area. Ask it to leave and give a solid reason for asking it to leave (why you consider it a threat). If the neutral refuses, then it is fair game. If you just roam around and kill anything without positive standing, that's piracy. Even pirate corps set blue standings, but they kill for sake of profit and killmails, not to protect their turf.
Criosachille Setenta Corp Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2007.12.08 10:09:00 - [58] My favourite policy is NPSI (Not Purple Shoot It).
McFly Path of Light R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.08 11:35:00 - [59] When I was in lowsec I liked the combination of enforcing NBSI and Piracy..Using NBSI as a pre-emptive security measure and reaping the benefits of the loot at the same time. -- --my opinions do not reflect that of my corp nor my alliance--
Ponderous Thunderstroke Republic War Machine Industries	Posted - 2007.12.08 11:52:00 - [60] Originally by: McFly When I was in lowsec I liked the combination of enforcing NBSI and Piracy..Using NBSI as a pre-emptive security measure and reaping the benefits of the loot at the same time. Lemme guess, ex-Endless Horizons?
McFly Path of Light R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.08 11:56:00 - [61] Originally by: Ponderous Thunderstroke Originally by: McFly When I was in lowsec I liked the combination of enforcing NBSI and Piracy..Using NBSI as a pre-emptive security measure and reaping the benefits of the loot at the same time. Lemme guess, ex-Endless Horizons? Ex HellHounds we were settled in the area around Miroona in the Khanid lowsec. -- --my opinions do not reflect that of my corp nor my alliance--
Raem Civrie Sons of Enelaise Enelaise	Posted - 2007.12.08 12:17:00 - [62] Originally by: Tyn Tetro Edited by: Tyn Tetro on 08/12/2007 01:10:24 Originally by: Raem Civrie NBSI in 0.0 is piracy NBSI in lowsec is piracy NBSI in highsec is piracy Havent you heard, piracy is dead. Territorial control is part of eve and just like 0.0 lowsec has its "controllers" but calling them pirates is incorrect imho. IMHO any group of players that try to control/secure an area of land can not be called pirates. Pirates are a seperate entity. There was a fourth line to my post. Quote: No-one cares that you call them that unless you're a bigger entity that can wardec them and prove they're pirates through force of arms. It basically means "no-one gives a **** about what you think unless you roll in with bigger and more numerous guns, in which case you can call it whatever you like". 0.0 territorial control used to be slagged as "piracy" back in the day through pretty much the same logical fallacy that the OP uses to decry lowsec control. ---
Zaethiel Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.12.08 12:21:00 - [63] It's just a way for alliances to justify piracy in their own minds, feeding delusions of righteousness. -------------------------- Piwate Bunny Wuv
Raem Civrie Sons of Enelaise Enelaise	Posted - 2007.12.08 12:22:00 - [64] Originally by: Zaethiel It's just a way for alliances to justify piracy in their own minds, feeding delusions of righteousness. In the end it doesn't actually matter if they retain superiority through force of arms. ---
Sanka Cofie Amarr Nubs. Insurgency	Posted - 2007.12.08 12:55:00 - [65] What about force of legs? Legs can be pretty forceful too when applied correctly. -[WillChat4ISK]- I can be the handsome Amarr space captain. You can be the helpless Minmatar slave girl.
Berrik Radhok GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.08 21:03:00 - [66] If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.
Raem Civrie Sons of Enelaise Enelaise	Posted - 2007.12.08 21:53:00 - [67] Originally by: Sanka Cofie What about force of legs? Legs can be pretty forceful too when applied correctly. You're not taking the matter at hand seriously enough. Light-hearted comments like that will only help maintain the status quo of something or the other. Whatever, I lost interest already. ---
Khul Drukath Maelstrom Crew Mournival Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.10 00:46:00 - [68] If you and a few other rich mission runners are having issues then you can always hire some mercs to come and protect you. ;) Hire Us
Kirsten Fud HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2007.12.10 06:06:00 - [69] Originally by: Friedrick Psitalon NBSI in low-sec is pretty much piracy - or at least serial murder, since they may not be after ransom. Alliances claiming low-sec under any other ROE are quite legitimate; pirate-filled low-sec is a great place to learn things while building skillpoints and assets before a move to any other kind of 0.0 space. (Also helps if your first move is to, say, a pirate-infested NPC-run hell of a 0.0 like....Syndicate.) I resent the implication that Huzzah and friends are pirates. We like to pew pew, Syndicate gives us lots of pew pew, Yarrrrrrr!
Danari Amarr Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.10 07:26:00 - [70] A group that prevents you from undocking and ratting/mining/hauling in .1 is just as legitimate as a group that does the same in 0.0 npc regions, other than the security hits. If you're docked and they're not, they are controlling you.
Viro Melchior Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.10 22:54:00 - [71] I was a member of the "alliance" that got moved out of Khanid. Funny how history looks different depending on the viewpoint. After having spent a year of my life in an industrial corporation, and the latter half of that in a somewhat competent (concerning pvp... low sp averages suck!) alliance, here's my take: NBSI creates conflicts, and makes enemies. But it also diverts attention from the NPCers. NBSI provides targets for assorted practice and gang ops. Probing down mission runners is an excellent practice for 0.0 covop-pilots-to-be. Locking down gates is great practice, and you really appreciate interceptors and interdictors more once you're in 0.0. NRDS encourages "real" pirates to come in and shoot your miners with little to no warning. Without having pvpers at random gates in a region, or paying attention to d-scans, how do you know whether someone is cruising through space in a HAC and not an industrial? Ground Zeero alliance did have people in it who were interested in the piratey aspect of NBSI in lowsec. And we made efforts to control/remove them. After gaining a few million skillpoints though, our pilots and corporations did break up from our alliance, and most are now contributing corporations in 0.0 alliances putting their skills to the test, and proving that lowsec practice pays off. Oh, and we worked hard to make tons and tons of blue standings, but various corps and alliances still bunched up their panties over it. That's their problem - wasn't ours. To the OP: Get over it. It's lowsec, that means you'll get shot. If you want to operate in space with a NBSI alliance, TALK TO THEIR DIPLOMAT FOR STANDINGS!!!. If they are half-decent NBSI lowsec corp, they'll have ideas in place for setting mutual standings, coordinating defense, and possibly paying for the security their pilots provide for the mission running. GZ had several groups that paid "protection money" or helped significantly with PvP. If you didn't want to pay, you were welcome to run your missions somewhere else. Not like EVE has a lack of agents. Same applies to you. NBSI lowsec corp got your family jewels? Move out and make your money elsewhere.
Grainsalt Free Corp Liberty Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.10 23:37:00 - [72] I am an alliance and I claim Issinoka Spacelane ... Beware.. On a serious note, Amarr low sec space is huge compared to others and is a very good area to learn and hone those skills needed for 0.0... i.e. It is empty, everyone is napped and it's a pain to make isk... oh no wait, you lose sec status vive la 0.4 --- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=554257

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