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Vogue Seven. Enuma Elish.	Posted - 2007.12.11 18:46:00 - [31] Edited by: Vogue on 11/12/2007 18:47:14 Seems like anything beyond the emergent behaviour with the current game mechanics is communism. You cant have such central planning against the torrent of how the game works now. Lets say RL 100 years is 2 years of EVE time. Communism lasted 70ish years and ASCN far less ASCN had its wonderfull marketplace and then was the time it was poundland after BOB wtfpwned them. Then they flogged so much T2 for uber cheap prices it was wicked. Indeed to go against this thinking there should be an ebb and flow of region status around empire. 0.5 regions should drop to 0.4 once in a while and the other way round. Regular 0.4 empire pirate camp spots could get higher region status and other yellow, green status areas could go lower.
Mi Lai The Black Dragon Society	Posted - 2007.12.11 18:56:00 - [32] If people just want to carebear in 0.0, they can simply choose to become renters / pets or whatever you want to call it (I like the term vassals). That way the host has benefit from accepting the parasites in their body (rent, taxes, whatever) and the para... uhm, PVE'ers have the benefit of having protection. Considering how much easier it is to make ISK while PVE'ing vs PVP'ing, even with tax it will be a mutual beneficial aggreement if you can stand being called names on internet forums.
Vile rat GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.11 19:19:00 - [33] Originally by: CARY Well I have pretty good insight of this game and a little of its politics. After BOB and yes there will be an after Bob, let call it the AB= After BOB ok. When we go AB I think there will not be any major wars for a while, there will be some corp vs corp wars and alliance vs alliance wars but no major offensives. There will be a few corps and alliances getting revenge on each other. Over all peace in our time. But if I was to guess over time where the next major war will come I see it happening in the Fountain Regions and the Fade Regions. I also see there will possible be a big war to break out in Drone Regions which will end quicky however. Curse and the Great Wildland will alway be a no-mad place. Beyond these points who knows where the war will come and who. There might even be a sleeper in this game that is yet to come, there might even be 2 old long time enemies to merge into a super alliance...who really knows. CARY (Specialization, Executive Commander) Who the hell are you and why do we let you post?
Boom ChickaBoom Caldari Friendly Pod Poppers	Posted - 2007.12.11 19:36:00 - [34] Originally by: Mi Lai If people just want to carebear in 0.0, they can simply choose to become renters / pets or whatever you want to call it (I like the term vassals). That way the host has benefit from accepting the parasites in their body (rent, taxes, whatever) and the para... uhm, PVE'ers have the benefit of having protection. Considering how much easier it is to make ISK while PVE'ing vs PVP'ing, even with tax it will be a mutual beneficial aggreement if you can stand being called names on internet forums. I disagree. The OP was not talking about renting space from another alliance. He was talking about a regional NRDS where anyone who wanted to enter the area and be a carebear could. Renting space from someone else would be counter productive in trying to establish a market hub that was meant for the general public. If concord shot everyone that didnt pay them rent would jita be like it is? It seems like your just trying to flame carebears try to keep this topic on track.
Baxalusx GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.11 20:06:00 - [35] why bother --------- ~THE ARTIST FORMERLY KNOWN AS ICORION~
Laura Baretta Minmatar Cult of the Skulls	Posted - 2007.12.11 20:08:00 - [36] Originally by: Mi Lai If people just want to carebear in 0.0, they can simply choose to become renters / pets or whatever you want to call it (I like the term vassals). That way the host has benefit from accepting the parasites in their body (rent, taxes, whatever) and the para... uhm, PVE'ers have the benefit of having protection. Considering how much easier it is to make ISK while PVE'ing vs PVP'ing, even with tax it will be a mutual beneficial aggreement if you can stand being called names on internet forums. If both sides benefit from it, you can't call PVE'rs Parasites ;) They are only parasites if they don't give the PvPers something back (like manufactured war equipment). As long as they do this, i think they would best be described as symbionts.
Laura Baretta Minmatar Cult of the Skulls	Posted - 2007.12.11 20:11:00 - [37] Edited by: Laura Baretta on 11/12/2007 20:11:20 You know what actually would be cool with ambulation. To run a bar in 0.0 where everyone would be allowed to enter and hang out. Unfortunately this would only work in a NPC station atm i think, since If Station ownership changes im not sure what happens to the owners and their real estate on stations. But damn a cantina where all the bad, good and the ugly meet up would be fun :)
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.11 20:39:00 - [38] Originally by: Vile rat Originally by: CARY Well I have pretty good insight of this game and a little of its politics. After BOB and yes there will be an after Bob, let call it the AB= After BOB ok. When we go AB I think there will not be any major wars for a while, there will be some corp vs corp wars and alliance vs alliance wars but no major offensives. There will be a few corps and alliances getting revenge on each other. Over all peace in our time. But if I was to guess over time where the next major war will come I see it happening in the Fountain Regions and the Fade Regions. I also see there will possible be a big war to break out in Drone Regions which will end quicky however. Curse and the Great Wildland will alway be a no-mad place. Beyond these points who knows where the war will come and who. There might even be a sleeper in this game that is yet to come, there might even be 2 old long time enemies to merge into a super alliance...who really knows. CARY (Specialization, Executive Commander) Who the hell are you and why do we let you post? wow 'over all peace in our time' wtc
Lochmar Fiendhiem Caldari International Multi-Player Consortium Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.11 22:40:00 - [39] This is so easy guys. The op wants to get all the alliances go do a stop on pos warfare to a certain point. no station taking outside of that alliances region or area (there are massive expanses in 0.0 space where there are no stations). If pos warfare stopped, and the mad pos buildup you can create in your home region would allow the alliance to focus on ships and ships alone. Lots of pew pew from roaming gangs, and jumpbridges solve a lot of the 0.0 transportation issues (gang arrives a lot sooner, more pew pew). The basic idea is doing what most of the north has done. they seem to be enjoying it, as you dont need to defend the ratters, just go roaming and kill their ratters, find their fleets. Something similar to a ROE, or our (real world)Geneva Conventions. It is possible if everyone agrees. Originally by: Halkin bob is dead, goons are great, cheese is cheesy, there we go no need for any more threads
Swamp Ziro GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.11 22:57:00 - [40] Originally by: The Mittani Originally by: Vile rat Originally by: CARY Well I have pretty good insight of this game and a little of its politics. After BOB and yes there will be an after Bob, let call it the AB= After BOB ok. When we go AB I think there will not be any major wars for a while, there will be some corp vs corp wars and alliance vs alliance wars but no major offensives. There will be a few corps and alliances getting revenge on each other. Over all peace in our time. But if I was to guess over time where the next major war will come I see it happening in the Fountain Regions and the Fade Regions. I also see there will possible be a big war to break out in Drone Regions which will end quicky however. Curse and the Great Wildland will alway be a no-mad place. Beyond these points who knows where the war will come and who. There might even be a sleeper in this game that is yet to come, there might even be 2 old long time enemies to merge into a super alliance...who really knows. CARY (Specialization, Executive Commander) Who the hell are you and why do we let you post? wow 'over all peace in our time' wtc That alliance will be BTLS and they will reign supreme in 0-w and u69
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.12.11 23:14:00 - [41] Originally by: Lochmar Fiendhiem It is possible if everyone agrees. Point of failure identified.
Murtala Mushin Market	Posted - 2007.12.11 23:29:00 - [42] Edited by: Murtala on 11/12/2007 23:34:05 Originally by: Janu Hull Originally by: Lochmar Fiendhiem It is possible if everyone agrees. Point of failure identified. Not everyone has to agree in EvE, just your alliance. Define your borders and hold in and start carebearing. The most common argument against the idea is pew-pew, but thatÆs what we want. Let the pew-pew come to you. Build up a massive military force. Remember that he path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee. EDIT: Let other alliances continue with POS spam and maintainace many jumps from nowhere. You can decided not to continuue to do so. Goons - Real Goons - Goons Titans
Rocka Stargirl Hugs for the Hug Throne	Posted - 2007.12.11 23:30:00 - [43] Originally by: Janu Hull Originally by: Lochmar Fiendhiem It is possible if everyone agrees. Point of failure identified. well done. ---
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.12 00:05:00 - [44] Originally by: Murtala Edited by: Murtala on 11/12/2007 23:34:05 Originally by: Janu Hull Originally by: Lochmar Fiendhiem It is possible if everyone agrees. Point of failure identified. Not everyone has to agree in EvE, just your alliance. Define your borders and hold in and start carebearing. The most common argument against the idea is pew-pew, but thatÆs what we want. Let the pew-pew come to you. Build up a massive military force. Remember that he path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee. EDIT: Let other alliances continue with POS spam and maintainace many jumps from nowhere. You can decided not to continuue to do so. At which point you become a paper tiger. You look impressive in terms of member count and perhaps fleet size, but all the good pvpers and FCs have all left because all you have them do is camp your systems and guard ratters. Then an alliance much smaller than you will decide to attack you, and after a couple of engagements where their 100 man fleet wtfpwn your 300 raven fleets, your carebears will stop ganging up and within a month you will have lost your stations. Thats why this will never work.
Murtala Mushin Market	Posted - 2007.12.12 00:12:00 - [45] Edited by: Murtala on 12/12/2007 00:13:23 I mentioned somewhere that MC are currently unemployed. Get a good merc force to spearhead defence of your area. See the film, The Magnificent Seven Quote Village Boy 2: We're ashamed to live here. Our fathers are cowards. O'Reilly: Don't you ever say that again about your fathers, because they are not cowards. You think I am brave because I carry a gun; well, your fathers are much braver because they carry responsibility, for you, your brothers, your sisters, and your mothers. And this responsibility is like a big rock that weighs a ton. It bends and it twists them until finally it buries them under the ground. And there's nobody says they have to do this. They do it because they love you, and because they want to. I have never had this kind of courage. Running a farm, working like a mule every day with no guarantee anything will ever come of it. This is bravery. That's why I never even started anything like that... that's why I never will. from the film, the Magnificent Seven Goons - Real Goons - Goons Titans
Laura Baretta Minmatar Cult of the Skulls	Posted - 2007.12.12 00:17:00 - [46] Originally by: Murtala Edited by: Murtala on 12/12/2007 00:13:23 I mentioned somewhere that MC are currently unemployed. Get a good merc force to spearhead defence of your area. See the film, The Magnificent Seven Quote Village Boy 2: We're ashamed to live here. Our fathers are cowards. O'Reilly: Don't you ever say that again about your fathers, because they are not cowards. You think I am brave because I carry a gun; well, your fathers are much braver because they carry responsibility, for you, your brothers, your sisters, and your mothers. And this responsibility is like a big rock that weighs a ton. It bends and it twists them until finally it buries them under the ground. And there's nobody says they have to do this. They do it because they love you, and because they want to. I have never had this kind of courage. Running a farm, working like a mule every day with no guarantee anything will ever come of it. This is bravery. That's why I never even started anything like that... that's why I never will. from the film, the Magnificent Seven Your little empire would have to make ALOT of money to be able to afford the MC 24/7 for multiple months.
Zaphod Jones Minmatar Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.12.12 00:42:00 - [47] stuff ASCN, bring back Xetic Save EvE TV
Kaaii Caldari Kaaii-Net Research Labs	Posted - 2007.12.12 00:57:00 - [48] The only reason this will never work "It is far easier to destroy than create.................." According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there. kieron Director of Community Relations,
Murtala Mushin Market	Posted - 2007.12.12 01:02:00 - [49] Edited by: Murtala on 12/12/2007 01:10:11 Originally by: Zaphod Jones stuff ASCN, bring back Xetic maybe BoB or Goons or RA or AAA can have a go. Create something really big. NOL = New Jita --------- Goons - Real Goons - Goons Titans
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.12 01:17:00 - [50] Originally by: Murtala Edited by: Murtala on 12/12/2007 00:13:23 I mentioned somewhere that MC are currently unemployed. Get a good merc force to spearhead defence of your area. See the film, The Magnificent Seven Quote Village Boy 2: We're ashamed to live here. Our fathers are cowards. O'Reilly: Don't you ever say that again about your fathers, because they are not cowards. You think I am brave because I carry a gun; well, your fathers are much braver because they carry responsibility, for you, your brothers, your sisters, and your mothers. And this responsibility is like a big rock that weighs a ton. It bends and it twists them until finally it buries them under the ground. And there's nobody says they have to do this. They do it because they love you, and because they want to. I have never had this kind of courage. Running a farm, working like a mule every day with no guarantee anything will ever come of it. This is bravery. That's why I never even started anything like that... that's why I never will. from the film, the Magnificent Seven There is no way you'd be able to afford to hire MC everytime someone decides to attack you.
xCOUNTx GoonFleet	Posted - 2007.12.12 01:45:00 - [51] Originally by: Murtala Edited by: Murtala on 12/12/2007 01:10:11 Originally by: Zaphod Jones stuff ASCN, bring back Xetic maybe BoB or Goons or RA or AAA can have a go. Create something really big. NOL = New Jita --------- what's in it for us? The Free Trade Zone experiment tried this in a way but as it turns out there's not much to gain by bringing in empire folk. They will strip your belts, relist your market (or undercut 0.01 isk) and they'll be the first to run back to Jita when push comes to shove since they have no loyalty to your alliance. __________ Up untill I read that Goonswarm post all my 9-11 anger was directed towards Muslim terrorists. I guess I have expand the targets for my own anger.
dmosbarge1 DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.12 01:53:00 - [52] Goons did this, for a while, with the free trade zone.
Vasili Z Beasts of Burden YouWhat	Posted - 2007.12.12 03:12:00 - [53] Originally by: BuIIseye I had a dream, of a three some hahaha win ------- Everything I say represents my corporation and their views.
Rhatar Khurin Minmatar Sten Industries	Posted - 2007.12.12 03:29:00 - [54] Originally by: Laura Baretta Edited by: Laura Baretta on 11/12/2007 20:11:20 You know what actually would be cool with ambulation. To run a bar in 0.0 where everyone would be allowed to enter and hang out. Unfortunately this would only work in a NPC station atm i think, since If Station ownership changes im not sure what happens to the owners and their real estate on stations. But damn a cantina where all the bad, good and the ugly meet up would be fun :) Like Babylon 5 or Deepspace 9. Indeed it would be cool.
Lowanaera Amarr Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.12 04:27:00 - [55] CVA are the only (so far) successful example of this kind of ideology, having established Providence as NRDS and open to anyone who can follow the rules (which basically consists of "don't pewpew what isn't hostile"). However, we are a unique example, and there are a number of reasons why our case isn't applicable to 0.0 at large. First, we live in quite possibly the worst 0.0 region in Eve. Low-sec roids, 500k BS rats, not many good moons and no dyspro moons, etc. This means that none of the major powers who could steamroll the region and claim it themselves or install pets actually would, because there's nothing to gain from it. So, while everybody and their brother loves to come here in roaming gank gangs, there's not been much contention of sov since we drove U'K out and secured all of Providence under our/allied banners 7 months ago. While we remain ever vigilant and prepared with the expectation that one day someone will come for us, it does allow the region some degree of stability compared to more valuable areas. Second, we're RPers, which means we have loyalties both to the alliance and region beyond that of most alliances. We're more willing to defend the space with everything we've got, we have a more stable membership with better retention of high-SP players, and we're less likely to suffer from morale "failure cascades" when things turn ugly. Our regional allies who aren't RP entities themselves have years-old ties to the area, and so are likewise committed. Third, we're next to Empire, with four direct Empire access points as well as the nearby Catch entrance via HED. This makes it easy for neutrals to get in and out of our space, and it also enables us to fund ourselves via Empire-based production, missioning, etc rather than having to directly compete with neutrals for the poor resources in Providence. Those in deeper 0.0 regions have to pretty much rely on ratting and mining locally to sustain themselves at a membership level, and so allowing neutrals to come in and compete for those resources hurts the alliance. Fourth, we don't tout ourselves as carebears or creators of a "safe haven for all", as others have done. 0.0 is not a safe place no matter what you do, and we try to make it clear to any neutrals who come that we are not CONCORD and their safety is their own responsibility, our only promise is that we won't shoot any peaceful people for just being here. The aforementioned easy access to Providence makes it a breeding ground for hostiles. Nobody who joins CVA has any illusions about how peaceful it's going to be, Providence is the favorite hunting ground for a lot of the south, all manner of empire-based gankers, and various roaming entities (CI for example, who merged into Tri and have brought their new friends down here now). The constant combat makes us stronger and also discourages those neutral leeches who are incapable and unwilling to provide for their own security, allowing the rest to thrive. Compare that to other historical organizations who have actively encouraged out-and-out carebears to come and live in their space with a "we'll keep you safe" motto, while having little military strength of their own, and not getting enough day-to-day combat to convince PvPers to stay in the alliance, leading to a massive crushing defeat when properly tested in the slightest. A strong PvP alliance in good 0.0 space has little real incentive to open their space to outsiders, and if they choose to do so, would likely find themselves losing membership due to boredom from lack of fighting, frustration over resource competition, the headaches caused by operating NRDS (it is definitely inconvenient compared to NBSI, and game mechanics actively work against it), and general stagnation from having to babysit whiny neutral carebears with entitlement complexes. Providence is a unique exception to the rule, not a proof that the idea is universally feasible.
LUH 3471	Posted - 2007.12.12 07:10:00 - [56] posting in an epic cyvok thread
Kyrie Elaison GoonFleet	Posted - 2007.12.12 08:33:00 - [57] Why? Successful alliances mix fighting and building without overdoing either. You're essentially arguing for a welfare check, in the form of 0.0 rewards, for those unwilling or unable to take their own space. Your dream is cute, but you really need to try visiting more regions. Some areas already have thriving markets, considering the number of people around, without this type of suggestion.
Phoenix Pryde Caldari 3-I Area 42	Posted - 2007.12.12 09:54:00 - [58] Originally by: Zaphod Jones stuff ASCN, bring back Xetic \o/ TRUST sales management
Gibson Rothman HOMELESS. Band of Bums	Posted - 2007.12.12 10:11:00 - [59] Spare change? More Heads, More Silver
Vile rat GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.12 14:47:00 - [60] Why do some people seem to think that the best rewards in the game should be readily available to those who have neither the desire nor ability to ensure that availability?

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