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Sharkk	Posted - 2007.12.09 23:25:00 - [31] Originally by: Thorek Ironbrow I don't know about other people, but I think JoJos threads are starting to **** me off. This Have to admire his persistance tho
The Internets	Posted - 2007.12.10 00:16:00 - [32] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Originally by: Ath Amon probably you miss the point that the dmg from proj is the lowest in game (ok smarties do less dmg :P) also comparing to pulses they have way lower range and consider that pulse fight always in its optimal while proj fight in faloff (so dmg goes down) personally i think that a bit more tracking will be nice for ACs, but thats my taste and generally i don't complain much about AC i wonder what you'll say when you will see dps from missiles that hit harder than proj, have no transv problems, can fully chose dmg and wonder... they don't use cap too, at short distances even the delay penality is not that bad... and about arty... is just crap, that will need a big boost (in range or damage) to be on par with other turrets... Sorry - Minmatar guns do more REAL damage after resists than Cap using guns on a , say, Amarr ship does. Nerf Minmatar Cap or Get their guns to use cap to be balanced as Minmatar are the only race to be able to have no issues firing turrets while neuted or running a tank This may be true at a distance of 1km. However, Minmatar ACs operate far into fall-off range so the damage that is almost on par with lasers is actually only 60-50% of what you see in EFT/Quickfit/etc. Additionally, Minmatar ships have the worst tanks on average and use the cap advantage from capless guns to help out in that area (if they aren't nano/ewar tanking).
Twin blade Minmatar The Triangle Exa Nation	Posted - 2007.12.10 00:41:00 - [33] I hope he never take's a look at our carrier he would go nut's. This guy has to be an alt i am sure not even the most stupid of new player's would belive what he is typing given how every one say's and can prove him worng. Death is great rember where all dying to get there.
Bashiri Point-Zero SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.10 01:02:00 - [34] OP made me laugh so hard
Iria Ahrens Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.12.10 01:14:00 - [35] Edited by: Iria Ahrens on 10/12/2007 01:16:22 Oh please. I'm amarr too and I don't feel any minmatar envy. I did try out their guns on my ship, but I found I prefered my laser bonuses to damage gave me faster encounters. And what the heck is wrong with you, are your skills lacking? In every ship I've flown I can fire all my guns full throttle and my cap goes UP. It's only when I kick in my Armor repairer that it starts going down. So I don't really feel our guns are to blame for a weak build. Try to maximize your armor repairer efficiency with good resiists and maybe some mods to increase your armor repairer amount and cap recharge. Swap crystals during battles. I've found that while radio is great, standard is pretty much king of long encounters. I only switch to multifrequency if necessary. If I have 3 mid slots, I use web, tracking disrupter, and cap recharger. I generally only need to run if I'm suffering multiple waves of baddies when I run missions. For example, I run out of cap once and have to flee when I do Blockade. We are kings of mid-range. That has drawbacks, but minmatar are long range and short range. But we are kings of turret destabilizers. Since we have ships with bonuses, use them. Learn to get good destabilizing minnie turrets. I don't care if they aren't using cap, if they can't hit me but I can hit them, it's all gravy. Work at getting the minnie out of his optimal range and into yours. For mission running, again, work on the skills.
Iria Ahrens Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.12.10 01:18:00 - [36] Edited by: Iria Ahrens on 10/12/2007 01:18:43 somehow I meant to modify my previous post, but I quoted it instead. Delete or ignore this post please.
Bad Dreamer	Posted - 2007.12.10 01:26:00 - [37] Anyone else remember when medium and larger guns cost one cap to fire, pretty much made any autocannon worthless because of the insane amount of cap drain due to our guns having high rate of fire. I'm glad as hell those days are behind us.
Roemy Schneider BINFORD Solidus Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.10 01:44:00 - [38] the thread escaped reality in line 1: "Minmatar ships havving pretyt much the same cap as Amarr ships" plain wrong: amount/recharge isn't everything especially with the new nos mechanics, amount of cap plays quite a role. think cap boosters while you're at it. once you wrapped your head around that, try neutralizers. - putting the gist back into logistics
Wu Jiun	Posted - 2007.12.10 01:49:00 - [39] Oh i hope you get forum banned. Thats really getting annoying.
Victor Ivanov Minmatar The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.10 02:45:00 - [40] Minmatar ships have less cap than any of the other races. -_- Our guns might not use cap, but a gazillion reasons have been listed that balance that. let me make a summary: -Lowest dps -Lowest optimal -Guns are ALMOST always in Falloff, thus reducing damage even further further -Highest dps ammo is -60% with LESS base damage then Antimatter, even thought antimatter is only -50% range. -Ac's have slightly worse tracking than blasters. So Blasters have much higher dps, better tracking, better optimal range. Minmatar don't use capac..oh wait, no. Our ships are already balanced to compensate for that, which leads me to my next point: -Ships have less base capacitor. The difference between other races grows exponentially due to skills and is quite noticeable (I am Angel Cartel specc'ed, fly both Gallente and Minmatar and training up blasters atm. Difference in cap is use. With controlled burst V, I hardly notice when my blasters are on) -Artilleries take almost double the fitting requirements of railguns. What are the cons of projectiles, you ask? -High alpha -Doesn't use capac....No, wait. Didn't we already have that? Compensated by ships. -Can do all damage types, but EMP ammo actually does more Explosive and Kinetic damage than it does EM. Explosive is the main projectile damage type. Other advantage: You get to fly the Angel Cartel ships, which make up for our sub par weaponry by being gorgeous and extremely powerful ships. ----------------------
Scrutt5 Snuff inc	Posted - 2007.12.10 05:17:00 - [41] Hows this a bug ? Your obious attempt at getting page views worked by using such a misleading title to your thread. Please change it so others dont have to put up with your nonsense. Want a glass for all that whine ?
Deviana Sevidon Gallente Cataclysm Enterprises Kraftwerk.	Posted - 2007.12.10 06:01:00 - [42] Quite a while ago, Minmatar Turrets used Capacitor, still a very low amount but they used. The Cap use of Turrets was intentionally reduced to zero by the Devs. So this is definatly not a Bug. Also as others pointed out. There a lot of differences between the the racial weapons and this is a good thing. The last thing I would want to see in EVE is, when all Turrets have the same statistics and only different graphic effects.
Mnengli Noiliffe	Posted - 2007.12.10 09:11:00 - [43] Originally by: Deviana Sevidon Quite a while ago, Minmatar Turrets used Capacitor, still a very low amount but they used. The Cap use of Turrets was intentionally reduced to zero by the Devs. So this is definatly not a Bug. Also as others pointed out. There a lot of differences between the the racial weapons and this is a good thing. The last thing I would want to see in EVE is, when all Turrets have the same statistics and only different graphic effects. that was Tuxford's change, he also loved Gallente and hated caldari btw... now other guys are in charge who love caldari and hate Gallente so they might re-consider that change.
Mr Friendly That it Should Come to This Derek Knows Us	Posted - 2007.12.10 09:23:00 - [44] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Good evening, I'll be your troll for this evening... can I get you some whine to start? much better version, imo Save EveTV, please. Sign to ask CCP to fund EveTV!
Xzar Fyrarr	Posted - 2007.12.10 11:56:00 - [45] No As previously mentioned, if your ocmplaining about MIMMATAR not using any cap to fire there weapons, just look at caldari... And if your looking at MASSIVE ADVANTAGE, I think amarr getting lots of cap bonuses isn't fair either :[ Mimmatar use there cap for something else IE: SPEED, Tank, ect ect. "It appears that despite Minmatar ships havving pretyt much the same cap as Amarr ships, that minmatar ships do not use Cap to fire guns!" Just by looking at your corp your in, Imperial Academy, I would just assume you either A) No nothing about other races ships, yet. Or B) An alt just trying to get forum attention. Mimmatar is in line with other races, you just fail to see that.
Naviset	Posted - 2007.12.10 11:58:00 - [46] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 09/12/2007 08:59:31 It appears that despite Minmatar ships havving pretyt much the same cap as Amarr ships, that minmatar ships do not use Cap to fire guns! This is extreamly overpowered and put this race at a Massive Advantage. I strongly reccomend that this be brought in line with all other turret races by requireing Cap to fire, or that Mimmatar have less cap so as not to imbalace other Races that use cap to fire Guns (such as Amarr, Gallente and Caldari Turret Boats). I serously think this guy just has a whine generator that he selects a race for and it randomly generates him a whine. We know you're amarr. We know you think they're gimp. They're not nearly as gimp as you act like. complain less pretty please?
AntonioBanderas Empirius Enigmus Navy	Posted - 2007.12.10 12:01:00 - [47] no ******* way i'm reading through this. to op: you're either a troll or abysimally stupid. take your pick
Kyle Frost Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.12.10 12:16:00 - [48] Ah... why isn't this guy banned already ?! Stupidity is contageous you know...
Agif Templar Republic R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.10 12:22:00 - [49] omg a nerf happy muppet is trolling the forums again.... Stop asking for nerfs its ppl like you that ruin the mechanics of this game with your constant crying. STFU and lock this damn thread. -------------------
Bishop 5 Gallente The Flying Tigers STELLAR LEGION	Posted - 2007.12.10 12:43:00 - [50] Uncles Ben's Express Chinese Style Rice uses too much cap to microwave. Please nerf it. ------------- meh
Darqion Zenix	Posted - 2007.12.10 13:57:00 - [51] thats.. a ton of cons :P are you guys sure projectile do any dmg ? haha
Jessica Fyers	Posted - 2007.12.10 15:07:00 - [52] Hmm, didnt check all the posts, but i think the OP is quite a new player. A while back (until Cold War/Red Moon Rising iirc) projectile weapons DID use cap to fire. This was deemed broken either because 1) in case of ACs at least, the insane RoF would bleed a ship dry, and 2) its stated that projectiles are self propelled bullets, meaning they wont need any cap to be activated (unlike say, blasters: energy to convert slug into plasma, rails: energy to magneticaly propell the slug, lasers: pure energy shot).
TheEndofTheWorld	Posted - 2007.12.10 15:20:00 - [53] best t1 frig best t1 cruiser best hac best recon best dictor best bc best CS good BSes good capitals Minmatar online
Biced	Posted - 2007.12.10 15:34:00 - [54] Is this a joke? I use ACs on my abaddon to run angel extravaganza (not cross training YET) the only thing i change in my setup from lasers is one cpr to one gyro t2. Do you count in your REAL pvp scenarios the fact that ppl fly t2 ships (in this case em does not suck)? and that med pulses pawn nano ships? and that 90% of the pvp setups are cap boosted?
Victor Ivanov Minmatar The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.10 15:37:00 - [55] best t1 frig - Rifter is good, yes. best t1 cruiser - Thorax? best hac - Deimos (anyone who says vagabond is better than deimos is an idiot) best recon - Was arazu, now falcon. best dictor - Yeah, got me there. Sabre is awesome. best bc - Eh. What? Hurricane is horrid. Myrmidon passive shield tanked and drake would take down a cane in seconds best CS - Eh, difficult one. Love the sleipnir, but Absolution, Astarte and nighthawk are all awesome. good BSes - Megathron? Raven? Both have higher dps than any minmatar bs. good capitals - Admittedly, nidhoggur is good now. \0/ Best t2 frig - Taranis All in all.... Gallente is still the leading race, even with the recent nerfs. Oh and before anyone flames me, I fly gallente as well as minmatar. Dual specc'ed. :) ----------------------
Biced	Posted - 2007.12.10 15:37:00 - [56] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Originally by: Ath Amon probably you miss the point that the dmg from proj is the lowest in game (ok smarties do less dmg :P) also comparing to pulses they have way lower range and consider that pulse fight always in its optimal while proj fight in faloff (so dmg goes down) personally i think that a bit more tracking will be nice for ACs, but thats my taste and generally i don't complain much about AC i wonder what you'll say when you will see dps from missiles that hit harder than proj, have no transv problems, can fully chose dmg and wonder... they don't use cap too, at short distances even the delay penality is not that bad... and about arty... is just crap, that will need a big boost (in range or damage) to be on par with other turrets... Sorry - Minmatar guns do more REAL damage after resists than Cap using guns on a , say, Amarr ship does. Nerf Minmatar Cap or Get their guns to use cap to be balanced as Minmatar are the only race to be able to have no issues firing turrets while neuted or running a tank Forgot to quote.. btw love your sigs other than that weak op sorry.
Dianeces Minmatar Repo Industries	Posted - 2007.12.10 16:09:00 - [57] Blatant troll. 1/10 for effort, would've been better if you hadn't let the world know what you were up to here. Quote: Cristobalus DeMora > so what do the forums say? Jaleean Atheria > smack smack smack flame smack flame smack smack flame alt post flame flame flame smack flame click
Pure Murder	Posted - 2007.12.10 16:55:00 - [58] nnnnnggyyyrrr***k arrrrrgggggghhhhhhhhhhhh I'm sorry, I'm short on words to answer such stupidity.
Revan Crow Minmatar Freeworlds United Inc The Last Stand	Posted - 2007.12.10 18:18:00 - [59] Edited by: Revan Crow on 10/12/2007 18:18:56 Originally by: Jonny JoJo Sorry - Minmatar need to be balanced to be competitive with other gun races. Either Reduce minmatar CAP Or Make their guns use Cap. Anything else is overpowered. have you tried to hit with artillery outside optimal? have you looked at the tracking ? have you looked at matar rof ? and yes i have looked at all of these factors and flown all other races gunships EDIT: and while youre at it...check those missile boats too ^^
TheEndofTheWorld	Posted - 2007.12.11 17:59:00 - [60] Edited by: TheEndofTheWorld on 11/12/2007 18:00:38 Originally by: Victor Ivanov best t1 frig - Rifter is good, yes. best t1 cruiser - Thorax? best hac - Deimos (anyone who says vagabond is better than deimos is an idiot) best recon - Was arazu, now falcon. best dictor - Yeah, got me there. Sabre is awesome. best bc - Eh. What? Hurricane is horrid. Myrmidon passive shield tanked and drake would take down a cane in seconds best CS - Eh, difficult one. Love the sleipnir, but Absolution, Astarte and nighthawk are all awesome. good BSes - Megathron? Raven? Both have higher dps than any minmatar bs. good capitals - Admittedly, nidhoggur is good now. \0/ Best t2 frig - Taranis All in all.... Gallente is still the leading race, even with the recent nerfs. Oh and before anyone flames me, I fly gallente as well as minmatar. Dual specc'ed. :) Cruisers are quite well balanced imo, so I really can't argue here. Deimos is better than Vagabond? Please, explain your point of view. Vagabond can actually shoot at 20km, does not need to go into webrange, but if it does it has good dps. Vaga is also 3-4 times faster, guns do not use cap... 1v1 is a very one-sided win for vagabond. Vaga has faar more practical pvp applications than deimos, sure in some situations, the deimos is better, but overrall vaga is better. Huginn = solopwnmobile, absolutely needed for small gangs, the best anti-support ship... Falcon is awesome too in gangs, so I guess you have a point... I guess you can argue about drake being very good, but Hurricane is definately better than Harbringer&Myrmidon. Sleipnir is the only Field CS that can do something, that the BSes cannot do. Mega-Astaer, arma/aba-abso and raven-nighthawk <- BSes are 3 times cheaper, tank better, do more dps... Sleipnir can be setup as nanoship, maelstorm/tempest can't. Good BSes.... well good... Maelstorm is nice... Stiletto has 4 mids.

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