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Murtala
Mushin Market
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Posted - 2007.12.11 14:22:00 -
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I started a topic a few days ago and it managed to not get flamed to death. Linkage
I have a dream that an alliance creates within 3 to 4 regions of 0.0 space, a thriving economic and social empire full of carebears mining and trading under there protection. A jita in 0.0
If a killmail is shown that one of carebears has broken the rules of the empire, then he is asked to compensate the victim otherwise they are set red. How it finally works can be debated later but itĘs the principle I am talking about.
The BoB attitude of "Nice region, we'll take it!" is ok, but does not consider what to do with the regions once they get it. Goons attitude of lets kill BOB is ok, but does not consider what to do afterwards if they kill BOB. The other alliances simply takes sides or try to be neutral but do not seem to have a real big goal of what they would like to achieve in EVE beyond the next war.
Many decent alliances own regions of 0.0. Why can't one, think beyond pew-pew and create or do something with the region. Maybe invite a carebear alliance to create a market in the region. The pew-pew will come to you and the carebears will help maintain your POSes.
Think about it.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.11 14:30:00 -
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Big blue did it and it worked for awhile.
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bitters much
Nekkid Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.11 14:30:00 -
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CYVOK is that you ?
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.11 14:31:00 -
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So, basically, you miss ASCN?
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Rukaz
Endgame.
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Posted - 2007.12.11 14:31:00 -
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Like ASCN?
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BuIIseye
Amarr Pax Amarria Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.11 14:32:00 -
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I had a dream, of a three some
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Murtala
Mushin Market
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Posted - 2007.12.11 14:58:00 -
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I am not CYVOK nor miss ASCN. But if they or anyone else has tried and failed, then we can learn from there mistakes. if it was easy, many would have done it.
Ultimately no alliance can conquer EVE. Nor even come close to conquering eve.
Therefore an alliance has to have a goal other than wardecing there neighbours because they will quickly run out of neighbours. So what is BoB goal or the Goons or RA or AAA or TRI or the hundreds of other alliances in EVE.
My suggestion is the obvious long term goal for any alliance wanting to use the tools CCP have provided in EVE to the max.
Goons - Real Goons - Goons Titans |
Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.11 15:08:00 -
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Im gonna conquer all of 0.0
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Malcanis
High4Life SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.11 15:16:00 -
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It's an interesting idea, but has the following fatal flaws:
(1) You need to find a large group of players with sufficient combat capability to take and hold this area of space yet who are also willing to let the carebears reap the profits.
(2) The place will be infested almost instantly with ISK-farmers.
(3) The consequent drop in the prices of 0.0 produce will earn you the emnity of every other 0.0 miner in EvE
(4) Every "pirate" alliance and corp will gleefully hunt this rich source of carebears unless the PvPers mentioned in (1) are prepared to continually and effectively protect them. These PvPers will surely want compensating for their time, and will demand that non-contributers be kicked.
In other words, within a few months at most, your "New Idea" alliance will look exactly like every other alliance in 0.0
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Jotan Veer
HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2007.12.11 15:18:00 -
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It will not work for two reasons.
1. Market: everyone and their little sister will have a market price fixing alt sitting in the region buying up everything and reselling the stuff with a nice markup.
This is viable since the expensive and time consuming nature of 0.0 logistics prohibits unlimited supply, thus someone will always have a large enough wallet to screw the whole population over.
2. PVP: cool dudes with large guns (and a cloak) will always be tempted by such a carebear paradise. One would need a prohibitively large standing army to discourage roaming gangs and cloaking griefers. However sooner or later your large standing army will start to lose members because they get bored. Doing nothing but patrolling your home region, hunting cloakers and nano gangs will drive pvp'ers away to more fun alliances and territories.
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flaming phantom
Minmatar Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2007.12.11 15:21:00 -
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there was someone a long time ago who had the same idea, a good read actually its really funny.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=370209
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Daerkannon Shimmerscale
Gallente Paxton Industries Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2007.12.11 15:24:00 -
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Sooo.... basically you mean like the CVA and Providence? --- Honest officer, the dwarf was on fire when I got here! Can't find a mechanical engineering agent? Need a non-Caldari Navy agent? http://www.eve-agents.com/ for all your agent needs! |
Angor
The JORG Corporation Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.12.11 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: Daerkannon Shimmerscale Sooo.... basically you mean like the CVA and Providence?
lol i was going to say that... well the old ISS also. _______________________________ [ 2007.06.07 21:07:22 ] FrankyWave > ransom me guys I am joining XElas !!! |
Sidrat Flush
Caldari Ore Mongers R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.12.11 15:31:00 -
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Jotan hit the biggest point on the button.
Lack of FUN. Okay, the ratters, industrialists are having a ball, but the PvP contingency will get bored unless they can roam and get named/t2 items for cost, and then of course theirs the actual consumers. Do you blue everyone and give everyone docking access? How fun will that be for the standing army, when one market privateer can sweep in and resale everything on the market for a couple hundred percent markup.
0.0 is different, depending on who controls it anyway. That is a good thing. A rich market at affordable prices is good, but better corps (because there's a major lack of alliance side mechanics) supply and produce their own items and sell what they don't need to strangers in Jita (or anywhere else for that matter, why everyone crowds that 4-4 station in that system, I don't know) anyway...
The last alliance that did either of the above got rumbled, because the care bears left in droves usually with most/all of their assets and left the combateers to defend a region that was dwindling on resources and people to defend. Oh and in the other I'm remembering they got into politics favouring both sides and one side took exception to that and brought in the dreads and sieged the pos's and took their stations.
Without PvP, industrialists would be selling pve equipment to pve'rs who are unfortunate enough to get stuck on a roid or something. In essence, the whole demand side of the equation would run down and then CCP might as well turn the servers off.
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Murtala
Mushin Market
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Posted - 2007.12.11 15:31:00 -
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Protection is not an issue as I believe MC is currently unemployed. See the film "The Magnificent Seven"
There are many mercenaries around to spearhead the defence of the region if the defending alliance cannot do it themselves. And pew-pew close to home is good especially if your industry is nearby to provide replacements. At moment it is a logistic nightmare running to jita with an alt to replace your lost ship in 0.0
But as anyone got a better suggestion of a goal for their alliance? Does anyone posting here or reading this know what they are going to do with themselves once there current campaign is over?
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Cippalippus Primus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.11 15:33:00 -
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To be honest no one flies to Jita to get a new ship every time.
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.12.11 15:36:00 -
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Edited by: Plutoinum on 11/12/2007 15:36:40
Originally by: Murtala
I have a dream that an alliance creates within 3 to 4 regions of 0.0 space, a thriving economic and social empire full of carebears mining and trading under there protection. A jita in 0.0
The problems with such dreams is that once they become true, someone appears on the scene, stomps everything into the ground, points the finger at you, says nelson-like 'Haha !' and you may just end bitter.
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The Mittani
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.11 15:50:00 -
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i thought about it and came to the conclusion that,
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munchy
Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.12.11 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Murtala
So what is BoB goal or the Goons or RA or AAA or TRI or the hundreds of other alliances in EVE.
aahhh, see, these alliances often have very strange goals... their leaders must be madmen as i hear alot of them have the goal of..... "having fun". a crazy concept i know, but it seems to be a commonly overlooked possibilty. ---
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munchy
Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.12.11 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Murtala
But as anyone got a better suggestion of a goal for their alliance? Does anyone posting here or reading this know what they are going to do with themselves once there current campaign is over?
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oh... also...
they will likely kill each other, as is the nature of the game ---
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shivan
Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.12.11 16:27:00 -
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Look at CVA. They have been doing just that for the last couple of years to very great effect. Station Ping Pong |
Laura Baretta
Minmatar Cult of the Skulls
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Posted - 2007.12.11 16:36:00 -
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There are a few problems with this idea:
First, If such an alliance existed in 0.0, it would have to offer something for all other alliances... something valuable enough to not have them destroy the alliance.
Second, If that alliance really has something like that to offer to any alliance, it will be in direct conflict with alliances that are at war with alliances that benefit from this.
Therefore, you become a target.
Third, if you created a Jita like economy in 0.0, you would become vulnerable to blackmailing. Powerful entities could simply control the market by dictating traffic and sovereignity.
Lastly, for this to work, you would have to become friends with ALL other entities in this game, wich simply doesnt work.
And aslong as you are sitting between hardened war fronts this will never happen.
So yes, this is destined to fail before it takes off.
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WraithFire
Cassandra's Light Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.12.11 17:29:00 -
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So basically, the OP wants ACSN 2.0
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Boom ChickaBoom
Caldari Friendly Pod Poppers
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Posted - 2007.12.11 17:47:00 -
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CVA has been doing this in providence for a while now. Although there market isnt the best they do not put restrictions on what people bring up there to sell and im sure they would welcome a bigger market in the area. Also im not sure about the stability up there right now because of the recent war dec from Tri. If someone has some better info on the Tri/CVA war can you start some kind of new thread to keep the rest of us updated?
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Splagada
Minmatar Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.11 18:02:00 -
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many now hardcore pvpers corp/alliances started under ISS wing, or near UK/CVA space, or in Big Blue
dunno about ASCN but i went in iss, uk and big blue space and it was pretty fun to learn the ropes of 0.0 ------
Proud Janitor of Tides of Silence
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Grimpak
Gallente Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2007.12.11 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: WraithFire So basically, the OP wants ACSN 2.0
I am xASCN, and I can tell that if it was in somewhat similar to the ASCN between the EC-P8R siege and the BoB war...
please no ---
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killerco
Gallente The Flying Dutchmen Antesignani Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.11 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Murtala I have a dream that an alliance creates within 3 to 4 regions of 0.0 space, a thriving economic and social empire full of carebears mining and trading under there protection. A jita in 0.0
you are describing ascn my friend. Which failed due too the fact that there were too many carebears who ****** it up for the rest because they didn't do a damm thing beside filling there pockets. Your dream is an illusion!
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SecondaryisPrimary
Crusador Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.11 18:20:00 -
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If you truely want to try this idea i would suggest trying to set this up in an area of low sec. You will have the same issues of security etc. as you will have in 0.0, but you will not have to worry about POS war fare, or someone kicking you out of your territory. You would just need to do this in an area that has easy access to true 0.0 (where you can possible get an agreement to allow you to mine in their space) and easy access to trade lanes.
In any case good luck with your idea.
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CARY
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.11 18:32:00 -
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Well I have pretty good insight of this game and a little of its politics.
After BOB and yes there will be an after Bob, let call it the AB= After BOB ok.
When we go AB I think there will not be any major wars for a while, there will be some corp vs corp wars and alliance vs alliance wars but no major offensives. There will be a few corps and alliances getting revenge on each other. Over all peace in our time.
But if I was to guess over time where the next major war will come I see it happening in the Fountain Regions and the Fade Regions. I also see there will possible be a big war to break out in Drone Regions which will end quicky however. Curse and the Great Wildland will alway be a no-mad place. Beyond these points who knows where the war will come and who. There might even be a sleeper in this game that is yet to come, there might even be 2 old long time enemies to merge into a super alliance...who really knows.
CARY (Specialization, Executive Commander)
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TylerJames
Damage Unlimited Inc Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.12.11 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: Angor
Originally by: Daerkannon Shimmerscale Sooo.... basically you mean like the CVA and Providence?
lol i was going to say that... well the old ISS also.
Don't forget CFS
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