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Ghoest 244	Posted - 2012.02.04 17:51:00 - [1] - Quote Everyone loves to talk about how EVE drives away noobs because its too hard core. Thats not why most people leave after they try it. The main reason is one that no one will admit. EVES GAME PLAY IS HORRIBLE. EVE has many great things. The intensity of risking your ship, the economy, the vast scale, the complexity, the politics and resources, and the wars. All awesome stuff. But the actual game play sucks. 1 You fight by clicking on targets then turning on and off you modules. 2 90% of combat is related to attacking people as they come through gates. Most people who try EVE realize the details of the combat and leave because its lame - not because its so hardcore. Sitting by a gate(or more likey for a noob, coming through the gate), followed a 30 second battle that is usually just a short pre-planed cycle of modules - the actual game play is boring. Wherever You Went - Here You Are
Honnete Du Decimer 27	Posted - 2012.02.04 17:56:00 - [2] - Quote Ghoest wrote: 2) 90 percent of combat is related to attacking people as they come through gates. ... is boring. This but more advance. I am talk many newbie and try help. Rush Tier 3, rush battleship, buy expensive thing and more - then lose and cry. They think EVE is "gear" grind only. They have other frustrate. I am happy for say - Darwin works with EVE. PMS
baltec1 539	Posted - 2012.02.04 17:56:00 - [3] - Quote Your way of pvp is the best way to get yourself killed and 90% of bitching about eve is about it being too complaex and the fact you can lose stuff. I disagree with everything you just put down.
Steve Celeste Wolfsbrigade 17	Posted - 2012.02.04 17:58:00 - [4] - Quote It's not the game's fault that you get bored with gatecamping. Maybe you should grow some balls and actually move around for a change.
Solstice Project I'm So Meta Even This Acronym 1335	Posted - 2012.02.04 17:58:00 - [5] - Quote I was just in a (edit: small) fleet with some guys and ... ... i can't confirm what you're saying. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet 1780	Posted - 2012.02.04 18:25:00 - [6] - Quote The thing is that's not what people who leave/play other MMOs complain about when they talk about EVE. I'm not saying CCP couldn't improve things on those fronts, but they aren't the major obstacles. You're also intentionally misrepresenting the gameplay to make your point. Most MMOs are about targeting someone and pushing a button to fire off your ability or macro. In some cases they have autoface for ranged classes without the EVE mechanics, so it literally can be choose target and push button to play that class. The thing is that view isn't the entire reality of how things work in EVE or in other games. If you only do that, you'll end up dead in almost every engagement and it only highlights your lack of skill as a player. The thing you're really complaining about is that once you've chosen your ship and fit, you have limited options available in the actual combat. You know beforehand how you must fly against various targets and when you can't win. Outside overheating your modules there is little you can do to change how the fight will go assuming both players know what they are doing. I think it's reasonable to ask additonal mechanics to be implemented to spice up the combat and bring new options to the fight and the proper use of them can influence how the fight will go. The gate issue, ignoring the hyperbole again, is somewhat pointing out the obvious fact, that most of the fighting happens around choke points. I do think the game would be better by making gates harder areas to camp and creating additional paths between areas. So I don't think fighting around gates is an issue, but the tunnel nature of the gate system in some areas is an issue. When you have the choice of going through the obvious permacamped gate or take the side path that goes around large parts of the EVE universe, I think it's safe to say things could be designed in a way that is more friendly to gate travel. So while I think you've got legitimate complaints buried under your hyperbole, they aren't significant things keeping players away. Something to improve upon sure, but there isn't going to be a rush of players to EVE, if CCP announced new active combat abilities or a new travel system. Considering the activities of most new players actually do, revamping mining and making missioning more interesting and challenging would propably be better at retaining players.
Alpheias Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard 445	Posted - 2012.02.04 18:28:00 - [7] - Quote Perhaps Ghoest want a game in which his hand is held, being guided around in a theme park, stopping by all the fish ponds where he can hope to catches the biggest candy bag? Plenty of them out there. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more
Valei Khurelem 257	Posted - 2012.02.04 18:39:00 - [8] - Quote Steve Celeste wrote: It's not the game's fault that you get bored with gatecamping. Maybe you should grow some balls and actually move around for a change. Make it so Smartbombs can be easily produced or you have something that can break warp disruption easily and you'll fix that issue with no problem, the only people who complain about these ideas are those who want to keep things the same. "don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium
KrakizBad Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension 332	Posted - 2012.02.04 18:41:00 - [9] - Quote Valei Khurelem wrote: Steve Celeste wrote: It's not the game's fault that you get bored with gatecamping. Maybe you should grow some balls and actually move around for a change. Make it so Smartbombs can be easily produced or you have something that can break warp disruption easily and you'll fix that issue with no problem, the only people who complain about these ideas are those who want to keep things the same. Smartbombs are trivially easily produced so . And good luck holding down nullified t3's. http://i.imgur.com/cOmMP.gif
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 2778	Posted - 2012.02.04 18:58:00 - [10] - Quote If you want people to take you and what you say seriously, at least have the common decency to spell 'emperor' correctly. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki

Ghoest 247	Posted - 2012.02.04 20:07:00 - [11] - Quote Alpheias wrote: Perhaps Ghoest want a game in which his hand is held, being guided around in a theme park, stopping by all the fish ponds where he can hope to catches the biggest candy bag? Plenty of them out there. Are you unable to read or do you just choose not to? Wherever You Went - Here You Are
Alpheias Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard 445	Posted - 2012.02.04 20:40:00 - [12] - Quote Ghoest wrote: Alpheias wrote: Perhaps Ghoest want a game in which his hand is held, being guided around in a theme park, stopping by all the fish ponds where he can hope to catches the biggest candy bag? Plenty of them out there. Are you unable to read or do you just choose not to? Oh? Was I supposed to read anything else than the asinine spluttering of words from someone like you that can't even make a coherent argument? Quoted for comedy: Ghoest wrote: 1 As with all elections - the electorate votes with their own interests in mind. 2 From a players perspective their is no logical difference between interests with with respect to how the game works and interests with with respect to inter-player advantage. In a large multi-server game the tendency towards advocating with an eye towards selfish advantage would be neutralized largely and input common to all servers would be recognized as legitimate. Where as in EVE nearly all players on the council have a vested interest with in every issue in a manner particular to EVEs in hgame political balance. Did it make any sense for CCP to solicit CSM input on changes to the Drone regions - NO. Does it make any sense to solicit CSM input on re-balancing moon goo - NO. Does it make any sense to solicit CSM input on changes to super caps - NO. All these issues(which do need to be addressed by CCP ) have large ramifications on the in game political balance. THe CSM is basically a tool for in game polotical units to lobby CCP on issues that will help or hurt their alliances. The CSM should not exist in a game like EVE. Its just another meta level of alliance warfare. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more
Lady Spank Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED 1439	Posted - 2012.02.04 20:45:00 - [13] - Quote Thats what eve is like if you are a scrub. Put more effort in and you will be rewarded. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â)
Ghoest 247	Posted - 2012.02.04 22:07:00 - [14] - Quote Alpheias wrote: Ghoest wrote: Alpheias wrote: Perhaps Ghoest want a game in which his hand is held, being guided around in a theme park, stopping by all the fish ponds where he can hope to catches the biggest candy bag? Plenty of them out there. Are you unable to read or do you just choose not to? Oh? Was I supposed to read anything else than the asinine spluttering of words from someone like you that can't even make a coherent argument? Quoted for comedy: Ghoest wrote: 1 As with all elections - the electorate votes with their own interests in mind. 2 From a players perspective their is no logical difference between interests with with respect to how the game works and interests with with respect to inter-player advantage. In a large multi-server game the tendency towards advocating with an eye towards selfish advantage would be neutralized largely and input common to all servers would be recognized as legitimate. Where as in EVE nearly all players on the council have a vested interest with in every issue in a manner particular to EVEs in hgame political balance. Did it make any sense for CCP to solicit CSM input on changes to the Drone regions - NO. Does it make any sense to solicit CSM input on re-balancing moon goo - NO. Does it make any sense to solicit CSM input on changes to super caps - NO. All these issues(which do need to be addressed by CCP ) have large ramifications on the in game political balance. THe CSM is basically a tool for in game polotical units to lobby CCP on issues that will help or hurt their alliances. The CSM should not exist in a game like EVE. Its just another meta level of alliance warfare. Are simply intent on proving that you didnt or couldnt read the post you responded too? Yes. Yes you are. Wherever You Went - Here You Are
Ghoest 247	Posted - 2012.02.04 22:08:00 - [15] - Quote Lady Spank wrote: Thats what eve is like if you are a scrub. Put more effort in and you will be rewarded. Umm what does my post have to do with the effort I put in? My post is about people trying the game then leaving quickly. Wherever You Went - Here You Are
Alpheias Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard 445	Posted - 2012.02.04 22:11:00 - [16] - Quote Ghoest wrote: Alpheias wrote: Ghoest wrote: Alpheias wrote: Perhaps Ghoest want a game in which his hand is held, being guided around in a theme park, stopping by all the fish ponds where he can hope to catches the biggest candy bag? Plenty of them out there. Are you unable to read or do you just choose not to? Oh? Was I supposed to read anything else than the asinine spluttering of words from someone like you that can't even make a coherent argument? Quoted for comedy: Ghoest wrote: 1 As with all elections - the electorate votes with their own interests in mind. 2 From a players perspective their is no logical difference between interests with with respect to how the game works and interests with with respect to inter-player advantage. In a large multi-server game the tendency towards advocating with an eye towards selfish advantage would be neutralized largely and input common to all servers would be recognized as legitimate. Where as in EVE nearly all players on the council have a vested interest with in every issue in a manner particular to EVEs in hgame political balance. Did it make any sense for CCP to solicit CSM input on changes to the Drone regions - NO. Does it make any sense to solicit CSM input on re-balancing moon goo - NO. Does it make any sense to solicit CSM input on changes to super caps - NO. All these issues(which do need to be addressed by CCP ) have large ramifications on the in game political balance. THe CSM is basically a tool for in game polotical units to lobby CCP on issues that will help or hurt their alliances. The CSM should not exist in a game like EVE. Its just another meta level of alliance warfare. Are simply intent on proving that you didnt or couldnt read the post you responded too? Yes. Yes you are. Again, you struggle with the coherency. Perhaps you should read before you press 'post'? I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more
The Apostle The Black Knights of Destiny 27	Posted - 2012.02.04 22:46:00 - [17] - Quote Ghoest wrote: Most people who try EVE realize the details of the combat and leave because its lame - not because its so hardcore. Sitting by a gate(or more likey for a noob, coming through the gate), followed a 30 second battle that is usually just a short pre-planed cycle of modules - the actual game play is boring. I've likened Eve fleet combat to teaching a class of oldies how to use the internets. Teacher> Click your mouse on the little square while holding the Ctrl-key. Teacher> Now take your cursor to the bottom of the screen and click the little circle, that's it, the one with the picture on it. Teacher> Very good. Now click another little square and repeat the process. Student> That little square dissappeared - where did it go? Teacher> So click a different square. The one flashing. Student> I don't understand Teacher> Click the ***** SQUARE YOU *** MORON STUPID DUMB ! Nullsec democracy is an oxymoron. Bloc voting for-áalliance candidates is Democracy for Morons 101. Let them perish in their self-interest. Bring back Eve. OUR Eve.**
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 305	Posted - 2012.02.04 22:55:00 - [18] - Quote It's not that...it's just even after you are SKILLED UP, people invade Missions...pop you when trying to do Industry so you can build ships...and just "CHILDREN" (even though they are all over 35 years old) want to pWN SOMEthing...I'm not sure what.... It all becomes pointless unless you cave into yourself and let the chaos blow over...something new introductory players are NOT even going to give a second chance. THIS GAME KILLS ITSELF. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 305	Posted - 2012.02.04 22:56:00 - [19] - Quote Lady Spank wrote: Thats what eve is like if you are a scrub. Put more effort in and you will be rewarded. Very true...but then an a$$ Noob 2 weeks old starts stealing your mission by invading it and F--ing it up in HUGE ways. It's sad. Had to spend an hour of my LIFE and Game Time fitting a new Gank-boat to pop that a$$ next time I see him. The TWERP. Waste of time and not really worth it. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 305	Posted - 2012.02.04 23:02:00 - [20] - Quote Ghoest wrote: EVES GAME PLAY IS HORRIBLE. BUT...the mechanic behind it is BRILLIANT. I will stand behind that despite all. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"

Ai Shun 246	Posted - 2012.02.04 23:17:00 - [21] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: THIS GAME KILLS ITSELF. Except for those that embrace the concept. Remember, this is a boutique MMO. It is not meant to be mainstream and it will never aspire to be that. This game has a specific focus and will attract a specific type of gamer. The faster a player trying the game out learns what EVE is like, the better for them and for the EVE community as a whole.
Corina Jarr Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built 563	Posted - 2012.02.05 01:16:00 - [22] - Quote OP... 1) almost every game that isn't an FPS is the same way if you break it down to its simplest form. 2) that is the nature of people... though for the record I've only once been attacked on gates and many times everywhere else. So for me, only about 2% of combat has occurred on gates.
Nex apparatu5 Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 162	Posted - 2012.02.05 01:49:00 - [23] - Quote Eve is a terrible game. It's the stuff you can do despite the gameplay, not the gameplay, that makes Eve awesome.
Paeniteo D.I.R.T 0	Posted - 2012.02.05 02:05:00 - [24] - Quote We've created our own savage little island and we are its cannibal inhabitants. We relish the drama, escalate the wars and drink down the tears. Our self destructive nature is precisely what keeps EVE alive. It is the only thing that is truly exciting about New Eden. The idea that this needs to be changed because it pushes a lot of people away is MMO suicide.
Humidor Cigarillo 0	Posted - 2012.02.05 02:34:00 - [25] - Quote IDGI. You're asserting that gameplay is bad because it involves mouse clicks and relatively few hotkeys? Remind me again of the wildly successful mmo where that wasn't the case. I'll wait. In case this is just a veiled whine about being forced to camp gates or people camping said gates, you can always go to nullsec like a big boy and anchor some not-on-gate-pvp-inducing bubbles or proactively scan for your targets anywhere you want. Sounds to me like you thirst for twitch gameplay that rewards reaction time and having loads of key binds. Might I recommend some FPS titles to you?
Umega Solis Mensa 99	Posted - 2012.02.05 03:29:00 - [26] - Quote Got to love how people speak for a sigment of society, using their own personal experinces as justification in being aloud to claim a 'majority of :insert stereotype here:' and speak for others without permission.. I can do it too I suppose.. The majority of EVE posters don't like it when Ghoest makes yet another attempt at trying to be controversial on a subject that's already got threads of its own, and the majority of EVE readers wishes he was banned from being aloud to create anymore threads on the forums so that we are not subjected to his meager attempts at being witty. Oh and in Ghoest form.. I'm right cause I wrote it down and said so. Na-na Na-na Boo-boo And before you try, Ghoest.. :Insert one sentence reply that has no substance other than the belief I can read minds and dictate people's intentions with my jedi mind trick response: Beat ya too it!
ASadOldGit School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 119	Posted - 2012.02.05 04:03:00 - [27] - Quote The Apostle wrote: I've likened Eve fleet combat to teaching a class of oldies how to use the internets. Teacher> Click your mouse on the little square while holding the Ctrl-key. Teacher> Now take your cursor to the bottom of the screen and click the little circle, that's it, the one with the picture on it. Teacher> Very good. Now click another little square and repeat the process. Student> That little square dissappeared - where did it go? Teacher> So click a different square. The one flashing. Student> I don't understand Teacher> Click the ***** SQUARE YOU *** MORON STUPID DUMB **! So, did you pass your internet class? My container is NOT imploding! It's just a bit upset that it only sees cheap crap.
Amon Tyr Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 14	Posted - 2012.02.05 04:32:00 - [28] - Quote I do wish Eve had more engaging combat mechanics, or at least the option for being able to manually cruise your ship and shoot stuff FPS style.
Ghoest 251	Posted - 2012.02.05 13:05:00 - [29] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Ghoest wrote: EVES GAME PLAY IS HORRIBLE. BUT...the mechanic behind it is BRILLIANT. I will stand behind that despite all. If you are referring to the sandbox and loss elements then yes I agree. Nex apparatu5 wrote: It's the stuff you can do despite the gameplay, not the gameplay, that makes Eve awesome. I think I would change that from "awesome" to "the best game available." Wherever You Went - Here You Are

CCP Nullarbor C C P C C P Alliance 297	Posted - 2012.02.05 13:43:00 - [30] - Quote Actually EVEs Naked Emperor http://gd.klaki.net/0aa3f4446edc1d98ef6caf50ff12719a/DSCN0205.jpg (sorry, good discussion here, please continue) CCP Nullarbor \| Exotic Dancer




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