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Zemeckis R	Posted - 2007.12.10 09:23:00 - [1] Given that no ship should be better than others in its class, and the vagabond is clearly not inline, 'balance' it :)
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2007.12.10 09:24:00 - [2] Nice argument. Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2007.12.10 09:25:00 - [3] here have some vitoc ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
SnakeByte86	Posted - 2007.12.10 09:25:00 - [4] They've nerfed everything but the vagabond, It must be ovuers favorite ship. Though, i havnt had a battle with a vaga recently the more they nerf everything, the more likely they will nerf the vaga soon, which is a shame. Rock paper scissors is so much better then Rock rock rock rock rock rock rock rock rock rock rock
Jarrab Klein	Posted - 2007.12.10 09:37:00 - [5] Originally by: Zemeckis R Given that no ship should be better than others in its class, and the vagabond is clearly not inline, 'balance' it :) Either that, or boost the other Hacs, vaga has nano-alternative sexual preference-y going for it, the others cannot compete, they should be able to.
Mecinia Lua Galactic Express Frontier Trade League	Posted - 2007.12.10 09:41:00 - [6] I think they should reactivate the mines. Allow the 0.0 sovereigns to place minefields where they want to. They could have FOF identification and attack those that don't have sufficient standing. But the amount of vagas I see compared to the other ships of that class probably does indicate an imbalance... Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts.
Liam Liam	Posted - 2007.12.10 09:46:00 - [7] wow nerf city no one will be happy till all the ships are identical nope I've never flown a vaga
T3h Pr4wNz0r3r Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.12.10 09:55:00 - [8] This looks like a troll thread, I can tell from some of the words and from seeing quite a few troll threads in my time. (either that or the OP just forgot his brain this morning)
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.12.10 09:59:00 - [9] Originally by: Jarrab Klein Originally by: Zemeckis R Given that no ship should be better than others in its class, and the vagabond is clearly not inline, 'balance' it :) Either that, or boost the other Hacs, vaga has nano-alternative sexual preference-y going for it, the others cannot compete, they should be able to. Quoting the clueless. The Isthar does everything a vaga can except better. The Zealot with snakes can get to 10km/s. So the pathetic damage from a vaga combined with its tiny drone bay, flimsy construction and inflated price makes it overpowered....hmmm
Zemeckis R	Posted - 2007.12.10 10:02:00 - [10] Originally by: T3h Pr4wNz0r3r (either that or the OP just forgot his brain this morning) why?
Jarrab Klein	Posted - 2007.12.10 10:02:00 - [11] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Jarrab Klein Originally by: Zemeckis R Given that no ship should be better than others in its class, and the vagabond is clearly not inline, 'balance' it :) Either that, or boost the other Hacs, vaga has nano-alternative sexual preference-y going for it, the others cannot compete, they should be able to. Quoting the clueless. The Isthar does everything a vaga can except better. The Zealot with snakes can get to 10km/s. So the pathetic damage from a vaga combined with its tiny drone bay, flimsy construction and inflated price makes it overpowered....hmmm Let me put it this way, the HACs need to be balanced so that they are equally usefull, if what you say is correct, the only one left out is the Cerb, so either boost that, or nerf the rest. Speed tanking ftl.
Piwat King	Posted - 2007.12.10 10:03:00 - [12] given the nature of your post I can smell your noobness. the vaga WAS nerfed. it's now on par to where it should be. Fast as hell with all the special add-ons, without the snakes, or the rigs the vaga is a terrible ship, It can't do much of anything for DPS. put a vaga against any other HAC one on one, and you will see a stalemate as the vaga can't kill it and the other can't catch it. also... even a WEAK rapier/huginn pilot can snare and kill a vaga. I've flown a vaga for a long time, you gotta fast and you can't get too close to be snared. it's not as easy as you think. Vaga's role is best to intercept and kill the opposing forces tacklers, and to do quick strikes. sure it can be great against alot of people unprepared. but so can most ships. put it against a person who is prepared and you'd see a different story.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.12.10 10:07:00 - [13] Originally by: Jarrab Klein Let me put it this way, the HACs need to be balanced so that they are equally usefull, if what you say is correct, the only one left out is the Cerb, so either boost that, or nerf the rest. Speed tanking ftl. The Cerb can hit its target from 110km. Give me that range on my vaga, and you can have its speed And btw speedtanking is ftw It requires a lot more pilot input and concentration that pressing F1-f8 activate tank. You actually have to fly your ship around and keep an eye on webbers and stuff. It's great fun
Illyrinia Caldari Epiphyte Mining and Exploration Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2007.12.10 10:08:00 - [14] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Jarrab Klein Originally by: Zemeckis R Given that no ship should be better than others in its class, and the vagabond is clearly not inline, 'balance' it :) Either that, or boost the other Hacs, vaga has nano-alternative sexual preference-y going for it, the others cannot compete, they should be able to. Quoting the clueless. The Isthar does everything a vaga can except better. The Zealot with snakes can get to 10km/s. So the pathetic damage from a vaga combined with its tiny drone bay, flimsy construction and inflated price makes it overpowered....hmmm zealot is not a nano ship LMAO, it has 2 mids TWO, if YOU flew one you would see, zealot is a sniper ship if anything, and YES i fly zealots and sacralige. Vaga has 2 things Speed AND dps, it should be ONE or the other not both, and if you seen vagas at work you would agree. ive fought my fair share, and there is no way to combat them other than sbs and cruise ravens (poorly at that). you get one webbed they just mwd while your drones (domi) hammer at it untill its out of web range and it mwds around you at scram range while it peppers you with missiles and auto cannons (which have INSANE tracking) proof i know WTF im talking about- 2 vagas top dps is a vaga (top ship) 3 vagas, and once again top dps (OVER A DEIMOS) is vaga both times i had one of the SOB's webbed with duel webs, and both times (one i had him but the damn falcon GRRRR caldari recons the new big thing) they managed to escape my webs. if you look at the number of vaga pilots in 0.0 compaired to other ships you would agree that there is something wrong with it. NANO ships in general need looked at... http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=643000
ry ry StateCorp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.12.10 10:10:00 - [15] Originally by: SnakeByte86 They've nerfed everything but the vagabond, It must be ovuers favorite ship. Though, i havnt had a battle with a vaga recently the more they nerf everything, the more likely they will nerf the vaga soon, which is a shame. Rock paper scissors is so much better then Rock rock rock rock rock rock rock rock rock rock rock why are you still playing. you claimed to have quit in disgust, remember? *again.
Xtreem Gallente Knockaround Guys Inc. Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.10 10:11:00 - [16] IMO when i see a vaga i expect it to be fast, yes it can be annoying and run away when needed, but he cant break the tank on many ships.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.12.10 10:11:00 - [17] Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 10/12/2007 10:13:25 Originally by: Illyrinia zealot is not a nano ship LMAO, it has 2 mids TWO, if YOU flew one you would see, zealot is a sniper ship if anything, and YES i fly zealots and sacralige. pure lulz Sniper zealot for comedy use...and btw your killmails prove nothing. I can show you a killmail where I outdamage a carrier in a Tempest. But you know what...thats because I was shooting the target for longer
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.12.10 10:13:00 - [18] Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 10/12/2007 10:13:15 I have just the thing! Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton thats a boot.ini a file used by windows
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.12.10 10:21:00 - [19] And while we at it, let's nerf gallente more! they got damage AND tank... they should only have one or the other Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton thats a boot.ini a file used by windows
Neal Cassady Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.12.10 10:21:00 - [20] Edited by: Neal Cassady on 10/12/2007 10:23:06 Originally by: Illyrinia zealot is not a nano ship LMAO, it has 2 mids TWO, if YOU flew one you would see, zealot is a sniper ship if anything, and YES i fly zealots and sacralige. Vaga has 2 things Speed AND dps, it should be ONE or the other not both, and if you seen vagas at work you would agree. ive fought my fair share, and there is no way to combat them other than sbs and cruise ravens (poorly at that). you get one webbed they just mwd while your drones (domi) hammer at it untill its out of web range and it mwds around you at scram range while it peppers you with missiles and auto cannons (which have INSANE tracking) proof i know WTF im talking about- 2 vagas top dps is a vaga (top ship) 3 vagas, and once again top dps (OVER A DEIMOS) is vaga both times i had one of the SOB's webbed with duel webs, and both times (one i had him but the damn falcon GRRRR caldari recons the new big thing) they managed to escape my webs. if you look at the number of vaga pilots in 0.0 compaired to other ships you would agree that there is something wrong with it. NANO ships in general need looked at... you're telling me that 300 dps is good? two killmails mean absolutely nothing. the vaga getting top damage probably tackled and orbited a while before the dps showed up. the ishtar has slightly poorer speed, about equivalent tank, and much better dps. get a frickin huginn or rapier ffs and stop whining. nano ships have been hit hard enough. EDIT: it appears both of those km's were at bubble camps, and how a brutix and deimos got outdamaged by a vaga is incredible. all you have to do is run all three ships in eft to show this is a fluke.
Illyrinia Caldari Epiphyte Mining and Exploration Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2007.12.10 10:21:00 - [21] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 10/12/2007 10:13:25 Originally by: Illyrinia zealot is not a nano ship LMAO, it has 2 mids TWO, if YOU flew one you would see, zealot is a sniper ship if anything, and YES i fly zealots and sacralige. pure lulz Sniper zealot for comedy use...and btw your killmails prove nothing. I can show you a killmail where I outdamage a carrier in a Tempest. But you know what...thats because I was shooting the target for longer t2 beams, zealot can snipe well, ive seen it used with great success in the north. shame we didnt get to kill them, i dont know who the pilots were. but sustain cap, tackle, shoot lasers (THAT TAKE CAP EH), with a 10mn mwd2, zealot wasnt built to be a nano ship, and no mids to put shield extenders on, so you have your base hp, vagas have mids for extenders, lasers have crap tracking, sacralige is a better nano ship than the zealot thanks... http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=643000
Illyrinia Caldari Epiphyte Mining and Exploration Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2007.12.10 10:23:00 - [22] Originally by: Neal Cassady Originally by: Illyrinia zealot is not a nano ship LMAO, it has 2 mids TWO, if YOU flew one you would see, zealot is a sniper ship if anything, and YES i fly zealots and sacralige. Vaga has 2 things Speed AND dps, it should be ONE or the other not both, and if you seen vagas at work you would agree. ive fought my fair share, and there is no way to combat them other than sbs and cruise ravens (poorly at that). you get one webbed they just mwd while your drones (domi) hammer at it untill its out of web range and it mwds around you at scram range while it peppers you with missiles and auto cannons (which have INSANE tracking) proof i know WTF im talking about- 2 vagas top dps is a vaga (top ship) 3 vagas, and once again top dps (OVER A DEIMOS) is vaga both times i had one of the SOB's webbed with duel webs, and both times (one i had him but the damn falcon GRRRR caldari recons the new big thing) they managed to escape my webs. if you look at the number of vaga pilots in 0.0 compaired to other ships you would agree that there is something wrong with it. NANO ships in general need looked at... you're telling me that 300 dps is good? two killmails mean absolutely nothing. the vaga getting top damage probably tackled and orbited a while before the dps showed up. the ishtar has slightly poorer speed, about equivalent tank, and much better dps. get a frickin huginn or rapier ffs and stop whining. nano ships have been hit hard enough. check eft they have higher dps than 300, dork... and all ships started firing at the same time, it was on a station camp, they bump targets out of docking range, and hammer away, trust me vaga has dps http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=643000
Ridickulo Minmatar Tiger-Shrimp	Posted - 2007.12.10 10:24:00 - [23] Originally by: Zemeckis R Given that no ship should be better than others in its class, and the vagabond is clearly not inline, 'balance' it :) SILENCE...I'll kill you! :D
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.12.10 10:28:00 - [24] Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 10/12/2007 10:29:44 Originally by: Illyrinia zealot wasnt built to be a nano ship, and no mids to put shield extenders on, so you have your base hp, vagas have mids for extenders, lasers have crap tracking, sacralige is a better nano ship than the zealot thanks... OK..you obviously not up on how to fit a nano zealot You don't put shield extenders on them.. http://www.cruelintentions.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=2312 Nano zealots out damaging Vagas. Its a very good setup, trust me CI were well known for our speed gangs. Top speed ship is Isthar by miles. Huge dps and great range, second is vaga for versatility. Then you have the evil em dmg from zealot (note vaga struggles at em)..and the deimos..well we call that the Diemost Originally by: Illyrinia check eft they have higher dps than 300, dork... and all ships started firing at the same time, it was on a station camp, they bump targets out of docking range, and hammer away, trust me vaga has dps Wrong again...eft and EVE don't always match up. You cannot fly VAga at its optimal range. You always have to fight deep in falloff to avoid being webbed...hence its terrible dps in practice.
Amberly Coteaz Amarr Blood Corsair's	Posted - 2007.12.10 10:31:00 - [25] Originally by: Illyrinia Originally by: Neal Cassady Originally by: Illyrinia ... ... check eft they have higher dps than 300, dork... and all ships started firing at the same time, it was on a station camp, they bump targets out of docking range, and hammer away, trust me vaga has dps Vagabonds with AC: Optimal Falloff [--------][++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++] EFT dps range-----------------------------------Actual range If you find yourself in a fair fight, something has gone wrong
Neal Cassady Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.12.10 10:32:00 - [26] Originally by: Illyrinia Originally by: Neal Cassady Originally by: Illyrinia zealot is not a nano ship LMAO, it has 2 mids TWO, if YOU flew one you would see, zealot is a sniper ship if anything, and YES i fly zealots and sacralige. Vaga has 2 things Speed AND dps, it should be ONE or the other not both, and if you seen vagas at work you would agree. ive fought my fair share, and there is no way to combat them other than sbs and cruise ravens (poorly at that). you get one webbed they just mwd while your drones (domi) hammer at it untill its out of web range and it mwds around you at scram range while it peppers you with missiles and auto cannons (which have INSANE tracking) proof i know WTF im talking about- 2 vagas top dps is a vaga (top ship) 3 vagas, and once again top dps (OVER A DEIMOS) is vaga both times i had one of the SOB's webbed with duel webs, and both times (one i had him but the damn falcon GRRRR caldari recons the new big thing) they managed to escape my webs. if you look at the number of vaga pilots in 0.0 compaired to other ships you would agree that there is something wrong with it. NANO ships in general need looked at... you're telling me that 300 dps is good? two killmails mean absolutely nothing. the vaga getting top damage probably tackled and orbited a while before the dps showed up. the ishtar has slightly poorer speed, about equivalent tank, and much better dps. get a frickin huginn or rapier ffs and stop whining. nano ships have been hit hard enough. check eft they have higher dps than 300, dork... and all ships started firing at the same time, it was on a station camp, they bump targets out of docking range, and hammer away, trust me vaga has dps namecalling is a great way to strengthen your argument. with a skills at level 5 the vaga does 360 dps with no gyrostabs (barrage), 418 with one, 475 with 2, at which point you are starting to really gimp your speed. this is ideal dps, which never occurs in a vagabond because you're orbiting at speed in falloff. repeat, this is all skills at level five. your average skilled vaga will probably do about 350 idealized, perhaps 290 when taking missed shots into account.
Illyrinia Caldari Epiphyte Mining and Exploration Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2007.12.10 10:35:00 - [27] did you forget the 2 t2 heavy launchers (all the ones ive fought used these) http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=643000
Jarrab Klein	Posted - 2007.12.10 10:36:00 - [28] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Jarrab Klein Let me put it this way, the HACs need to be balanced so that they are equally usefull, if what you say is correct, the only one left out is the Cerb, so either boost that, or nerf the rest. Speed tanking ftl. The Cerb can hit its target from 110km. Give me that range on my vaga, and you can have its speed Big **ing deal, range doesnt do you any good if the most popular type of ship takes less than 5% of full damage. Quote: And btw speedtanking is ftw It requires a lot more pilot input and concentration that pressing F1-f8 activate tank. You actually have to fly your ship around and keep an eye on webbers and stuff. It's great fun I really don't care how much fun it is, speed tanking and ludricous speeds in general suck all the fun out of being a regular pilot. I don't mind diversity, but it has been poorly implimented in eve online. Apart from offering a kind of "resistance" to damage that no actual shield/armor tank can hope for, it allows the pilot to choose and pick his fights, and has no obligation to stick it out once he has. It's the old warpcore stab ****try all over again, in another form. I have no "fix" in mind for speed ships, all i will say is that considering their popularity there is a balance issue that should be adressed in due time.
Neal Cassady Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.12.10 10:42:00 - [29] Edited by: Neal Cassady on 10/12/2007 10:44:04 Originally by: Illyrinia did you forget the 2 t2 heavy launchers (all the ones ive fought used these) no i didn't and the vaga only (EDIT: commonly) fits one launcher. i have over 250 kills with this ship so id like to think i am fairly well versed in its capabilities. it seems you only know them from a few experiences. i would like to point out this killmail from your board where a vaga was outdamaged by a raptor. see? you can find killmails that show anything.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.12.10 10:44:00 - [30] Originally by: Illyrinia did you forget the 2 t2 heavy launchers (all the ones ive fought used these) Why would you ever put 2 launchers on a vaga...or maybe you mean the 7 high slot Vaga that doesn't exist ...you seem to be coming across a little less informed every time you post. Btw I looked up your combat record on battleclinic...and am no longer going to take any thing you say seriously now

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