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Tripden SGL	Posted - 2007.12.08 11:59:00 - [1] What can one expect to pay in the near future for a marauder class ship. Are we talking 500mil+ ? Thanks for all the input.
Glarion Garnier Solar Wind STELLAR LEGION	Posted - 2007.12.08 12:52:00 - [2] I bet 800+ for the long for seeable future -RonP 2008-
Ruffio Sepico Minmatar Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2007.12.08 14:13:00 - [3] Originally by: Glarion Garnier I bet 800+ for the long for seeable future http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=653654 maybe double that... Home: http://www.hidden-agenda.co.uk
Treelox Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party	Posted - 2007.12.08 14:40:00 - [4] Edited by: Treelox on 08/12/2007 14:40:52 Originally by: Tripden What can one expect to pay in the near future for a marauder class ship. The correct answer is; As high a price as the market can bear. Yes thats a nebulous answer, but then again so is your time frame of "near future" ---- edit changed bare to bear, cause i fail at my own native language --
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2007.12.08 15:56:00 - [5] Hey Treelox, you know CCP fixed the ISk spammers on the forums. We can drop the sig campaign you know. Now to just get CCP to code the option of "Block Trial Accounts" into the client. Then, resellers will be totally off our radars. My Latest Auction!!
Sphynx Stormlord Gallente Anqara Tech	Posted - 2007.12.08 17:24:00 - [6] Last night I calculated the build cost of a Golem to be 890 mil based on jita component sell prices, and using a ME -5 bpc (which will cost something too).
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Ruffio Sepico Minmatar Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2007.12.08 21:52:00 - [11] Originally by: Ricdic lol @ random alt trying to achieve cool status. It's like on The Incredibles with that little wonderboy noob tagging along trying to be cool. Anyway he turns evil and becomes my arch enemy!. Most of my arch enemies turn into scammers funnily enough Your true identity? Home: http://www.hidden-agenda.co.uk
Motivated Prophet Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.12.08 22:21:00 - [12] Originally by: Ruffio Sepico Originally by: Ricdic lol @ random alt trying to achieve cool status. It's like on The Incredibles with that little wonderboy noob tagging along trying to be cool. Anyway he turns evil and becomes my arch enemy!. Most of my arch enemies turn into scammers funnily enough Your true identity? Separated at birth? MP -- Proud steward of 47 billion isk in public money, and counting. Ask me about mineral compression!
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.12.08 22:25:00 - [13] Originally by: Glarion Garnier I bet 800+ for the long for seeable future Disregarding the grammar issues here, isn't the foreseeable future exactly nill? Meaning for not time at all? Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Ruffio Sepico Minmatar Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2007.12.08 22:29:00 - [14] Originally by: Motivated Prophet Separated at birth? MP dang, didnt see that one coming, lol... Home: http://www.hidden-agenda.co.uk
Heten Oviri	Posted - 2007.12.09 05:21:00 - [15] I've seen Golem BPCs sell for about 150-200 mil per run. Materials cost estimates vary widely from 400 to 700+ mil. Since these ships are brand spanking new of course first sales will be overpriced, probably somewhere in 1-1.8 bil range.
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.12.09 05:45:00 - [16] Edited by: Shadarle on 09/12/2007 05:54:14 Originally by: Heten Oviri I've seen Golem BPCs sell for about 150-200 mil per run. Materials cost estimates vary widely from 400 to 700+ mil. Since these ships are brand spanking new of course first sales will be overpriced, probably somewhere in 1-1.8 bil range. Yup, but they will be down well below 800 mil fairly quickly. Within two weeks I'd bet. Everyone and their brother is inventing Golems right now. There are are stupid amount of BPC's up for sale. They started at 300-400+ mil per run and have fallen to 150ish or below per run in some cases. Right now T2 prices are high because a ton of people are planning to build all the new T2 ships. Once they realize the profits on them are pretty bad you'll see a lot of people stop buying the t2 components and they'll sell off extras they have. Prices will crash (as happens whenever speculation drives prices sky high). As prices crash the price of Golems/etc will drop. My quick guess is 500 mil within a month. But this is a total shot in the dark. It could take longer for prices to drop to that point, but eventually they will. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.12.09 05:58:00 - [17] Originally by: Shadarle My quick guess is 500 mil within a month. But this is a total shot in the dark. It could take longer for prices to drop to that point, but eventually they will. Based on current Jita component prices the rough build value on a Golem is 1b or slightly under (975 or so). This value includes invention successes/failures etc in some way as well. Obviously the component market is pretty inflated at the moment but seeing start prices of 1.5 to 1.8b will not be unreasonable with (imo) a drop to around 1.3b after a few weeks, and 1.15b as a final resting place. Obviously as those comp prices deflate the build cost will follow suit but I still think end cost (assuming comp prices drop) will end up about 1b for a Marauder sometime in the next 1-2 months. Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Argenton Sayvers	Posted - 2007.12.09 06:07:00 - [18] The only thing that matters is demand, because its the only thing i cannot manipulate. My prediction for the rest of this year: 1b-1.2b (marauders)
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.12.09 06:33:00 - [19] There is absolutely no way prices stay at 1 billion for more than a week or two. The ships are not good enough. A CNR will be faster for missions and will cost 600 mil. Initially people will get them because they are cool, but cool isn't going to be worth more than 500 mil long term. Prices will drop back down a lot faster than people here are predicting. Everyone always predicts prices to be way too high on things. Just check the old Hulk thread for examples of this. Current component prices aren't even a remotely accurate estimate of prices as they are vastly inflated. Many are 2-3 times higher than they will be in a month. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Estate	Posted - 2007.12.09 07:43:00 - [20] Originally by: Shadarle Everyone always predicts prices to be way too high on things. Just check the old Hulk thread for examples of this. Current component prices aren't even a remotely accurate estimate of prices as they are vastly inflated. Many are 2-3 times higher than they will be in a month. You're vastly overestimating both a) why people buy ships and b) the speed at which the markets can handle stabilization. Moon minerals aren't exactly something that can have double output at the drop of a hat, and with the demand it may take weeks for it to balance out. If there are hoarders and this is just 1-2 people manipulating, then sure, but most likely the T2 gold rush has drained the supplies and it'll stay not this high, but high, for a while yet. Also, people aren't logical. We all know this. So what if a CNR is cheaper and still good at ratting? This is a ******* T2 Battleship. It's cool by its very nature. People want them just to have one. They'll sell a-plenty for a while to come. I don't expect the margins to drop and the inventors to thin for at least two months if not longer. As far as the hulk example, that was maybe a year later that prices were low, and that was even months after the cheaper invention had slowly whittled down the prices. They still hovered around 200m for quite a while if I recall.

Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.12.09 09:03:00 - [21] Originally by: Shadarle A CNR will be faster for missions and will cost 600 mil. I personally haven't done research on the Golem but LV has. Having him post here as he done some comparisons with my faction fitted CNR compared to the same faction fitting on a Golem. Will have him post Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
LaVista Vista Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.12.09 09:12:00 - [22] Edited by: LaVista Vista on 09/12/2007 09:13:13 Originally by: Shadarle There is absolutely no way prices stay at 1 billion for more than a week or two. The ships are not good enough. A CNR will be faster for missions and will cost 600 mil. Initially people will get them because they are cool, but cool isn't going to be worth more than 500 mil long term. Prices will drop back down a lot faster than people here are predicting. Everyone always predicts prices to be way too high on things. Just check the old Hulk thread for examples of this. Current component prices aren't even a remotely accurate estimate of prices as they are vastly inflated. Many are 2-3 times higher than they will be in a month. Which world do you live in? 3 utility high slots(Nos, salvager and tractorbeam, which you get bonus for!), extra mid, HUGE cargo for loot, target painter and shield boost bonus, less grid usage on launchers due to the 4 launchers with 100% bonus. http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0712/GolemVsCNR.png I dont know. The DPS is maybe a little worse(But higher volley). But the golem is WAY better in my eyes. :\| Oh, also the golem layout you see there is with no marauder skill, as EFT doesnt support it yet. So 7.5% bonus to your tank each level. How cant that be better?
Carniflex Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project	Posted - 2007.12.10 07:49:00 - [23] Some gadgets in Jita (and other trade hubs) are speculated a bit over their 'fair' price (like continious shield emitters selling for 150 k/unit while if you go 2 regions out you can still get them for 25k / unit). If you are willing to go around a bit then you can get T2 components needed for Golem construction (assuming best ME decryptor 1 run print) for approx 400 mil. All together then you could get Golem as low as 500 mil approx (plus invention cost), however I dont think that price will be normal anytime soon if ever. More likely scenario is 700 - 800 mil in some weeks (depending on print ME levels and what people can sell to still make at least some profit). Hell, I'm not inventor but did it only to build my own Golem (for mission looting) and are now sitting all together on 12 runs of Golem prints, so if people start selling Golems from the runs they don't need it would be obvious that prices will stabilize relatively fast.
Heten Oviri	Posted - 2007.12.13 20:02:00 - [24] First Golems that I've seen are up for sale in Jita. Price - 2.5 billion. Four have just been listed with 1 isk difference. Supposedly two have sold for this price already in the first 15 minutes that they were up .... I also see one Vargur selling for 2.4 billion.
Benvie Benvie Enterprises	Posted - 2007.12.13 20:32:00 - [25] Mauraders will never be 500m unless CCP vastly increases supply of moon minerals. They would have cost 500m to build at moon mineral prices from 3 months ago, and obviously would have sold for more than that.
Wieting Foyu Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy	Posted - 2007.12.13 20:35:00 - [26] Originally by: Carniflex Some gadgets in Jita (and other trade hubs) are speculated a bit over their 'fair' price (like continious shield emitters selling for 150 k/unit while if you go 2 regions out you can still get them for 25k / unit). If you are willing to go around a bit then you can get T2 components needed for Golem construction (assuming best ME decryptor 1 run print) for approx 400 mil. All together then you could get Golem as low as 500 mil approx (plus invention cost), however I dont think that price will be normal anytime soon if ever. More likely scenario is 700 - 800 mil in some weeks (depending on print ME levels and what people can sell to still make at least some profit). Hell, I'm not inventor but did it only to build my own Golem (for mission looting) and are now sitting all together on 12 runs of Golem prints, so if people start selling Golems from the runs they don't need it would be obvious that prices will stabilize relatively fast. Thanks for ruining MY market... I don't care what the ships sell for I will sell the items to make one.
Pink Roids	Posted - 2007.12.13 22:09:00 - [27] Originally by: Heten Oviri Edited by: Heten Oviri on 13/12/2007 20:08:54 Supposedly two have sold for this price already in the first 15 minutes that they were up .... Gotta love those patches :)
Carniflex Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project	Posted - 2007.12.14 08:40:00 - [28] Originally by: Wieting Foyu Thanks for ruining MY market... I don't care what the ships sell for I will sell the items to make one. It's not me ruining your market if you mean Jita. Buy now situation is clearly reversed and cheapest stuff is in jita with people who smell opportunity hauling smaller patches out from there and setting to sell in regions where there is no supply slightly above jita prices for those who don't want to travel. It's just the regular afterpatch speculation. Just make sure you move fast and sure or you will end up holding nice bagful of overpriced moon stuff with producers jumping on opportunity and dumping stuff on market by freighter loads.
ElCoCo KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.14 10:11:00 - [29] You ruined HIS market! How rude
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2007.12.14 12:02:00 - [30] Well golly gee, if we'd known it was your market we'd not have encroached on your territory. We's so very sorry. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.



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