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Vlade Randal	Posted - 2007.12.10 10:17:00 - [1] Trinity Patch has caused some serious issues. From minor bugs, to totally crashing out people's computers, rendering them useless. I could go on for many paragraphs, but when it comes down to it, we all know this current patch is rubbish. The worst mess up i've experienced in online gaming. CCP, i think you should compensate us with free EvE time to make up for all the crap you have put us through. I think its totally unfair that i am being charged to play when i believe the game is incomplete and thus not playable.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.12.10 10:18:00 - [2] Gimme your stuff Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton thats a boot.ini a file used by windows
ry ry StateCorp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.12.10 10:18:00 - [3] Originally by: Vlade Randal Trinity Patch has caused some serious issues. From minor bugs, to totally crashing out people's computers, rendering them useless. I could go on for many paragraphs, but when it comes down to it, we all know this current patch is rubbish. The worst mess up i've experienced in online gaming. CCP, i think you should compensate us with free EvE time to make up for all the crap you have put us through. I think its totally unfair that i am being charged to play when i believe the game is incomplete and thus not playable. then quit. *again.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.10 10:19:00 - [4] You are being charged to have an active account on the server, nothing more. If you don't like it, stop paying. - DesuSigs
Heten Oviri	Posted - 2007.12.10 10:22:00 - [5] i had a lot of fun ganking miners today in high sec ... killed a few, made 90 million ISK, lotsa smack in local - fun times :D yes the graphics are a bit messed up on my computer, the game randomly quits, but it is hardly un-playable
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.12.10 10:22:00 - [6] DT almost here, I gonna go play some unplayable Eve! Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton thats a boot.ini a file used by windows
Lazarann Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.12.10 10:22:00 - [7] Instead of complaining to people who are going to (mostly) do nothing but flame you, just close your account if it's really that bad. I'll take your stuff too.
Fall Girl	Posted - 2007.12.10 10:22:00 - [8] Can I have your stuff?
Barbaro55a Caldari Amesha Spentaz Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2007.12.10 10:24:00 - [9] Originally by: Vlade Randal I think its totally unfair that i am being charged to play when i believe the game is incomplete and thus not playable. I usually hang around the Forge, so please contract your stuff to me their. If you don't like it, sod off. Games break, bugs get through, live with it. People like you really annoy me, Moron. Originally by: ISD Valorem If someone has hurt you out of game then please talk to family, friends or Police (if necessary)
Digital Solaris Spartan Industries	Posted - 2007.12.10 10:25:00 - [10] Originally by: Vlade Randal CCP, i think you should compensate us with free EvE time to make up for all the crap you have put us through. I think you should shut up.

Major Death Caldari Yiotul Fighters Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.12.10 10:25:00 - [11] Don't bother asking for this or anyone else stuff, given the current state of the game you might never receive it. My original sig was 'Enjoy lag free play in a dynamic space MMORPG'. It was removed for lack of EVE content! ;) CCP say 'Shut up about bugs and eat your eye candy!'
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.12.10 10:26:00 - [12] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Gimme your stuff No, no, no. That's not how you're supposed to do it. You're supposed to ask for his stuff. --- Join BH-DL Skills
Ares Lightfeather Gallente	Posted - 2007.12.10 10:27:00 - [13] Because the contract you signed with them states that you pay when the server isn't available. No more complicated than that. What you actually pay for is the loan of some data on a server, and an access to it outside of maintenance / upgrade times whether or not bugs prevent you to access it. -- random eve-related content --
smenkhare The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.12.10 10:29:00 - [14] Originally by: Vlade Randal CCP, i think you should compensate us with free EvE time to make up for all the crap you have put us through. I think its totally unfair that i am being charged to play when i believe the game is incomplete and thus not playable. a) they didn't put me through any crap b) incomplete? not playable? playing perfectly fine for me.
Claire Parker	Posted - 2007.12.10 10:36:00 - [15] Amazing how many forum *****s there are. You all come out of the woodwork at any chance to smack. Sad though that you can look at EvE's current status and call it a working model. You lot must be easily pleased. I'm a bit more picky about what i see as acceptable and atm EvE is a bit too prototype for my liking.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.10 10:37:00 - [16] Originally by: Claire Parker troll troll troll You know what you have to do... - DesuSigs
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.10 10:39:00 - [17] If the game is unplayable, then I assume you are not playing? Therefore, unsubscribe until such time as you consider the game playable again. Either you are paying for a product you are not using, which is kinda dumb, or you are playing the game thus rendering your unplayable arguement void. Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
Major Death Caldari Yiotul Fighters Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.12.10 10:41:00 - [18] The problem with telling people to STFU and unsubscribe is that if a lot of people start getting ***ed off with the game it will die. Get annoyed at CCP, not at other users. My original sig was 'Enjoy lag free play in a dynamic space MMORPG'. It was removed for lack of EVE content! ;)* CCP say 'Shut up about bugs and eat your eye candy!'
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.10 10:42:00 - [19] Originally by: Major Death The problem with telling people to STFU and unsubscribe is that if a lot of people start getting ****ed off with the game it will die. Get annoyed at CCP, not at other users. If that many people start unsubscribing, CCP will have to fix the problems or lose their source of income. Imagine, the "I Quit"ers will have actually achieved something. - DesuSigs
Ares Lightfeather Gallente	Posted - 2007.12.10 10:42:00 - [20] Originally by: Claire Parker Amazing how many forum *****s there are. You all come out of the woodwork at any chance to smack. Sad though that you can look at EvE's current status and call it a working model. You lot must be easily pleased. I'm a bit more picky about what i see as acceptable and atm EvE is a bit too prototype for my liking. Then leave. And good luck finding any other MMORPG that isn't feeling like a prototype. Newsflash : there isn't any. All MMORPG nerf and boost stuff more or less randomly depending on the amount of whining / their vision of what the game should be / the way the wind blows / what is really needed to make the game work. CCP is changing according of their vision most of the time, which is enough for me. And, can I have your stuff ? -- random eve-related content --

Chinua Suren Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.12.10 10:51:00 - [21] Originally by: Vlade Randal Trinity Patch has caused some serious issues. From minor bugs, to totally crashing out people's computers, rendering them useless. I could go on for many paragraphs, but when it comes down to it, we all know this current patch is rubbish. The worst mess up i've experienced in online gaming. CCP, i think you should compensate us with free EvE time to make up for all the crap you have put us through. I think its totally unfair that i am being charged to play when i believe the game is incomplete and thus not playable. Strange...I haven't suffered from this patch at all. I don't want any compensation. Perhaps you should stop speaking for others. I don't have any hard numbers, just like you don't, but I believe most users are just fine. Besides, CCP gives us all expansions for free so cut them some slack, mmmkay? --- None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. û Goethe
Cygnus Zhada Amarr The Wild Hunt Pure.	Posted - 2007.12.10 10:55:00 - [22] As stated earlier, the usual trolling suspects are flocking to this one majorly fast. The amount of sh!te that passed through the Q&A filter this patch is rather amazing, I'm not talking about nerfs because there weren't any, all that happened was getting certain ships in line with their racial counterparts. However, the amount of 'undocumented features' is sickening though, I'm amazed they could cram so many mistakes and problems into one single patch even if they really tried. If you stop sucking CCP c0k for a second and look beyond the graphics changes this whole update is one big pile of fail. ------------ We didn't want that boot.ini anyway
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.10 10:58:00 - [23] Originally by: Cygnus Zhada However, the amount of 'undocumented features' is sickening though, I'm amazed they could cram so many mistakes and problems into one single patch even if they really tried. If you stop sucking CCP c0k for a second and look beyond the graphics changes this whole update is one big pile of fail. You have missed the point. The point is not that CCP is great and amazing and can do no wrong. The point is that merely being here is a validation of the job they have done. So, if you think its not worth paying for, leave. - DesuSigs
Moraguth Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.12.10 11:03:00 - [24] I have no problem playing. The game seems awesomely playable to me. Seems to me you have a problem that you can clear up. I'm not saying the patch is a godsend or anything, but seriously, where does this sense of entitlement come from? Yes, I know you put 15 bucks in their wallet every month, but that's not really enough. Take a breath, calm down, and enjoy the game. I am. If not, can i have your stuff? good game
Jaketh Ivanes Amarr Do Or Die And Live Or Try	Posted - 2007.12.10 11:09:00 - [25] Originally by: Vlade Randal Trinity Patch has caused some serious issues. From minor bugs, to totally crashing out people's computers, rendering them useless. I could go on for many paragraphs, but when it comes down to it, we all know this current patch is rubbish. The worst mess up i've experienced in online gaming. CCP, i think you should compensate us with free EvE time to make up for all the crap you have put us through. I think its totally unfair that i am being charged to play when i believe the game is incomplete and thus not playable. Crap, what crap?? EvE works just fine for me.
Logi3 Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.12.10 11:18:00 - [26] What problems are you having? Hard to help without details. Touch wood no problems with eve my end, both on my main PC and Laptop which is getting 40-50fps in classic on a 9700/64mb mobility! ----
DrAtomic Atomic Heroes Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.10 11:19:00 - [27] Eurhm you do realise that (except for this boot.ini thing) that this was the most stable release CCP has put out thus far? ----------------------------------------------- iskies + my wallet = <3 Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed.
Karma Gallente Vortex Incorporated	Posted - 2007.12.10 11:24:00 - [28] Edited by: Karma on 10/12/2007 11:24:06 Originally by: Vlade Randal The worst mess up i've experienced in online gaming. obviously you didn't play Starwars galaxies when they introduced "New Game Experience (NGE)" Originally by: Vlade Randal CCP, i think you should compensate us with free EvE time to make up for all the crap you have put us through. I think its totally unfair that i am being charged to play when i believe the game is incomplete and thus not playable. I have a theory, I believe that those who are most verbal about getting 'compensation' for the boot.ini screw-up... weren't actually affected by it. [it's like how the ones you need to worry about committing suicide aren't the ones who go around complaining all the time, it's the quiet ones.] but either way, just because you believe the game is incomplete and thus not playable, it doesn't mean that everyone believes the same. the 41,000+ players who were on simultaneously yesterday certainly seemed to feel the game was playable enough.
Apocryphai Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.10 11:41:00 - [29] Originally by: Cygnus Zhada As stated earlier, the usual trolling suspects are flocking to this one majorly fast. The amount of sh!te that passed through the Q&A filter this patch is rather amazing, I'm not talking about nerfs because there weren't any, all that happened was getting certain ships in line with their racial counterparts. However, the amount of 'undocumented features' is sickening though, I'm amazed they could cram so many mistakes and problems into one single patch even if they really tried. If you stop sucking CCP c0k for a second and look beyond the graphics changes this whole update is one big pile of fail. Then just stop paying. Same message to the OP. It's not mandatory you know. If you're unhappy just. Stop. Playing. Think what you could do with the $15/month you save! You could buy a beer every day.. no wait, you couldn't. Hmm. You could go to the cinema, er, twice a month! Or you could take your girlfriend out for a pizza once a month! Awesome! Oh, and stuff please, thanks. ________________________________________________________________ Originally by: Victor Valka What the skull-chick said.
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.12.10 11:43:00 - [30] Originally by: Apocryphai Originally by: Cygnus Zhada As stated earlier, the usual trolling suspects are flocking to this one majorly fast. The amount of sh!te that passed through the Q&A filter this patch is rather amazing, I'm not talking about nerfs because there weren't any, all that happened was getting certain ships in line with their racial counterparts. However, the amount of 'undocumented features' is sickening though, I'm amazed they could cram so many mistakes and problems into one single patch even if they really tried. If you stop sucking CCP c0k for a second and look beyond the graphics changes this whole update is one big pile of fail. Then just stop paying. Same message to the OP. It's not mandatory you know. If you're unhappy just. Stop. Playing. Think what you could do with the $15/month you save! You could buy a beer every day.. no wait, you couldn't. Hmm. You could go to the cinema, er, twice a month! Or you could take your girlfriend out for a pizza once a month! Awesome! Oh, and stuff please, thanks. Y'know, for someone who pimps the CAOD cleaner every chance they get, you really are a jerk.

Cygnus Zhada Amarr The Wild Hunt Pure.	Posted - 2007.12.10 11:45:00 - [31] really... "if you have concerns/problems stop playing". Is that all you lot can come up with? Is that the latest craze to look cool on teh internetz? If my car breaks down and has malfunctions I should just "stop driving" and buy another one? If some household appliance all of a sudden bursts into flames and burns down my house I should just "stop using" it? Are you for real? The game is good, it's just the Q&A that feks it up. ------------ We didn't want that boot.ini anyway
Apocryphai Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.10 11:50:00 - [32] Originally by: Amarria Black Y'know, for someone who pimps the CAOD cleaner every chance they get, you really are a jerk. Awesome argument! You've completely demolished my position and undermined my point! No, wait.... ________________________________________________________________ Originally by: Victor Valka What the skull-chick said.
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.12.10 11:54:00 - [33] Originally by: Apocryphai Originally by: Amarria Black Y'know, for someone who pimps the CAOD cleaner every chance they get, you really are a jerk. Awesome argument! You've completely demolished my position and undermined my point! No, wait.... You presented no point worth refuting. Also, your argument, while disingenuous, was accurate and therefore pointless to refute.
Apocryphai Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.10 12:12:00 - [34] Edited by: Apocryphai on 10/12/2007 12:12:23 Originally by: Amarria Black You presented no point worth refuting. Also, your argument, while disingenuous, was accurate and therefore pointless to refute. OK, I'll try it without the sarcasm. My point was that EVE has a very high value. It provides a huge amount of possible entertainment for a very low cost. If you compare the cost of EVE to other common forms of entertainment, such as drinking alcohol, dining out and going to the cinema then you get a lot more value for your money from EVE. In my opinion. Nothing disingenuous about that, it's a serious point I'm making. Relating to the original post, similar to all other forms of entertainment (deliberate emphasis) if the OP isn't happy with what he/she is receiving for their money then they have the choice to simply not partake in said entertainment. EVE, like getting drunk, eating out and watching movies, isn't an essential service like electricity, water, healthcare etc. It's an optional pastime. There are a limitless number of alternative forms of entertainment that the OP can partake in if they find that EVE isn't to their liking. It's really not rocket science, and the point of my posts here is that I am fed up and increasingly amused at the histrionic nature of the whine posts about Trinity here. If you're not happy with the service you're getting for your $15/month (or whatever) then stop paying and stop playing. Really, it's that simple as far as I can see. ________________________________________________________________ Originally by: Victor Valka What the skull-chick said.
Araxmas The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency	Posted - 2007.12.10 12:16:00 - [35] Originally by: Claire Parker Amazing how many forum *****s there are. You all come out of the woodwork at any chance to smack. Sad though that you can look at EvE's current status and call it a working model. You lot must be easily pleased. I'm a bit more picky about what i see as acceptable and atm EvE is a bit too prototype for my liking. But eve works on my crappy computer with two accounts and hasn't crashed yet except when I was virus sweeping at same time. From my experiance of having trinity without lag on a crappy computer (while dual accounts) I have estimated that most whines are vastly exagerrated...because trinity works 100% for me (cept pos warfare but I'm not in an alliance so for them it's probably annoying and i'll accept that one as a flaw). -------- The Derek Quote Pyramid
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.12.10 12:17:00 - [36] Originally by: Apocryphai Edited by: Apocryphai on 10/12/2007 12:12:23 Originally by: Amarria Black You presented no point worth refuting. Also, your argument, while disingenuous, was accurate and therefore pointless to refute. OK, I'll try it without the sarcasm. My point was that EVE has a very high value. It provides a huge amount of possible entertainment for a very low cost. If you compare the cost of EVE to other common forms of entertainment, such as drinking alcohol, dining out and going to the cinema then you get a lot more value for your money from EVE. In my opinion. Nothing disingenuous about that, it's a serious point I'm making. Relating to the original post, similar to all other forms of entertainment (deliberate emphasis) if the OP isn't happy with what he/she is receiving for their money then they have the choice to simply not partake in said entertainment. EVE, like getting drunk, eating out and watching movies, isn't an essential service like electricity, water, healthcare etc. It's an optional pastime. There are a limitless number of alternative forms of entertainment that the OP can partake in if they find that EVE isn't to their liking. It's really not rocket science, and the point of my posts here is that I am fed up and increasingly amused at the histrionic nature of the whine posts about Trinity here. If you're not happy with the service you're getting for your $15/month (or whatever) then stop paying and stop playing. Really, it's that simple as far as I can see. Agreed. MMOs are some of the most cost effective forms of entertainment around, and are unequaled in sheer quantity of playable man-hours. And paying to play a game you don't like is stupid.
Amerus Eternal Industries	Posted - 2007.12.10 12:22:00 - [37] no offence, but it hasnt been that bad. if the server was down for 3 days or so, then i would agree on some kind of compensation. But server has been up and runing, several bugs, yes. But, server is still up and running and it's operational to the end where you can play. ______________________ Im Minmatar, i can't afford a sig!
Apocryphai Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.10 12:23:00 - [38] Originally by: Amarria Black Agreed. MMOs are some of the most cost effective forms of entertainment around, and are unequaled in sheer quantity of playable man-hours. And paying to play a game you don't like is stupid. We agree. It's a first for internet spaceships forums!!11 Two people agreeing on something! Quick, mods, delete us both before it gets out of hand!! :D ________________________________________________________________ Originally by: Victor Valka What the skull-chick said.
flashfreaking LFC FreeFall Securities	Posted - 2007.12.10 12:24:00 - [39] Just quit already will ya, and leave us be... 'I quit, I quit'. It lost its meaning by now you know...
MacGrowler III The Black Rabbits Academy The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2007.12.10 12:28:00 - [40] I can't see what you're complaining about. Trinity has to be the most stable patch I have experienced in my EVE life. I have either been really lucky and missed any server crashes or database glitches wihich have caused unscheduled downtime or there hasn't been any. OK the boot.ini debarcle should have been avoided and POS warfare has stopped for a bit, otherwise it's been plain sailing. 41k+ players, well thats always gonna hit Jita around the head with a piece of 2 by 4 But like what everyone else said, if you're not enjoying it then go and do something more interesting instead.

Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.12.10 12:28:00 - [41] Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 10/12/2007 12:28:34 Originally by: cal nereus Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Gimme your stuff No, no, no. That's not how you're supposed to do it. You're supposed to ask for his stuff. Fine... may I PLEASE have your stuff? Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton thats a boot.ini a file used by windows
Vlade Randal	Posted - 2007.12.10 14:03:00 - [42] LOL, this is why i usually avoid forums. Glad ur all so interested in my topic. But I still stand by the Trinity = TheSuck view. Don't be fooled by flashy textures dumped on old models, the current running EvE is well flawed. Personally i thought RPG's were for noobs. I've played heaps and found them all to be the ghey. FPS? Right on! Which is why i play them competitively and to a high standard. However, EvE got me interested where other RPG's hadn't. Not an easy thing to do. I think they made a great game which is why i continued to play..... obviously. I developed a respect for CCP, and thus have high expectations of what CCP are capable of putting out. On this occaision they have not met my expectation. I tend not to quote people cos its quite offensive, but since you all love quotes heres one just for you: "CCP should make lolly pops, there's plenty of ppl who would line up to suck them."
Hyllekjeks hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.12.10 14:17:00 - [43] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Gimme your stuff good idea, let me right-click all my stuff and create contract... wait it didn't work. Sorry I'll try some other time. This patch sucks atm. right now I'm just paying so I can train skills for when the game is back the way it should be
MasterEnt	Posted - 2007.12.10 14:29:00 - [44] If the game is broken.. why do you still even want to play it, free or not. Seems like a waste of time to me. I mean, do you normally try to drive a broken car over and over? Do you just get in it and me the engine sounds and pretend you are going somewhere? and... As far as I remember, there is a CANCEL SUBSCRIPTION tab somewhere in in "My Account" When you activate this you effectively stop paying.
Richard Aiel Caldari DEATHFUNK Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.12.10 14:34:00 - [45] You shiouldnt have to pay and you dont HAVE to pay, can I have yer stuff? Sig as follows:EPIC FAIL
Natalia Survenka	Posted - 2007.12.10 14:37:00 - [46] Topic: You shouldn't. Cancel your sub and send me your stuff.
Kharadran Sullath Caldari Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.12.10 14:41:00 - [47] Psst! OP! You don't. >.> ------ Originally by: Graveyard Tan I call bull** and troll. If you are deaf**, how are you even able to read this or type replies?
KISOGOKU	Posted - 2007.12.10 14:44:00 - [48] Edited by: KISOGOKU on 10/12/2007 14:44:50 dear vlade nothing unexpected except boot.ini disaster ,i started at red moon and i had major problems whit my pc.I stop my major activities at patch days from 24 hour to 4days.problems and reboots are reguler.I had zero problem after trinity but all the problems people has dont surprise me atm. A patch fix 1 thing sc**** another thing get used to it this is how to things work in programing world To the give me your stuff ppl , You dont go to a store and tell cusomers stfu go somewhere else if you dont like here do you?But why you are doing this in a spaceship game beyond me
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.10 14:45:00 - [49] Originally by: Cygnus Zhada really... "if you have concerns/problems stop playing". Is that all you lot can come up with? Is that the latest craze to look cool on teh internetz? If you look real close you'll see the OP is about whether we should pay or not. - DesuSigs
Tasuric Orka Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.10 14:50:00 - [50] Originally by: Vlade Randal Trinity Patch has caused some serious issues. From minor bugs, to totally crashing out people's computers, rendering them useless. I could go on for many paragraphs, but when it comes down to it, we all know this current patch is rubbish. The worst mess up i've experienced in online gaming. CCP, i think you should compensate us with free EvE time to make up for all the crap you have put us through. I think its totally unfair that i am being charged to play when i believe the game is incomplete and thus not playable. I'm pretty sure in that there is a portion in the EULA(sp?) that we all ignored where it says ccp has no obligation to refund any lost game time due to technical difficulties, same goes for panicking computer novice's who made a minor problem into a big one. So no, i can understand the frustration, but its your own fault for.. A: being ignorant of the actual problem and making it worse by taking wrong actions. B: Not reading something they require you to agree to when you install the game. Suck it up will ya? ________________________________________________ Currently training for "caldari overlord I" Thank you ccp!

Natalia Survenka	Posted - 2007.12.10 14:53:00 - [51] Originally by: Ares Lightfeather Then leave. And good luck finding any other MMORPG that isn't feeling like a prototype. Newsflash : there isn't any. Actually, there will be in a few months. Careful about that train of thought.
Xthril Ranger hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.12.10 15:03:00 - [52] This is what happens when we forget to give vlade his daily hug . you'll never jump alone
Jukhta Mein	Posted - 2007.12.10 15:24:00 - [53] Eve is a great game and people like the OP know it. That's why they're not leaving even though they strongly view certain things as 'rubbish'. Why should we have to give up the entire game just because of some 'rubbish' in it? And if we decide to stick with the 'rubbish' for a certain time at least, why should we be forbidden or get flamed/trolled for complaining about this rubbish?
hamitron	Posted - 2007.12.10 15:33:00 - [54] Originally by: Jukhta Mein Eve is a great game and people like the OP know it. That's why they're not leaving even though they strongly view certain things as 'rubbish'. Why should we have to give up the entire game just because of some 'rubbish' in it? And if we decide to stick with the 'rubbish' for a certain time at least, why should we be forbidden or get flamed/trolled for complaining about this rubbish? I'll 2nd that. Only way CCP will know what some are thinking is us voicing our opinions. Although not in favour of any financial compensation, I agree CCP should be embarrassed by this patch and look at how they can reduce bugs in future patches. Personally, I do feel the patch was rushed out, without a good spell of testing...
Taint Caldari The Ankou The Reckoning.	Posted - 2007.12.10 15:35:00 - [55] Originally by: Vlade Randal Trinity Patch has caused some serious issues. From minor bugs, to totally crashing out people's computers, rendering them useless. I could go on for many paragraphs, but when it comes down to it, we all know this current patch is rubbish. The worst mess up i've experienced in online gaming. CCP, i think you should compensate us with free EvE time to make up for all the crap you have put us through. I think its totally unfair that i am being charged to play when i believe the game is incomplete and thus not playable. can i have all your stuff before they close your acount ?
QwaarJet Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.12.10 15:36:00 - [56] Not a good idea Vlade. I knew as soon as I read your post that you were going to get flamed to hell and back. Having said that, I agree with what you are saying, and I am frankly astonished at some of these so called "mature" players reactions. The guy has a genuine gripe, and it's not exactly difficult to see where he is coming from, since we've just had the worst patch in EVE history.....hell probably in MMO history. I'm sure he put up this thread because he cares a great deal about the game, as we all do and just doesn't want to see it in the mess it's currently in. Some of you lot need to grow up, stop flaming each other and instead throw your insults at CCP, and hope they actually listen for a change.
Natalia Survenka	Posted - 2007.12.10 15:39:00 - [57] Originally by: Ares Lightfeather That might be interesting if it weren't delusionnal. Which one exactly ? So I can bookmark this thread for future reference so I can laugh. You didn't get the beta pass? Sorry dude, NDA prevents me from talking about it. The point is not the new MMO coming out, its that new things always do come out and that's usually when everyone leaves the old things behind.
Keden Minmatar Apache Corp Insurgency	Posted - 2007.12.10 15:40:00 - [58] Originally by: Vlade Randal The worst mess up i've experienced in online gaming. LMFAO YOU NEVER PLAYED SWG THEN!!! SOZ CAPS!!!111!!!11111 Unsubscribe then you fool. Game is working for 99% of the eve population. Sorry for my unconstructive post but come on! make a stupid post and get a stupid answer.
Ares Lightfeather Gallente	Posted - 2007.12.10 15:52:00 - [59] Originally by: Natalia Survenka Originally by: Ares Lightfeather That might be interesting if it weren't delusionnal. Which one exactly ? So I can bookmark this thread for future reference so I can laugh. You didn't get the beta pass? Sorry dude, NDA prevents me from talking about it. The point is not the new MMO coming out, its that new things always do come out and that's usually when everyone leaves the old things behind. The reason why you quote my post becomes unclear then. I thought you were contradicting the fact that every single MMORPG by its very nature (adding stuff and functions every little while) feels like a prototype, or a continuous beta. -- random eve-related content --
Hyllekjeks hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.12.10 16:23:00 - [60] Originally by: Keden Originally by: Vlade Randal The worst mess up i've experienced in online gaming. LMFAO YOU NEVER PLAYED SWG THEN!!! SOZ CAPS!!!111!!!11111 Unsubscribe then you fool. Game is working for 99% of the eve population. Sorry for my unconstructive post but come on! make a stupid post and get a stupid answer. 1% of eve players got poses they use?

Dr Paithos Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute	Posted - 2007.12.10 16:24:00 - [61] Originally by: Hyllekjeks Originally by: Keden Originally by: Vlade Randal The worst mess up i've experienced in online gaming. LMFAO YOU NEVER PLAYED SWG THEN!!! SOZ CAPS!!!111!!!11111 Unsubscribe then you fool. Game is working for 99% of the eve population. Sorry for my unconstructive post but come on! make a stupid post and get a stupid answer. 1% of eve players got poses they use? 89.8% of statistics are made up on the spot Quote: Thank you for kittens, glitter, for warm nights in fuzzy blankets... Thank you for dolphins, whales... Thank you for cartoons, for birthdays, for candy and cookies. Thank you CCP!
Syraine	Posted - 2007.12.10 16:33:00 - [62] Originally by: Vlade Randal Trinity Patch has caused some serious issues. From minor bugs, to totally crashing out people's computers, rendering them useless. If you expect bug free gaming, then perhaps MMOs are not for you. Yes the boot.ini thing was a bad mistake, but it didn't cause any physical damage and was easy to fix. Originally by: Vlade Randal I could go on for many paragraphs, but when it comes down to it, we all know this current patch is rubbish. That is your opinion are you are entitled to it. Originally by: Vlade Randal The worst mess up i've experienced in online gaming. You have not played very many MMO games I take it? A lot of games have had HUGE issues. Originally by: Vlade Randal CCP, i think you should compensate us with free EvE time to make up for all the crap you have put us through. This is silly. It was a free expansion, if you don't like your game experience then vote with your wallet, cancel your account and find a game that makes you happier. Originally by: Vlade Randal I think its totally unfair that i am being charged to play when i believe the game is incomplete and thus not playable. The game is NOT unplayable, it plays quite fine, yes it has some bugs, always has and always will. If YOU believe the game is "incomplete and thus not playable", then just cancel. You need to have a lot of patience and understand to enjoy MMOs, they are not instant gratification games, there will be a lot of bugs along the way, some things may take a while to be fixed, it happens in ALL MMOs. If the game was truly that unplayable, they would take the servers down and give people free playtime. Yes there are some things that are screwed up with Trinity, but guess what? IT WAS FREE! Beyond that if you truly believe the game is so miserably broken now, then just leave and come back in a few months to see how its going.
Thrust SSC	Posted - 2007.12.10 16:35:00 - [63] Yes you're right. I completely agree with the OP. Give your money to me instead. I promise I'll put it to good use. Thanks. Originally by: CCP Hammer If you are blind why do you care about better graphics?
sesanti Minmatar Universal Exports	Posted - 2007.12.10 16:45:00 - [64] Originally by: Vlade Randal Trinity Patch has caused some serious issues. From minor bugs, to totally crashing out people's computers, rendering them useless. I could go on for many paragraphs, but when it comes down to it, we all know this current patch is rubbish. The worst mess up i've experienced in online gaming. CCP, i think you should compensate us with free EvE time to make up for all the crap you have put us through. I think its totally unfair that i am being charged to play when i believe the game is incomplete and thus not playable. "I could go on for many paragraphs" "we all know this current patch is rubbish." "From minor bugs, to totally crashing out people's computers, rendering them useless" "i think you should compensate us with free EvE" Since when you represent the playerbase? Do not speak for me, please. If you feel the game is "incomplete" and "unplayable" then don't pay, it's that simple. _______________________________________________ The ShadowMaster - <I am a guy... don't mind the portrait>
DJ P	Posted - 2007.12.10 16:54:00 - [65] Edited by: DJ P on 10/12/2007 16:54:18 This patch (except the issue with the POS) was the best one so far. And I'm talking about the ACTUAL PATCH* and not the PREMIUM CONTENT which is NOT MANDATORY to play the game. So stop complaining about the Premium Content. None force you to install it. Regarding the Premium Content upgrade. Thank CCP that is free and you don't have to pay for it, as in EVERY OTHER MMORPG. As for the other issues, except the few dozen people really being hit by the boot.ini problem, they are minor and are based on software installed on your computers. I know quite a few friends who have multiple crashes, flickering screens, bad fps. It's on their systems and all of them belong to one of the categories : a) Pirate copies of windows, not updated for years. b) Hardware that barely supports the new engine. Nvidia 6800 is bare minimum. You need Nvidia 7600/8600 or Ati X1900+, Dual Core and 2GB RAM to properly play with the PREMIUM CONTENT not MANDATORY. c) Drivers for all hardware. (A lot of people fall on this category). *I haven't see SirMolle or other serious people who have being hit badly by this bug. Only minors who troll for the sake of it.
Montague Zooma Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.10 16:56:00 - [66] "Free expansion". Yeah, I only pay for my newspaper subscription...the actual papers are free! No wonder some people so blindly defend CCP...they're getting a free game with their forum subscription.
dieg0 sanchez	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:05:00 - [67] I see alot of people just teling whoever is upset to quit. Wake up drats! The people that are mad are the ones that cant post a reply beacuse they cant start their computers!!!!! I wonder why you are all so quick to forget that?
River McNamara Caldari Project Aquarion Valkyrie Deus Ex.	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:07:00 - [68] in WOW, staff gives 1 free day for every long unplayable game time.. But EVE player EXP don't stop with server like Wow. __________________________ River McNamara Trasmissions Admiral & Ambassador
Bistot Kid The First Thing You'll Ever See	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:07:00 - [69] Originally by: Vlade Randal The worst mess up i've experienced in online gaming. Worse than the last patch, better than the next! Gives us something to look forward to. -------------------- What? Me Worry? --------------------
Nicho Void Hyper-Nova Tenth Legion	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:09:00 - [70] Originally by: Montague Zooma "Free expansion". Yeah, I only pay for my newspaper subscription...the actual papers are free! No wonder some people so blindly defend CCP...they're getting a free game with their forum subscription. You sir, fail.

Shar'Tuk TheHated	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:09:00 - [71] You dont, now cancel your account and stop whining on the forums. If its such rubbish why do you want free time, wouldnt that just be a waste of time period if its such rubbish? No I think its better you stop wasting your time and our time with whine posts and cancel your account and send me your stuff thanks. DRINK RUM It fights scurvy & boosts morale! THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES!
dieg0 sanchez	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:12:00 - [72] people have a right to be upset! you like eve right well how would you feel if you couldnt play because of downloading a manditory patch that was bugged to hell? think about it drat!
Relyen Caldari Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:15:00 - [73] Originally by: Vlade Randal Trinity Patch has caused some serious issues. From minor bugs, to totally crashing out people's computers, rendering them useless. I could go on for many paragraphs, but when it comes down to it, we all know this current patch is rubbish. The worst mess up i've experienced in online gaming. CCP, i think you should compensate us with free EvE time to make up for all the crap you have put us through. I think its totally unfair that i am being charged to play when i believe the game is incomplete and thus not playable. In case it hasn't been posted. Originally by: EVE EULA NO WARRANTIES The Software, System, Game and all Game Content, and all other services and material provided in connection therewith, are provided "AS IS," with all faults, and without warranty of any kind. You assume all risk of use and all risk associated with accessing the System and playing the Game. CCP disclaims all warranties, whether express or implied, including without limitation the warranties of merchantability, fitness for particular purpose and non-infringement. There is no warranty against interference with your enjoyment of the Game. CCP does not warrant that the operation of the System or your access to the System, or that your use of the Software, will be uninterrupted or error-free, nor that the System or Software will be compatible with your hardware and software. While CCP attempts to have the System available at most times, CCP does not guarantee that the System will always be available, or that the System will not become unavailable during Game play. The System may become unavailable for a number of reasons, including without limitation during the performance of maintenance to the System, for the implementation of new software, for emergency situations and due to equipment or telecommunications failures.
Syraine	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:16:00 - [74] Originally by: Montague Zooma "Free expansion". Yeah, I only pay for my newspaper subscription...the actual papers are free! No wonder some people so blindly defend CCP...they're getting a free game with their forum subscription. Yes but people don't talk about suing the newspaper company because their paper showed up wet or ripped. Defending CCP or any other gaming company had very little to with it. People need to understand that MMOs are different then buying an FRP or RTS game. The quality will just not be the same. I don't care what game it is and who runs it, there is always something wrong with an MMO. The simple fact here is if you don't like this MMO anymore for whatever reason, then don't play it. Most game devs glaze over people screaming and yelling on their forums. Where they REALLY start to notice is when subscriptions drop.
dieg0 sanchez	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:18:00 - [75] YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT! would you or would you not be upset if you were unable to play the game you like because of a manditory patch that F ed up your computer? Answer the question? PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO BE UPSET THIS TIME! no where in there does it say that eve will make your whole computer be "unavaliable" does it ?????????????????
Syraine	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:29:00 - [76] Originally by: dieg0 sanchez YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT! would you or would you not be upset if you were unable to play the game you like because of a manditory patch that F ed up your computer? Answer the question? PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO BE UPSET THIS TIME! no where in there does it say that eve will make your whole computer be "unavaliable" does it ????????????????? NOT True The boot.ini thing happened because of an OPTIONAL PATCH, the classic patch did not cause the problem. Do people who installed the OPTIONAL Premium patch and actually had it cause their PC to crash and not boot anymore have a right to be upset? Hell Yes! But claiming the game is not playable is false. It is very playable, and quite a lot of people are playing with little or no issue.
dieg0 sanchez	Posted - 2007.12.10 18:31:00 - [77] I will Agree with that 100% I just hate it when others answer to someone bringing up and issue is to "just quit then"
Relyen Caldari Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.12.10 18:45:00 - [78] Originally by: dieg0 sanchez YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT! would you or would you not be upset if you were unable to play the game you like because of a manditory patch that F ed up your computer? Answer the question? PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO BE UPSET THIS TIME! no where in there does it say that eve will make your whole computer be "unavaliable" does it ????????????????? I'm not missing the point. It does actually cover this in the EULA as I posted a few posts above. I will requote the section that covers your statement. The Software, System, Game and all Game Content, and all other services and material provided in connection therewith, are provided "AS IS," with all faults, and without warranty of any kind. You assume all risk of use and all risk associated with accessing the System and playing the Game. Don't get me wrong, if I my machine died. I'd be slighty upset. But I'd just save my data and reinstall windows (heck I do that once a year anyways). The potential for a system failure is possible with any piece of software or patch.
Empyre Domestic Reform	Posted - 2007.12.10 18:53:00 - [79] Edited by: Empyre on 10/12/2007 18:55:07 shut.the.****.up. for crying out loud OP, are you stupid or just.. oh wait, there is no other option. if you seriously cannot see how ridiculously idiotic you look starting ANOTHER thread about the SAME crap that 2938472987 other threads contain, then just cease to exist, starting now. you serve no other valuable purpose in life. plus, on top of it all, you're an idiot. edit: censorship ccp. you censored a made up word. amazing. one of the only legitimate complaints someone can have about you and they focus on threatening a team of lawyers they'll never afford to fight a claim that will never win in a court that will never see the case. i used to think i was closer to the bottom of the barrel in intelligence and common sense. thanks for at least proving me wrong people. The official goon buzz-kill.
000Hunter000 Gallente Magners Marauders	Posted - 2007.12.10 18:56:00 - [80] Going on forums and whining u quit if ccp doesn't give in to your demands = fail comming on forums and flaming people and pretending eve is perfectly fine = fail I think both sides should settle down and look at what their doing, stop whining that u will quit if ccp doesn't give u what u want, it makes u sound like a sad little git. But the other group is just as bad, pretending the game and the patch are perfectly fine and wonderfull, cmon, lets be honest here, releasing a patch that deletes ur boot.ini file can hardly be called perfectly fine and wonderfull, but thats not the point i want to make here, just stop pretending it is all good and dandy, it is not and it will never be so because thats just how it is in EVE. Me personally i think as usual there are good and bad things in this patch, i love a lot of the new features and the graphics did look nice, but the purtier graphics come at a cost, people should realize that before whining, and ccp did make it so u can easily revert back to the classic version whenever u want. The large number of nerfs are bad, tbh i have a hard time seeing a really thought through reason for nerfing some of them cept the mob on the forums that whined day in day out to have them nerfed, but some of the fixes are good and were badly needed. So in a few weeks the dust will have settled, people will have decided to go with classic or premium, ohters will find ways around some nerfs, another 'i win' button will be found, and people will find something else they want to see nerfed and come whine about it on the forums, it's just same old really, i can't remember a big patch were stuff like this didn't happen. I would like to conclude with the following few words. The only way not to get sick and tired of this game is simple... adapt or die... it's always been like this and i can imagine it will remain like this for many a patch to come and i would not have survived all these years had i not followed this solid piece of advice. If u don't agree with the above thats your choice and ur right but don't flame me for mine, or do, and see if i care. CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.

Syraine	Posted - 2007.12.10 18:57:00 - [81] Originally by: dieg0 sanchez I will Agree with that 100% I just hate it when others answer to someone bringing up and issue is to "just quit then" Some people have a very harsh way of saying it, or just enjoy flaming people. Fact of the matter is though, MMO Devs have a tough job. I don't envy them one bit. Then people come on the forums and turn every other post into "You suck, you ruined our game, we demand compensation, etc..." A lot less people actually come on here and post constructive criticisms, instead they just cry foul and insist someone owes them something, which doesn't help anyone. I fully support the idea of just quitting if you are that upset. It is a game, its not worth being so upset about. Quit, take some time away, come back or find another game. It is easy for forum threads to be ignored, forgotten, or pushed back several pages. It is hard to ignore drops in subscribers, it directly affects the company. If you truly dislike the game enough to consider it unplayable then why pay for it? Just quit. You save your own sanity, ours, and you show the company that their product no longer interests you in it's current form.
Kurt Armstrong Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.10 19:05:00 - [82] Sure this patch has had its issues (major one's I might add) but at the end of the day if you don't believe you are getting a service that is worth your subscription, then simply cancel it?
Exteerminator	Posted - 2007.12.10 19:15:00 - [83] OP, you're a pathetic sack of ****. Please quit mmorpgs altogether, so no one else will have to endure your whining.
mishkof Caldari eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.10 19:20:00 - [84] lol at all the momos saying this is a complete working game ATM. Just lol. I own a T2 BPO and have a Capital alt. Please hate/troll/smack me.
Shar'Tuk TheHated	Posted - 2007.12.10 19:21:00 - [85] Originally by: dieg0 sanchez YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT! would you or would you not be upset if you were unable to play the game you like because of a manditory patch that F ed up your computer? Answer the question? PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO BE UPSET THIS TIME! no where in there does it say that eve will make your whole computer be "unavaliable" does it ????????????????? Premium content patch was not and is not manditory. I play the game same as you.. the difference is I understand this expantion was huge nearly as large as the original client alone not inclueding the the classic patch. So yeah something this big is going to come with problems just like EVERY patch/expantion of any mmo on the market. Deal with it.. it isnt the end of the world. DRINK RUM It fights scurvy & boosts morale! THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES!
MITSUK0	Posted - 2007.12.10 19:24:00 - [86] Because the world does not revolve around you and you are not a unique and special snowflake.
Empyre Domestic Reform	Posted - 2007.12.10 19:29:00 - [87] Originally by: 000Hunter000 comming on forums and flaming people and pretending eve is perfectly fine = fail there is a distinct difference between 'pretending everything is perfectly fine' and understanding that nothing is perfect.. and letting the people who have kept it going this long worry about fixing those obvious problems. threatening to sue their face off is not one of those things that helps the situation. you can't beat your point into anyone and expect them to actually listen. and in addition, you've seriously gotta review your point a few times in your head or amongst friends to actually validate it before foaming at the mouth trying to explain it in public. The official goon buzz-kill.
Ranger 1 Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.12.11 02:44:00 - [88] This thread = waste of my time. Compensation please.
Killian Pirx eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.11 03:00:00 - [89] The Trinity patch turned my computer into a two-thousand dollar paperweight. I havnt been able to boot it let alone play eve to enjoy the new features. Do I get compensation?
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.11 03:00:00 - [90] Durr, I'm a consumer and I think I'm entitled to the moon, a backrub, and 40 pounds of chocolate if i'm not 100% satisfied Vlade, if you are unhappy about paying, stop paying thats the only power a consumer has and whining on the internets really just makes you a pathetic excuse for a human being Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."

SiJira	Posted - 2007.12.11 03:19:00 - [91] Edited by: SiJira on 11/12/2007 03:19:59 because you payed for a month or whatever and all ccp owes you is an active account this means if you cant post or play the game in any way but your account is active then ccp still held up their part of the deal even if you cant check it now stop whining because this is not usually the case Trashed sig, Shark was here
Sarah Aubry Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.12.11 04:02:00 - [92] If the expansion is so horrible and unplayable then why did the peak user record just get broken? +1 vote for OP to quit. This should be a button when posting! Next to "Post Reply" "Cancel" "Rest Fields" "Vote for OP to quit"
SiJira	Posted - 2007.12.11 20:02:00 - [93] Originally by: Sarah Aubry If the expansion is so horrible and unplayable then why did the peak user record just get broken? +1 vote for OP to quit. This should be a button when posting! Next to "Post Reply" "Cancel" "Rest Fields" "Vote for OP to quit" because the graphic overhaul was significantly better than other expansions according to most people that prefer higher graphics over good gameplay? Trashed sig, Shark was here
Emperor D'Hoffryn No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.12.11 20:11:00 - [94] This expansion is pure win. Yes it has its issues, but every patch does. Most of the problems people are having with the new graphics are prolly their own computer problems, most likely drivers (everyone i see complaining is on a laptop not running third party drivers) the new ships are sweet, some balance changes were a might over the top, but it happens, and nothing is set in stone. The only real issue you can complain about is the boot.ini problem, which couldnt effect everyone. oh, and btw, the POSes break every patch. Its just how it works. With a patch this HUGE, the game has been quite playable. Originally by: Snuggly It's just so great to have an actual reason to not die, incentive is fantastic!
Syraine	Posted - 2007.12.11 20:14:00 - [95] Originally by: Killian Pirx The Trinity patch turned my computer into a two-thousand dollar paperweight. I havnt been able to boot it let alone play eve to enjoy the new features. Do I get compensation? LOL, Seriously?
Ayano Satomi	Posted - 2007.12.12 05:59:00 - [96] I'm not even going to read beyond the op subject. Here's the end of the thread answer: Because you signed the d*mn EULA.
Thicky McThick	Posted - 2007.12.12 11:49:00 - [97] Why not just petition CCP and ask in a nice way, one of my fellow gamers has, and got a nice reply and some free time. It wasn't difficult, ccp are not monsters, they are not unreasonable and they did not suddenly decide to screw over everyones computer (unless they were all drunk down the pub) Post with your Alt and not your Main, 'cos I don't care about your Name.
WA Dragon	Posted - 2007.12.12 12:01:00 - [98] LOL Man O Man I love it when all the EVE Junkies come around to smack any one who dares to diss eve. My advice here is to take a deep breath and go watch TV for a while. I laughed out aloud at some one saying EVE is to much Proto Type EVE is one big experiment live with it. Hi I am WA Dragon.....I am an EVE Junkie.
Armoured C Gallente Globaltech Industries Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2007.12.12 12:02:00 - [99] wow this guy should shut up i am happy with the game experience and ever after missing 5 days after the boot ini problem but i am still happy with it, it hasnt crashed once, lagged once yes all the nerfs were on some point a tad harsh but after all that i still enjoy it, people like you have either (got a crap computer for it to be lagging out now ) lost your ship and making this a a stealth moan just a noobish person a recent wow player :P go back to your hole
Z3r0n THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.12 12:07:00 - [100] I don't think that the patch was a huge blunder on the part of CCP - actually it went through very well if you consider how huge the patch was and all the changes that were made. I do however agree that CCP should reimburse the players for lost game time. Either when the server is down outside of the downtime or if a patch is being deployed that requires an extended downtime. That would be fair... and I remember CCP actually giving us free game time when I first started playing EVE.. but then suddenly they stopped this compensation (even though the service didn't become more stable then before.. if anything it got more instable and required more unscheduled downtimes). This is not a whine and I won't cancel my accounts because of something like this but I still must acknowledge that CCP has stopped giving free game time without giving an explanation. I of course would welcome a reimbursement policy for lost game time... but I don't really expect to get one.

Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.12.12 12:16:00 - [101] Originally by: WA Dragon LOL Man O Man I love it when all the EVE Junkies come around to smack any one who dares to diss eve. My advice here is to take a deep breath and go watch TV for a while. I laughed out aloud at some one saying EVE is to much Proto Type EVE is one big experiment live with it. Hi I am WA Dragon.....I am an EVE Junkie. Weren't you the one crying 'griefer' after losing a mammoth to goons while autopiloting through lowsec? Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton thats a boot.ini a file used by windows
Zeonos Amarr Fairtrade Syndicate	Posted - 2007.12.12 12:19:00 - [102] omg why do i pay just to be online 5min each month (change skills)... omg, why do i pay 15$ for wow aswell??? they have downtime each week!!!... omg why did i pay for [insert game here] its down [insert downtime here].. [Censored]... you pay to have the account on their server, and be able to play, you dont pay for XX hours to use it. and what good will a day of free eve time do you?... wow have done it 15 times or so, i never notice it.. Look I Hijacked a sig!! -Kaemonn <3 Kaemonn -Zeonos A sunset with Kaemonn... how nice... -Wachtmeister In Eve-Online Forum Hijack Signature! -Ivan K This space is reserved for moderator hijacking, Need more colors! Red & Yellow & Pink & Green, Orange & Purple & ME! - Deckard My yellow pwns Deckard's fruity rainbow thingie anyday. BRING IT BABY! -Hango Black and pink 4tw however gold pwns -Eldo
Z3r0n THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.12 12:28:00 - [103] Edited by: Z3r0n on 12/12/2007 12:31:40 Originally by: Zeonos omg why do i pay just to be online 5min each month (change skills)... omg, why do i pay 15$ for wow aswell??? they have downtime each week!!!... omg why did i pay for [insert game here] its down [insert downtime here].. [Censored]... you pay to have the account on their server, and be able to play, you dont pay for XX hours to use it. and what good will a day of free eve time do you?... wow have done it 15 times or so, i never notice it.. It's about the principle! When SOE or Blizzard screw up and their service isn't being provided for a period of time, then their customers get that time compensated. We here in EVE do not get it compensated even if we are paying more then the average MMORPG-Prices. This is simply something that I find unfair! And EULA or no EULA... CCP used to compensate for lost game time and I'm pretty sure they already had their EULA in place back then and that didn't stop them from compensating us. I can only conclude that CCP either doesn't care about their customers and hopes that there are enough CCP-fanbois that will continue paying even if the server is down for 3 weeks or CCP doesn't believe that EVE will ever run good enough so that they can compensate for all the lost game time. There may well be some other reason for it but since CCP never told us, I'm forced to draw some conclusions of my own. Maybe someone at CCP would care to make a statement as to why the reimbursement of game time was removed some 2,5 years ago and never reintroduced?


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