We condemn and deny any claim of the Amarrian Empire. We stand with the Matari people. We support the military endeavours of the Tribal Liberation Front. We have many blue allies in its number and we count UshraGÇÖkhan amongst our good friends.

The tribe and other Minmatar militia corps have OF set red for acts of piracy against civilians and militia members.

So we have been assisting EM with dealing with known pirates.

During the defence of a EM POCO in Auner a fleet of 53 which included OF, Eve-union and Cloud 7 Nebulosa attacked the EM and allies defence fleet, So these alliances are now marked as helping known pirates.

All this talk is just talk and as Christine Peeveepeeski said the actions of OF must be the proof that they have changed their ways and now fight for the Republic and its citizens and not agaisnt it.

The tribe and other Minmatar militia corps have OF set red for acts of piracy against civilians and militia members. So we have been assisting EM with dealing with known pirates. During the defence of a EM POCO in Auner a fleet of 53 which included OF, Eve-union and Cloud 7 Nebulosa attacked the EM and allies defence fleet, So these alliances are now marked as helping known pirates.

I do not see any difference with your example of "cargo raider" and our experience of OF.

If they have changed then it is welcomed, But i think we need more than just a IGS statement to believe them.

I think this whole mess needs a cooling off period of agreed none aggression for a set amount of time.

Then new standings need to be set as the waters have become muddied.

I suggest a resetting to neutral all round so if we are all NRDS no one is getting shot anymore.

But I can only speak for the tribe.

Far more likely in my eyes that the mercs (yourself included) are working for other NBSI enclosurist elements in the general area. In particular the Rancer pirates (United/neg ten) were boasting about bringing in "friends" to do their work for them so maybe there is meaning there? Who knows really.

A COA fleet engaged and destroyed seven Negative Ten BS and a Loki in Mirotem yesterday, we also forced them to self destruct a triaged Archon.

Fearless came to the field late, but they also dropped their own capitals on the Negative 10 Archon, there was some dialogue in local from Negative Ten to Fearless which was neither friendly or respectful, this would seem to put pay to your theory that they are working together, or employer and employee.

I greet Ynot's announcement with cautious optimism, I would rather not spend my time or my security status shooting The Obsidian Front's ships and structures, there are corporations and alliances who I would much rather be shooting at instead.

Pilot Constantine I must ask why you're sullying yourself with such a vigorous defense of a bunch of common lying pirates?

To me this all sounds oddly like some kind of deathbed conversion. The Front is about to be ground into dust and they know it. This seems like a desperate, last-ditch effort to save themselves from the retribution they've so richly earned after months of criminal activity within the Republic.

I doubt that many here are fooled by this "new" Obsidian Front charade. It's all a bunch of flowery words. It's smoke and mirrors, a poorly written play full of sound and fury ultimately signifying nothing. No one will cry when this piratical group is sent to hell where they belong.

The Obsidian Front fell into that latter catagory. Pirates that don't like to think of themselves as pirates but just randomly waylay passers by for fun. I guess you could claim that they weren't pirates and were just muggers? We still set them red for that in any case.

Is anyone actually criticising your decision to set people red for shooting your ships? I don't think so. And I don't think that is what this thread is about. The question is are you prepared to respond to a progressive change of ROE in an encouraging manner now it has been made public?

Oh that. Well I have to say I don't buy it. More of their usual attempts to sleaze their way off our red list.

It is understandable given the history of hostilities between EM, COA and FRONT there will be some people with strong views held about the respective personalities, corporations or alliances on all sides, you can't fight each other as often as we have without at least a few people developing hostile or sceptical opinions.

As Amun mentioned earlier this matter is probably best left to private discussions between the respective diplomats. I'm sure all parties will have the opportunity to put forward their views during their internal discussions of this announcement, in the mean time I would suggest that everyone avoids comments which could prejudice the diplomatic process.

It is understandable given the history of hostilities between EM, COA and FRONT there will be some people with strong views held about the respective personalities, corporations or alliances on all sides, you can't fight each other as often as we have without at least a few people developing hostile or sceptical opinions.

As Amun mentioned earlier this matter is probably best left to private discussions between the respective diplomats. I'm sure all parties will have the opportunity to put forward their views during their internal discussions of this announcement, in the mean time I would suggest that everyone avoids comments which could prejudice the diplomatic process.

But in closing I'd suggest you avoid "sleazy" as a descriptor in diplomatic negotiations in the future. Its not really very ... well ... diplomatic.

SF, I appreciate what you guys are trying to do ( encourage NBSI corps to turn NRDS, and make sure all old enemies make a good effort to change their standing orders ). It's one of the noblest causes in New Eden.

But this one I wouldn't poke with a 100 meters breacher antenna. The real problem here lies in that Ynot has used the diplomatic card so many times in the past I can only imagine the face of EM diplomats when they read this (11th ? 12th ?) try at making it look like they are turning around.

What the obsidian front needs is a drastic change in leadership, not an announcement from its current ( yes, sleazy is exactly the right word ) leader on IGS.

I've seen EM heartily change its standings so many times on NBSI->NRDS promises, and they still do it with optimism for most groups that contact them. It's just... this one is special.

Hey but who knows, I wouldn't be surprised if EM tries yet another time if Ynob actually contacts their diplomats in a private setting. They and the COA are doing pretty good right now in MH, Heim and Metro, so they have some breathing room for predictable failures.

It has come to my attention something is deeply concerning. EM, who I congatulate in joining up with Faction warfar, has also made Fearless, a known criminal and mercenary alliance blue.


http://www.electusmatari.com/standings/rc/

Fearless (who we are at war with in full discosure), are known for ganking neutral industrials in low sec who are simply attempting to use custom offices.

Consider this Killmail this week as proof.


I do know who BoB is and even though he has a positive sec status and is in the Federal Navy Accadamy and only started playing this game 2 weeks ago, was flying and industrail without any guns, apparently, there was some justification.

I say this cause, because of EM's definition of crimes, this would be considered piracy. As EM set fearless to blue, it must have a good explaination.

This is just one murder of many of by Fearless in the last few weeks of industrials and neutrals.

If Obsidian Front is being held to the standard that we can't reform and can't be trusted, how can a alliance, who has in the description that they are mercenaries be blue. Another crime per EM is unprovoked wars. Mercenaries, by definition make war for profit, not provokation. As they are currently criminals in the regard that they murder new pilots in industrails and make war per profit, I am VERY confused on their recent blue status?

Anyone care to explain?

The bigger issue here for me though is that FEARLESS as an organization is attacking low-tax Customs Offices in Matari lowsec and replacing them with 100% tax offices.

Just checked the ones in Miroitem. They say 5%. Maybe they have set a 100% tax for their reds.

Let's take a look at what you've said.Planetary customs offices with 100% tax.
They've been mentioned, but aren't actually in existence. I honestly don't know whether they will come into effect, but we're dealing with facts, not what might come to pass.

FEARLESS are a self declared NBSI entity who will shoot whoever they please.
Probably. Then again, morals sometimes have to bend when it comes to getting a job done. Associating with people with a lack of said morals doesn't really detract from the sincerity of anyone's cause; it just means they acknowledge that there may be another way.

As an aside, I resent you calling me a pirate, and think you should apologize.