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Lucy Light	Posted - 2007.12.10 14:02:00 - [61] vaga is nice as it is :) I like to eat one nutella sandwich for breakfast
Triksterism Gallente Image Not Found	Posted - 2007.12.10 15:07:00 - [62] Originally by: Illyrinia Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Jarrab Klein Originally by: Zemeckis R Given that no ship should be better than others in its class, and the vagabond is clearly not inline, 'balance' it :) Either that, or boost the other Hacs, vaga has nano-alternative sexual preference-y going for it, the others cannot compete, they should be able to. Quoting the clueless. The Isthar does everything a vaga can except better. The Zealot with snakes can get to 10km/s. So the pathetic damage from a vaga combined with its tiny drone bay, flimsy construction and inflated price makes it overpowered....hmmm zealot is not a nano ship LMAO, it has 2 mids TWO, if YOU flew one you would see, zealot is a sniper ship if anything, and YES i fly zealots and sacralige. Vaga has 2 things Speed AND dps, it should be ONE or the other not both, and if you seen vagas at work you would agree. ive fought my fair share, and there is no way to combat them other than sbs and cruise ravens (poorly at that). you get one webbed they just mwd while your drones (domi) hammer at it untill its out of web range and it mwds around you at scram range while it peppers you with missiles and auto cannons (which have INSANE tracking) proof i know WTF im talking about- 2 vagas top dps is a vaga (top ship) 3 vagas, and once again top dps (OVER A DEIMOS) is vaga both times i had one of the SOB's webbed with duel webs, and both times (one i had him but the damn falcon GRRRR caldari recons the new big thing) they managed to escape my webs. if you look at the number of vaga pilots in 0.0 compaired to other ships you would agree that there is something wrong with it. NANO ships in general need looked at... The Deimos came in at the end of the fight did it? ----------------------------------- *CCP Please update my portrait on the website/forums :D*
Celeste Coeval The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2007.12.10 15:18:00 - [63] no. Originally by: Death Kill Go travel or live in the rainforest if neccesary, just dont turn to religion as its a cul de sac.
Sky Grunthor Minmatar Core Element	Posted - 2007.12.10 15:26:00 - [64] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Yorlock At one point in time the vagabond was balanced and countered well by the CURSE. NOW post NOS and Tracking disruptor nerfs is has nothing out there that can suck its little cap dry and avoid its weapon fire anymore. The counter was always the huggin and Rapier. I fly them both and can inform you that they are very effective against vagas still Hey Pluton o/ It's all good here, am doing a bit of merc work atm with the Omnor guys. Makes a nice change from roaming into 0.0 and ganking people with speed hacs. See what I did there to keep it on topic I think you can safely add the hyena to that list. its funny that its the minmatar ships that counter the vaga :D. So we can only lose to ourselves. how poetic. Search: Sky Grunthor
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.12.10 16:01:00 - [65] Originally by: Illyrinia proof i know WTF im talking about- 2 vagas top dps is a vaga (top ship) 3 vagas, and once again top dps (OVER A DEIMOS) is vaga Killboards prove nothing. What if the vagabond was closer to the ship in question? or had much better skills? Or the other ships were lagging, or didn't have enough turret tracking, or weren't able to lock in time? There are a million factors at play that aren't factored into a killmail. -- Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes
Dr Paithos Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute	Posted - 2007.12.10 16:05:00 - [66] Originally by: Illyrinia zealot is not a nano ship LMAO, it has 2 mids TWO, if YOU flew one you would see The Zealot has three mids. Maybe if you put a mod in that empty mid you'd have more success in the ship? Quote: Thank you for kittens, glitter, for warm nights in fuzzy blankets... Thank you for dolphins, whales... Thank you for cartoons, for birthdays, for candy and cookies. Thank you CCP!
Nexus Kinnon Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2007.12.10 16:14:00 - [67] here's some attention, now off you go back to your tree like the good little uninformed EFT monkey you are.
Triksterism Gallente Image Not Found	Posted - 2007.12.10 16:24:00 - [68] DUD VAGA GOES SO FAST N IT CAN SHOOT GUNS CANT STAND IT PLZ CCP NERF IT I HAET VAGA MINTARI SCUM! U LOSE CUSTOMERS ALL THE TIME I HATE U AND I WOULD QUIT BUT I LOVE THIS GAME EVEN THO I AM COMPLAINING ABOUT IT DAILY AND BITING THE HAND THAT FEEDS WAWAWAWAWAWAWAWA ----------------------------------- *CCP Please update my portrait on the website/forums :D*
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.12.10 16:36:00 - [69] Originally by: Gneeznow nerf da augorer, vagabond cant squirt cap on ppl and the augorer can wtf, either give the vaga a remote cap squirty thing or nerf the augorer tbfh I lol'd. -- Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2007.12.10 16:37:00 - [70] It needs to be brought in line with the Eagle. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Kharadran Sullath Caldari Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.12.10 16:45:00 - [71] "Nerf the Vagabond!" Said the Minmatar pilot. ------ Originally by: Graveyard Tan I call bull** and troll. If you are deaf**, how are you even able to read this or type replies?
Estephania	Posted - 2007.12.10 16:52:00 - [72] Edited by: Estephania on 10/12/2007 16:53:48 It's funny to see how all the Vaga pilots are here at arms when someone threatens to touch their I WIN buttons If Vaga and nanoable ships are in line with other ships, then plz explain, why non-nanoable ships are so much less popular.
Topaz Skydiver Minmatar Narrative Freshfood	Posted - 2007.12.10 16:53:00 - [73] Edited by: Topaz Skydiver on 10/12/2007 16:54:38 Originally by: Danton Marcellus It needs to be brought in line with the Eagle. Eagle ? Ok, guess it's irony, because they are completely different ships. I'd rather compare rail eagle with artillery muninn, and blaster eagle with deimos. But like I said, guess you were ironic. --------------------------------------------- snip
Cordial Ripper Minmatar g guild	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:09:00 - [74] Edited by: Cordial Ripper on 10/12/2007 17:10:44 omg i have never seen so many ppl whining. most of u dudes are cluless morons who are to busy training for the "Uber" caldari and don't know how is to be a hac pilot vaga has been already "balanced" a few times and so does the other hacs. now realy take a close look every hac is specialized in something. every hac has his strong points and weak points u guys are not even looking from a objective point of view. and don't try to smack me i am a specialized HAC Pilot. Yes that means i Fly all Hac's For the ones with no clue that keep whining. Go Back to WoW U idiots -------------------------------------------- Vaga super speed will never die, If vaga Dies, Eve Dies
Estephania	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:11:00 - [75] Originally by: Cordial Ripper Edited by: Cordial Ripper on 10/12/2007 17:09:52 omg i have never seen so many ppl wining. most of u dudes are cluless morons who are to busy training for the "Uber" caldari and don't know how is to be a hac pilot vaga has been already "balanced" a few times and so does the other hacs. now realy take a close look every hac is specialized in something. every hac has his strong points and weak points u guys are not even looking from a objective point of view. and don't try to smack me i am a specialized HAC Pilot. Yes that means i Fly all Hac's For the ones with no clue that keep wining. Go Back to WoW U idiots -------------------------------------------- Vaga super speed will never die, If vaga Dies, Eve Dies Question stays. If all HACs are balanced, then why nano-able HACs are used so much compared to nonnano-able HACs?
Shar'Tuk TheHated	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:12:00 - [76] Nerf you. How about people stop calling for nerfs.. try a huggin for a change and stop whining thanks. DRINK RUM It fights scurvy & boosts morale! THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES!
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:18:00 - [77] Originally by: Illyrinia Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 10/12/2007 10:13:25 Originally by: Illyrinia zealot is not a nano ship LMAO, it has 2 mids TWO, if YOU flew one you would see, zealot is a sniper ship if anything, and YES i fly zealots and sacralige. pure lulz Sniper zealot for comedy use...and btw your killmails prove nothing. I can show you a killmail where I outdamage a carrier in a Tempest. But you know what...thats because I was shooting the target for longer t2 beams, zealot can snipe well, ive seen it used with great success in the north. shame we didnt get to kill them, i dont know who the pilots were. but sustain cap, tackle, shoot lasers (THAT TAKE CAP EH), with a 10mn mwd2, zealot wasnt built to be a nano ship, and no mids to put shield extenders on, so you have your base hp, vagas have mids for extenders, lasers have crap tracking, sacralige is a better nano ship than the zealot thanks... Lasers have good tracking actually (well the ranged ones do have not looked up the short range guns). --------------------------------- Oh noes!
Estephania	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:23:00 - [78] Originally by: Shar'Tuk TheHated Nerf you. How about people stop calling for nerfs.. try a huggin for a change and stop whining thanks. And what super-special ship is needed to counter other HACs? See, your point is void.
lorddlo25 Caldari g guild	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:33:00 - [79] hmmm why is it ppl want everything nerf'ed minmatar are serpose to be kinda the fast race and also the alfa strike race you want to nerf the hole minmatar way of life ? ppl want thing's nerfed because thay ether cant be bother to train specced for what thay fly or there a noob. a vaga pilot with the right skill's and the skill to be able to fly it right will kill most thing's and not lose it that often vaga's are a good ship but there are better and there are way's and fitting's that can beat a vaga easerly. just learn to play eve with what it is like rather than try to change it just for you why dont you change or those that want it changed change your self's to play eve and stop moaning about other ship's. i mean a corpie kill's cruiser and BC in a frig ( tristan ) does that mean it is way over powerd i dont think so it come's down to the pilot's skill's to be able to pvp + his fitting's + his's skill's.
Shar'Tuk TheHated	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:37:00 - [80] Originally by: Estephania Originally by: Shar'Tuk TheHated Nerf you. How about people stop calling for nerfs.. try a huggin for a change and stop whining thanks. And what super-special ship is needed to counter other HACs? See, your point is void. How is it void when theres something to counter it which doesnt make it invulnerable like everyone likes to make it sound. Use the correct tools for the job and there isnt a problem. Btw Nano ishtar to answer your dumb question. So because you refuse to use tools provided by the game for the problem you want to remove a racial trait? DRINK RUM It fights scurvy & boosts morale! THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES!
Estephania	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:37:00 - [81] Originally by: lorddlo25 hmmm why is it ppl want everything nerf'ed minmatar are serpose to be kinda the fast race and also the alfa strike race you want to nerf the hole minmatar way of life ? ppl want thing's nerfed because thay ether cant be bother to train specced for what thay fly or there a noob. a vaga pilot with the right skill's and the skill to be able to fly it right will kill most thing's and not lose it that often vaga's are a good ship but there are better and there are way's and fitting's that can beat a vaga easerly. just learn to play eve with what it is like rather than try to change it just for you why dont you change or those that want it changed change your self's to play eve and stop moaning about other ship's. i mean a corpie kill's cruiser and BC in a frig ( tristan ) does that mean it is way over powerd i dont think so it come's down to the pilot's skill's to be able to pvp + his fitting's + his's skill's. It's hard to deduce anything from your post except from a half-hidden advice to train for Huginn if we want to stop Vaga. That is ingenious indeed. Imagine a wonderful situation when small scale PvP would consist only of Vagas and Huginns
Estephania	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:41:00 - [82] Originally by: Shar'Tuk TheHated Originally by: Estephania Originally by: Shar'Tuk TheHated Nerf you. How about people stop calling for nerfs.. try a huggin for a change and stop whining thanks. And what super-special ship is needed to counter other HACs? See, your point is void. How is it void when theres something to counter it which doesnt make it invulnerable like everyone likes to make it sound. Use the correct tools for the job and there isnt a problem. Btw Nano ishtar to answer your dumb question. So because you refuse to use tools provided by the game for the problem you want to remove a racial trait? No, I don't want to remove racial trait. Vagas without unbalanced nano-bonuses and stupidly overpowered pirate implants are perfectly fine. And to counter your dumb answer to my dumb question we should use NANO-Ishtar to counter NANO-Vagabond oh the irony.
Cordial Ripper Minmatar g guild	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:42:00 - [83] Edited by: Cordial Ripper on 10/12/2007 17:43:02 Originally by: Estephania Question stays. If all HACs are balanced, then why nano-able HACs are used so much compared to nonnano-able HACs? first of all post with ure main second of all everybody plays the way they like it. this question it's silly from the moment u wrote it. How can 1 person see what 10 000 ppl are thinking ? if tomorow all will want to go mining in a nano bs whould u find it offensive ? agan a guy who realy like to change te game to his liking -------------------- Neft the noobs, not all just the idiot ones
Estephania	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:49:00 - [84] For those that didn't get it yet. IMHO, what is borked is not the Vaga or Ishtar. What is borked are nano bonuses which should be revised. What is borked are pirate implants which turn certain ships into uber pwnmobiles.
Malcanis High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:51:00 - [85] Originally by: Zemeckis R Given that no ship should be better than others in its class, and the vagabond is clearly not inline, 'balance' it :) The Vagabond just got a HUGE nerf. It's called an 8km/s Hyena. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Shar'Tuk TheHated	Posted - 2007.12.10 18:00:00 - [86] Originally by: Estephania No, I don't want to remove racial trait. Vagas without unbalanced nano-bonuses and stupidly overpowered pirate implants are perfectly fine. And to counter your dumb answer to my dumb question we should use NANO-Ishtar to counter NANO-Vagabond oh the irony. First YES you DO want to remove speed which is the racial trait. Second not everyone is running around in pirate implant vagas and if they spend that much isk they better well be hard to catch, I mean its not like you cant. If you couldnt there WOULD be a problem but since you CAN I dont see the problem. So is this going to be the Nerf flavor of the month with all the whiners that cant handle problems in pvp that can be dealt with its just a little tough? DRINK RUM It fights scurvy & boosts morale! THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES!
lorddlo25 Caldari g guild	Posted - 2007.12.10 18:00:00 - [87] Originally by: Estephania Originally by: lorddlo25 hmmm why is it ppl want everything nerf'ed minmatar are serpose to be kinda the fast race and also the alfa strike race you want to nerf the hole minmatar way of life ? ppl want thing's nerfed because thay ether cant be bother to train specced for what thay fly or there a noob. a vaga pilot with the right skill's and the skill to be able to fly it right will kill most thing's and not lose it that often vaga's are a good ship but there are better and there are way's and fitting's that can beat a vaga easerly. just learn to play eve with what it is like rather than try to change it just for you why dont you change or those that want it changed change your self's to play eve and stop moaning about other ship's. i mean a corpie kill's cruiser and BC in a frig ( tristan ) does that mean it is way over powerd i dont think so it come's down to the pilot's skill's to be able to pvp + his fitting's + his's skill's. It's hard to deduce anything from your post except from a half-hidden advice to train for Huginn if we want to stop Vaga. That is ingenious indeed. Imagine a wonderful situation when small scale PvP would consist only of Vagas and Huginns LMFAO ok here is a list of ship's that i belive can kill a vaga as you are to much of a noob to work it out. curse / pilgrim / dominix / raven / huggin / rapier / ishtar / scorpion / armageddon / apoc / mega / drake / hurricane / myrmidon / harbinger / astarte / slipner / sac / <<< so what race do you fly ? and on top of that most ship's with the RIGHT fitting can kill alot of thing's you just need to get out of a station more and try thing's out lol.
Sharky1116 Caldari Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.10 18:05:00 - [88] Vaga always had a counter! Bring in a BB or a Rook! now you got a useless fast flying ship... cant kill what you cant shoot and i doubt a vaga would give up speed mods to fit a ECCM Simple Solutions to Simple Problems Jamming is My Business and Business is Good! RDEX FTW!!
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.12.10 18:16:00 - [89] Originally by: Sharky1116 Edited by: Sharky1116 on 10/12/2007 18:07:17 Vaga always had a counter! Bring in a BB or a Rook! now you got a useless fast flying ship... cant kill what you cant shoot and i doubt a vaga would give up speed mods to fit a ECCM Simple Solutions to Simple Problems P.S. Vaga's cant touch me/or my gangmates in my Rook that can jam out to 249km's Vaga's get jammed when you look at them funny. I remember one time being perma jammed by a 1 month old BB pilot. He completely took me out of the fight we were having in M-o. I had to ask in vent for some to kill him for me...it was very embarrassing 400mil of ship and fittings rendered useless by a 3mil cruiser and a lucky multi spec
Sharky1116 Caldari Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.10 18:23:00 - [90] Edited by: Sharky1116 on 10/12/2007 18:24:02 lol ECM is the answer to all the Uber nano-ships Just bring along a friendly BB Pilot and your pretty safe! unless you get uber Blobbed... then it wasn't your day or you had very bad intel/scout! Jamming is My Business and Business is Good! RDEX FTW!!

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