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Mystic5hadow
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.06 19:58:00 -
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Aphoxema G wrote:Mystic5hadow wrote:In case you haven't noticed, Akita T lives on the forums and doesn't actually play EVE. She's just here because she's posted so damn much people started to recognize her, plus CCP acknowledged her Paper Cuts thread, so she's clearly special and right about everything in regards to EVE, so the people of the forums love her :D
She's definitely not a troll, or someone who feels the need to ***** and complain or to comment on ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING. EVER.
Plus, she knows what's popular on the forums.. Bashing and hating on CCP and the game we all pay to play, why would she ever post something positive? It's not like I think she's stupid and can't make good points, something's just gotta give and it's not like CCPs doing the new forums on accident. The Thousand Papercuts is an excellent idea and streamlines what the Features and Ideas forum couldn't accomplish. It's not calling on people to murder someone, but what is she really saying when she says "Here's hoping somebody crashes them hard. Again."? She is both demanding progress and failure. How in any way can that possibly be reasonable? Fix my car, oh wait, you didn't do it the way I wanted so I hope someone drives it off a cliff. No, she isn't stupid and I agree, Thousand Papercuts was a great thing, as it was used to give us various fixes we all wanted. Plus, she still does have valid points from time to time. But I can't help but feel like the success of that thread has made her feel entitled and that her opinion is always the right one and like she needs to comment in practically every thread nowadays to maintain her popularity or something. In the case of this thread, her post just seems ridiculous, "OH I DON'T LIKE SOMETHING SO IT SHOULD FAIL"? Ridiculous. I'm sure in a few months time, everybody will have forgotten about the old forums and I'm also sure CCP will at some point try to implement some of the changes people want to these forums.
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Joe Skellington
Matari Legion Holding Matari Legion
10
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Posted - 2011.09.06 19:59:00 -
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Skippermonkey wrote:My first instinct was to post ponies.....
but then i realised, this is EVE Gate
LOL, you could do it in ascii, but even that would look like ****. -á-á |\_/|-á -á/ @ @ \ -á-á -á( > -¦ < )-á -á`-+-+x-½-½-¦ -á-á / O \ |
Kaede Kimura
Epsilon Inc STORM.
1
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Posted - 2011.09.06 20:01:00 -
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I want a thumbs down button, then we'll see if the forums are REALLY as bad as you stick-in-mud think. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
312
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Posted - 2011.09.06 20:02:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Aphoxema G wrote:I really, really hate the old forums. They were awful and seemed like nothing more than a featureless, naked version of phpBB. GǪand the new ones are (not just Gǣseem likeGǥ) a featureless, naked, stripped-down version of yaf.net This bears repeating - the forums they ALLEGEDLY spent SO MANY MANHOURS "developing" is basically an already existing forum software that's been mutilated then hammer-wedged in with its round slot into the square opening of EVE-Gate. And practically next to none of the complaints from half a year ago have been addressed. These forums are akin to something a CS major student would throw together for his thesis project at nearly the last minute after a heavy-duty procrastination session.
Mystic5hadow wrote:I'm also sure CCP will at some point try to implement some of the changes people want to these forums. The section above applies perfectly. If CCP successfully launches this junk (as in, they're not forced to revert), fully expect this to be how it actually ends up being 5 years down the road too. Some of the changes should have already been trivial to implement, yet... oh, look, they weren't. And of course people will eventually stop complaining. If you force-fed people mashed earthworm sandwiches long enough, they'll end up complaining when you switch back to hamburgers. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection |
Mystic5hadow
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.06 20:03:00 -
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Akita T wrote:Mystic5hadow wrote: my biggest annoyance was having to log in every time I wanted to post or see an image or something, and that's gone now. So I'm happy. Oh, yeah, that's TOTALLY gone now. Try posting an image. Here, I'll wait. ... Right, I should clarify, I'd rather images in posts be links anyways. So I'm fine with that being gone, though it would be nice to still be able to post small images, especially in signatures.
I'll admit, the lack of images is pretty stupid on CCP's part. |
Aphoxema G
PONIES EVERWHERE Screaming Meercats
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Posted - 2011.09.06 20:04:00 -
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Akita T wrote:Aphoxema G wrote:It's not calling on people to murder someone, but what is she really saying when she says "Here's hoping somebody crashes them hard. Again."? She is both demanding progress and failure. How in any way can that possibly be reasonable? Fix my car, oh wait, you didn't do it the way I wanted so I hope someone drives it off a cliff. More like, you had a car that was pretty junky, but it worked just fine in driving you from point A to point B, ...then somebody gives you a newer, shinier car that you hate driving (for a variety of reasons, some perfectly justified, some just personal preference) ...AND tells you that you will no longer be allowed to drive the old car (even if it's right there in the garage and in working order) ...while not listening to you saying why you hate the new car, nor allowing you to replace it with a different model that would annoy you less. Wouldn't you say "screw it, I hope somebody totals this new car in the parking lot, so I can either get the model I want with the insurance payout, or at least be allowed to use my trusty old car for a good while longer".
Your analogy is much better than mine and does get to the point, and I know the squeaky wheel gets the grease... It just seems you're more concerned on having something to say. You're a pioneer, you say what needs to get said, but you're harming your own integrity as a speaker by your excessive complaints.
I want you to keep doing what you do; I want you to put problems into words and offer solutions with them. What I don't think will support you is dismissing the hard work CCP has already passionately put into everything and using every opportunity to blame them for being incompetent and untalented.
What do you think someone thinks about themselves when they are called terrible things? Can you not see that by your attitude, demands and language that you create a problem that doesn't have to be there?
Wouldn't you like to be my little PWNEE? |
Jita Alt666
159
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Posted - 2011.09.06 20:06:00 -
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Can some one explain to me the intended difference between the compact view and regular view? Both have 4 inches of empty space each side of the screen |
Mystic5hadow
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
9
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Posted - 2011.09.06 20:08:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:Can some one explain to me the intended difference between the compact view and regular view? Both have 4 inches of empty space each side of the screen Smaller avatar images on the left, that's about it from what I can tell. Oh, and it hides the character details (race, corp, alliance, etc.) |
Chiana Moro
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.09.06 20:11:00 -
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Akita T wrote:Chiana Moro wrote:Assaj Ventress wrote:Yalezorn wrote:Nothing like 3 inches of useless space on both sides of the screen. I just Ctrl++ the entire thing Or CTRL+scroll wheel, but for some whiners this obviously is extremely difficult. That's not wider, that's LARGER. It's just a fancy way of zooming in. You can see even LESS text on screen that way. So thanks for a "suggested solution" that completely defeats the purpose of what was asked.
There's so much whining it's hard keeping everything seperated. Well, yes it's larger, someone whined about the fonts being too small. And while it magnifies the text it also fills it up horisontally. Granted it's not address the border margins.
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Discrodia
Symbiosis International Moose Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.09.06 20:11:00 -
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New forums are terribad, as I predicted.
Also WTB image sigs back. [pony] Humerous anti-CCP sig [/pony] |
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Jita Alt666
159
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Posted - 2011.09.06 20:11:00 -
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So for all the users still using 600x800 resolutions it might be useful? |
Sellendis
The Ares project
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Posted - 2011.09.06 20:12:00 -
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As it was already said, after a 6 months wait for the "forum-fail" we get new forums, that are identical to old "fail" they introduced once already, and we still have same problems. Images? Screw that. Screw that 6 months ago, and screw that now. That is considered progress? Design part aside, and point they spent 72.000 man hours re-skinning a forum, they forget one simple thing, make it efficient without functionality sacrifice.
They remove session change timer and introduce a whole new universe of bugs and problems (not limited only to latest content update) They add CQ that does absolutely nothing old hangar view didn't do even better. We have our own char now, brilliant. Hangar view before used ~20% CPU , and a small room with 4 rusty walls and 1 char uses 100% cpu. And WiS? Imagine hundred chars like yours in high polygon count in bars or corridors. Did CCP even think of that? Do they care that more and more people are having problems playing the game they pay for?
In a game of internet spaceships, they "try" to fix stuff that isn't broken and complicate it in the process. While spaceships aren't important at all and they get postponed in a game about internet spaceships. Makes sense only to CCP i guess. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
312
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Posted - 2011.09.06 20:14:00 -
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Aphoxema G wrote:What I don't think will support you is dismissing the hard work CCP has already passionately put into everything and using every opportunity to blame them for being incompetent and untalented. They took this : http://yetanotherforum.net/ They stripped it down. Badly. They added EVE-Gate interconnection. They added some nearly-pointless fluff. So... WHAT hard work ?
I give credit where and when credit is due. These forums have next to none of that justifiable. Just because they do some of the stuff right and they are passionate about what they do doesn't mean I should cut them any slack when they drop the ball THIS badly in THIS particular matter. Especially since the web design team (responsible for these forums, among other things) has NEARLY NOTHING in common with the teams that do the stuff that's actually worthy of praise. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection |
Aphoxema G
PONIES EVERWHERE Screaming Meercats
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Posted - 2011.09.06 20:18:00 -
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Discrodia wrote:New forums are terribad, as I predicted.
Also WTB image sigs back.
I predict CCP is going to add a new feature they labor for months to develop and when they deploy it there'll be hundreds of people acting like it is the end to all they know and forget about what they were saying months later.
Wouldn't you like to be my little PWNEE? |
Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.09.06 20:21:00 -
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Mystic5hadow wrote: Right, I should clarify, I'd rather images in posts be links anyways. So I'm fine with that being gone, though it would be nice to still be able to post small images, especially in signatures.
I'll admit, the lack of images is pretty stupid on CCP's part.
People defending an inferior product arguing against options and choice that the previous product already had always boggled my mind. Seems to me they are either ret-¦rded or shilling for the offending dev team.
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Aphoxema G
PONIES EVERWHERE Screaming Meercats
30
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Posted - 2011.09.06 20:39:00 -
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Akita T wrote:Especially since the web design team (responsible for these forums, among other things) has NEARLY NOTHING in common with the teams that do the stuff that's actually worthy of praise.
So when you're just plain mad it's "CCP", but only after I need to goad you on it you'll be specific?
No, that doesn't matter. What does matter is that you'll find the need to discuss failure and ignore success and as a figure like yourself, growing in popularity and maybe some authority, you need to be more responsible with your words and take the influence you have more seriously. That is, if you want to keep that influence and not be eventually seen as some curmudgeonly pundit whose entire visibility depends on being dissatisfied. Always dissatisfied.
You'll never let them impress you when you keep moving the goal posts.
Wouldn't you like to be my little PWNEE? |
Jita Alt666
159
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Posted - 2011.09.06 20:42:00 -
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Thankyou Grey Stormshadow for improving the forums more in 12 hours than CCP could in 6 months.
yes seriously thank you |
Jita Alt666
159
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Posted - 2011.09.06 20:47:00 -
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Aphoxema G wrote:
So when you're just plain mad it's "CCP", but only after I need to goad you on it you'll be specific?
No, that doesn't matter. What does matter is that you'll find the need to discuss failure and ignore success and as a figure like yourself, growing in popularity and maybe some authority, you need to be more responsible with your words and take the influence you have more seriously. That is, if you want to keep that influence and not be eventually seen as some curmudgeonly pundit whose entire visibility depends on being dissatisfied. Always dissatisfied.
You'll never let them impress you when you keep moving the goal posts.
Wow Akita starts a thread expressing dissatisfaction with the status of the forums and does so in a reasonably informed and logical manner.
Your response is claim that Akita is merely a doomsayer. Actually not merely a doomsayer a "curmudgeonly pundit". Way to argue the person and not the position.
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Umad Bro Questionmark
modro ROMANIAN-LEGION
20
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Posted - 2011.09.06 20:54:00 -
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And another clever distraction from the real problems.
Hybrid turrets need fix.... uuu... shiny forums that feel like Facebook! I can haz friends now! Wait... why was I mad?... Oh well. -á(\ /) -á(-¦ .-¦) -á-áGÖÑ-á-á-á +å+Ñn++ n+ëGêÜ+Ñn¦Ä +¦ c(GÇ¥)(GÇ¥) Crack bunny - will Like for drugs (because its e-peen is already big enough). |
Hoshi
Hedron Industries Red Dwarf Racketeering Division
0
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Posted - 2011.09.06 21:03:00 -
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The only problem I have is the tooltips with the thread preview. On a pc they are just highly irritating but on a cellphone they make browsing the forums almost impossible. Pretty please with sugar ontop give us an option to turn the off, before I go crazy... "Memories are meant to fade. They're designed that way for a reason." |
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Keil Sonter
Allied Pilots Corporation TROJAN.
11
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Posted - 2011.09.06 21:05:00 -
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Tabatha Ravenclaw wrote:CopyCatz wrote:Where's the dislike button? I want to try it on your post. The "hide posts" button is sooo much more useful
The 'hide' button is a great idea
Akita you'll be proud to hear you're my first ..
Just a pity I can't hide the entire depressing post and all the others you and your ilk make.
regards, Keil Sonter Website Hosting Services - Www.EVE-Corporation.co.uk SubDomain Hosting Services - Www.EVE-Domain.com |
Lens Thirring
5
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Posted - 2011.09.06 21:08:00 -
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Not sure if this is the place to collect complaints, but another thread has noticed that you can't follow external links from the in-game browser. Nothing spells 'fail' better than not supporting your own browser.
Of course, it's easy to see how the devs could miss that. After all, starting up the in-game browser requires logging into the game, and all that annoying confusing space s**t getting in the way of what you really want to do, which of course is social networking. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.09.06 22:22:00 -
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Lens Thirring wrote:Not sure if this is the place to collect complaints, but another thread has noticed that you can't follow external links from the in-game browser. Nothing spells 'fail' better than not supporting your own browser. Of course, it's easy to see how the devs could miss that. After all, starting up the in-game browser requires logging into the game, and all that annoying confusing space s**t getting in the way of what you really want to do, which of course is social networking. It's an issue that has been known sinceGǪ oh, I don't know, when they first tested the new forumsGǪ in February(?)
It's the standard problem for this forum: they've needlessly and pointlessly attached javascript to alter the basic functionality of the browser, and in the process breaks that functionality unless the browser lets you turn javascript off or filter out the offending file (either of which will break a number of other forum features such as searchGǪ). GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
99
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Posted - 2011.09.06 22:23:00 -
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Jada Maroo wrote:Self important poster whining over lost post count. Yawn.
Fly Safe, Die Hard |
Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
49
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Posted - 2011.09.06 22:36:00 -
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Lens Thirring wrote:Not sure if this is the place to collect complaints, but another thread has noticed that you can't follow external links from the in-game browser. Nothing spells 'fail' better than not supporting your own browser. They would have had to log in to the game to test it. I don't think anybody at CCP logs in anymore.
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Lost Hamster
Hamster Holding Corp
14
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Posted - 2011.09.06 22:38:00 -
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Quoted for truth. |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
23
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Posted - 2011.09.06 23:10:00 -
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QFT indeed |
Magnus Orin
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
19
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Posted - 2011.09.06 23:14:00 -
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I have rarely have seen a bad Akita T thread or even post. Sadly this is one.
Did you really just assume that the majority of users don't like the new forums simply because you don't like them for some random technical reasons?
They are shiny and they work. That's all that's really needed. |
Nin Kimrov
Kenzi Arms and Munitions
20
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Posted - 2011.09.06 23:21:00 -
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Magnus Orin wrote:I have rarely have seen a bad Akita T thread or even post. Sadly this is one.
Did you really just assume that the majority of users don't like the new forums simply because you don't like them for some random technical reasons?
They are shiny and they work. That's all that's really needed.
They are certainly not shiny and it is still has not been proven that the forum work correctly. I give it about a week before another security fail including javascript come around. |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
23
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Posted - 2011.09.06 23:23:00 -
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Magnus Orin wrote:I have rarely have seen a bad Akita T thread or even post. Sadly this is one.
Did you really just assume that the majority of users don't like the new forums simply because you don't like them for some random technical reasons?
They are shiny and they work. That's all that's really needed.
A toyota Prius is 'shiney' and 'works' doesnt mean i want it forced on me when the old car did a better job.
Anyway dood, tow the party line, remember the goons are all mad a CCP rite? |
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