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Misses Gap Caldari The Lantern Mining Corporation	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:18:00 - [31] Bellum - Piracy is a prominent part of Eve. I dont care whether its 0.0 pirates like BoB, low sec or empire pirates. They are all somehow needed. "losers that end up dead because they don't have a brain and think that everyone should cater to them and their lazy/arrogant attitude that carebears get as standard issue before they undock" You should show a little bit more respect towards your "clients" though. Would make your post so much more worthwhile. Gap Attention you need. Children play in the snow aloud. The cat has been podded!
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:23:00 - [32] The OP makes blanket statements and assigns a value judgement on them. For example, 'high-sec pirating is good.' The problem is that the OP doesnt complete the sentence: 'High-sec pirating is good FOR ME.' I'm not for removing all high-sec ganking, and there is certainly ways to reduce the risk. But the reality is that Piewrats like the OP have found a loophole that CCP does not want to close, which is totally one-sided in their favor, and which they wish to continue indefinately. I have yet to see a thread on this subject started by a ganked freighter pilot which says 'Got ganked in high sec and it was the most fun I've had in EVE! Taught me valuable things, was a great fight, and I'd do it again in an instant!'
SiJira	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:30:00 - [33] Edited by: SiJira on 10/12/2007 17:30:29 orly? Trashed sig, Shark was here
Torg Jupiter Minmatar Exploration Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:35:00 - [34] while there's some truth in the words of the threadstarter, people will start asking for his stuff anyways. "If CCP ever removed high sec ganking..." goodness, this is a world of danger, and there's lot's of stuff CCP could remove. i don't see a real reason for worry here.
Edelhonk	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:55:00 - [35] I have nothing against high sec piracy but the Insurance shouldnt pay for a ship, destroyed by CONCORDE Its nearly no risk for the ganker (the security standing loss is a joke tbh, 1 or 2 hours of rat hunting and tata...im back to my old standing) The Insurance is part of CONCORDE, but they pay for a ship destroyed by their own security because the ship owner does breaking the law Its the same if you do a bank robbery, drive away in your own car, your car got crashed by police in the carchase and after that you can take all the money from the robbery and police pay you a new car and you only have to do 3 hours of social work as punishment.....little bit strange. atm a Indu with a load of 50 Mill ISK is worth a suizide ganking.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.10 18:00:00 - [36] Originally by: Princess Jodi I have yet to see a thread on this subject started by a ganked freighter pilot which says 'Got ganked in high sec and it was the most fun I've had in EVE! Taught me valuable things, was a great fight, and I'd do it again in an instant!' Because EVE is meant to be fun for everyone, all the time. - DesuSigs
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.12.10 18:00:00 - [37] Originally by: Suze'Rain I wholeheartedly support the sentiments of the thread. I wish that highsec ganks forfeited insurance, so that the risk/reward were a bit more dicey (I still wince about being ganked once for loot that must've cost at most 3 mill... not for the loss, but because the hassle) - but eve would be a different game without the risk - and a poorer game for that loss. Would scarcely make a difference if they took out insurance. Some idiot hauling half a billion in a freaking Badger is still gonna get ganked. -- Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes
Teyrala	Posted - 2007.12.10 18:22:00 - [38] Edited by: Teyrala on 10/12/2007 18:24:39 Originally by: Xaen Originally by: Suze'Rain I wholeheartedly support the sentiments of the thread. I wish that highsec ganks forfeited insurance, so that the risk/reward were a bit more dicey (I still wince about being ganked once for loot that must've cost at most 3 mill... not for the loss, but because the hassle) - but eve would be a different game without the risk - and a poorer game for that loss. Would scarcely make a difference if they took out insurance. Some idiot hauling half a billion in a freaking Badger is still gonna get ganked. Perhaps, but they deserve it - if someone uses a bc to kill them, the chance is they will still profit from it even if insurance from being concorded war nerfed, but. Nerfing insurance from getting concorded is the right way to go about it as pirates will have to assess the risks and leave part up to luck, but can still profit from being in the right place at the right time. People will still get suicided, pirates can still make isk without any risk, without anyone being at the disadvantage.
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.12.10 18:39:00 - [39] Originally by: Teyrala Perhaps, but they deserve it - if someone uses a bc to kill them, the chance is they will still profit from it even if insurance from being concorded war nerfed, but. Nerfing insurance from getting concorded is the right way to go about it as pirates will have to assess the risks and leave part up to luck, but can still profit from being in the right place at the right time. WecoughThey already have to assess based on cargo, this will change very little. Originally by: Teyrala People will still get suicided, pirates can still make isk without any risk, without anyone being at the disadvantage. There is risk involved. Security rating hits, getting ganked by someone waiting for you to get a global criminal flag, attacking a bait ship, getting your pod exposed... But personally, I derive much enjoyment from benefiting from the stupidity of others. Because that's what it often is. Sure, some newbies simply don't know any better. But other players however, are just plain foolish. I've personally survived a suicide gank without even losing armor HP. Cost the gankers ~30M too. If I can do it (with a low skill alt even), anyone can. So there's no excuse. Tangentially, FFS, why do people use an industrial to move 1-2 items that would fit in a frigate, if not a shuttle? -- Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes
Kirmok	Posted - 2007.12.10 18:44:00 - [40] @OP Okay so if we don't like our way of playing or cater to your methods...we are losers now? You make me go "haha"
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2007.12.10 18:45:00 - [41] A) I was inflammatory on purpose. If you consider yourself in that loser group because you've been killed, well, by definition, you're a loser, because you lost your ship and cargo. If you are not, then why do you feel insulted? B) I'm no WoW noob. I'd much rather fight targets that have a fair chance of fighting back and killing me, but the days of nice even fights are long gone. I can't fly around in a HAC and try and take on a BS solo, because by the time I get half way through the fight, six of his buddies show up to help out due to lack of DPS/increased tank from CCP's game changes. C) I've never been suicide ganked. Ever. I don't use scouts. I don't need them. Want to learn how to avoide being suicided? Go do it for a while, and it will teach you what it takes to accomplish, and there by teach you what it takes to avoid it. The most important step is using your brain. D) Anyone who flies untanked and AFK with lots of ISK in their cargo is arrogant and lazy and an idiot if they don't expect to get killed for it. I really don't think that's up for interpretation? Do you? E) The most difficult types of targets for me to enage? Targets flown by other pirates who know what they're doing and don't want to get ganked. I can always tell when a target is being flown by someone who has pirated another player. I don't know how to describe it, but it's there. F) As for the insurance thing- yeah, that would definitely remove 90% of the noob gankers, the ones who screw it up and don't know what they're doing. But for the pros it won't slow them down in the least. I think that removing insurance from the game 100% across the board would be fair, but then all the carebear losers would complain when they lost a Raven missioning and didn't get all their ISK back. Am I still being abrasive? Yes. Are you included in that 'omg, I'd cry if I didn't get insurance if I lost my Raven' group? If so, suck it up. If insurance was removed from all deaths (not just for high sec ganking) it would be fair, and I think you'd even start seeing some of the less expensive T2 ships being used to gank targets in empire if that were the case, as BS wouldn't be cheaper than a T2 ship in some cases. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I
Teyrala Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2007.12.10 18:55:00 - [42] Originally by: Bellum Eternus F) As for the insurance thing- yeah, that would definitely remove 90% of the noob gankers, the ones who screw it up and don't know what they're doing. But for the pros it won't slow them down in the least. I think that removing insurance from the game 100% across the board would be fair, but then all the carebear losers would complain when they lost a Raven missioning and didn't get all their ISK back. Am I still being abrasive? Yes. Are you included in that 'omg, I'd cry if I didn't get insurance if I lost my Raven' group? If so, suck it up. If insurance was removed from all deaths (not just for high sec ganking) it would be fair, and I think you'd even start seeing some of the less expensive T2 ships being used to gank targets in empire if that were the case, as BS wouldn't be cheaper than a T2 ship in some cases. Fair enough - I never bother with insurance as a ship lasts long enough that insuring it is a waste (I usually sell them before then anyway) Insurance also creates big problems in the economy as it is a major source of isk creation. As for mission runners, they are more likely to not insure their ships anyway.
Phil Exon	Posted - 2007.12.10 19:02:00 - [43] eeeeek! my carebearing a$$ never transports anything worthy in afk mode. it's been a while since Bellum taught me about pirating in Decon :)
Guillame Herschel Gallente Cheers Restaurant and Bar Coalition Of Empires	Posted - 2007.12.10 19:05:00 - [44] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Change after change has reduced/removed solo PVP and low sec piracy from the game. Warp to 0km was a big change that dramatically reduced combat opportunities for pirates (it's much easier for people to avoid combat with WTZ). So you think that everyone should cater to your and your lazy/arrogant attitude that pirates get as standard issue before they undock. Got it. -- Guile can always trump hardware --
Stakhanov Metafarmers	Posted - 2007.12.10 19:15:00 - [45] As a pure lowsec pirate , I totally support highsec piracy. Eve is supposed to be ruled by natural selection , but concord protection goes against this. The result is a mass of sloppy carebears who never have to adapt to threats in highsec ; as is , lowsec offers no good profit opportunity. Any kind of highsec piracy , that takes advantage of game mechanics (not exploits) helps alleviate this and put some selective pressure on the carebears , eventually pushing them to defend themselves or seek protection in 0.0 alliance space (where they can be shot freely at least) The point of Eve is to fight for your survival. Any mechanic that allows players to be safe and keep making profits , is a dangerous breach of the spirit of the game.
Guillame Herschel Gallente Cheers Restaurant and Bar Coalition Of Empires	Posted - 2007.12.10 19:15:00 - [46] Originally by: Xaen If you're hauling 50M or more in a 300k newbie Industrial with no tanking modules fitted, you're a fool. If you're running missions in a high-traffic area and expect to salvage the wrecks in private, you're a fool. Quote: Don't be a juicy target and you won't be attacked for what you're carrying. I see it as Darwinism. Just like mission probing. -- Guile can always trump hardware --
Cherubym	Posted - 2007.12.10 19:15:00 - [47] Another post by someone who has it all figured out and is upset that the game is stopping them from making other people's lives miserable. Insulting everyone with name calling says everything anyone needs to know about you and your playstyle. The fact is that 'carebears' are the only reason this game still exists at all. Eventually hi-sec gankers (or griefers, take your pick) will be a thing of the past, and eventually pvp will be consensual, with free-form pvp relegated to backwater systems. I suspect the chief reason it isn't already consensual is that CCP's hardware couldn't support the 150,000 people that would sign up in the first month they implemented it. You can bet their CEO is thinking about it though. Anyway...if you're unhappy with the game then your energy is better spent looking for a new one - it's only going to get worse for you. Flame away, but anyone who's been playing these games long enough (I go back to beta Ultima Online, myself) knows it's coming and there isn't a thing anyone can do about it - in the end the subscription base will win.
Guillame Herschel Gallente Cheers Restaurant and Bar Coalition Of Empires	Posted - 2007.12.10 19:17:00 - [48] C'mon. Somebody else ** in my coffee. I dare you. -- Guile can always trump hardware --**
Phil Exon	Posted - 2007.12.10 19:17:00 - [49] Nah, Bellum is one of the best pirates out there. For a while he had one of the highest bounties on him for a reason. Once, we've tried to engage him with 4 battleships and a few supports and he ended up killing a few of us. We were big time nooblets back then but still he didn't hesitate. I think his pirate opinion matters.
Suze'Rain Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.10 19:21:00 - [50] Originally by: Xaen Originally by: Suze'Rain I wholeheartedly support the sentiments of the thread. I wish that highsec ganks forfeited insurance, so that the risk/reward were a bit more dicey (I still wince about being ganked once for loot that must've cost at most 3 mill... not for the loss, but because the hassle) - but eve would be a different game without the risk - and a poorer game for that loss. Would scarcely make a difference if they took out insurance. Some idiot hauling half a billion in a freaking Badger is still gonna get ganked. if anyone is hauling a billion isk worth of stuff in a hauler, I'd be there to suicide 'em too. it's when it's only a few million (ie, 0-5m) that it seems daft that the risk and loss from ganking is sufficiently low to allow profitable actions.
Violine Ming Gallente Apostles of Eve	Posted - 2007.12.10 19:35:00 - [51] High Sec Ganking needs to stay in game. The only time I have been ganked in high sec WASN'T in a hauler. I was in a covops doing exploration. Guy scanned me, liked a module I had on my ship and brought in the suicide alt. Afterwards I talked to him he told me it didn't cost him anything and the possible reward was huge. He planned on dieing and was setup to cover his costs with insurance. THIS is the problem. Today, suicide ganking is a no-risk\reward proposition. There is no real risk\loss for a huge potential payoff. There isn't any other game mechanic I can think of that is balanced like this. This is equivalent to playing dollar table in Vegas with the payout of the high-rollers table. Re-tard-ed. I don't mind getting suicide ganked BUT I would like to know that the guy doing it is taking some risk other than watching the pretty-shiney-thing he is after not drop afterwards.
MiIitary Genius	Posted - 2007.12.10 19:36:00 - [52] ahhh.... bellum eternus, the same bell end (see what I did there?) who very very rarely seemed to be in Tenerifis but always seemed to be racking up the low sec kills ... always seemed to be some place where the targets generally didnt shoot back.... And now talking up ganking in high sec like its the best thing this game ever had; who woulda thunk it?
PostWithYourMain Main Corporation	Posted - 2007.12.10 19:37:00 - [53] Posting in a bragging thread
Mark Lucius The Vinlanders SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.10 19:48:00 - [54] Originally by: Bellum Eternus B) I'm no WoW noob. I'd much rather fight targets that have a fair chance of fighting back and killing me, but the days of nice even fights are long gone. I can't fly around in a HAC and try and take on a BS solo, because by the time I get half way through the fight, six of his buddies show up to help out due to lack of DPS/increased tank from CCP's game changes. People that want to play Eve solo make me sad. --- Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2007.12.11 06:29:00 - [55] Originally by: Mark Lucius Originally by: Bellum Eternus B) I'm no WoW noob. I'd much rather fight targets that have a fair chance of fighting back and killing me, but the days of nice even fights are long gone. I can't fly around in a HAC and try and take on a BS solo, because by the time I get half way through the fight, six of his buddies show up to help out due to lack of DPS/increased tank from CCP's game changes. People that want to play Eve solo make me sad. Who said I want to play Eve solo? I just miss the ability to attack a single ship, or multiple ships by myself, and stand a reasonable chance of killing them if I pilot my ship well. As it is now, you need 2-3 BS to kill one ship. Otherwise a single ship can tank your dps 120% or more, and it turns into who has the most cap charges. And to Military Dumbass: post with your main you noob. Seems to me you never amounted to much in Tenerifis regardless. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I
Postlatta Mouseanon Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.12.11 07:57:00 - [56] Originally by: Bellum Eternus A) I was inflammatory on purpose. If you consider yourself in that loser group because you've been killed, well, by definition, you're a loser, because you lost your ship and cargo. If you are not, then why do you feel insulted? B) I'm no WoW noob. I'd much rather fight targets that have a fair chance of fighting back and killing me, but the days of nice even fights are long gone. I can't fly around in a HAC and try and take on a BS solo, because by the time I get half way through the fight, six of his buddies show up to help out due to lack of DPS/increased tank from CCP's game changes. C) I've never been suicide ganked. Ever. I don't use scouts. I don't need them. Want to learn how to avoide being suicided? Go do it for a while, and it will teach you what it takes to accomplish, and there by teach you what it takes to avoid it. The most important step is using your brain. D) Anyone who flies untanked and AFK with lots of ISK in their cargo is arrogant and lazy and an idiot if they don't expect to get killed for it. I really don't think that's up for interpretation? Do you? E) The most difficult types of targets for me to enage? Targets flown by other pirates who know what they're doing and don't want to get ganked. I can always tell when a target is being flown by someone who has pirated another player. I don't know how to describe it, but it's there. F) As for the insurance thing- yeah, that would definitely remove 90% of the noob gankers, the ones who screw it up and don't know what they're doing. But for the pros it won't slow them down in the least. I think that removing insurance from the game 100% across the board would be fair, but then all the carebear losers would complain when they lost a Raven missioning and didn't get all their ISK back. Am I still being abrasive? Yes. Are you included in that 'omg, I'd cry if I didn't get insurance if I lost my Raven' group? If so, suck it up. If insurance was removed from all deaths (not just for high sec ganking) it would be fair, and I think you'd even start seeing some of the less expensive T2 ships being used to gank targets in empire if that were the case, as BS wouldn't be cheaper than a T2 ship in some cases. As a person who rarely Empire PVPs, it is always gratifying to see a Empire based PVP person whine. You do know you guys whine louder and more often than any of those supposed "Loser Carebears".. Right? Your entire game experience is about "targets".... you're not interested in storyline, 0.0 governance, trade, research, mining... whatever.... That's ok... you do drive ship prices up and from my business perspective that is a good thing. But it is kind of a waste of the EVE game experience don't you think? I mean after all if all you want is targets you could go play asteroids on Yahoo. Right? So what is it you really want? I think you just want to feel important. Because in the whole scope of the game, ganking some clueless newbs in Iterons moving their life savings in Zydrine is nothing. Suicide Empire ganking takes no skill- no matter what you say. I've played this game since early 2004. I've seen and participated in almost every trick there is in game. You are nothing. Real skill? Try running three transports 50 jumps past 7 gate camps of guys just like you. Try living in 0.0 for months without entering Empire. You couldn't handle it. And that is the glaring difference. I'll defend your right to play the game the way you see fit. However, you sad clueless nubbin, you'll never gank one of my loads. You don't have the skill and in a man-up fight... whether fleet or duel you would crumble. Because in the end, sad little pirating parasites like you use Concord to protect yourselves. Not skilled enough to fight in low sec or 0.0, you use the fact that you cannot be fired on first to make your living. How you play says a lot about how you live. Whine more. It arouses me....
umop 3pisdn Minmatar Fnck the blob.	Posted - 2007.12.11 08:11:00 - [57] Originally by: Condecinte I know you think suicide ganking is here to stay but the more you do it the sillier high sec starts to look, even if the hauler guys ARE being stupid. Keep it up and CCP WILL do something, not because they want to but because like you said yourself you're even having to compete with other high sec suiciders. Soon anything that moves on the way to Jita will get blown up and then the situation will be beyond stupid. And then we wont do our shopping in jita, we'll do it in high sec hubs on the edge of lowsec/0.0, the market splits and is made more diverse because of available loots, the risk vs reward for small traders taking, say, arbalest cruise launchers from the north to the east and south will increase.... so that prices wont be so uniform and those with the SP/isk/lives to screw the market with freighters wont do so without risk.. My god.. it actually sounds like eve is going to improve because of this... I must try this suicide ganking.
Paulo Damarr	Posted - 2007.12.11 08:13:00 - [58] Whats this thread about? how much you love suicide ganking? thats fair enough I love high pirates both suicide gankers and can flippers they keep high sec interesting and you need to keep your wits about you. @ OP if CCP do ever nerf suicide ganking can I have all the stuff you stole? --------------------------------------- Output folder: C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE Delete file: \boot.ini Extract: boot.ini... 100%
Kurogauna	Posted - 2007.12.11 08:38:00 - [59] +1 with the op Dont like baby blue ? Tell it to the devs HERE, Thanx.
Kessiaan	Posted - 2007.12.11 08:50:00 - [60] As a miner, I <3 pirates, even though their attitudes annoy me sometimes. - When they blow up random Joe's industrial that was carrying all his worldly possessions, he has to get new stuff. Which drives up demand for my minerals. - When they go and steal jetcans and generally harass miners, it weeds out miners too inept to figure out how to protect themselves (which isn't hard at all in highsec). Which drives up demand for my minerals. - When that freighter goes pop, half of all its cargo goes pop with it. Which means less stuff on the market, which drivess up prices, which means more people want to build stuff, which.. you guessed it, drives up demand for my minerals. - Pirates tend to go boom a lot. They constantly need to replace their own losses, which drives up demand for my minerals. Basically, pirates keep me employed. So yes, please keep suiciding people. ----- My in Eve Profile

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