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Jory	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:13:00 - [1] I am not the only one who feels CCP is a corrupt company only out to make money. They continually ignore the request of the people. They continually make this a game that can not be played with only one account. They force you to pay $14.99 extra a month in order to reap the full benefits of the game. One may say that there are 200,000 players but that is a joke. Soon anyone who continues to play this game will have more than one account. In OTHER words this is a FREE TO PLAY game with a monthly subscription. I say free to play because we all know those games are not free, the rich players buy the items that others canÆt afford giving them an edge. In this case the bought items are time. The time I waist to go back and get a hauler just to pickup my loot. Stop nerfing solo players you greedy bastar#$
Spurty Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:13:00 - [2] First to reach for the tinfoil hat! -- Two cannibals eating a clown. One says to the other "Does this taste funny to you?"
Admiral Pelleon Caldari White Shadow Imperium Burning Horizons	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:13:00 - [3] HOLY **** CCP WANTS TO MAKE MONEY?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!? QUICK TO THE BATMOBILE! ________ "It's a good day to die!"
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:14:00 - [4] can i have ure stuff Hate Farmers? Click Here
Jory	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:14:00 - [5] Yea, they do...By stealing yours.
Jory	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:15:00 - [6] never said I was going to quit fool, I have the money to run two accounts.
Admiral Pelleon Caldari White Shadow Imperium Burning Horizons	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:15:00 - [7] Originally by: Jory Yea, they do...By stealing yours. Hey, guess what. You can always leave. You know, stop letting them "steal" your money. Troll. ________ "It's a good day to die!"
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:15:00 - [8] There's only 100,000 people that play EVE. The other 100,000 accounts belong to Chribba. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:15:00 - [9] Originally by: Jory I am not the only one who feels CCP is a corrupt company only out to make money. Hmm, I feel a sig coming on... - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Bryg Philomena Green Lantern Corps	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:17:00 - [10] 5 accounts here. paid for using INGAME isk I don't have to be rich to be awesome :P Originally by: CCP Wrangler Am I reading this correctly? You claim you have a bug that undresses female avatars??? [gold]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/0707/sig.jpgYour signature image[/ur
SnakeByte86	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:17:00 - [11] Originally by: Jory I am not the only one who feels CCP is a corrupt company only out to make money. They continually ignore the request of the people. They continually make this a game that can not be played with only one account. They force you to pay $14.99 extra a month in order to reap the full benefits of the game. One may say that there are 200,000 players but that is a joke. Soon anyone who continues to play this game will have more than one account. In OTHER words this is a FREE TO PLAY game with a monthly subscription. I say free to play because we all know those games are not free, the rich players buy the items that others canÆt afford giving them an edge. In this case the bought items are time. The time I waist to go back and get a hauler just to pickup my loot. Stop nerfing solo players you greedy bastar#$ QFT. If eve was pro gameplay, they would have gotten rid of sellers and farmers years ago, but they make CCP money, so why get rid of them? CCP = SOE and EA games. The antichrist
Admiral Pelleon Caldari White Shadow Imperium Burning Horizons	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:17:00 - [12] ________ "It's a good day to die!"
Jory	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:18:00 - [13] Edited by: Jory on 09/12/2007 02:19:27 Originally by: Admiral Pelleon [Hey, guess what. You can always leave. You know, stop letting them "steal" your money. Troll. I just love CCP dogs, there just loyal servants
Malcanis High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:18:00 - [14] Originally by: SnakeByte86 Originally by: Jory I am not the only one who feels CCP is a corrupt company only out to make money. They continually ignore the request of the people. They continually make this a game that can not be played with only one account. They force you to pay $14.99 extra a month in order to reap the full benefits of the game. One may say that there are 200,000 players but that is a joke. Soon anyone who continues to play this game will have more than one account. In OTHER words this is a FREE TO PLAY game with a monthly subscription. I say free to play because we all know those games are not free, the rich players buy the items that others canÆt afford giving them an edge. In this case the bought items are time. The time I waist to go back and get a hauler just to pickup my loot. Stop nerfing solo players you greedy bastar#$ QFT. If eve was pro gameplay, they would have gotten rid of sellers and farmers years ago, but they make CCP money, so why get rid of them? CCP = SOE and EA games. The antichrist So... you'll be leaving then? CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Admiral Pelleon Caldari White Shadow Imperium Burning Horizons	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:19:00 - [15] Originally by: Jory Hey, guess what. You can always leave. You know, stop letting them "steal" your money. Troll. I just love CCP dogs, there just loyal servants They're. If you're going to troll please at least use proper grammar. ________ "It's a good day to die!"
Be'rar White Shadow Imperium Burning Horizons	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:22:00 - [16] I've only had one account and I fully intend to only have one account. I do fine all by myself. If your goal is to get as much isk as possible, then yes, you do need multiple accounts (Unless you get lucky). But if you just want to play the game to have fun, one account should do fine.
Jory	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:23:00 - [17] Originally by: Bryg Philomena 5 accounts here. paid for using INGAME isk I don't have to be rich to be awesome :P I wonder how many other players are forced to buy that "in game" ISK
Jirai Grepher Agressive Tendencies	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:24:00 - [18] Originally by: Jory never said I was going to quit fool, I have the money to run two accounts. The former and original Pel Mel All posts made reflect my opinion and not that of my Corp/Alliance.
Jory	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:24:00 - [19] Originally by: Be'rar I've only had one account and I fully intend to only have one account. I do fine all by myself. If your goal is to get as much isk as possible, then yes, you do need multiple accounts (Unless you get lucky). But if you just want to play the game to have fun, one account should do fine. That might be true for you, for others maybe making ISK is the fun they have playing the game.
Jory	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:25:00 - [20] Please take that picture off Jirai Grepher
Louis DelaBlanche Cosmic Odyssey YouWhat	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:25:00 - [21] I only got one account (& really only use one character on that account) n I dont feel too handicapped compared to multi account ppl. Course I know they can (dont always)make more isk & having others makes some parts of the game easier, but since i dont fly cap ships, dont mine & dont run a trade/production/moon mining empire by myself, I dont really need a 2nd account to still have fun/do what I do. helps that I cant afford a 2nd account or run 2 at once on the machine I normally use. So i actually have to try n make one account work rather than instantly crying "I need an another" & buying one.
Jirai Grepher Agressive Tendencies	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:26:00 - [22] Originally by: Jory Please take that picture off Jirai Grepher why? The former and original Pel Mel All posts made reflect my opinion and not that of my Corp/Alliance.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:26:00 - [23] Originally by: Jirai Grepher In Before Something Happens - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Jory	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:28:00 - [24] Originally by: Jirai Grepher Originally by: Jory Please take that picture off Jirai Grepher why? Because I think you could get in trouble for it. Just looking out for you is all.
Commodore Andrews Golden Goose Inc	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:28:00 - [25] Whats wrong with the pic? "Discussing moderation is a violation of the forum rules." <--- Ummmm I thought forums were BUILT for discussing?
Suran Ald'Ruhn Minmatar Jita Mercentile and Investments	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:31:00 - [26] I'm a trader by... trade. My goal is to make massive amounts of iskies and I do all right on one account. Yes CCP is in it overall to make money, welcome to the real world. You do not need to have a second account, a second account gives you an edge, hell buying ISK gives you an edge but your not being forced into either.
Jirai Grepher Agressive Tendencies	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:31:00 - [27] Originally by: Commodore Andrews Whats wrong with the pic? that pic really isnt anything compared too some of the other ones i have lol. The former and original Pel Mel All posts made reflect my opinion and not that of my Corp/Alliance.
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:33:00 - [28] Originally by: Jory Edited by: Jory on 09/12/2007 02:19:27 Originally by: Admiral Pelleon [Hey, guess what. You can always leave. You know, stop letting them "steal" your money. Troll. I just love CCP dogs, there just loyal servants You know, there are plenty of these "dogs" as you are calling us. And you can always leave you know. I promise I wont miss you. Originally by: Abrazzar OP needs to delete his boot.ini.
SnakeByte86	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:35:00 - [29] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Originally by: Jory Edited by: Jory on 09/12/2007 02:19:27 Originally by: Admiral Pelleon [Hey, guess what. You can always leave. You know, stop letting them "steal" your money. Troll. I just love CCP dogs, there just loyal servants You know, there are plenty of these "dogs" as you are calling us. And you can always leave you know. I promise I wont miss you. Dogs are colorblind, ccp fanbois are simply blind. You are of a lowerclass than dogs, and this is coming from a former fanboi.
Jory	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:37:00 - [30] and I was not calling us one, I was calling you one
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:37:00 - [31] Originally by: Jory I just think its funny how some people keep praising CCP for there expantion when it in my opinion is the worst thing that ever happened to EVE What we learn here is that your opinion does not define or even correlate with reality. - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Admiral Pelleon Caldari White Shadow Imperium Burning Horizons	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:39:00 - [32] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Jory I just think its funny how some people keep praising CCP for there expantion when it in my opinion is the worst thing that ever happened to EVE What we learn here is that your opinion does not define or even correlate with reality. And........ Thread. ________ "It's a good day to die!"
SnakeByte86	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:39:00 - [33] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Jory I just think its funny how some people keep praising CCP for there expantion when it in my opinion is the worst thing that ever happened to EVE What we learn here is that your opinion does not define or even correlate with reality. No its called a difference of opinion, MANY agree with him.
Jory	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:39:00 - [34] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Jory I just think its funny how some people keep praising CCP for there expantion when it in my opinion is the worst thing that ever happened to EVE What we learn here is that your opinion does not define or even correlate with reality. Reality is how one see's the world around them. In my world my opinion is reality, in others CCP blunder was just a funny joke that did not harm anyone.
Araxmas The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:39:00 - [35] Edited by: Araxmas on 09/12/2007 02:40:45 Originally by: SnakeByte86 Originally by: Jory I am not the only one who feels CCP is a corrupt company only out to make money. They continually ignore the request of the people. They continually make this a game that can not be played with only one account. They force you to pay $14.99 extra a month in order to reap the full benefits of the game. One may say that there are 200,000 players but that is a joke. Soon anyone who continues to play this game will have more than one account. In OTHER words this is a FREE TO PLAY game with a monthly subscription. I say free to play because we all know those games are not free, the rich players buy the items that others canÆt afford giving them an edge. In this case the bought items are time. The time I waist to go back and get a hauler just to pickup my loot. Stop nerfing solo players you greedy bastar#$ QFT. If eve was pro gameplay, they would have gotten rid of sellers and farmers years ago, but they make CCP money, so why get rid of them? CCP = SOE and EA games. The antichrist You are aware ALL mmo's have trouble getting rid of gold/isk/silver sellers. It gets to the point to just not bother. edit: bloody forums screwed my post. -------- The Derek Quote Pyramid
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:40:00 - [36] Originally by: SnakeByte86 Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Jory I just think its funny how some people keep praising CCP for there expantion when it in my opinion is the worst thing that ever happened to EVE What we learn here is that your opinion does not define or even correlate with reality. No its called a difference of opinion, MANY agree with him. You need to reread his post. - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Flex Carter Caldari Caldari Independant Mining Association	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:41:00 - [37] Finally... Something worth reading on these here forums. Keep'em coming fellows, donÆt hold backà
Cipher7 VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:42:00 - [38] Having money in RL has always given ppl an edge. Either in using multiple accounts or buying in-game currency or simply by upgrading their PC to be lag-free. I have enough for multiple accts, but I forget to train them and it's just a big hassle to alt-tab all the time, my second acct is shut down for a while now, and I use 1 char 1 acct.
Jory	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:42:00 - [39] Crumplecorn, where do those sig's come from. I love them. Is if from a manga/anime?
General Steele	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:43:00 - [40] I have one account, I don't feel down because there are others with multiple account - nor am I likely to be jealous of those that do(seemingly unlike other people). I make enough ISK to but what I need by the time I should be using them. This game is what? over 4 years old....I'd be a fool to think I could be making as much as the "rich". Honestly though, *****ing in the forums is going get you any richer.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:44:00 - [41] Originally by: Jory Crumplecorn, where do those sig's come from. I love them. Is if from a manga/anime? Rozen Maiden - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:44:00 - [42] Originally by: SnakeByte86 Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Originally by: Jory Edited by: Jory on 09/12/2007 02:19:27 Originally by: Admiral Pelleon [Hey, guess what. You can always leave. You know, stop letting them "steal" your money. Troll. I just love CCP dogs, there just loyal servants You know, there are plenty of these "dogs" as you are calling us. And you can always leave you know. I promise I wont miss you. Dogs are colorblind, ccp fanbois are simply blind. You are of a lowerclass than dogs, and this is coming from a former fanboi. I can tell you that I am not colourblind or blind. When something is wrong, I tell them that something is wrong. But oposite of you I bring arguments! Not just whines and simple trolling. I am sorry, but I simply wont degenerate down to your lots standards. Originally by: Abrazzar OP needs to delete his boot.ini.
SnakeByte86	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:44:00 - [43] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: SnakeByte86 Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Jory I just think its funny how some people keep praising CCP for there expantion when it in my opinion is the worst thing that ever happened to EVE What we learn here is that your opinion does not define or even correlate with reality. No its called a difference of opinion, MANY agree with him. You need to reread his post. I agree with every word he says. CCP every patch try to make more people need alts. CCP makes money from isk selling. More farmers, more accounts, more money for CCP. Like i said earlier, if they cared, people would not see the same 50 orebarges mining for months on end, but those 50 ore barges, are making ccp at least 750$ a month. That is like what? 9,000$ a year? You think CCP is going to stop them? That is only one group. This last expansion is not the worst thing to happen to eve, the worst thing to happen to eve was revaltions. This is just part of the overall worst thing to happen to eve.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:47:00 - [44] Originally by: SnakeByte86 Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: SnakeByte86 Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Jory I just think its funny how some people keep praising CCP for there expantion when it in my opinion is the worst thing that ever happened to EVE What we learn here is that your opinion does not define or even correlate with reality. No its called a difference of opinion, MANY agree with him. You need to reread his post. stuff You still need to read it more closely. - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Jory	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:47:00 - [45] Thanks Crumplecorn, my wife and I are looking for another good anime. And with all those sig's around it most be great.
Ciara Daag Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:48:00 - [46] Originally by: Jory I am not the only one who feels CCP is a corrupt company only out to make money. They continually ignore the request of the people. They continually make this a game that can not be played with only one account. They force you to pay $14.99 extra a month in order to reap the full benefits of the game. One may say that there are 200,000 players but that is a joke. Soon anyone who continues to play this game will have more than one account. In OTHER words this is a FREE TO PLAY game with a monthly subscription. I say free to play because we all know those games are not free, the rich players buy the items that others canÆt afford giving them an edge. In this case the bought items are time. The time I waist to go back and get a hauler just to pickup my loot. Stop nerfing solo players you greedy bastar#$ I dont have a second account and I get by just fine. If you choose to buy a second account,thats your business. As for them being out to make money,what do you expect them to be in this for?
Bulletproof Monk	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:49:00 - [47] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Jory Crumplecorn, where do those sig's come from. I love them. Is if from a manga/anime? Rozen Maiden They reming me of somthing like my litle pony, lol. Somthing a 7 year olf girl would watch
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:49:00 - [48] Originally by: SnakeByte86 CCP every patch try to make more people need alts. CCP makes money from isk selling. More farmers, more accounts, more money for CCP. Like i said earlier, if they cared, people would not see the same 50 orebarges mining for months on end, but those 50 ore barges, are making ccp at least 750$ a month. That is like what? 9,000$ a year? You think CCP is going to stop them? That is only one group. Do you honestly believe that farmers pay for accounts with real money? Quote: This last expansion is not the worst thing to happen to eve, the worst thing to happen to eve was revaltions. This is just part of the overall worst thing to happen to eve. You weren't around for Castor were you? Also, weren't you quitting? If so, do you just come to these forums to regurgitate hate-filled rhetoric? ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in ~~pink~~ Forum Warfare
Caldari Cylon Marines Of A New Dawn	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:50:00 - [49] Originally by: Jory never said I was going to quit fool, I have the money to run two accounts. Run Search and look for Boot.ini, then click delete. Reboot. ===================================== Option A: You talk, we listen, no pain. Option B: You don't talk, I remove your thumbs with my pliers, it will hurt.
Jory	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:51:00 - [50] Originally by: Caldari Cylon Originally by: Jory never said I was going to quit fool, I have the money to run two accounts. Run Search and look for Boot.ini, then click delete. Reboot. No thank you.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:51:00 - [51] Originally by: Jory I am not the only one who feels CCP is a corrupt company only out to make money. They continually ignore the request of the people. They continually make this a game that can not be played with only one account. They force you to pay $14.99 extra a month in order to reap the full benefits of the game. One may say that there are 200,000 players but that is a joke. Soon anyone who continues to play this game will have more than one account. In OTHER words this is a FREE TO PLAY game with a monthly subscription. I say free to play because we all know those games are not free, the rich players buy the items that others canÆt afford giving them an edge. In this case the bought items are time. The time I waist to go back and get a hauler just to pickup my loot. Stop nerfing solo players you greedy bastar#$ no one is forcing you to pay for a second account you are using the wrong parameters to judge your success in this game ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried! _lies above_ CCP Morpheus was here Morpheus Fails. You need colors!! -Kaemonn [yellow]Kaem
NoobAlt OrAmI	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:51:00 - [52] I used to be in ridin dirty, years ago. A guy in our alliance, spent 1000s of dollars on isk. Would freely joke about it in local. Nothing ever happened to him, after repeated petitions. CCP is greedy, oh well. Thats life.
Fade Dren	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:54:00 - [53] Originally by: Jory I am not the only one who feels CCP is a corrupt company only out to make money. Wow thats a shocker .... what the hell kind of company is out to make money ... what the hell ?! Those bastards ... its 15$ a month if you don't want to pay it don't pay it, they wont care and neither should you. This is a freakin game buddy remember to breathe.
Jory	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:57:00 - [54] Originally by: SiJira[/quote no one is forcing you to pay for a second account you are using the wrong parameters to judge your success in this game Who are you telling me how to judge success?
SnakeByte86	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:57:00 - [55] Originally by: Fade Dren Originally by: Jory I am not the only one who feels CCP is a corrupt company only out to make money. Wow thats a shocker .... what the hell kind of company is out to make money ... what the hell ?! Those bastards ... its 15$ a month if you don't want to pay it don't pay it, they wont care and neither should you. This is a freakin game buddy remember to breathe. I was around way back when eve was still in closed alpha/beta testing. Concord didnt exist, nothing really worked, and frigs were all we had. I loved it, why ? Because the devs and the company seemed to care about the game first, and money second, this lasted a few years in retail, a year and half ago or so, this started to change. This is why I am so mad, i know CCP is better than this, and it sickens me to know they have joined the dark side of big evil game companies like EA, and SOE. I want my old gameplay first loving CCP. The ones i was proud to buy and wear t-shirts for, the ones that actually listened to us, actualy posted on froums, actually posted warning swiftly for huge bugs/exploits. This is gone, and I feel like CCP has let us down.
xStormwingx NCN Corp Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.12.09 03:02:00 - [56] CCP wants money? my God, who would've thought... Ahh, EVE patches. Internet natural selection at its finest (or at least close). -------
Suran Ald'Ruhn Minmatar Jita Mercentile and Investments	Posted - 2007.12.09 03:05:00 - [57] I've discovered 3 seperate "farming" groups, petitioned CCP for each one and each group dissappeared from the area's they where farming. To me thats evidence that CCP are doing something about farmers. Its also in CCP's best interest to minimise farmers as much as possible, as if too many asteroid fields are run dry by over-mining they loose accounts. Wheres your evidence that CCP actively support ISK miners? and wild speculation does not count as evidence. At the end of the day... dont like it? bugger off, you have complete freedom of choice to pay to play or not. The rest of us will continute to have fun regardless, when we stop enjoying ourselves most of us will stop paying and move on to other things... as is their choice.
Fanjita	Posted - 2007.12.09 03:10:00 - [58] Originally by: Jory I am not the only one who feels CCP is a corrupt company only out to make money. They continually ignore the request of the people. They continually make this a game that can not be played with only one account. They force you to pay $14.99 extra a month in order to reap the full benefits of the game. One may say that there are 200,000 players but that is a joke. Soon anyone who continues to play this game will have more than one account. In OTHER words this is a FREE TO PLAY game with a monthly subscription. I say free to play because we all know those games are not free, the rich players buy the items that others canÆt afford giving them an edge. In this case the bought items are time. The time I waist to go back and get a hauler just to pickup my loot. Stop nerfing solo players you greedy bastar#$ It's a Massively MULTIPLAYER online game get some friends, ive never seen a need to get another account.
shortattenionsp	Posted - 2007.12.09 03:13:00 - [59] No s**t CCP is a company out to make money. They employ 250 people and half of them probably have families to support. They took a $2.6 million loan just to start eves development back in 2000. Please explain how in the hell are they a "corrupt" company? Do you hacve any idea how capitalism, the free market, economics in general works? CCP can do nothing about extra accounts making a difference without harming their profits. This is never going to change, they make lots of money from players with multiple accounts, this is a perfectly legitimate business strategy. Its not like your account is limited or restricted compared to other peoples. Everyone who pays gets, the same, they play in the same world, and their characters can do the same things. EVE is a very level playing field. There are clever people who make a billion after a month playing the game, and others who haven't made that in 3 years. There are no restrictions on your character or accounts compared to anyone else. There is no tiered system of payments or services, we all pay the same, and get the same for the amount we pay. If people want more than 1 account, thats their choice. Seriously, there are lots of legitmate complaints about the game, but generic idiot complaints like this mean you need to stfu and stop littering the forums with your inane whiney dribble. You think a poorly written and argued wall of text post on CCP's forums is going to radically change the way they operate as a business? Please go and play in some busy traffic.
Jolnas Arbiter Cosmic Ascension	Posted - 2007.12.09 03:29:00 - [60] Originally by: Jory I can't afford two accounts. Or I am a tightass who can but won't buy two accounts... or possibly I just like the moral highground. Something tells me CCP aren't a particuly profit high company... so I see needing two accounts for certain things being better then the other options for moar money. Damn Eve tv got cancelled.
VicturusTeSaluto	Posted - 2007.12.09 03:32:00 - [61] In before ISD fruitbar locks this. I do think CCP is at this time too focused on making money by making their(********) customers happy. They listen to all the caldari forum whiners that don't even understand the basic game mechanics. But that is their choice, if you don't like it you are not forced to play eve.
LvxAeterna GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.09 04:09:00 - [62] I hate to burst your bubble OP, but in the free world, all corporations exist for the sole purpose of accumulating wealth. If they don't, they will fail.
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.12.09 04:30:00 - [63] Originally by: LvxAeterna I hate to burst your bubble OP, but in the free world, all corporations exist for the sole purpose of accumulating wealth. If they don't, they will fail. Y'know, there are these organizations that function just fine, and don't exist for the sole purpose of accumulating wealth. I forget the name... OP's still a tinfoil hatter of the moonbattiest variety. CCP with **** Cheney at the helm would still be two steps behind EA and the Blizzard/Vivendi/Activision abomination.
Gamer4liff Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2007.12.09 04:37:00 - [64] Edited by: Gamer4liff on 09/12/2007 04:38:15 you can't put a $ in CCP like you can in Micro$oft =(. Not only that but I play fine with one account I pay for using GTCS bought with manufacturing profit.
LvxAeterna GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.09 04:38:00 - [65] Originally by: Amarria Black Originally by: LvxAeterna I hate to burst your bubble OP, but in the free world, all corporations exist for the sole purpose of accumulating wealth. If they don't, they will fail. Y'know, there are these organizations that function just fine, and don't exist for the sole purpose of accumulating wealth. I forget the name... OP's still a tinfoil hatter of the moonbattiest variety. CCP with **** Cheney at the helm would still be two steps behind EA and the Blizzard/Vivendi/Activision abomination. I'm not sure what you're getting at, but you did read where I said "corporations" in plain English.
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2007.12.09 05:01:00 - [66] Originally by: Jory I am not the only one who feels CCP is a corrupt company only out to make money. They continually ignore the request of the people. They continually make this a game that can not be played with only one account. They force you to pay $14.99 extra a month in order to reap the full benefits of the game. One may say that there are 200,000 players but that is a joke. Soon anyone who continues to play this game will have more than one account. In OTHER words this is a FREE TO PLAY game with a monthly subscription. I say free to play because we all know those games are not free, the rich players buy the items that others canÆt afford giving them an edge. In this case the bought items are time. The time I waist to go back and get a hauler just to pickup my loot. Stop nerfing solo players you greedy bastar#$ first you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Kadoes Khan	Posted - 2007.12.09 05:27:00 - [67] Originally by: Jory I am not the only one who feels CCP is a corrupt company only out to make money. They continually ignore the request of the people. They continually make this a game that can not be played with only one account. They force you to pay $14.99 extra a month in order to reap the full benefits of the game. One may say that there are 200,000 players but that is a joke. Soon anyone who continues to play this game will have more than one account. In OTHER words this is a FREE TO PLAY game with a monthly subscription. I say free to play because we all know those games are not free, the rich players buy the items that others canÆt afford giving them an edge. In this case the bought items are time. The time I waist to go back and get a hauler just to pickup my loot. Stop nerfing solo players you greedy bastar#$ CCP is no more greedy than you are, else you wouldn't care so much. -=^=- "Someday the world will recognize the genius in my insanity."
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.12.09 05:52:00 - [68] Originally by: LvxAeterna Originally by: Amarria Black Originally by: LvxAeterna I hate to burst your bubble OP, but in the free world, all corporations exist for the sole purpose of accumulating wealth. If they don't, they will fail. Y'know, there are these organizations that function just fine, and don't exist for the sole purpose of accumulating wealth. I forget the name... OP's still a tinfoil hatter of the moonbattiest variety. CCP with **** Cheney at the helm would still be two steps behind EA and the Blizzard/Vivendi/Activision abomination. I'm not sure what you're getting at, but you did read where I said "corporations" in plain English. Non-profits can still incorporate, and quite a few do.
Thaanvanite Minmatar ACCORD Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.09 06:19:00 - [69] Anyone who can't play the game with only one character isn't trying hard enough
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.09 06:29:00 - [70] Jory do you need a hug? Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
Stefx Gallente Moons of Pluto	Posted - 2007.12.09 06:30:00 - [71] Originally by: Jory I am not the only one who feels CCP is a company out to make money. You're right. Because you're right, you will: 1-stop playing Eve 2-never buy anything from a company trying to make money 3-not respond to this post because you are right and you quit Eve. If you reply, it means you have not quit Eve, you contradict your own opinion, and therefore your opinion becomes worthless and should not have been expressed at all. ----------- MOP recruiting Industrialists/miners/traders/missioners/etc
Estephania	Posted - 2007.12.09 07:23:00 - [72] Edited by: Estephania on 09/12/2007 07:24:34 Simple question here for the fanbois: If it's so nice and easy to play with one account, why so many players have 2,3 or even more accounts with only purpose of making ISK with them? Have you ever heard about players that can suck the asteroid belt dry with their Hulks in minutes? About players who have 2,3 accounts for RP grinding? About cynonets? Refining, production, trading alts? Why do they exist if it's so nice to play with one account? May be because there are things that you can not do with one account, or that you will have to train everything on that account and still you won't be able to be in all paces at once and do what they do? Eve is a very competitive game and in the end you're competing against those players, now tell me you are not handicapped here. Why there are so many activities that look like they are especially designed for multi-account owners? Who will have a RP grinding main? Or a trading main that never undocks? Or hauling main that only flies that fat freighter from point A to point B? Or main that only installs and delivers manufacturing jobs?
Verlaine Glariant Knights of the Flame Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.09 07:35:00 - [73] Edited by: Verlaine Glariant on 09/12/2007 07:45:00 Quote: OP needs to delete his boot.ini. Also: Originally by: "Stefx" You're right. Because you're right, you will: 1-stop playing Eve 2-never buy anything from a company trying to make money 3-not respond to this post because you are right and you quit Eve. If you reply, it means you have not quit Eve, you contradict your own opinion, and therefore your opinion becomes worthless and should not have been expressed at all. Therefore: Quote: Can I have your stuff? Verlaine Glariant. Tactical Weapons Specialist.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.09 07:35:00 - [74] Originally by: Estephania Why there are so many activities that look like they are especially designed for multi-account owners? Because its a MMORPG. And they are designed to be done with friends. Originally by: Estephania Who will have a RP grinding main? Or a trading main that never undocks? Or hauling main that only flies that fat freighter from point A to point B? Or main that only installs and delivers manufacturing jobs? Me actually. My main doesn't trade (my alt does XD), but my main has in the past grinded for RPs, hauled stuff (though not in a freighter) from A to B over and over (for weeks, solo, in 0.0), and currently my main only sits in a station and installs and delivers manufacturing jobs (while my alt sits in a station and buys/sells materials/products). So, does it mess up your rant that someone actually does the things you say no-one does, or did you accept that you were wrong before you even posted? - DesuSigs
Estephania	Posted - 2007.12.09 07:47:00 - [75] No, I was not wrong. The fact that most Eve players have more than one account proves it. They don't have that another account for the pure love for the game. They have it because it makes the game easier for them. There are ppl who enjoy something that most ppl aren't, there are exceptions, but they only support the rule. The fact that you do it with your main doesn't mean that everybody else does it with their mains. In fact, everyone I know do it with their alts. And ,most ppl I know have alts because they need a lot of ISK not to be limited in PvP options. Some play to have fat wallet, and here alts come handy too. You can't deny after all that 9 characters grinding for RP will grind more RP than one character, and it will result in more ISK for the owner of multiple accounts. You can say that you can go from NYC to LA by foot, but most ppl will use cars for that. Same is here, you can be very successful with one accounts, but vast majority of successful players will use several accounts to give them an edge.
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2007.12.09 07:50:00 - [76] Crumple & esteph: feedback here nao ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Morn Judith Caldari Incognito Inc	Posted - 2007.12.09 07:50:00 - [77] Originally by: SnakeByte86 Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Originally by: Jory Edited by: Jory on 09/12/2007 02:19:27 Originally by: Admiral Pelleon [Hey, guess what. You can always leave. You know, stop letting them "steal" your money. Troll. I just love CCP dogs, there just loyal servants You know, there are plenty of these "dogs" as you are calling us. And you can always leave you know. I promise I wont miss you. Dogs are colorblind, ccp fanbois are simply blind. You are of a lowerclass than dogs, and this is coming from a former fanboi. Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa here turbo! That's some pretty degrading talk you've got going on here. I understand what you're saying, but I think you're better off settling this on the playground during recess if you're stooping to that level. What exactly is your definition of a "CCP fanbois"? Some one that rebuttals the attacks against CCP? Is it someone that trolls threads discussing problems? Or is it someone that pays a monthly subscription to a company to play their online, imaginary space game and post on their internet forums? /emote points to SnakeByte66 and everyone else in this thread. If you hate the "CCP fanbois" so much, why on God's green Earth are you still giving them your money??? This is an honest question, not an attempt to troll. Originally by: Tarminic I WANT A THRONE MADE OF MY OWN CORPSES.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.09 07:54:00 - [78] Originally by: Estephania No, I was not wrong. The fact that most Eve players have more than one account proves it. They don't have that another account for the pure love for the game. They have it because it makes the game easier for them. There are ppl who enjoy something that most ppl aren't, there are exceptions, but they only support the rule. The fact that you do it with your main doesn't mean that everybody else does it with their mains. In fact, everyone I know do it with their alts. And ,most ppl I know have alts because they need a lot of ISK not to be limited in PvP options. Some play to have fat wallet, and here alts come handy too. You can't deny after all that 9 characters grinding for RP will grind more RP than one character, and it will result in more ISK for the owner of multiple accounts. You can say that you can go from NYC to LA by foot, but most ppl will use cars for that. Same is here, you can be very successful with one accounts, but vast majority of successful players will use several accounts to give them an edge. Pretty much everyone I've ever known in game didn't have alts, didn't PvP, and did what they did to enjoy the game, not just make money or whatever. I guess we just knew different groups of people. - DesuSigs
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.09 07:59:00 - [79] In response to the OP. Long ago, I played an On-line space pew pew game named "Mankind". It was created and run by a company called "Vibes". Having dealt with Vibes, I find it impossible to be upset with CCP. Trust me, CCP does NOT even come close to ignoring player concerns. Play nice while you butcher each other.
Heten Oviri	Posted - 2007.12.09 08:01:00 - [80] Originally by: SnakeByte86 QFT. If eve was pro gameplay, they would have gotten rid of sellers and farmers years ago, but they make CCP money, so why get rid of them? CCP = SOE and EA games. The antichrist Too much hassle and a big drain on the resources. Instead they focus their time and resources going after ISK buyers who created this market in the first place. As they should be doing.
Missy X	Posted - 2007.12.09 08:03:00 - [81] Rant threads are not allowed. Locked. Oh... oops I forgot, I'm not a moderator. Damnit.
Estephania	Posted - 2007.12.09 08:12:00 - [82] Originally by: Crumplecorn Pretty much everyone I've ever known in game didn't have alts, didn't PvP, and did what they did to enjoy the game, not just make money or whatever. I guess we just knew different groups of people. This is strange. I guess you're in a unique group. On the other hand, I can say that in every corp I was, most ppl owned more than one account. Yes, some wanted that capital ship account, or account specialized in another race ships, they wanted to enjoy the game from different perspective. But the majority just used their alts to earn even more ISK or move capital ships. I've known someone who had PvP main and 3 alts with Hulks to support his PvP, many ppl do invention on their alts when their main can spend loads of ISK buying stuff for his pew pew fun. How long will it take you to recuperate after, lets say, command ship loss if you have only one account? Back to grinding for how long? But if you have ISK pumping alts, nothing happened, you're in the new Command ship the very next morning.
SnakeByte86	Posted - 2007.12.09 09:37:00 - [83] Edited by: SnakeByte86 on 09/12/2007 09:37:34 Originally by: xStormwingx CCP wants money? my God, who would've thought... Ahh, EVE patches. Internet natural selection at its finest (or at least close). Actually, EVE patches are more like the opposite of natural selection. The smartest, fittest, strongest leave. The blind, the weak, and the addicted stay.
SnakeByte86	Posted - 2007.12.09 09:42:00 - [84] Originally by: Heten Oviri Originally by: SnakeByte86 QFT. If eve was pro gameplay, they would have gotten rid of sellers and farmers years ago, but they make CCP money, so why get rid of them? CCP = SOE and EA games. The antichrist Too much hassle and a big drain on the resources. Instead they focus their time and resources going after ISK buyers who created this market in the first place. As they should be doing. But they dont, it is common knowledge isk buyers are not banned, they are just fined the isk they bought, they will often buy more isk to replace it, if you can afford to buy isk, you can afford to buy more isk if you lose the first.
SnakeByte86	Posted - 2007.12.09 09:43:00 - [85] Originally by: Stefx Originally by: Jory I am not the only one who feels CCP is a company out to make money. You're right. Because you're right, you will: 1-stop playing Eve 2-never buy anything from a company trying to make money 3-not respond to this post because you are right and you quit Eve. If you reply, it means you have not quit Eve, you contradict your own opinion, and therefore your opinion becomes worthless and should not have been expressed at all. Just for the record, i havnt bought a EA game's game in 4 years. Specifically because of the way they treat their customers, and dont listen or help customers. That is my choice, this also goes for Microsoft, and blizzard. I never wanted CCP to get on that list, Eve of 03-05 era was my favorite game of all time, since then eve has been trash, and people dont seem to care.
Flex Carter Caldari Caldari Independant Mining Association	Posted - 2007.12.09 09:51:00 - [86] The OP mustÆve had few supports to make it a 3 pagerà But itÆs the Fanbois peek hour nowà
Mikel Crenshaw Minmatar Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.12.09 10:10:00 - [87] Quote: The smartest, fittest, strongest leave. The blind, the weak, and the addicted stay. So is there a reason you're still here? You know in my day people stopped paying for something they weren't satisfied with. Now people seem to delight in spending their money just to have the right to complain. Are you the kind of person who buys concert tickets just to heckle the band by any chance? Whatever, it's your money and you can go about wasting it on things that only seem to infuriate you, though it seems a horrible way to spend one's time. I myself am quite satisfied with the game, thus CCP continue to get the money for my one account. Simple as that, the day I don't find it to be worth it I quit. --------------------- "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one."
Elliot Reid Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.12.09 10:51:00 - [88] Yep they are so cash greedy they don't charge for expansions when most, if not all, other mmo companies charge for them. ******* capitalist, working man treading on, right wing, Margaret Thatcher supporting, General Pinochet loving, Tory financing bastards. __________________________________
Sae Sato Amarr The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2007.12.09 11:35:00 - [89] The bigger 'issue', as per your definition, is how much time a person has to play Eve. Time = ISK. I don't think the number of accounts matters that much, but time definitely does. Of course it's unfair, but what does CCP have to do with it?
Kurogauna	Posted - 2007.12.09 11:41:00 - [90] Quote: Something tells me CCP aren't a particuly profit high company... so I see needing two accounts for certain things being better then the other options for moar money. Yeah there is worse than ccp. I don't see advertising on every video game review sites. I don't see redondant reviews on video game sites I don't see big flashy tags for GTC in the supermarket. There is no super game guide 250 pages / 25$ outdated after the next patch. Not that much eve related content on the news paper (think wow) No hollywoodian supertrailers to hide the crapy graphics (think wow again) Devs don't have white teeth, don't have costumes and they drink beer intead of mineral water. In the other hand, i don't like automatic payment methods (fixed). Most of us needs 2 accounts to do metagaming. Need an investment of +/- 120$ (8 month x 15$)to really enjoy roaming pvp. ------------------------------------------------ Dont like baby blue ? Tell it to the devs HERE, Thanx.
Agent Li Caldari Galactic Defence Consortium	Posted - 2007.12.09 11:52:00 - [91] Originally by: Be'rar I've only had one account and I fully intend to only have one account. I do fine all by myself. If your goal is to get as much isk as possible, then yes, you do need multiple accounts (Unless you get lucky). But if you just want to play the game to have fun, one account should do fine. I have only one account. I'm in a small corp. No, I do not rule the universe. I don't fly around in a Titan. I don't have 500 billion isk. I'm not the uberlord of some alliance. I have plenty of isk though, without paying for anything other than my account. I have the ships I like to fly. I have friends online, and I go where I want to go in game. I have a LOT of fun. I don't see any problem. ------------------ "Don't be afraid to take advantage of your enemy's weaknesses. Becasuse winning is everything after all."
SnakeByte86	Posted - 2007.12.09 11:58:00 - [92] Originally by: Mikel Crenshaw Quote: The smartest, fittest, strongest leave. The blind, the weak, and the addicted stay. So is there a reason you're still here? You know in my day people stopped paying for something they weren't satisfied with. Now people seem to delight in spending their money just to have the right to complain. Are you the kind of person who buys concert tickets just to heckle the band by any chance? Whatever, it's your money and you can go about wasting it on things that only seem to infuriate you, though it seems a horrible way to spend one's time. I myself am quite satisfied with the game, thus CCP continue to get the money for my one account. Simple as that, the day I don't find it to be worth it I quit. I've stated that i have cancelled my account, and will ***** and moan for the last 3 weeks on it. Why? Because i care about eve, and i want it to not suck. That and school is over, and i'd rather whine here, then spend christmas with family. Cause they insane.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.12.09 12:06:00 - [93] Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 09/12/2007 12:06:32 Oh jesus! CCP is trying to make an income from Eve???!!!! THAT'S A LIE!!!!!! I hope you burn in hell for that blatent slander! Edit Wait, forums are libel, aren't they? Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton thats a boot.ini a file used by windows
flashfreaking LFC FreeFall Securities	Posted - 2007.12.09 12:12:00 - [94] Originally by: SnakeByte86 Originally by: Mikel Crenshaw Quote: The smartest, fittest, strongest leave. The blind, the weak, and the addicted stay. So is there a reason you're still here? You know in my day people stopped paying for something they weren't satisfied with. Now people seem to delight in spending their money just to have the right to complain. Are you the kind of person who buys concert tickets just to heckle the band by any chance? Whatever, it's your money and you can go about wasting it on things that only seem to infuriate you, though it seems a horrible way to spend one's time. I myself am quite satisfied with the game, thus CCP continue to get the money for my one account. Simple as that, the day I don't find it to be worth it I quit. I've stated that i have cancelled my account, and will ***** and moan for the last 3 weeks on it. Why? Because i care about eve, and i want it to not suck. That and school is over, and i'd rather whine here, then spend christmas with family. Cause they insane. Using pure genetics, it is proven you are insane => you opinion just became worthless. Let those who enjoy Eve enjoy it, and those who hate hete it and give their stuff to me, it's pretty simple you know...
Estephania	Posted - 2007.12.09 12:30:00 - [95] I think many ppl just can't comprehend some points or have the mentality that says "whatever I have is the best in the world". There's a big difference between making money and building the game the way that squeezes existing customers for even more money. If you can't get it, I'm sorry for you. Yes, it's nice to fly in a small ship which cost nothing to replace (and does nearly nothing in battle), but in a while, when you develop your skills, you naturally train for better ships which cost more ISK. Try replacing those with one account. Are you enjoying grinding for ISK when your multi-account corpmates continue to PvP like nothing happened? ISK making mechanisms in Eve are especially catering to multi-accounters. Many means of making ISK require little to no activity, big time investment on learning relevant skills or doing something that is done simply because it needs to be done and not because it's fun do do it. Those actions are perfect for alts, but disaster for one account customers.
Jory	Posted - 2007.12.10 08:24:00 - [96] Hi, this is the Op. Why are so many people saying that I should leave? Um, EvE is like my wife. We are in a marriage. However, She (EvE) just keeps efing her lawer behind my back, (I know it's sad. And I stay becuase we are married, and I love her !@#!ing she gives me after the lawer gets his. Besides I have a mistress as well. Her name is the beta of Nc soft's Aion. P.s I am trying to say I really love EvE, I just hate some of their actions.
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.10 08:39:00 - [97] Originally by: Jory Hi, this is the Op. Why are so many people saying that I should leave? Um, EvE is like my wife. We are in a marriage. However, She (EvE) just keeps efing her lawer behind my back, (I know it's sad. And I stay becuase we are married, and I love her !@#!ing she gives me after the lawer gets his. Besides I have a mistress as well. Her name is the beta of Nc soft's Aion. P.s I am trying to say I really love EvE, I just hate some of their actions. You either like the game or you don't. It's that simple.
Sahriah BloodStone	Posted - 2007.12.10 09:20:00 - [98] Edited by: Sahriah BloodStone on 10/12/2007 09:22:19 Edited by: Sahriah BloodStone on 10/12/2007 09:21:14 ok lets see here 1. post with main so i can kill u 2. They arnt "forcing" you to do ANYTHING. You have a choice, i'd be glad if ungrateful people like u left 3. i play with 1 account fine its obviously not impossible 4.ignoring requests???Have you been on eve long enough to see they NERFED almost every Ewar module at PLAYERS REQUESTS (aka whinning) 5. You are a close-minded whinner that needs to be podded till you leave the game..then its on to the next whinner EDIT: TO avoid this becuz i know its gonna happen..this is my main..but its not showing my corp stuff under my name for some reason..anyone know how to fix? (apologies if that is ur main jory. If it is i am glad you'll see me round)
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2007.12.10 09:24:00 - [99] Originally by: Jory Hi, this is the Op. Why are so many people saying that I should leave? Um, EvE is like my wife. We are in a marriage. However, She (EvE) just keeps efing her lawer behind my back, (I know it's sad. And I stay becuase we are married, and I love her !@#!ing she gives me after the lawer gets his. Besides I have a mistress as well. Her name is the beta of Nc soft's Aion. P.s I am trying to say I really love EvE, I just hate some of their actions. eve is to Jory as mike tyson is to the heavy weight title to a woman: its a woman surreal ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
SnakeByte86	Posted - 2007.12.10 09:27:00 - [100] Originally by: Hannobaal Originally by: Jory Hi, this is the Op. Why are so many people saying that I should leave? Um, EvE is like my wife. We are in a marriage. However, She (EvE) just keeps efing her lawer behind my back, (I know it's sad. And I stay becuase we are married, and I love her !@#!ing she gives me after the lawer gets his. Besides I have a mistress as well. Her name is the beta of Nc soft's Aion. P.s I am trying to say I really love EvE, I just hate some of their actions. You either like the game or you don't. It's that simple. The thing is, I know dozens of people who used to love this game, and now dont play because CCP ruined it in 2006. Simple as that, this game ruled, untill ccp decided they knew best, and started nerfing everysingle module/ship/tactic. Now its the same thing just different color ships. Everything the same, nothing is better then anything else.
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2007.12.10 09:32:00 - [101] Originally by: SnakeByte86 Originally by: Hannobaal Originally by: Jory Hi, this is the Op. Why are so many people saying that I should leave? Um, EvE is like my wife. We are in a marriage. However, She (EvE) just keeps efing her lawer behind my back, (I know it's sad. And I stay becuase we are married, and I love her !@#!ing she gives me after the lawer gets his. Besides I have a mistress as well. Her name is the beta of Nc soft's Aion. P.s I am trying to say I really love EvE, I just hate some of their actions. You either like the game or you don't. It's that simple. The thing is, I know dozens of people who used to love this game, and now dont play because CCP ruined it in 2006. Simple as that, this game ruled, untill ccp decided they knew best, and started nerfing everysingle module/ship/tactic. Now its the same thing just different color ships. Everything the same, nothing is better then anything else. eve is the only game that becomes more complex, more playable but still feels balanced to play and have fun in at a competitive level three years ago we didn't even have market in space, today we have global contract query, corp to alliance standings and the new km system, and more webby ships--this is hardly backsliding ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Freya Runestone Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.12.10 09:41:00 - [102] Originally by: Jory I am not the only one who feels CCP is a corrupt company only out to make money. They continually ignore the request of the people. They continually make this a game that can not be played with only one account. They force you to pay $14.99 extra a month in order to reap the full benefits of the game. One may say that there are 200,000 players but that is a joke. Soon anyone who continues to play this game will have more than one account. In OTHER words this is a FREE TO PLAY game with a monthly subscription. I say free to play because we all know those games are not free, the rich players buy the items that others canÆt afford giving them an edge. In this case the bought items are time. The time I waist to go back and get a hauler just to pickup my loot. Stop nerfing solo players you greedy bastar#$ the game is a mmo, the second m there stands for "multiplayer" i suggest you go familiarize yourself with that word, because it's quite essential in understanding what the game is and what the game isn't. If you don't want your money to be stolen then why do you hand them to the theif? What it basically comes down to is this: you want EVE to go from individual<group to individual=group
SnakeByte86	Posted - 2007.12.10 09:46:00 - [103] Originally by: Erotic Irony Originally by: SnakeByte86 Originally by: Hannobaal Originally by: Jory Hi, this is the Op. Why are so many people saying that I should leave? Um, EvE is like my wife. We are in a marriage. However, She (EvE) just keeps efing her lawer behind my back, (I know it's sad. And I stay becuase we are married, and I love her !@#!ing she gives me after the lawer gets his. Besides I have a mistress as well. Her name is the beta of Nc soft's Aion. P.s I am trying to say I really love EvE, I just hate some of their actions. You either like the game or you don't. It's that simple. The thing is, I know dozens of people who used to love this game, and now dont play because CCP ruined it in 2006. Simple as that, this game ruled, untill ccp decided they knew best, and started nerfing everysingle module/ship/tactic. Now its the same thing just different color ships. Everything the same, nothing is better then anything else. eve is the only game that becomes more complex, more playable but still feels balanced to play and have fun in at a competitive level three years ago we didn't even have market in space, today we have global contract query, corp to alliance standings and the new km system, and more webby ships--this is hardly backsliding Eve hasnt just gotten more complicated it got more tedious, more time consuming, and less fun. Somewhere CCP lost the vision of a game, a game is about fun, not how many hours you can sit semi afk, while you haul things. PS market in space was the best thing CCP ever did. I used to hate docking to look at prices and buy stuff when i was in 0.0 15 jumps from a station
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2007.12.10 09:51:00 - [104] Originally by: SnakeByte86 Originally by: Erotic Irony Originally by: SnakeByte86 Originally by: Hannobaal Originally by: Jory Hi, this is the Op. Why are so many people saying that I should leave? Um, EvE is like my wife. We are in a marriage. However, She (EvE) just keeps efing her lawer behind my back, (I know it's sad. And I stay becuase we are married, and I love her !@#!ing she gives me after the lawer gets his. Besides I have a mistress as well. Her name is the beta of Nc soft's Aion. P.s I am trying to say I really love EvE, I just hate some of their actions. You either like the game or you don't. It's that simple. The thing is, I know dozens of people who used to love this game, and now dont play because CCP ruined it in 2006. Simple as that, this game ruled, untill ccp decided they knew best, and started nerfing everysingle module/ship/tactic. Now its the same thing just different color ships. Everything the same, nothing is better then anything else. eve is the only game that becomes more complex, more playable but still feels balanced to play and have fun in at a competitive level three years ago we didn't even have market in space, today we have global contract query, corp to alliance standings and the new km system, and more webby ships--this is hardly backsliding Eve hasnt just gotten more complicated it got more tedious, more time consuming, and less fun. Somewhere CCP lost the vision of a game, a game is about fun, not how many hours you can sit semi afk, while you haul things. PS market in space was the best thing CCP ever did. I used to hate docking to look at prices and buy stuff when i was in 0.0 15 jumps from a station the game is fun--if its not fun you're probably playing with the wrong group of people--the alliance game sucks compared to playing a smallish guerrilla corp, find some npc space, don't worry about tower management/stront timers and have fun again by ganking noobs, doing light invention, missions & exploration--the universe is wide open ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Culdees	Posted - 2007.12.10 13:32:00 - [105] Originally by: Sergeant Spot In response to the OP. Long ago, I played an On-line space pew pew game named "Mankind". It was created and run by a company called "Vibes". Having dealt with Vibes, I find it impossible to be upset with CCP. Trust me, CCP does NOT even come close to ignoring player concerns. agreed. vibes were quite a way behind ccp, but ccp are trying their hardest to get to vibes' level of notoriety. the recent patch would have to be the ONLY patch for any games, even mankind, that affected the os in that manner. i remember many a long weekend with servers failing, time warps etc with vibes at the helm. funny thing is once they stopped developing the game, the servers were quite reliable. cheats + developers direct interaction killed that game. it cant happen the same way in eve, but things like macro miners and the devs helping your lot are reminiscent of mankinds downfall.
Estephania	Posted - 2007.12.10 13:39:00 - [106] Originally by: Freya Runestone the game is a mmo, the second m there stands for "multiplayer" i suggest you go familiarize yourself with that word, because it's quite essential in understanding what the game is and what the game isn't. If you don't want your money to be stolen then why do you hand them to the theif? What it basically comes down to is this: you want EVE to go from individual<group to individual=group When you say multi player, you mean multiple accounts of the same player or am missing something?
Agent Li Caldari Galactic Defence Consortium	Posted - 2007.12.10 13:51:00 - [107] Originally by: Jory Hi, this is the Op. Why are so many people saying that I should leave? Um, EvE is like my wife. We are in a marriage. However, She (EvE) just keeps efing her lawer behind my back, (I know it's sad. And I stay becuase we are married, and I love her !@#!ing she gives me after the lawer gets his. Besides I have a mistress as well. Her name is the beta of Nc soft's Aion. P.s I am trying to say I really love EvE, I just hate some of their actions. If CCP were all about making money, they would shard the game to pieces, get millions of users like WoW, focus on getting crybabies to join the game (and get rid of non-consensual PvP), and that would be it. ------------------ "Don't be afraid to take advantage of your enemy's weaknesses. Becasuse winning is everything after all."
Lazuran Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation	Posted - 2007.12.10 13:59:00 - [108] Originally by: Agent Li Originally by: Jory Hi, this is the Op. Why are so many people saying that I should leave? Um, EvE is like my wife. We are in a marriage. However, She (EvE) just keeps efing her lawer behind my back, (I know it's sad. And I stay becuase we are married, and I love her !@#!ing she gives me after the lawer gets his. Besides I have a mistress as well. Her name is the beta of Nc soft's Aion. P.s I am trying to say I really love EvE, I just hate some of their actions. If CCP were all about making money, they would shard the game to pieces, get millions of users like WoW, focus on getting crybabies to join the game (and get rid of non-consensual PvP), and that would be it. They kinda tried that with EVE China and failed ... "...been designed for one purpose and one purpose only. Imagine a handful of repair drones pouring from the carebear's mouth. Now imagine they have um, nothing." -Unknown Hel redesigner (2007)
RoadKill101 Gallente Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2007.12.10 16:08:00 - [109] Originally by: Jory I am not the only one who feels CCP is a corrupt company only out to make money. They continually ignore the request of the people. They continually make this a game that can not be played with only one account. They force you to pay $14.99 extra a month in order to reap the full benefits of the game. One may say that there are 200,000 players but that is a joke. Soon anyone who continues to play this game will have more than one account. In OTHER words this is a FREE TO PLAY game with a monthly subscription. I say free to play because we all know those games are not free, the rich players buy the items that others can’t afford giving them an edge. In this case the bought items are time. The time I waist to go back and get a hauler just to pickup my loot. Stop nerfing solo players you greedy bastar#$ shut up you silly man ---------------------------------- llama's rule!
Malcanis High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.10 16:18:00 - [110] Originally by: NoobAlt OrAmI I used to be in ridin dirty, years ago. A guy in our alliance, spent 1000s of dollars on isk. Would freely joke about it in local. Nothing ever happened to him, after repeated petitions. CCP is greedy, oh well. Thats life. Well except that he spent thousands of dollars to cheat at internet spaceships. Gosh, I bet his parents are proud of him. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Drizit Amarr Lonely out here Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.10 16:19:00 - [111] I have 3 accounts and very happy with that. If I want to play solo, I can but if I want backup, I can log in to one or both of my other accounts. I have 3 PC's, monitors, keyboards and mice on my desk so it's quite possible for me to play all 3 characters at once. This game can be played solo as well, it's much harder but it's possible and I have done it for over 2 years. It all depends on whether you want easy, hard or extreme difficulty. If you want very easy, that is simple too... Just log off forever. --
Natalia Survenka	Posted - 2007.12.10 16:21:00 - [112] Originally by: Bryg Philomena I don't have to be rich to be awesome :P No, but you would be rich if you played life as hard as you play EVE.
Dr Paithos Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute	Posted - 2007.12.10 16:23:00 - [113] I would troll this thread but after reading I dont think it's possible Quote: Thank you for kittens, glitter, for warm nights in fuzzy blankets... Thank you for dolphins, whales... Thank you for cartoons, for birthdays, for candy and cookies. Thank you CCP!
Barbaro55a Caldari Amesha Spentaz Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2007.12.10 16:27:00 - [114] Originally by: Jory never said I was going to quit fool, I have the money to run two accounts. Maybee you should spend some of that money on getting a life. Possibly try interacting with other people, you may learn the intricacies of social interation. Originally by: ISD Valorem If someone has hurt you out of game then please talk to family, friends or Police (if necessary)
Lazuran Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation	Posted - 2007.12.10 16:29:00 - [115] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: NoobAlt OrAmI I used to be in ridin dirty, years ago. A guy in our alliance, spent 1000s of dollars on isk. Would freely joke about it in local. Nothing ever happened to him, after repeated petitions. CCP is greedy, oh well. Thats life. Well except that he spent thousands of dollars to cheat at internet spaceships. And the rest of us spend hundreds to not cheat at the same game ... Quote: Gosh, I bet his parents are proud of him. ... surely the holy wrath of his parents will cleanse all the effects of cheating in EVE ... "...been designed for one purpose and one purpose only. Imagine a handful of repair drones pouring from the carebear's mouth. Now imagine they have um, nothing." -Unknown Hel redesigner (2007)
Natalia Survenka	Posted - 2007.12.10 16:30:00 - [116] Originally by: Bulletproof Monk Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Jory Crumplecorn, where do those sig's come from. I love them. Is if from a manga/anime? Rozen Maiden They reming me of somthing like my litle pony, lol. Somthing a 7 year olf girl would watch Yeah, my daughter loves it.
DrAtomic Atomic Heroes Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.10 16:36:00 - [117] Three words: Commercial game maybe? com+mer+cial (k-mvrshl) adj. 1. a. Of or relating to commerce: a commercial loan; a commercial attachT. b. Engaged in commerce: a commercial trucker. c. Involved in work that is intended for the mass market: a commercial artist. 2. Of, relating to, or being goods, often unrefined, produced and distributed in large quantities for use by industry. 3. Having profit as a chief aim: a commercial book, not a scholarly tome. 4. Sponsored by an advertiser or supported by advertising: commercial television. n. A paid advertisement on television or radio. game 1 (gm) n. 1. An activity providing entertainment or amusement; a pastime: party games; word games. 2. a. A competitive activity or sport in which players contend with each other according to a set of rules: the game of basketball; the game of gin rummy. b. A single instance of such an activity: We lost the first game. c. games An organized athletic program or contest: track-and-field games; took part in the winter games. d. A period of competition or challenge: It was too late in the game to change the schedule of the project. 3. a. The total number of points required to win a game: One hundred points is game in bridge. b. The score accumulated at any given time in a game: The game is now 14 to 12. 4. The equipment needed for playing certain games: packed the children's games in the car. 5. A particular style or manner of playing a game: improved my tennis game with practice. 6. Informal a. An active interest or pursuit, especially one involving competitive engagement or adherence to rules: "the way the system operates, the access game, the turf game, the image game" Hedrick Smith. b. A business or occupation; a line: the insurance game. c. An illegal activity; a racket. 7. Informal a. Evasive, trifling, or manipulative behavior: wanted a straight answer, not more of their tiresome games. b. A calculated strategy or approach; a scheme: I saw through their game from the very beginning. 8. Mathematics A model of a competitive situation that identifies interested parties and stipulates rules governing all aspects of the competition, used in game theory to determine the optimal course of action for an interested party. 9. a. Wild animals, birds, or fish hunted for food or sport. b. The flesh of these animals, eaten as food. 10. a. An object of attack, ridicule, or pursuit: The press considered the candidate's indiscretions to be game. b. Mockery; sport: The older children teased and made game of the newcomer. v. gamed, gam+ing, games v.tr. Archaic To waste or lose by gambling. v.intr. To play for stakes; gamble. adj. gam+er, gam+est 1. Plucky and unyielding in spirit; resolute: She put up a game fight against her detractors. 2. Ready and willing: Are you game for a swim? Idioms: ahead of the game In a position of advantage; winning or succeeding. the only game in town Informal The only one of its kind available: "He's the only game in town for the press to write about" Leonard Garment. may+be (mb) adv. Perhaps; possibly. n. Informal 1. An uncertainty: There are so many maybes involved in playing the stock market. 2. An uncertain reply: It's better to receive a fast and honest no than a drawn-out maybe. ----------------------------------------------- iskies + my wallet = <3 Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed.
Torg Jupiter Minmatar Exploration Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.10 18:30:00 - [118] i don't want your stuff. none of it.
Mrs Saints	Posted - 2007.12.10 19:10:00 - [119] Originally by: Jory Edited by: Jory on 09/12/2007 02:48:40 I just think its funny how some people keep praising CCP for there expantion when it is in my opinion the worst thing that ever happened to EVE HAHAHA no that was the CASTOR patch way back..
Estephania	Posted - 2007.12.10 19:24:00 - [120] So many ppl are talking about social interaction and it has absolutely nothing to do with the topic of this thread. The topic here is that in order to successfully compete in Eve (as it is a PvP game) you need to run multiple accounts. That's the problem, not that you can't play solo. Playing solo != playing with single account
OOOSOOO Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.12.10 19:29:00 - [121] Originally by: Jory I am not the only one who feels CCP is a corrupt company only out to make money. They continually ignore the request of the people. They continually make this a game that can not be played with only one account. They force you to pay $14.99 extra a month in order to reap the full benefits of the game. One may say that there are 200,000 players but that is a joke. Soon anyone who continues to play this game will have more than one account. In OTHER words this is a FREE TO PLAY game with a monthly subscription. I say free to play because we all know those games are not free, the rich players buy the items that others canÆt afford giving them an edge. In this case the bought items are time. The time I waist to go back and get a hauler just to pickup my loot. Stop nerfing solo players you greedy bastar#$ Get a job slacker. hiccup
Empyre Domestic Reform	Posted - 2007.12.10 19:35:00 - [122] lol at new players pretending to understand the world of eve. the op actually makes it sound like eve has only been around for a few months. now i'm not claiming i'm an old player, as i didn't start in beta or anything like that. but i've been around for a couple years. i even remember harboring some conspiracy theories myself. those ebil ccp people. they take our $15/mo (many times that for some of us) then all they give us is gorgeous graphics, weekly updates and constantly adding/changing existing content all while interacting directly with the playerbase through various communities. all for no additional extra cost! can you believe it?! i hear they also secretly give space ships to terrorists and are waging a war on christmas. o'lielly said so on faux noise! The official goon buzz-kill.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2007.12.10 19:41:00 - [123] Edited by: Le Skunk on 10/12/2007 19:43:35 Edited by: Le Skunk on 10/12/2007 19:43:24 gone!
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2007.12.10 19:42:00 - [124] Edited by: Le Skunk on 10/12/2007 19:43:03 Edited by: Le Skunk on 10/12/2007 19:42:48 deleted due to extremee annoyance with the {quote] forum thingamee job SKUNK
OOOSOOO Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.12.10 19:44:00 - [125] Originally by: Le Skunk Edited by: Le Skunk on 10/12/2007 19:43:03 Edited by: Le Skunk on 10/12/2007 19:42:48 deleted due to extremee annoyance with the {quote] forum thingamee job SKUNK what is this? hiccup
Reiisha Splint Eye Probabilities Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.10 19:54:00 - [126] Originally by: Jory I am not the only one who feels CCP is a corrupt company only out to make money. They continually ignore the request of the people. That must be why there's about 20 encyclopedias worth of patch notes. Originally by: Jory They continually make this a game that can not be played with only one account. Playing with 1 account now for about 4,5 years, and i'm not worse off than anyone else. Originally by: Jory They force you to pay $14.99 extra a month in order to reap the full benefits of the game. It's a subscription model used by almost every other MMO, in order to keep the servers running and the people developing and adminestering this game paid. Originally by: Jory One may say that there are 200,000 players but that is a joke. Certifiable numbers. 30,000 accounts logged in every night, on average everyone logs in at least once a week. If that many people have multiple accounts the 30,000 number becomes even more awesome. Originally by: Jory Soon anyone who continues to play this game will have more than one account. Constant stream of new people might also have something to do with it's growth. Last time i checked there were quite a lot of people asking for help in the NPC channels, i very much doubt that alts would do that. Originally by: Jory In OTHER words this is a FREE TO PLAY game with a monthly subscription. No it isn't. If you can make this game free to play without ads then by all means, do it. While you're at it, make World of Warcraft, Everquest (I & II), Star Wars Galaxies, Lineage 2 and all of those free to play aswell, that would be swell. Originally by: Jory I say free to play because we all know those games are not free, the rich players buy the items that others canÆt afford giving them an edge. They spent a lot of playtime working, grinding or whatever to earn those items. Gold/ISK buyers are still a minority, despite whatever you might think. In EVE this is even less of an issue, since you can't buy your way to success. A newb who buys a vet account with a titan will be killed straight away by a frig gang because he has no idea what to do. Originally by: Jory In this case the bought items are time. The time I waist to go back and get a hauler just to pickup my loot. I didn't bother reading up to here to make an informed comment before, so i will do so now. MMO's are a time sink. They entertain you for a monthly fee, at far better value than a night out at a club or a movie or 2. Originally by: Jory Stop nerfing solo players you greedy bastar#$ Welcome to Massive Multiplayer games. Go play Elite or X3 if you want to solo spaceships. Welcome to internet spaceships. EVE History Wiki
Leto Twin Amarr Caritas.	Posted - 2007.12.10 20:10:00 - [127] They are corrupt - we pay them monthly (like people pay for WoW/EQ/etc.) and they let us play (like WoW/EQ/etc.). Only, our expansions are free. I think the EVEO forums have more trolls than all of The Horde on WoW. snip Inappropriate signature. Please do not reuse it. Email us for more information -Eldo Davip([email protected])
Estephania	Posted - 2007.12.10 20:11:00 - [128] Edited by: Estephania on 10/12/2007 20:13:37 double post
Estephania	Posted - 2007.12.10 20:12:00 - [129] Originally by: Reiisha too long to quote The OP has several valid points and several pointless accusations. CCP is not a corrupt company, it's actually better than many MMO publishers. That doesn't change the fact, that Eve is greatly favoring multi account owners. I'd say, that being on par with others at the later stages of your PvP career with only one account is a frustrating uphill battle. That's why alts are so widespread in Eve.
Empyre Domestic Reform	Posted - 2007.12.10 20:29:00 - [130] Originally by: Estephania Originally by: Reiisha too long to quote The OP has several valid points and several pointless accusations. CCP is not a corrupt company, it's actually better than many MMO publishers. That doesn't change the fact, that Eve is greatly favoring multi account owners. I'd say, that being on par with others at the later stages of your PvP career with only one account is a frustrating uphill battle. That's why alts are so widespread in Eve. explain how they are favoring multiple accounts? how can you control who has how many accounts. where does it stop? truth of the matter is, eve is no different than any other mmo in this respect. i had multiple accounts on almost every mmo i've ever played. if anything, though.. they hindered multiple accounts with this latest update. if i use premium graphics, even at low settings, multiple clients become.. well, choppy is putting it lightly. and with their support of gtcs for isk, even people who wouldn't normally be able to afford multiple accounts can afford them with a little extra effort in-game. i know, that's how i started playing multiple accounts. that and i've seen a a lot of photoshops in my.. ok, that ones not overused but i couldn't resist. The official goon buzz-kill.
Valrandir Gallente Slacker Industries Cult of War	Posted - 2007.12.10 20:44:00 - [131] Originally by: Jory whoua no . -------------------------------- This has surpassed the Yarrdware specification and has been dubbed Uberware - Oveur
Mox Kaleb Caldari Omega Point Logistics	Posted - 2007.12.10 20:44:00 - [132] I figure I must be part of the single smallest minority in Eve - the ones who are reasonably content, and can't find much to whine about. I joined the month Eve was released, back in 2003. I played for over 2 years - the first year solo, the second year in one of the foremost pvp corps of the period. I recall only twice venting my anger and feeling totally hacked off with the game. The first was when 'missile splash' kept getting me popped by Concord etc. It could be classed as my only justified complaint, and missile splash was removed eventually. The second was Tank CEO popping me in Aurohunen, back in the day of 'jump in points'. I was new, inexperienced, and felt bullied. Months later when I started pvper (albeit on the side of the good), it was embarrassing to remember my abuse towards one of the legendary pirates of the period, and subsequent feelings that the game wasn't for me. Not a justified complaint at all. I left in 2005, and returned a year later with a new character. I'm still solo after 18 months, and with an older understanding of Eve, I make loads of iskies, and find very little to moan about. Granted, my current activities don't bring me into much contact with some of the facets of the game that are universally bemoaned, and are therefore obviously in need of some developer interest. But moaning about CCP being money grabbers, with little or no concern about the players wishes, and an apparent anti-solo attitude, is a bit bemusing to me. To my knowledge CCP have always been clear that they expect the game to move players together, and goals are always reached more swiftly in great numbers. It was always about forming corporations and meeting other players. I remember reading initial reviews of Eve back in 2003, and they all highlighted this fact. So I think the idea that CCP are actively working towards a situation that demands we all get a second account (or more), and thus make their wallets fat, is a little off the mark. Eve encourages strength in numbers, thats all. I'm still in awe of it, so I'll continue to pay my money. Eve time is happy time.
Estephania	Posted - 2007.12.10 20:45:00 - [133] Originally by: Empyre explain how they are favoring multiple accounts? how can you control who has how many accounts. where does it stop? truth of the matter is, eve is no different than any other mmo in this respect. i had multiple accounts on almost every mmo i've ever played. if anything, though.. they hindered multiple accounts with this latest update. if i use premium graphics, even at low settings, multiple clients become.. well, choppy is putting it lightly. and with their support of gtcs for isk, even people who wouldn't normally be able to afford multiple accounts can afford them with a little extra effort in-game. i know, that's how i started playing multiple accounts. that and i've seen a a lot of photoshops in my.. ok, that ones not overused but i couldn't resist. Here's the explanation. If you are playing this game for PvP, you notice that in most cases PvP is an entertaining way to lose ISK. As you develop your character, you move from frigates to cruisers, battlecruisers, eventually T2 frigs and so on. In the beginning it doesn't bother you. You are in a belt, ratting or a little mining and you are ready to lose another ship But as you progress, new ships cost more, modules cost more, even your enemies and friends become more experienced and use "cooler stuff". Now losses hurt. You have to spend more time replacing the loss, which means that you grind ISK when your friends are PvPing. You see that there are better means of earning ISK than just ratting, but you need to learn long skills and invest a lot of time for that, and actually physically be in some place other than your usual PvP playgrounds. All that means that you spend more time on things that are not fun and subsequently less time on PvP. Then you start thinking about capitals, Dreads and Carriers. At the same time, you notice how you multi-account corpmates/enemies always PvP in top ships, have capital (or even several) in their hangars, don't spend time grinding for anything, buy faction implants and modules. And you ask yourself: "Can you do the same with just one account?"
Galk Gallente Autumn Tactics All the things she said	Posted - 2007.12.10 20:47:00 - [134] Originally by: SnakeByte86 CCP every patch try to make more people need alts. Rewarding group play to the various changes and balances they introduce would be the true way to go.... if those changes were to be taken in the good faith they (ccp) would have you belive in. I agree with your statement purely because that seldom/never happens, sadly ofcourse it places the emphasis on just creating another account for 90% of people that become effected by those changes, because of the individual nature of resource gathering for the most part. Where it falls off the rails for me. I thought id support your statement anyway, as there's a degree of truth to it. ______
gen2	Posted - 2007.12.10 20:52:00 - [135] Jory, you're basing your opinion on an ASSUMPTION. You assume that anyone with 2 or more accounts will be more successful than someone with 1 account. This is just simply not true. There are MANY people with only 1 account that have a great deal more wealth (which seems to be your definition of successful?) than players with multiple accounts which they achieved simply by working hard, training right, and focusing their efforts on one goal. This doesn't take years of training, this is easy to do early on. No one is forced to pay $14.99 for a second account either. If you are so convinced that having 2 accounts is the only way to be successful, you can buy a separate account WITH IN-GAME ISK. Whether you mine, mission *****, trade, pvp, etc, it's easy to make enough isk to pay for a second account. According to you, that second account will even make you that much more ISK as well, in fact with your 2 accounts maybe you can make enough isk to pay for BOTH with in-game isk and not have to pay RL cash at all. As for calling CCP corrupt and nerfing solo players, that's just....well that's just so inaccurate and ignorant it's sad. If you feel that single account players are nerfed and "...make this a game that can not be played with 1 account.", then you obviously haven't figured out how to play the game. Don't blame your lack of research on the game, and different strategies on how to play on CCP. Name one other software company that is as involved with the player-base/community, informative of every software update AND hardware changes, and actually listens to player feedback on how the game should evolve. There aren't any. All game/software companies are interested in profit but most other games' producers ignore their playerbase entirely and simply chug away at raking in money, with little or no updates, no information for players, and no ability to provide feedback on how the game is working. While I may have my differences with some of their decisions, CCP has made break-throughs in the mmorpg industry. While you judge them for Trinity being full of bugs and "the worst thing has happened to the game", it becomes obvious you have zero knowledge of the computer industry. ANY patches, software updates, content upgrades, etc for ANY software (not just games) tend to have bugs, it's just the nature of programming. If you're surprised or offended that CCP is out to make a profit, then you're going to have serious trouble adjusting to the real world. CCP is at least doing it while attempting to provide their playerbase with the best possible experience.
Lt Angus Caldari the united	Posted - 2007.12.10 21:17:00 - [136] Get some friends maybe Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers
Juwi Kotch Gallente VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.12.10 22:22:00 - [137] Edited by: Juwi Kotch on 10/12/2007 22:27:04 Let's do a very, very simplifistic calculation: CCP has what, 250 Employees? Let's say from the CEO to the doorman they cost an average of 60,000 USD per capita and year. That's 15 mil USD a year. I would suggest that a company like CCP has a personnel cost ratio of around 50%, so that would make the whole thing cost some 30 mil USD a year. Now let's look at the other side. 200,000 accounts, which pay for an average (including Euros, USD, and people buying at shatteredcrystal & Co.) of 15 USD a month. These are revenues of 36 mil USD. That leaves 6 mil USD a year for profits - and investments, like ambulation, buying coughs merging with White Wolf and creating something new, expanding to China, or trying out new server technology. I wouldn't say, that this is a ripp-off, or exceedingly greedy. Juwi Kotch JOIN NOW, KLICK SIG!
Empyre Domestic Reform	Posted - 2007.12.10 22:30:00 - [138] Originally by: Estephania Originally by: Empyre explain how they are favoring multiple accounts? how can you control who has how many accounts. where does it stop? truth of the matter is, eve is no different than any other mmo in this respect. i had multiple accounts on almost every mmo i've ever played. if anything, though.. they hindered multiple accounts with this latest update. if i use premium graphics, even at low settings, multiple clients become.. well, choppy is putting it lightly. and with their support of gtcs for isk, even people who wouldn't normally be able to afford multiple accounts can afford them with a little extra effort in-game. i know, that's how i started playing multiple accounts. that and i've seen a a lot of photoshops in my.. ok, that ones not overused but i couldn't resist. Here's the explanation. If you are playing this game for PvP, you notice that in most cases PvP is an entertaining way to lose ISK. As you develop your character, you move from frigates to cruisers, battlecruisers, eventually T2 frigs and so on. In the beginning it doesn't bother you. You are in a belt, ratting or a little mining and you are ready to lose another ship But as you progress, new ships cost more, modules cost more, even your enemies and friends become more experienced and use "cooler stuff". Now losses hurt. You have to spend more time replacing the loss, which means that you grind ISK when your friends are PvPing. You see that there are better means of earning ISK than just ratting, but you need to learn long skills and invest a lot of time for that, and actually physically be in some place other than your usual PvP playgrounds. All that means that you spend more time on things that are not fun and subsequently less time on PvP. Then you start thinking about capitals, Dreads and Carriers. At the same time, you notice how you multi-account corpmates/enemies always PvP in top ships, have capital (or even several) in their hangars, don't spend time grinding for anything, buy faction implants and modules. And you ask yourself: "Can you do the same with just one account?" yes.. and i have. can you make isk FASTER with multiple accounts? of course. it's how most people with multiple accounts (including myself) got started. you get to the point where you make as much isk as you can solo and still want more. so you find ways to streamline your revenue process by micro-managing tasks among multiple characters. imo this is another level to eve altogether. but i dare you to train up 2 or 3 combat characters and play them in a combat situation effectively. there may be some that have gotten good at it but it doesn't come easy. in fact, i personally think it HINDERS your ability to pvp properly. this seems more like a complaint because someone is making more money than someone else and people think thats just not fair. you don't like it, start your own business and make some money. don't have time or motivation for it? not our problem. but you're not going to convince many people that someone who pays for multiple accounts, manages their schedule to accommodate training plans for up to 3 times the number of accounts and keeps them all coordinated so as to make money instead of losing it is somehow different than a number of people working together for the same thing. if anything, it's much more difficult. but this is another reason why some of us do it. convince me that this is something different than 'moooooom, billy has an extra dollar and i don't! it's not fair!' The official goon buzz-kill.
Estephania	Posted - 2007.12.10 22:45:00 - [139] It has nothing to do with extra dollar "whine". Yes, rich ppl IRL will try to manifest their RL advantage also online in one form or another. The point is that at higher level in Eve, the gamepaly for single account owner is a frustrating battle with the ISK, especially if he's surrounded by multi-account owners. That's what I'm saying. Not that multi-account owners get an advantage, quite naturally they do, but that it's nearly impossible to compete later-on with single account. Too many "end-game" things are totally out of reach of single account owners. Eve gradually pushes players into paying for more than one account by creating a strikingly clear rift between single account players and multi account players. Unfortunately that kind of statistics doesn't exist, but if we could see the distribution of wealth among Eve players (not accounts, but players) we would most likely see, that from certain amount of ISK, multi-account owners are in great majority. If we could analyze the population of many established 0.0 alliances, we would see, that multi-account owners are in majority there too. Tbh, I wouldn't be surprised if in a not that distant future, we will see in a recruitment section of the forums, that established and powerful corps/alliances will make owning more than one specialized account a req.
Juwi Kotch Gallente VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.12.10 22:49:00 - [140] That's the wrong mindset for an MMOG. That is coming from single-player PC games (or Nintendo, or Playstation, etc). I personally never played single-player games more then just to try them out a bit. I find them boring quickly. MMOGs are about playing together, not playing solo. I'm playing MMOGs for nearly 10 years now, I have learned that. I play together with others, I don't try to do everything alone. That's boring, and that's what the single-player games are for. When you play together with others, you don't need multiple accounts. Juwi Kotch JOIN NOW, KLICK SIG!
gpfwestie	Posted - 2007.12.10 23:05:00 - [141] Rumour has it that CCP eats babies and worships the Devil too. I suggest we all cancel our accounts immediately.
Ryoji Tanakama Caldari Daikoku Fleet Shipyards	Posted - 2007.12.10 23:16:00 - [142] Originally by: Jory I am not the only one who feels CCP is a corrupt company only out to make money. They continually ignore the request of the people. They continually make this a game that can not be played with only one account. They force you to pay $14.99 extra a month in order to reap the full benefits of the game. One may say that there are 200,000 players but that is a joke. Soon anyone who continues to play this game will have more than one account. In OTHER words this is a FREE TO PLAY game with a monthly subscription. I say free to play because we all know those games are not free, the rich players buy the items that others canÆt afford giving them an edge. In this case the bought items are time. The time I waist to go back and get a hauler just to pickup my loot. Stop nerfing solo players you greedy bastar#$ Instead of having multiple accounts you could make some friends. You do NOT need multiple accounts to enjoy this game. ~Ryoji Tanakama Daikoku Fleet Shipyards
Estephania	Posted - 2007.12.10 23:21:00 - [143] Originally by: Ryoji Tanakama Instead of having multiple accounts you could make some friends. You do NOT need multiple accounts to enjoy this game. Some ppl still can't understand that playing with friends vs playing solo is not the point here. Playing with single account != playing solo, as well as playing with multiple accounts != teamwork.
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2007.12.10 23:22:00 - [144] Capitalism generally refers to an economic system in which the means of production are all or mostly privately[1][2] owned and operated for profit, and in which investments, distribution, income, production and pricing of goods and services are determined through the operation of a market economy. It is usually considered to involve the right of individuals and groups of individuals acting as "legal persons" or corporations to trade capital goods, labor, land and money (see finance and credit). Capitalism has been dominant in the Western world since the end of feudalism,[3] but some feel that the term "mixed economies" more precisely describes most contemporary economies,[4][5] due to their containing both private-owned and state-owned enterprises, combining elements of capitalism and socialism, or mixing the characteristics of market economies and planned economies.[6] EVE RELATED CONTENT
Minmatar Citizen 4521577	Posted - 2007.12.11 00:56:00 - [145] Edited by: Minmatar Citizen 4521577 on 11/12/2007 00:56:31 It's a company. It's supposed to primarily be making money. Otherwise it'd be a non-profit. Which is not. Nothing wrong with that.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.12.11 00:58:00 - [146] i love the people who think that timecards appear out of thin air and that when they pay isk for their monthly accounts that ccp doesnt get payed Trashed sig, Shark was here
Empyre Domestic Reform	Posted - 2007.12.11 01:45:00 - [147] Originally by: Estephania It has nothing to do with extra dollar "whine". Yes, rich ppl IRL will try to manifest their RL advantage also online in one form or another. The point is that at higher level in Eve, the gamepaly for single account owner is a frustrating battle with the ISK, especially if he's surrounded by multi-account owners. That's what I'm saying. Not that multi-account owners get an advantage, quite naturally they do, but that it's nearly impossible to compete later-on with single account. Too many "end-game" things are totally out of reach of single account owners. Eve gradually pushes players into paying for more than one account by creating a strikingly clear rift between single account players and multi account players. Unfortunately that kind of statistics doesn't exist, but if we could see the distribution of wealth among Eve players (not accounts, but players) we would most likely see, that from certain amount of ISK, multi-account owners are in great majority. If we could analyze the population of many established 0.0 alliances, we would see, that multi-account owners are in majority there too. Tbh, I wouldn't be surprised if in a not that distant future, we will see in a recruitment section of the forums, that established and powerful corps/alliances will make owning more than one specialized account a req. so how about a person who works two jobs and can only afford to play an hour or two a week vs someone who has time to play 40 hours a week? they key here is to stop focusing on what everyone else is making, start your OWN goals, achieve them and be happy. personally, i see multiple accounts on the same level as multiple players, just one is doing it instead of several. it really has little difference otherwise. you're implying that the game just stops for a person with one account after a certain point and that just isn't so. i could have easily took my main and specialized in something in addition to that which he already did, but i chose to do it on a different account instead of the same character. that's one of the awesome things about eve. you can literally do everything, albeit much sooner with multiple accounts but you pay more and takes more of your time, with one character. The official goon buzz-kill.
Considered	Posted - 2007.12.11 02:26:00 - [148] Ok, you can in a sense play EVE for free on TWO accounts. You just need to make about 300 million ISK per month to buy 2 timecodes off the forums. Doing so in 0.0 at say 500,000 per Battleship rat and assuming that rat takes 2.5 minutes to kill if that, that means 1 million per 5 minutes ratting. That's 12 million per hour. If you play eve for say 2 hours per day thats 24 million per day and that's 168 million per week. Easily enough to pay for 2 accounts with a months worth of 0.0 ratting.
Juwi Kotch Gallente VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.12.11 10:03:00 - [149] I rather pay for the fancy ingame stuff with ingame money, but I'm not an ISK collector, so I don't have it in abundance anyways. I need the ISK I have to do things in game I want to do. Timecodes I buy with RL cash. Juwi Kotch JOIN NOW, KLICK SIG!
Estephania	Posted - 2007.12.11 10:40:00 - [150] Ok, ppl are talking here about personal goals, but after a certain period these goals are starting to dry out for single account owners. I can fly HACs, Recons. What else can I set for goals? Quite naturally Command Ships and T2 battleships, probably capitals. But here we see the problem, losing a properly fitted HAC or Recon is a significant blow and throws me back to grinding. Why should I train for Command Ships if I'm barely able to afford to buy and fit them properly, how can I be able to use them in PvP? And T2 battleships are totally out of my league with their price tag around 1 bn ISK. What shall I bring to gang when my corpmates bring 10 or more Command ships without absolutely any problem? When some ppl have several Cap ships at disposal? And how can I be on par with someone who invents small staff in-mass and is now starting to invent T2 battleships and taking shots at jump Freighters? Or another mate that has 10 or more T2 BPO's incl high lvl T2 ship BPOs? Here all potential for single account owner ends, whatever you do, you can't be on par with those ppl. And those ppl are flying around you. You see what a HUGE advantage multi-account owners have. It's not even twice an advantage, it's 100s of times an advantage.
Zaiyo Modi	Posted - 2007.12.11 11:40:00 - [151] Edited by: Zaiyo Modi on 11/12/2007 11:41:33 "What else can I set for goals?" If you are in an organization with bad leadership, shaping things up and lead would be another goal. If you value yourself by the achievements of others no wonder you feel bad about this or that you just typed. Being on par with capital ships pilots? You surely have to train for it at least. It is probably necessary to have some clever isk income beside running missions, if you want to buy a multibillion capital ship to play with. Btw, I am a single account player and have made some nice amount of isk, enough to buy alot of stuff including a dreadnought
Estephania	Posted - 2007.12.11 16:06:00 - [152] Originally by: Zaiyo Modi Edited by: Zaiyo Modi on 11/12/2007 11:41:33 "What else can I set for goals?" If you are in an organization with bad leadership, shaping things up and lead would be another goal. If you value yourself by the achievements of others no wonder you feel bad about this or that you just typed. Being on par with capital ships pilots? You surely have to train for it at least. It is probably necessary to have some clever isk income beside running missions, if you want to buy a multibillion capital ship to play with. Btw, I am a single account player and have made some nice amount of isk, enough to buy alot of stuff including a dreadnought How else is possible to evaluate anything if not comparing it to what's around? And what exactly training capital skills will give me, if I can't possibly afford buying, equipping and (in worst case) losing a capital ship? As to leading. Leaders of most corporations are ppl with several accounts and many many billions on their personal wallets. Who on Erath will make single account guy, who struggles to afford a command ship, a leader of a corp, when there are ppl with capital ships incl. multiple Dreads, Carriers and capital industrials, with a numerous cyno alts, unlimited finances and developed T2 production lines?
Traidor Disloyal Minmatar Racketeers	Posted - 2007.12.11 16:46:00 - [153] Originally by: Jory Stop nerfing solo players you greedy bastar#$ Stop eating all that pizza and or drinking beer and you too can afford a second (or even a third) account.
Sofring Eternus Amarr	Posted - 2007.12.11 16:54:00 - [154] I'm not going to read through 6 pages of comments, and most likely no one will even see this but, if CCP was truly corrupt and money grubbing they would: a) Disable ISK trading, making both the buyer and seller spend money on subscription fee's b) Offer direct ISK sales, let the buyer pay for both their own account as well as extra ISK c) Completely ignore game balance and do everything the whiners say, to increase customer satisfaction and try to get even more subscriptions. --- ΞνΞ ΘΠLІΠΞ Amarr dont need Grr... and RAWR is definately too much, but some Oomph would be nice.
Minmatar Citizen 4521577	Posted - 2007.12.11 16:56:00 - [155] Originally by: Estephania Ok, ppl are talking here about personal goals, but after a certain period these goals are starting to dry out for single account owners. I can fly HACs, Recons. What else can I set for goals? Quite naturally Command Ships and T2 battleships, probably capitals. But here we see the problem, losing a properly fitted HAC or Recon is a significant blow and throws me back to grinding. Why should I train for Command Ships if I'm barely able to afford to buy and fit them properly, how can I be able to use them in PvP? And T2 battleships are totally out of my league with their price tag around 1 bn ISK. What shall I bring to gang when my corpmates bring 10 or more Command ships without absolutely any problem? When some ppl have several Cap ships at disposal? And how can I be on par with someone who invents small staff in-mass and is now starting to invent T2 battleships and taking shots at jump Freighters? Or another mate that has 10 or more T2 BPO's incl high lvl T2 ship BPOs? Here all potential for single account owner ends, whatever you do, you can't be on par with those ppl. And those ppl are flying around you. You see what a HUGE advantage multi-account owners have. It's not even twice an advantage, it's 100s of times an advantage. t2 ships, access to which comes after around six to seven months, and is when most of the people leave. Coincidence?
Gretix	Posted - 2007.12.11 17:00:00 - [156] Originally by: Jory Yea, they do...By stealing yours. Yes god forbid a company wants to make a profit... Seriously do you read what you type?
Estephania	Posted - 2007.12.11 17:01:00 - [157] Yes, probably Minmatar Citizen has a point here. When ppl get to T2 capable skill level and see that uphill battle against the market, casual gamers are being filtered out and only die-hards who won't mind paying for extra account(s) remain to fully reap the fruit of Eve "endgame".

CCP kieron	Posted - 2007.12.11 17:09:00 - [158] Locking the thread. At the end of the day, CCP is a business that needs to make a profit to survive and expand. We do not force anyone into multiple subscriptions, nor is our subscription model out of line with the rest of the gaming industry. We do listen to player feedback, but on the same token, we need to balance what we feel is for the good of the entire game versus the requests of a small segment of the player base. kieron Director of Community Relations, EVE Online EVE Online, CCP Games Email/Netfang Look ma, I'm in a Dev thread! Oh wait...


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