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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.09.06 16:09:00 -
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Obviously, not one soul at CCP with some halfway serious pull has been taking any of the constructive (and neither some of the less constructive) criticism to heart, so in spite of the many, many, MANY complaints made towards the form and function of the new forums (or new new forums, or new patched new forums, or whatever you want to call them), since they're pretty much identical (maybe without some of the more glaring security holes) to what we used to have.
The legibility of the forums has been made worse for a large number of people (granted, there's a small section of the population that doesn't really mind, and an even smaller one that even likes it). Mobile devices are still universally SOL though. There is still no way to make the forums wider, I suppose a forum setting for width would have been oh so much to ask for, just like, oh, maybe allowing us to select a default avatar size. The entire forum user-end is still heavily reliant on cobbled together javascript, that's so last millennium of you guys. I could list the many other more or less obvious shortcomings and failures, but honestly, I just give up.
Here's hoping somebody crashes them hard. Again. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection |
CopyCatz
Brewery Research Ltd Ethereal Dawn
33
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Posted - 2011.09.06 16:13:00 -
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Where's the dislike button? I want to try it on your post. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
121
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Posted - 2011.09.06 16:14:00 -
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GǪmaybe I should copy the list I made for the papercuts thread just to make sure it's not GÇ£accidentallyGÇÖ lost GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
312
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Posted - 2011.09.06 16:15:00 -
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CopyCatz wrote:Where's the dislike button? I want to try it on your post. You can not haz dislike buttan.
Tippia wrote:GǪmaybe I should copy the list I made for the papercuts thread just to make sure it's not GÇ£accidentallyGÇÖ lost Please do. I think you had an even longer one somewhere else, but I think that one was *cough* "lost". http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection |
King Aires
Kwame's Executive Protection Detail
2
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Posted - 2011.09.06 16:15:00 -
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Boooooooo
WTF!!!! Where's the Forums! |
Vardec Crom
Skyforger Tactical Narcotics Team
0
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Posted - 2011.09.06 16:16:00 -
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CopyCatz wrote:Where's the dislike button? I want to try it on your post.
Your mother's a *****
EDIT: testing the profanity filter |
King Aires
Kwame's Executive Protection Detail
2
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Posted - 2011.09.06 16:18:00 -
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These forums are poop
Edit: Oh good, we can still talk like 10 year olds so all the Dust players and new EVE subs that we get from now on can talk on the forums. |
Tichu Tilyon
Ordo Drakonis Nulli Tertius
3
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Posted - 2011.09.06 16:19:00 -
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Great no wide screen mode, what a waste of space... |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
23
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Posted - 2011.09.06 16:22:00 -
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My first instinct was to post ponies.....
but then i realised, this is EVE Gate |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
312
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Posted - 2011.09.06 16:26:00 -
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And don't get me started on the signatures thing. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection |
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Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics BRABODEN
151
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Posted - 2011.09.06 16:28:00 -
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Self important poster whining over lost post count. Yawn. |
Yalezorn
Blacksteel Mining and Manufacturing Renaissance Federation
4
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Posted - 2011.09.06 16:29:00 -
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Nothing like 3 inches of useless space on both sides of the screen. |
Froz3nEcho Sarain
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
71
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Posted - 2011.09.06 16:32:00 -
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CopyCatz wrote:Where's the dislike button? I want to try it on your post.
Agreed, to be honest that is the only real feature that is missing. The previous forum was pretty outdated imo and the new style and functions are much appreciated. And about the mobile device part where you were talking about... this forum works better than the old one on my device. Better readable and fits the screen allot better. ~ When everything fades away, an echo is the only sound that will remain ~ |
Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
27
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Posted - 2011.09.06 16:32:00 -
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CopyCatz wrote:Where's the dislike button? I want to try it on your post. Case in point.
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King Aires
Kwame's Executive Protection Detail
2
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Posted - 2011.09.06 16:32:00 -
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Jada Maroo wrote:Self important poster whining over lost post count. Yawn.
Don't you worry, we can all get our post counts back up with the teenies come asking where da titan iz
Oh, and shut your hole |
Nin Kimrov
Kenzi Arms and Munitions
20
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Posted - 2011.09.06 16:33:00 -
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My eyes are bleeding!! This soooo facebook crap, with a touch for mobile telephones....a forced touch. |
Tichu Tilyon
Ordo Drakonis Nulli Tertius
3
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Posted - 2011.09.06 16:33:00 -
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Yalezorn wrote:Nothing like 3 inches of useless space on both sides of the screen.
Yeah, CCP should hire some lean engineers =)) |
Florestan Bronstein
United Engineering Services
33
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Posted - 2011.09.06 16:34:00 -
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Didn't want to know who wrote each post when browsing the RSS feed anyways... |
Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics BRABODEN
151
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Posted - 2011.09.06 16:36:00 -
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Froz3nEcho Sarain wrote:CopyCatz wrote:Where's the dislike button? I want to try it on your post. Agreed, to be honest that is the only real feature that is missing. The previous forum was pretty outdated imo and the new style and functions are much appreciated. And about the mobile device part where you were talking about... this forum works better than the old one on my device. Better readable and fits the screen allot better.
Well, its not the only thing that missing. Images and color tags come to mind. But these forums are a *vast* improvement over what we had before.
OP whining about javascript being used is just being petty. Seriously on any modern computer with a decent connection the difference will never be noticed. |
Gallion
GALACTIC GUARDIAN KNIGHTS V.A.S.T.
250
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Posted - 2011.09.06 16:36:00 -
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*/emote: presses the Invisible dislike for this Thread* This is a Signature, It makes people Stare. (Man I gotta Make one , or Find one to steal) |
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Assaj Ventress
Cygnus Project Wind Rose.
0
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Posted - 2011.09.06 16:37:00 -
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Yalezorn wrote:Nothing like 3 inches of useless space on both sides of the screen. I just Ctrl++ the entire thing |
Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
49
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Posted - 2011.09.06 16:39:00 -
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The new forums are horrible and CCP should feel bad about it. |
Aethlyn
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Posted - 2011.09.06 16:41:00 -
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Hm... I like them... *please don't hurt me* Looking for more thoughts? Read my blog or follow me on Twitter. |
Shizu Eisenkreuz
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2011.09.06 16:44:00 -
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Customizable font size. Is it asking too much? |
Drakesh
Team Lang
1
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Posted - 2011.09.06 16:49:00 -
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Florestan Bronstein wrote:Didn't want to know who wrote each post when browsing the RSS feed anyways...
Oh yeah! Just noticed this.
And what's with all the blank space in the margins? |
Sader Rykane
The Dark Space Initiative Revival Of The Talocan Empire
87
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Posted - 2011.09.06 16:54:00 -
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I do mostly agree except this part.
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Alxea
U-208 Bacon Fortress Gaming Syndicate
9
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Posted - 2011.09.06 17:05:00 -
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What I like about the new forums is that I can block people who make useless posts and waste my time. |
Kerppe Krulli
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2011.09.06 17:09:00 -
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I'm just going to post I would love the option to change the font color and thickness. This slight grey text-on-dark grey background is killing my eyes after a while. I need to highlight the entire page to properly read it. CCP you have failed with any sort of accessibility functions. |
Chiana Moro
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
1
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Posted - 2011.09.06 17:13:00 -
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Assaj Ventress wrote:Yalezorn wrote:Nothing like 3 inches of useless space on both sides of the screen. I just Ctrl++ the entire thing
Or CTRL+scroll wheel, but for some whiners this obviously is extremely difficult.
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Chiana Moro
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
1
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Posted - 2011.09.06 17:14:00 -
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Drakesh wrote:Florestan Bronstein wrote:Didn't want to know who wrote each post when browsing the RSS feed anyways... Oh yeah! Just noticed this. And what's with all the blank space in the margins?
It's to fit in to EVE Gate.
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Tobias Sjodin
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
0
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Posted - 2011.09.06 17:17:00 -
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Yalezorn wrote:Nothing like 3 inches of useless space on both sides of the screen.
I like it at 1920x1080 the old forums really stretched too damn far over the screen, seriously impairing readability. |
Voivod Rhahk'an Anstian
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2011.09.06 17:21:00 -
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Forums are just another example that CCP doesn't give s*** about their customers and their opinions. One way or another, going straight to it, or taking longer way around, they will ultimately do whatever is on their mind.
Waiting for gold ships and ammo this time next year. |
Jenna Mai
V0LTA VOLTA Corp
4
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Posted - 2011.09.06 17:23:00 -
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I personally like the new forums, I have no issues reading it over long periods, I like the font etc. A definite step up. |
Cailais
Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
23
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Posted - 2011.09.06 17:26:00 -
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There's a thread about ponies.
I thought that was pretty cool.
C.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
121
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Posted - 2011.09.06 17:33:00 -
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Jada Maroo wrote:OP whining about javascript being used is just being petty. Seriously on any modern computer with a decent connection the difference will never be noticed. The problem isn't with javascript being used GÇö it's with it being used to do things that are better done without javascript and (even worse) with it replacing things that are done just as well without JS without there being any kind of fallback.
For instance, the much vaunted and long expected search functionality is almost useless if you turn JS off, and there is no reason to have JS anywhere near that page.
And yes, you do want to turn JS off for a number of things GÇö most notably the idiotic link scripts that (because of JS) alter or even break standard browser behaviour. That is such a silly blunder that it borders on the insane. It's a web programming 101 clueless newbie mistake GÇö you simply don't do that if you have any sense whatsoever. The basic functionality of warning users for external links still exists and still works perfectly without the JS, so the addition of scripting is just idiotic. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Tethys Atreides
The Audacity of Huge
26
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Posted - 2011.09.06 17:40:00 -
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Tippia wrote:And yes, you do want to turn JS off for a number of things GÇö most notably the idiotic link scripts that (because of JS) alter or even break standard browser behaviour. That is such a silly blunder that it borders on the insane. It's a web programming 101 clueless newbie mistake GÇö you simply don't do that if you have any sense whatsoever. The basic functionality of warning users for external links still exists and still works perfectly without the JS, so the addition of scripting is just idiotic.
This was complained about ad nauseam on the beta test forum. Good to see we were listened to... |
Tristin Del'astakhos
Lonetrek Trade and Industries Rolling Thunder.
1
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Posted - 2011.09.06 19:02:00 -
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looks fine on my 4 inch android screen. Do you guys not have tap or pinch to zoom on your phones? I guess it depends on your os, no idea. |
TeraDmc
TeraCorp Elite Sardaukar Guard
9
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Posted - 2011.09.06 19:04:00 -
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They look fantastic on my iPad |
Zangorus
Targeted Aggression
127
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Posted - 2011.09.06 19:05:00 -
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ITS SO MUCH FAIL OH Like my comment and recieve 1 million isk ingame! |
Ineka
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2011.09.06 19:05:00 -
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Ladie Scarlet wrote:The new forums are horrible and CCP should feel bad about it.
Your avatar looks worst and you should feel bad about it too
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De'Veldrin
Norse'Storm Battle Group Intrepid Crossing
4
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Posted - 2011.09.06 19:10:00 -
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Tethys Atreides wrote:
This was complained about ad nauseam on the beta test forum. Good to see we were listened to...
Why would they start listening now? |
Tethys Atreides
The Audacity of Huge
26
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Posted - 2011.09.06 19:10:00 -
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I generally like your threads Akita, but this one is a bit too passive-aggressive for me...
@De'Veldrin : Foolish optimism I suppose... |
Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
15
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Posted - 2011.09.06 19:11:00 -
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So which idiot forgot to test the forums on large screens and ignored all the negative feedback and problems from last time around? Putting the black borders together gives me around a 1400x1400 resolution black box which is just a stupid design move. The forums use less then 50% of the screen. Who wants a tiny little strip in the centre of the screen? |
Mystic5hadow
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
9
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Posted - 2011.09.06 19:12:00 -
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I don't see the issues people keep complaining about. These forums are better than the old ones, I don't know how anybody can say otherwise. The simple fact you don't have to log in every time you come here itself makes these forums better than the last. Complaining about widescreen, why? Why the hell do you want forums that stretch from left to right? Can you not read what everyone is saying just fine? Besides, lots of sites don't stretch their main content from side to side, they usually fill it with ads and other junk, plus it isn't necessary in this case and those complaining about it are little nitpicky babies.
Get over yourselves people, god damn. So many of you act like entitled little children over the most stupid **** I have ever seen. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
121
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Posted - 2011.09.06 19:14:00 -
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Mystic5hadow wrote:These forums are better than the old ones, I don't know how anybody can say otherwise. Simple: because for every thing that makes them better, there is at least one thing that makes them worse.
Once again, they have added a ton of (largely useless and pointless) bling and removed functionality in the process.
GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Aphoxema G
PONIES EVERWHERE Screaming Meercats
30
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Posted - 2011.09.06 19:16:00 -
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Akita T wrote:Obviously, not one soul at CCP with some halfway serious pull has been taking any of the constructive (and neither some of the less constructive) criticism to heart, so in spite of the many, many, MANY complaints made towards the form and function of the new forums (or new new forums, or new patched new forums, or whatever you want to call them), since they're pretty much identical (maybe without some of the more glaring security holes) to what we used to have.
The legibility of the forums has been made worse for a large number of people (granted, there's a small section of the population that doesn't really mind, and an even smaller one that even likes it). Mobile devices are still universally SOL though. There is still no way to make the forums wider, I suppose a forum setting for width would have been oh so much to ask for, just like, oh, maybe allowing us to select a default avatar size. The entire forum user-end is still heavily reliant on cobbled together javascript, that's so last millennium of you guys. I could list the many other more or less obvious shortcomings and failures, but honestly, I just give up.
Here's hoping somebody crashes them hard. Again.
Is it even possible to make you happy?
Wouldn't you like to be my little PWNEE? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
121
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Posted - 2011.09.06 19:19:00 -
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Aphoxema G wrote:Is it even possible to make you happy? It's ridiculously easy to make Akita T happy.
1. Listen. 2. No, really, listen GÇö don't just detect the sound/observe the text. 3. Provide options.
Unfortunately, CCP has proven quite inept at the first two, and are apparently lethally allergic to #3.
GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
OilSlick Rick
Quantum Cats Syndicate
7
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Posted - 2011.09.06 19:21:00 -
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Yalezorn wrote:Nothing like 3 inches of useless space
Don't be so hard on yourself...
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Mystic5hadow
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
9
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Posted - 2011.09.06 19:23:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Mystic5hadow wrote:These forums are better than the old ones, I don't know how anybody can say otherwise. Simple: because for every thing that makes them better, there is at least one thing that makes them worse. Once again, they have added a ton of (largely useless and pointless) bling and removed functionality in the process. How have they removed functionality? What useless features? Am I not replying to your post? Seems like the forums are working fine to me.
Plus, my eyes don't kill me after reading for longer than 20 minutes, unlike the old forums.
Honestly, I'd like a list. What was so good about the old forums, that these forums just seem so terrible? Because, from using the old forums for so long, these new ones seem like a god damn blessing to me. I don't feel like I'm stuck in the 90's any more.
Regardless, I don't play EVE for the forums. I play EVE for the Spaceships and Barbie Dolls, so long as I can read and write crap on the forums, I'm happy and could care less how they look, so long as they work. Which, as far as I can tell, they do. |
Tabatha Ravenclaw
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2011.09.06 19:27:00 -
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CopyCatz wrote:Where's the dislike button? I want to try it on your post.
The "hide posts" button is sooo much more useful
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Aphoxema G
PONIES EVERWHERE Screaming Meercats
30
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Posted - 2011.09.06 19:27:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Aphoxema G wrote:Is it even possible to make you happy? It's ridiculously easy to make Akita T happy. 1. Listen. 2. No, really, listen GÇö don't just detect the sound/observe the text. 3. Provide options. Unfortunately, CCP has proven quite inept at the first two, and are apparently lethally allergic to #3.
I get that, and I know the new forums aren't perfect, but does anyone realize how much the other forums sucked? Good results take time and it's great for Akita to have input, but it couldn't hurt to be a little more constructive and little less personally offended when CCP finally gets on the right track.
I really, really hate the old forums. They were awful and seemed like nothing more than a featureless, naked version of phpBB. That's my opinion. My opinion is that it is good the old, terrible forums are being abandoned and the new, beautiful forums with a few little and some serious things that need to be fixed. As it is, in my opiniony opinion, that these forums are a vast, huge, megalithic improvement over the horrible horrible old forums.
So is Akita's hoping for the new forums to be destroyed by malignant people really an appropriate option?
Wouldn't you like to be my little PWNEE? |
Mystic5hadow
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
9
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Posted - 2011.09.06 19:29:00 -
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Aphoxema G wrote:Akita T wrote:Obviously, not one soul at CCP with some halfway serious pull has been taking any of the constructive (and neither some of the less constructive) criticism to heart, so in spite of the many, many, MANY complaints made towards the form and function of the new forums (or new new forums, or new patched new forums, or whatever you want to call them), since they're pretty much identical (maybe without some of the more glaring security holes) to what we used to have.
The legibility of the forums has been made worse for a large number of people (granted, there's a small section of the population that doesn't really mind, and an even smaller one that even likes it). Mobile devices are still universally SOL though. There is still no way to make the forums wider, I suppose a forum setting for width would have been oh so much to ask for, just like, oh, maybe allowing us to select a default avatar size. The entire forum user-end is still heavily reliant on cobbled together javascript, that's so last millennium of you guys. I could list the many other more or less obvious shortcomings and failures, but honestly, I just give up.
Here's hoping somebody crashes them hard. Again. Is it even possible to make you happy? In case you haven't noticed, Akita T lives on the forums and doesn't actually play EVE. She's just here because she's posted so damn much people started to recognize her, plus CCP acknowledged her Paper Cuts thread, so she's clearly special and right about everything in regards to EVE, so the people of the forums love her :D
She's definitely not a troll, or someone who feels the need to ***** and complain or to comment on ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING. EVER.
Plus, she knows what's popular on the forums.. Bashing and hating on CCP and the game we all pay to play, why would she ever post something positive? |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
312
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Posted - 2011.09.06 19:30:00 -
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Chiana Moro wrote:Assaj Ventress wrote:Yalezorn wrote:Nothing like 3 inches of useless space on both sides of the screen. I just Ctrl++ the entire thing Or CTRL+scroll wheel, but for some whiners this obviously is extremely difficult. That's not wider, that's LARGER. It's just a fancy way of zooming in. You can see even LESS text on screen that way. So thanks for a "suggested solution" that completely defeats the purpose of what was asked. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection |
Aoki Ayumi
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.09.06 19:36:00 -
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I like this new forums, quote tool, likes, big avatars... I don't get why people could dislike them. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
121
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Posted - 2011.09.06 19:36:00 -
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Mystic5hadow wrote:How have they removed functionality? What useless features? Ok, let's repost that list from April (which hasn't been addressed in any way since).
- Remove wasted space in border, headers and block-level padding.
- Remove redundant and duplicate information and links.
- Remove pointless links.
- Remove contextually useless GÇö or even harmful GÇö links (e.g. "new thread" next to "new topic" in thread view, where it is not needed and where it is horribly poorly placed).
- Remove the quote number limits (but keep nested quote limit not to break the layout too much).
- Remove all javascript link triggers.
- Remove the interpret-while-typing features from the editor (or at least make it a toggle) GÇö it interferes with the entry of special characters and entities. This will also remove the perceived lag when editing posts.
- Change settings link to actually link to the forum settings.
- Change the style of text to allow for browser-based text enlargement.
- Change the combinations of font and background colours to provide proper contrast (may also require a change of fonts altogether).
- Change the table-based layout into a semantically correct one.
- Change heading-style fonts (sizes, weights and decoration) to match the contextual importance of the heading.
- Consolidate most, if not all, javascript files into one (yes, even the google stuff).
- Consolidate the "meta-page" links (index, search, dev posts, rules, archives) to all exist side-by-side.
- Consolidate the personal tracking functions (favourites, RSS) to all exist side-by-side.
- Consolidate positional navigation (bread crumbs, thread title) into contextually and semantically coherent groups.
- Restore the sidebar functionality (EVE website, bug reports, account management, downloads, features lists, back-story and lore lists, EVE store, etc etc etc).
- Restore signatures, with all the standard forum markup.
- Restore settings to show/hide signatures.
- Restore settings to show/hide race.
- Restore images and add CSS-based rules to keep the layout from breaking.
- Restore proper in-line image alignment.
- Restore animated smileys.
- Restore settings to enable/disable images.
- Restore text decoration (colours, sizes).
- Restore text markup (code, pre-formatted).
- Restore post separation design (e.g. through alternating colours).
- Restore ability to differentiate between viewed and changed threads.
- Restore normal page behaviours through the use of common HTML so that javascript is not needed to use the forums.
- Restore design of lists (with hanging first/indented following lines).
- Add settings for page lengths (number of threads in forum view; number of posts in thread view).
- Add settings for font sizes.
- Add settings for width (including auto-width based on text size).
- Add settings for outbound link warnings.
- Add settings for portrait size.
- Add polls (for relevant subforums, e.g. F&I, Assembly Hall, Jita Park).
- Add Gzip compression.
- Add proper caching and expiration information to all files.
Ok, not entirely true. On the old list, I also had a note about the gignormous quote graphics, which they have reduced, and an snippy comment about the Like system, which I have then understood the philosophy behind (but I know that others would still keep that on the list).
The really huge issue is the over-abundance of (and occasionally very poorly used) javascript, which actually outright breaks things, and without which many of the fancy new features simply do not work for no good reason (e.g. search). As a result, in some ways the forums don't really have any of the functionality that was missing from the old forums: to make the forums useful, you have to disable the underlying code that (completely needlessly) feeds that functionality.
There is this design concept called GÇ£graceful degradationGÇ¥ GÇö providing the same, or at least very similar, functionality even for browsers that do not have support for plugin x, or scripting language y, or image type z, or have all of them turned off or filtered for various reasons. These forums have none of that and that alone makes them very badly implemented. Everything relies on javascript being present and being allowed to modify even core behaviour in the browser, when really none of that should ever happen.
Aphoxema G wrote:I really, really hate the old forums. They were awful and seemed like nothing more than a featureless, naked version of phpBB. GǪand the new ones are (not just Gǣseem likeGǥ) a featureless, naked, stripped-down version of yaf.net
Yes, they have applied a slightly more modern skin (which still breaks a huge number of principles of good design), but they have actually lost functionality in the process and replace it with graphical theatre with little added value, and the new design also cuts off a huge amount of relevant content.
So far, I have seen exactly two real improvments: longer posts and a (seemingly) more stable session handlerGǪ but then again, I almost never got logged out of the old forums, so meh GÇö 1-+GǪ GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Aphoxema G
PONIES EVERWHERE Screaming Meercats
30
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Posted - 2011.09.06 19:41:00 -
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Mystic5hadow wrote:In case you haven't noticed, Akita T lives on the forums and doesn't actually play EVE. She's just here because she's posted so damn much people started to recognize her, plus CCP acknowledged her Paper Cuts thread, so she's clearly special and right about everything in regards to EVE, so the people of the forums love her :D
She's definitely not a troll, or someone who feels the need to ***** and complain or to comment on ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING. EVER.
Plus, she knows what's popular on the forums.. Bashing and hating on CCP and the game we all pay to play, why would she ever post something positive?
It's not like I think she's stupid and can't make good points, something's just gotta give and it's not like CCPs doing the new forums on accident. The Thousand Papercuts is an excellent idea and streamlines what the Features and Ideas forum couldn't accomplish.
It's not calling on people to murder someone, but what is she really saying when she says "Here's hoping somebody crashes them hard. Again."?
She is both demanding progress and failure. How in any way can that possibly be reasonable? Fix my car, oh wait, you didn't do it the way I wanted so I hope someone drives it off a cliff.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
312
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Posted - 2011.09.06 19:42:00 -
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Aphoxema G wrote:Tippia wrote:Aphoxema G wrote:Is it even possible to make you happy? It's ridiculously easy to make Akita T happy. 1. Listen. 2. No, really, listen GÇö don't just detect the sound/observe the text. 3. Provide options. Unfortunately, CCP has proven quite inept at the first two, and are apparently lethally allergic to #3. I get that, and I know the new forums aren't perfect, but does anyone realize how much the other forums sucked? Good results take time and it's great for Akita to have input, but it couldn't hurt to be a little more constructive and little less personally offended when CCP finally gets on the right track. I really, really hate the old forums. They were awful and seemed like nothing more than a featureless, naked version of phpBB. That's my opinion. My opinion is that it is good the old, terrible forums are being abandoned and the new, beautiful forums with a few little and some serious things that need to be fixed. As it is, in my opiniony opinion, that these forums are a vast, huge, megalithic improvement over the horrible horrible old forums. So is Akita's hoping for the new forums to be destroyed by malignant people really an appropriate option?
These forums have allegedly been "in development" since forever ago, they still look and feel ALMOST EXACTLY LIKE THE ONES NEARLY HALF A YEAR AGO, with absolutely no visible FUNCTIONALITY improvement since. When there are plenty of OPEN SOURCE forums that have much better functionality, and some of them have been developed in the spare time of a few people, NOT BY A GORRAM TEAM OF PAID SELF-PROCLAIMED EXPERTS.
If there's so little improvement needed to make these forums better, WHY THE HELL ARE ALL THE POINTS WE REPEATEDLY COMPLAINED ABOUT FOR MONTHS NOT EVEN ADDRESSED, LET ALONE FIXED ? The most obvious answer is that nobody gives a flying fudge and they will most likely NEVER BE ADDRESSED AT ALL.
Yes, the old forums were pretty sucky, and these new forums do have a few nice features. But for every good point about these forums, there's at least one if not several BAD POINTS to more than counter them in overall pleasantness. So, one just has to ask the question - why not just upgrade the old ones with the good stuff, or the very least, why remove ANY functionality you had in the old ones, ever ? http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection |
Mystic5hadow
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
9
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Posted - 2011.09.06 19:49:00 -
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Alright, I'll agree I would like most of the "Restore" stuff back from the old forums, but they aren't a big deal to me, personally. Some of the "Add" stuff would be nice as well.
Even still, I'm happier with these forums than I am with the old ones. I didn't use colored text or any of that stuff and I don't plan to, my biggest annoyance was having to log in every time I wanted to post or see an image or something, and that's gone now. So I'm happy.
I suppose I can see why some people would be bothered, but everybody seems to take it so personally it's ridiculous. In the end, this is all for a VIDEO GAME. Yeah, sure, one some of us pay monthly for, but that doesn't change the fact it's a game and people need to calm down with all the hate. It's not like CCP is out to personally **** you all off. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
312
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Posted - 2011.09.06 19:51:00 -
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Aphoxema G wrote:It's not calling on people to murder someone, but what is she really saying when she says "Here's hoping somebody crashes them hard. Again."? She is both demanding progress and failure. How in any way can that possibly be reasonable? Fix my car, oh wait, you didn't do it the way I wanted so I hope someone drives it off a cliff. More like, you had a car that was pretty junky, but it worked just fine in driving you from point A to point B, ...then somebody gives you a newer, shinier car that you hate driving (for a variety of reasons, some perfectly justified, some just personal preference) ...AND tells you that you will no longer be allowed to drive the old car (even if it's right there in the garage and in working order) ...while not listening to you saying why you hate the new car, nor allowing you to replace it with a different model that would annoy you less. Wouldn't you say "screw it, I hope somebody totals this new car in the parking lot, so I can either get the model I want with the insurance payout, or at least be allowed to use my trusty old car for a good while longer".
So, yes, I demand progress - progress in the form of CCP actually listening to the thing we keep complaining about and fixing them before they FORCE us to use these new forums. But at the same time, if that's not possible, or better said, because it's highly unlikely, hope for a disaster that forces THEM to be unable to force us to switch to the new forums.
Clearer now ?
Mystic5hadow wrote: my biggest annoyance was having to log in every time I wanted to post or see an image or something, and that's gone now. So I'm happy.
Oh, yeah, that's TOTALLY gone now. Try posting an image.
Here, I'll wait.
... http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
37
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Posted - 2011.09.06 19:52:00 -
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Aphoxema G wrote:I really, really hate the old forums. They were awful and seemed like nothing more than a featureless, naked version of phpBB
good man, I also hate the old forums. they are akin to something prehistoric.
the issue is, these ones feel like a downgrade in terms of functionality just to have a neat backround and link up with spacebook. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
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Mystic5hadow
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
9
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Posted - 2011.09.06 19:58:00 -
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Aphoxema G wrote:Mystic5hadow wrote:In case you haven't noticed, Akita T lives on the forums and doesn't actually play EVE. She's just here because she's posted so damn much people started to recognize her, plus CCP acknowledged her Paper Cuts thread, so she's clearly special and right about everything in regards to EVE, so the people of the forums love her :D
She's definitely not a troll, or someone who feels the need to ***** and complain or to comment on ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING. EVER.
Plus, she knows what's popular on the forums.. Bashing and hating on CCP and the game we all pay to play, why would she ever post something positive? It's not like I think she's stupid and can't make good points, something's just gotta give and it's not like CCPs doing the new forums on accident. The Thousand Papercuts is an excellent idea and streamlines what the Features and Ideas forum couldn't accomplish. It's not calling on people to murder someone, but what is she really saying when she says "Here's hoping somebody crashes them hard. Again."? She is both demanding progress and failure. How in any way can that possibly be reasonable? Fix my car, oh wait, you didn't do it the way I wanted so I hope someone drives it off a cliff. No, she isn't stupid and I agree, Thousand Papercuts was a great thing, as it was used to give us various fixes we all wanted. Plus, she still does have valid points from time to time. But I can't help but feel like the success of that thread has made her feel entitled and that her opinion is always the right one and like she needs to comment in practically every thread nowadays to maintain her popularity or something. In the case of this thread, her post just seems ridiculous, "OH I DON'T LIKE SOMETHING SO IT SHOULD FAIL"? Ridiculous. I'm sure in a few months time, everybody will have forgotten about the old forums and I'm also sure CCP will at some point try to implement some of the changes people want to these forums.
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Joe Skellington
Matari Legion Holding Matari Legion
10
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Posted - 2011.09.06 19:59:00 -
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Skippermonkey wrote:My first instinct was to post ponies.....
but then i realised, this is EVE Gate
LOL, you could do it in ascii, but even that would look like ****. -á-á |\_/|-á -á/ @ @ \ -á-á -á( > -¦ < )-á -á`-+-+x-½-½-¦ -á-á / O \ |
Kaede Kimura
Epsilon Inc STORM.
1
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Posted - 2011.09.06 20:01:00 -
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I want a thumbs down button, then we'll see if the forums are REALLY as bad as you stick-in-mud think. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
312
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Posted - 2011.09.06 20:02:00 -
[64] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Aphoxema G wrote:I really, really hate the old forums. They were awful and seemed like nothing more than a featureless, naked version of phpBB. GǪand the new ones are (not just Gǣseem likeGǥ) a featureless, naked, stripped-down version of yaf.net This bears repeating - the forums they ALLEGEDLY spent SO MANY MANHOURS "developing" is basically an already existing forum software that's been mutilated then hammer-wedged in with its round slot into the square opening of EVE-Gate. And practically next to none of the complaints from half a year ago have been addressed. These forums are akin to something a CS major student would throw together for his thesis project at nearly the last minute after a heavy-duty procrastination session.
Mystic5hadow wrote:I'm also sure CCP will at some point try to implement some of the changes people want to these forums. The section above applies perfectly. If CCP successfully launches this junk (as in, they're not forced to revert), fully expect this to be how it actually ends up being 5 years down the road too. Some of the changes should have already been trivial to implement, yet... oh, look, they weren't. And of course people will eventually stop complaining. If you force-fed people mashed earthworm sandwiches long enough, they'll end up complaining when you switch back to hamburgers. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection |
Mystic5hadow
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
9
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Posted - 2011.09.06 20:03:00 -
[65] - Quote
Akita T wrote:Mystic5hadow wrote: my biggest annoyance was having to log in every time I wanted to post or see an image or something, and that's gone now. So I'm happy. Oh, yeah, that's TOTALLY gone now. Try posting an image. Here, I'll wait. ... Right, I should clarify, I'd rather images in posts be links anyways. So I'm fine with that being gone, though it would be nice to still be able to post small images, especially in signatures.
I'll admit, the lack of images is pretty stupid on CCP's part. |
Aphoxema G
PONIES EVERWHERE Screaming Meercats
30
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Posted - 2011.09.06 20:04:00 -
[66] - Quote
Akita T wrote:Aphoxema G wrote:It's not calling on people to murder someone, but what is she really saying when she says "Here's hoping somebody crashes them hard. Again."? She is both demanding progress and failure. How in any way can that possibly be reasonable? Fix my car, oh wait, you didn't do it the way I wanted so I hope someone drives it off a cliff. More like, you had a car that was pretty junky, but it worked just fine in driving you from point A to point B, ...then somebody gives you a newer, shinier car that you hate driving (for a variety of reasons, some perfectly justified, some just personal preference) ...AND tells you that you will no longer be allowed to drive the old car (even if it's right there in the garage and in working order) ...while not listening to you saying why you hate the new car, nor allowing you to replace it with a different model that would annoy you less. Wouldn't you say "screw it, I hope somebody totals this new car in the parking lot, so I can either get the model I want with the insurance payout, or at least be allowed to use my trusty old car for a good while longer".
Your analogy is much better than mine and does get to the point, and I know the squeaky wheel gets the grease... It just seems you're more concerned on having something to say. You're a pioneer, you say what needs to get said, but you're harming your own integrity as a speaker by your excessive complaints.
I want you to keep doing what you do; I want you to put problems into words and offer solutions with them. What I don't think will support you is dismissing the hard work CCP has already passionately put into everything and using every opportunity to blame them for being incompetent and untalented.
What do you think someone thinks about themselves when they are called terrible things? Can you not see that by your attitude, demands and language that you create a problem that doesn't have to be there?
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Jita Alt666
159
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Posted - 2011.09.06 20:06:00 -
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Can some one explain to me the intended difference between the compact view and regular view? Both have 4 inches of empty space each side of the screen |
Mystic5hadow
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
9
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Posted - 2011.09.06 20:08:00 -
[68] - Quote
Jita Alt666 wrote:Can some one explain to me the intended difference between the compact view and regular view? Both have 4 inches of empty space each side of the screen Smaller avatar images on the left, that's about it from what I can tell. Oh, and it hides the character details (race, corp, alliance, etc.) |
Chiana Moro
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
1
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Posted - 2011.09.06 20:11:00 -
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Akita T wrote:Chiana Moro wrote:Assaj Ventress wrote:Yalezorn wrote:Nothing like 3 inches of useless space on both sides of the screen. I just Ctrl++ the entire thing Or CTRL+scroll wheel, but for some whiners this obviously is extremely difficult. That's not wider, that's LARGER. It's just a fancy way of zooming in. You can see even LESS text on screen that way. So thanks for a "suggested solution" that completely defeats the purpose of what was asked.
There's so much whining it's hard keeping everything seperated. Well, yes it's larger, someone whined about the fonts being too small. And while it magnifies the text it also fills it up horisontally. Granted it's not address the border margins.
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Discrodia
Symbiosis International Moose Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.09.06 20:11:00 -
[70] - Quote
New forums are terribad, as I predicted.
Also WTB image sigs back. [pony] Humerous anti-CCP sig [/pony] |
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Jita Alt666
159
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Posted - 2011.09.06 20:11:00 -
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So for all the users still using 600x800 resolutions it might be useful? |
Sellendis
The Ares project
6
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Posted - 2011.09.06 20:12:00 -
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As it was already said, after a 6 months wait for the "forum-fail" we get new forums, that are identical to old "fail" they introduced once already, and we still have same problems. Images? Screw that. Screw that 6 months ago, and screw that now. That is considered progress? Design part aside, and point they spent 72.000 man hours re-skinning a forum, they forget one simple thing, make it efficient without functionality sacrifice.
They remove session change timer and introduce a whole new universe of bugs and problems (not limited only to latest content update) They add CQ that does absolutely nothing old hangar view didn't do even better. We have our own char now, brilliant. Hangar view before used ~20% CPU , and a small room with 4 rusty walls and 1 char uses 100% cpu. And WiS? Imagine hundred chars like yours in high polygon count in bars or corridors. Did CCP even think of that? Do they care that more and more people are having problems playing the game they pay for?
In a game of internet spaceships, they "try" to fix stuff that isn't broken and complicate it in the process. While spaceships aren't important at all and they get postponed in a game about internet spaceships. Makes sense only to CCP i guess. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
312
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Posted - 2011.09.06 20:14:00 -
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Aphoxema G wrote:What I don't think will support you is dismissing the hard work CCP has already passionately put into everything and using every opportunity to blame them for being incompetent and untalented. They took this : http://yetanotherforum.net/ They stripped it down. Badly. They added EVE-Gate interconnection. They added some nearly-pointless fluff. So... WHAT hard work ?
I give credit where and when credit is due. These forums have next to none of that justifiable. Just because they do some of the stuff right and they are passionate about what they do doesn't mean I should cut them any slack when they drop the ball THIS badly in THIS particular matter. Especially since the web design team (responsible for these forums, among other things) has NEARLY NOTHING in common with the teams that do the stuff that's actually worthy of praise. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection |
Aphoxema G
PONIES EVERWHERE Screaming Meercats
30
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Posted - 2011.09.06 20:18:00 -
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Discrodia wrote:New forums are terribad, as I predicted.
Also WTB image sigs back.
I predict CCP is going to add a new feature they labor for months to develop and when they deploy it there'll be hundreds of people acting like it is the end to all they know and forget about what they were saying months later.
Wouldn't you like to be my little PWNEE? |
Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
27
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Posted - 2011.09.06 20:21:00 -
[75] - Quote
Mystic5hadow wrote: Right, I should clarify, I'd rather images in posts be links anyways. So I'm fine with that being gone, though it would be nice to still be able to post small images, especially in signatures.
I'll admit, the lack of images is pretty stupid on CCP's part.
People defending an inferior product arguing against options and choice that the previous product already had always boggled my mind. Seems to me they are either ret-¦rded or shilling for the offending dev team.
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Aphoxema G
PONIES EVERWHERE Screaming Meercats
30
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Posted - 2011.09.06 20:39:00 -
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Akita T wrote:Especially since the web design team (responsible for these forums, among other things) has NEARLY NOTHING in common with the teams that do the stuff that's actually worthy of praise.
So when you're just plain mad it's "CCP", but only after I need to goad you on it you'll be specific?
No, that doesn't matter. What does matter is that you'll find the need to discuss failure and ignore success and as a figure like yourself, growing in popularity and maybe some authority, you need to be more responsible with your words and take the influence you have more seriously. That is, if you want to keep that influence and not be eventually seen as some curmudgeonly pundit whose entire visibility depends on being dissatisfied. Always dissatisfied.
You'll never let them impress you when you keep moving the goal posts.
Wouldn't you like to be my little PWNEE? |
Jita Alt666
159
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Posted - 2011.09.06 20:42:00 -
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Thankyou Grey Stormshadow for improving the forums more in 12 hours than CCP could in 6 months.
yes seriously thank you |
Jita Alt666
159
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Posted - 2011.09.06 20:47:00 -
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Aphoxema G wrote:
So when you're just plain mad it's "CCP", but only after I need to goad you on it you'll be specific?
No, that doesn't matter. What does matter is that you'll find the need to discuss failure and ignore success and as a figure like yourself, growing in popularity and maybe some authority, you need to be more responsible with your words and take the influence you have more seriously. That is, if you want to keep that influence and not be eventually seen as some curmudgeonly pundit whose entire visibility depends on being dissatisfied. Always dissatisfied.
You'll never let them impress you when you keep moving the goal posts.
Wow Akita starts a thread expressing dissatisfaction with the status of the forums and does so in a reasonably informed and logical manner.
Your response is claim that Akita is merely a doomsayer. Actually not merely a doomsayer a "curmudgeonly pundit". Way to argue the person and not the position.
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Umad Bro Questionmark
modro ROMANIAN-LEGION
20
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Posted - 2011.09.06 20:54:00 -
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And another clever distraction from the real problems.
Hybrid turrets need fix.... uuu... shiny forums that feel like Facebook! I can haz friends now! Wait... why was I mad?... Oh well. -á(\ /) -á(-¦ .-¦) -á-áGÖÑ-á-á-á +å+Ñn++ n+ëGêÜ+Ñn¦Ä +¦ c(GÇ¥)(GÇ¥) Crack bunny - will Like for drugs (because its e-peen is already big enough). |
Hoshi
Hedron Industries Red Dwarf Racketeering Division
0
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Posted - 2011.09.06 21:03:00 -
[80] - Quote
The only problem I have is the tooltips with the thread preview. On a pc they are just highly irritating but on a cellphone they make browsing the forums almost impossible. Pretty please with sugar ontop give us an option to turn the off, before I go crazy... "Memories are meant to fade. They're designed that way for a reason." |
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Keil Sonter
Allied Pilots Corporation TROJAN.
11
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Posted - 2011.09.06 21:05:00 -
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Tabatha Ravenclaw wrote:CopyCatz wrote:Where's the dislike button? I want to try it on your post. The "hide posts" button is sooo much more useful
The 'hide' button is a great idea
Akita you'll be proud to hear you're my first ..
Just a pity I can't hide the entire depressing post and all the others you and your ilk make.
regards, Keil Sonter Website Hosting Services - Www.EVE-Corporation.co.uk SubDomain Hosting Services - Www.EVE-Domain.com |
Lens Thirring
5
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Posted - 2011.09.06 21:08:00 -
[82] - Quote
Not sure if this is the place to collect complaints, but another thread has noticed that you can't follow external links from the in-game browser. Nothing spells 'fail' better than not supporting your own browser.
Of course, it's easy to see how the devs could miss that. After all, starting up the in-game browser requires logging into the game, and all that annoying confusing space s**t getting in the way of what you really want to do, which of course is social networking. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
121
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Posted - 2011.09.06 22:22:00 -
[83] - Quote
Lens Thirring wrote:Not sure if this is the place to collect complaints, but another thread has noticed that you can't follow external links from the in-game browser. Nothing spells 'fail' better than not supporting your own browser. Of course, it's easy to see how the devs could miss that. After all, starting up the in-game browser requires logging into the game, and all that annoying confusing space s**t getting in the way of what you really want to do, which of course is social networking. It's an issue that has been known sinceGǪ oh, I don't know, when they first tested the new forumsGǪ in February(?)
It's the standard problem for this forum: they've needlessly and pointlessly attached javascript to alter the basic functionality of the browser, and in the process breaks that functionality unless the browser lets you turn javascript off or filter out the offending file (either of which will break a number of other forum features such as searchGǪ). GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
99
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Posted - 2011.09.06 22:23:00 -
[84] - Quote
Jada Maroo wrote:Self important poster whining over lost post count. Yawn.
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Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
49
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Posted - 2011.09.06 22:36:00 -
[85] - Quote
Lens Thirring wrote:Not sure if this is the place to collect complaints, but another thread has noticed that you can't follow external links from the in-game browser. Nothing spells 'fail' better than not supporting your own browser. They would have had to log in to the game to test it. I don't think anybody at CCP logs in anymore.
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Lost Hamster
Hamster Holding Corp
14
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Posted - 2011.09.06 22:38:00 -
[86] - Quote
Quoted for truth. |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
23
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Posted - 2011.09.06 23:10:00 -
[87] - Quote
QFT indeed |
Magnus Orin
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
19
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Posted - 2011.09.06 23:14:00 -
[88] - Quote
I have rarely have seen a bad Akita T thread or even post. Sadly this is one.
Did you really just assume that the majority of users don't like the new forums simply because you don't like them for some random technical reasons?
They are shiny and they work. That's all that's really needed. |
Nin Kimrov
Kenzi Arms and Munitions
20
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Posted - 2011.09.06 23:21:00 -
[89] - Quote
Magnus Orin wrote:I have rarely have seen a bad Akita T thread or even post. Sadly this is one.
Did you really just assume that the majority of users don't like the new forums simply because you don't like them for some random technical reasons?
They are shiny and they work. That's all that's really needed.
They are certainly not shiny and it is still has not been proven that the forum work correctly. I give it about a week before another security fail including javascript come around. |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
23
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Posted - 2011.09.06 23:23:00 -
[90] - Quote
Magnus Orin wrote:I have rarely have seen a bad Akita T thread or even post. Sadly this is one.
Did you really just assume that the majority of users don't like the new forums simply because you don't like them for some random technical reasons?
They are shiny and they work. That's all that's really needed.
A toyota Prius is 'shiney' and 'works' doesnt mean i want it forced on me when the old car did a better job.
Anyway dood, tow the party line, remember the goons are all mad a CCP rite? |
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Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
99
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Posted - 2011.09.06 23:43:00 -
[91] - Quote
Skippermonkey wrote:Magnus Orin wrote:I have rarely have seen a bad Akita T thread or even post. Sadly this is one.
Did you really just assume that the majority of users don't like the new forums simply because you don't like them for some random technical reasons?
They are shiny and they work. That's all that's really needed. A toyota Prius is ' shiney' and ' works' doesnt mean i want it forced on me when the old car did a better job. Anyway dood, tow the party line, remember the goons are all mad a CCP rite?
If we're going to use that analogy then I could easily say that your old car may work, but it's gotta go to the shop much more frequently than a new, 21st century car.
Fly Safe, Die Hard |
Cunane Jeran
4
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Posted - 2011.09.06 23:47:00 -
[92] - Quote
I like the new forums, the old one was good don't get me wrong but this one works better on the phone and gets the job done.
You certainly don't speak on my behalf when you slate the new one you may not like it that doesn't mean everyone else doesn't. |
Yadira Kerr
Kador Rookie Academy
0
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Posted - 2011.09.07 00:05:00 -
[93] - Quote
As I'm new the old forums haven't grown on me, but even to me this new forum is a step backwards. All the avatars are way too big and the spacing is all weird.
Also, it seems as if I can't create a URL in my signature?
My Blog: http://yadiraeve.wordpress.com/
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Sorbus Lipstick
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Aphoxema G wrote:I get that, and I know the new forums aren't perfect, but does anyone realize how much the other forums sucked? Good results take time and it's great for Akita to have input, but it couldn't hurt to be a little more constructive and little less personally offended when CCP finally gets on the right track. I really, really hate the old forums. They were awful and seemed like nothing more than a featureless, naked version of phpBB. That's my opinion. My opinion is that it is good the old, terrible forums are being abandoned and the new, beautiful forums with a few little and some serious things that need to be fixed. As it is, in my opiniony opinion, that these forums are a vast, huge, megalithic improvement over the horrible horrible old forums.
This.
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Taedrin
Kushan Industrial
5
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Posted - 2011.09.07 00:09:00 -
[95] - Quote
Meryl SinGarda wrote:Skippermonkey wrote:Magnus Orin wrote:I have rarely have seen a bad Akita T thread or even post. Sadly this is one.
Did you really just assume that the majority of users don't like the new forums simply because you don't like them for some random technical reasons?
They are shiny and they work. That's all that's really needed. A toyota Prius is ' shiney' and ' works' doesnt mean i want it forced on me when the old car did a better job. Anyway dood, tow the party line, remember the goons are all mad a CCP rite? If we're going to use that analogy then I could easily say that your old car may work, but it's gotta go to the shop much more frequently than a new, 21st century car.
You are overextending the analogy. Analogies are never perfect
My only complaint about the forums is that the layout is fixed, and thus does not automatically adjust itself to the user's window.
Aside from that, the new forums are fine, IMO - if a little light on some of the old forum's bbcode features. |
Nin Kimrov
Kenzi Arms and Munitions
20
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Posted - 2011.09.07 00:11:00 -
[96] - Quote
Yadira Kerr wrote:As I'm new the old forums haven't grown on me, but even to me this new forum is a step backwards. All the avatars are way too big and the spacing is all weird.
Also, it seems as if I can't create a URL in my signature?
For their marketing strategy, their forum are genious! They decided to recreate Facebook! with Spaceship! WOW! All those big pictures! This is what facebooker look!
But still...they didn't through that it's not because Facebook work that you need to copy them. Personnally I don't have a Facebook account and I don't want one, even if its about Avatars playing spaceship games.
I think CCP missed something there with all this EvE gate stuff. |
Mistress Motion
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2011.09.07 00:16:00 -
[97] - Quote
Nin Kimrov wrote:For their marketing strategy, their forum are genious! They decided to recreate Facebook! with Spaceship! WOW! All those big pictures! This is what facebooker look!
But still...they didn't through that it's not because Facebook work that you need to copy them. Personnally I don't have a Facebook account and I don't want one, even if its about Avatars playing spaceship games.
I think CCP missed something there with all this EvE gate stuff.
So you don't have a facebook account? Maybe that's why you fail to see how little common it has with this.
Yes, a "Like" button. Without that people would write stupid "+1" and clutter threads with those empty posts. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2011.09.07 00:22:00 -
[98] - Quote
How do you change the background? Ive heard that you can They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
KaarBaak
17
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Posted - 2011.09.07 00:24:00 -
[99] - Quote
The new forums are terribroke, and here we are nearly on page 6 discussing that concept. So, I'm not seeing the anti-forum argument.
Regardless, CCP has proven historically that they don't care about aesthetic complaints (see in-game UI).
They will only respond to security threats. To that end, the OP proposes a reasonable albeit anarchic solution if you accept his POV.
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Nin Kimrov
Kenzi Arms and Munitions
20
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Posted - 2011.09.07 00:31:00 -
[100] - Quote
KaarBaak wrote: The new forums are terribroke, and here we are nearly on page 6 discussing that concept. So, I'm not seeing the anti-forum argument.
Regardless, CCP has proven historically that they don't care about aesthetic complaints (see in-game UI).
They will only respond to security threats. To that end, the OP proposes a reasonable albeit anarchic solution if you accept his POV.
Currently, does anyone know if CCP care about anything other than the other games they are developping? |
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Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
53
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Posted - 2011.09.07 01:12:00 -
[101] - Quote
Nin Kimrov wrote:KaarBaak wrote: The new forums are terribroke, and here we are nearly on page 6 discussing that concept. So, I'm not seeing the anti-forum argument.
Regardless, CCP has proven historically that they don't care about aesthetic complaints (see in-game UI).
They will only respond to security threats. To that end, the OP proposes a reasonable albeit anarchic solution if you accept his POV.
Currently, does anyone know if CCP care about anything other than the other games they are developping?
lol they dont even care about the games. Theyre "staying the course"
They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
13
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Posted - 2011.09.07 01:16:00 -
[102] - Quote
Richard Hammond II wrote:How do you change the background? Ive heard that you can This will help.
CCP Zulu.....Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
randomToon987
4
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Posted - 2011.09.07 01:50:00 -
[103] - Quote
I've spent some time today writing custom css for this terrible thing to at least make it usable. If you want img tags in sigs and posts go here.
This piece of crap still sucks. Some people at CCP web cell should get fired, but that won't happen because they're Hilmar's relatives. |
Reiisha
Veto. Veto Corp
4
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Posted - 2011.09.07 04:14:00 -
[104] - Quote
You know Hilmar, developers do not always know better than the customers. As a general rule, yes, but at the moment CCP is showing the exception to the rule....
Hubris! It's even in the WoD books for crying out loud. |
RUSROG
Beasts of Burden
45
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Posted - 2011.09.07 04:35:00 -
[105] - Quote
CopyCatz wrote:Where's the dislike button? I want to try it on your post.
If there was a 'dislike' button, it would discourage some people from posting stupid **** or asking silly questions - they would feel bad.
Then there would nothing to fuel EVE forums.
Do you really want that to happen?
Edit:
Testing filter
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Your tears fuel me. And as always, have nice day. |
Si Omega
45
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Posted - 2011.09.07 06:13:00 -
[106] - Quote
Quote:Anyway dood, tow the party line, remember the goons are all mad a CCP rite?
lolz @ this. Getting to be far too true ain't it.
2 camps on the forums atm.
Camp 1) I hate so you must too.
Camp 2) I like it and don't care that you don't. <<< Si Omega lives here |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
156
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Posted - 2011.09.07 06:16:00 -
[107] - Quote
Si Omega wrote:2 camps on the forums atm.
Camp 1) I hate so you must too.
Camp 2) I like it and hate you if you don't. <<< Si Omega lives here Fixed.
Oh, and your forgot Camp 3) Stop being stupid CCP. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
WeirdNoise
tagueuletoi
1
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Posted - 2011.09.07 06:18:00 -
[108] - Quote
Wow this is so kewl !!!!! I can see my avatar in big and shiny ! You're just haters... :))) Where's my Like button ?
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Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2011.09.07 06:21:00 -
[109] - Quote
Maybe for a pure forum junkie the ability to not maximize to full screen can be an issue. But when using the forum at work or from within the game I have no interest in it covering up all of my screen. There are tons of improvements here, a little loss of functionality but nothing that would make me prefer the old forum above this new one. Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |
DeBingJos
T.R.I.A.D
87
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Posted - 2011.09.07 06:22:00 -
[110] - Quote
The forums are not as bad as I expected. Look at the good things:
- You can subscribe to topics.
- We now have a search funcion.
The bad: (for me)
- The font is way to small (can be fixed in with CTRL +)
- It is a lot slower than before.
It this worth raging about? No Fix FW ! |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
156
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Posted - 2011.09.07 06:29:00 -
[111] - Quote
Jowen Datloran wrote:Maybe for a pure forum junkie the ability to not maximize to full screen can be an issue. But when using the forum at work or from within the game I have no interest in it covering up all of my screen. But that's the whole problem: you have no choice. You cannot make it take up your full screen, but neither can you make it take up just a part of it (and still be readable). The old ones could because they had some flexibility in the layout that no longer exist with this fixed design.
Moreover, the old forums had options to alter at least some basic design stuff and then the rest of the forums conformed to this choice. Now, you have neither that option, nor any kind of adjustment based on such options.
All you're left with is the suboptimal choice of either using exactly the window size CCP wants you to use, or to scroll around a lot.
GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
catinboots
Vintage heavy industries
1
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Posted - 2011.09.07 06:40:00 -
[112] - Quote
Akita and tippia the two biggest whinners of this community , it seem that according to those two ccp can do absolutely nothing right , everything ccp does or says is instantly critized by these two, no matter how well intended it is or how difficult it is to implement certain mechanics into the game, it just isn t good enough for them makes you wonder why they still bother with eve , If you both think you can do a better job why don t you apply for ajob with ccp or better why don t you start your own company and create your own mmom, i wonder how far you will go So this is permanence |
Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
77
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Posted - 2011.09.07 06:45:00 -
[113] - Quote
catinboots wrote:Akita and tippia the two biggest whinners of this community , it seem that according to those two ccp can do absolutely nothing right , everything ccp does or says is instantly critized by these two, no matter how well intended it is or how difficult it is to implement certain mechanics into the game, it just isn t good enough for them makes you wonder why they still bother with eve , If you both think you can do a better job why don t you apply for ajob with ccp or better why don t you start your own company and create your own mmom, i wonder how far you will go Wow this is a bad post. Don't do this again.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
156
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Posted - 2011.09.07 06:53:00 -
[114] - Quote
catinboots wrote:Akita and tippia the two biggest whinners of this community , it seem that according to those two ccp can do absolutely nothing right , everything ccp does or says is instantly critized by these two Maybe you should actually read what we write every now and then. Both Akita and I happen to be rather common targets for being called CCP apologistsGǪ
Quote:no matter how well intended Yeah, seeGǪ here's the thing. Intentions are nice and all but they are entirely worthless. What matters is execution. If I intend to give you a nice warm apple pie and instead give you third-degree burns all over your face, are you going to criticise my cooking or are you going to mumble Gǣoh, but he meant wellGǥ once you lip transplants heal?
Quote:makes you wonder why they still bother with eve Because we know CCP can do better than this. We've seen it.
GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Jita Alt666
186
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Posted - 2011.09.07 06:54:00 -
[115] - Quote
Magnus Orin wrote:I have rarely have seen a bad Akita T thread or even post. Sadly this is one.
Did you really just assume that the majority of users don't like the new forums simply because you don't like them for some random technical reasons?
They are shiny and they work. That's all that's really needed.
Compulsory: U don't get Goons reply
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DeBingJos
T.R.I.A.D
87
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Posted - 2011.09.07 06:54:00 -
[116] - Quote
catinboots wrote:Akita and tippia the two biggest whinners of this community , it seem that according to those two ccp can do absolutely nothing right , everything ccp does or says is instantly critized by these two, no matter how well intended it is or how difficult it is to implement certain mechanics into the game, it just isn t good enough for them makes you wonder why they still bother with eve , If you both think you can do a better job why don t you apply for ajob with ccp or better why don t you start your own company and create your own mmom, i wonder how far you will go
I suggest you read up on Tippia and Akita's posts then. Most of the time they are extremly well formulated. They belong to the few people on the forums that think before they post. Fix FW ! |
Jita Alt666
186
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Posted - 2011.09.07 06:57:00 -
[117] - Quote
Tippia wrote: Because we know CCP can do better than this. We've seen it.
Apocrapha. We came. We saw. We played. We loved.
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Tautut
UNFRL Fleet Operations CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
2
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Posted - 2011.09.07 07:04:00 -
[118] - Quote
Akita T wrote:Obviously, not one soul at CCP with some halfway serious pull has been taking any of the constructive (and neither some of the less constructive) criticism to heart, so in spite of the many, many, MANY complaints made towards the form and function of the new forums (or new new forums, or new patched new forums, or whatever you want to call them), since they're pretty much identical (maybe without some of the more glaring security holes) to what we used to have.
You can't seriously expect CCP to run everything by committee.
I'm pretty impressed by the new setup. Perhaps I'm easily pleased.
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Sellendis
The Ares project
6
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Posted - 2011.09.07 07:39:00 -
[119] - Quote
Tautut wrote:Akita T wrote:Obviously, not one soul at CCP with some halfway serious pull has been taking any of the constructive (and neither some of the less constructive) criticism to heart, so in spite of the many, many, MANY complaints made towards the form and function of the new forums (or new new forums, or new patched new forums, or whatever you want to call them), since they're pretty much identical (maybe without some of the more glaring security holes) to what we used to have.
You can't seriously expect CCP to run everything by committee. I'm pretty impressed by the new setup. Perhaps I'm easily pleased.
But can we ask for some QA about stuff they release? Do they even listen to their customers?
We are paying subs for internet spaceships, not primary for forums, barbies in (minmatar) jail and horror patch days that force you not to bother logging in for days after. All this stuff should be secondary, game-play first, fix goddamn hybrids, fix in-game problems (we have a lot of them).
If my employees let all known/reported bugs from test go live and screw up paying customers i would fire them or throw them into a volcano (i hear CCP has one nearby), it just goes to show how much attention Eve gets from CCP, like they barely make it work, release some crap that bugs all to **** and who cares....maybe they eventually patch it. |
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Fatal Ascension
55
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Posted - 2011.09.07 08:50:00 -
[120] - Quote
All I am saying, is get rid of Java.
Oh, and the ability to hide some of the forums would be nice(I don't want to dig through pages of item and character sales before getting to the forums worth reading) o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
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El'Niaga
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
42
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Posted - 2011.09.07 09:38:00 -
[121] - Quote
Wasted time really.
Seriously does anyone see this forum attracting people that the old one didn't?
If a move doesn't generate you more business, why do it. The only purpose of these forums was to get rid of the years of player comments and suggestions. Yeah they say they'll keep the old forums as archives, give it 6 months and they'll be hidden, another 6 and they'll be gone. |
Mistress Motion
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2011.09.07 11:52:00 -
[122] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Because we know CCP can do better than this. We've seen it.
Who are these "we" you are talking about? Stop acting like you are the one who knows what is best for everyone else. These forums are good enough, and lot better than old ones. Period. (see what i did here?) |
Cyniac
Twilight Star Rangers Black Thorne Alliance
5
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Posted - 2011.09.07 12:26:00 -
[123] - Quote
There is an upside to all this Akita - if the forums are finally considered to be "finished" in theory at least this will free up resources to get other things done.
Which begs the question - with limited CCP resources, would you allocate more resources to the forums, or are there other things which would rather see CCP work on?
The question itself is mostly rhetorical - CCP will do whatever they think they need to do. But I can think of a few other things which might benefit from attention more than the current implementation of the forums (even if I agree that these can definitely be improved, but then, so can most things) |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
33
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Posted - 2011.09.07 12:51:00 -
[124] - Quote
Akita T wrote:Obviously, not one soul at CCP with some halfway serious pull has been taking any of the constructive (and neither some of the less constructive) criticism to heart.
So, it's obvious CCP doesn't care. Why do you? Not trolling you. But seriously, why?
We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Lens Thirring
6
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Posted - 2011.09.07 13:05:00 -
[125] - Quote
Cyniac wrote:There is an upside to all this Akita - if the forums are finally considered to be "finished" in theory at least this will free up resources to get other things done.
Which begs the question - with limited CCP resources, would you allocate more resources to the forums, or are there other things which would rather see CCP work on? Unallocated resources? Now that we've debugged the software, according to usual operating procedure the web team can disappear to build Dust forums, and WoD doesn't even have a web page yet. Plenty to keep them busy. Keep those feature requests for when you see them again in 2013. |
Prince Kobol
40
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Posted - 2011.09.07 13:12:00 -
[126] - Quote
and CCP care this much <-->
Okay probably that not much but hey
also what is the tea boy meant to do whilst not serving tea ? At least they put him to some use |
Mirime Nolwe
APOCALYPSE LEGION The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4
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Posted - 2011.09.07 13:19:00 -
[127] - Quote
My god.. You people whine about everything. Its impossible to please everyone, and we all know the game is reaching the crap level but whine about something that deserve it. I don't give a damn if some forum trolls cant get online in the cellphones or whatever crap you have. Worry about the game instead and how CCP can improve it (if they really want to do that) |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
168
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Posted - 2011.09.07 13:29:00 -
[128] - Quote
Mistress Motion wrote:Who are these "we" you are talking about? Read the post you quoted and it becomes abundantly clear.
Quote:These forums are good enough, and lot better than old ones. These forums are good enough. So were the old ones. Every improvement made is accompanied by a degradation in some other area. Net effect: no real change.
Mirime Nolwe wrote:My god.. You people whine about everything. No. Only about ineptitude. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Mirime Nolwe
APOCALYPSE LEGION The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4
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Posted - 2011.09.07 13:40:00 -
[129] - Quote
No Tippia, people whine about everything atm. The old forum and this one are full of trolls, i miss the time where it was enjoyable to read most of the threads, now it's almost impossible to find something worth the time to read and answer. People have the right to complain but god.. the trolling is just too much and the lack of moderation doesn't help as well.
I-¦m also unsatisfied with the current state of the game and the near future but lets try to be a little more coherent with the complaint. |
Ana Vyr
63
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Posted - 2011.09.07 13:46:00 -
[130] - Quote
I prefer the new forums over the old, but Akita certainly has a point about missing features. Does anyone know if CCP has washed their hands of this now, or do they plan to iterate on it? |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
168
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Posted - 2011.09.07 13:48:00 -
[131] - Quote
Mirime Nolwe wrote:No Tippia, people whine about everything atm. Then maybe you should be a bit more careful about throwing that Gǣyou peopleGǥ around. Maybe change it to Gǣus peopleGǥ since you're doing it tooGǪ
Quote:People have the right to complain but god.. the trolling is just too much and the lack of moderation doesn't help as well. Funnily enough, a lot of the trolling is from the GÇ£stop complainingGÇ¥ camp, since that's they have to compensate for their decided lack of arguments for obviously substandard feature releases.
Ana Vyr wrote:I prefer the new forums over the old, but Akita certainly has a point about missing features. Does anyone know if CCP has washed their hands of this now, or do they plan to iterate on it? Some iterations have been mentioned, but the question really remains: why is it happening now, not in February when the problems were first identified and communicated? What have they been doing the last half year? Why were they released to begin with in spite of the many well-reported issues?
We could have had a fully functional and worthy replacement forum by now, but their going off half-cocked and having to fix things after the fact has obviously slowed things down. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Mocam
EVE University Ivy League
4
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Posted - 2011.09.07 14:07:00 -
[132] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Si Omega wrote:2 camps on the forums atm.
Camp 1) I hate so you must too.
Camp 2) I like it and hate you if you don't. <<< Si Omega lives here Fixed. Oh, and your forgot Camp 3) Stop being stupid CCP.
No - try again.
I like it well enough and really don't care if you don't. Hate you for not liking it? That's way too intense. Annoyed - especially after your "repost" with the mix of personal preferences tossed into it... That is a far more fitting description.
The simple truth of the matter is that many will like it and many others won't - no matter how they change it. Like everything CCP releases of late, they aren't finished with this yet. They don't seem to release "finished works" anymore - just "beta" style works in progress so we'll all just have to see what they do here in the future.
You'll probably see some of what you are looking for but I doubt you'll get all of that list filled. At least I hope not, I'd hate to lose some functionality to appease your sense of proper design. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
168
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Posted - 2011.09.07 14:11:00 -
[133] - Quote
Mocam wrote:[No - try again.
I like it well enough and really don't care if you don't. Hate you for not liking it? That's way too intense. GǪand yet, that is exactly the sentiment the whinerwhiners express.
Quote:Like everything CCP releases of late, they aren't finished with this yet. They don't seem to release "finished works" anymore - just "beta" style works in progress so we'll all just have to see what they do here in the future. Which would be nice and all if they were in any way receptive of comments and suggestions. That is the whole issue: that they put on this grand show about collecting feedback and input, and then route it to /dev/null, release something that is as obviously broken as when the first test iteration came out, and then you have to yell at them to get any kind of iteration to happen. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Sellendis
The Ares project
7
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Posted - 2011.09.07 14:25:00 -
[134] - Quote
Mirime Nolwe wrote:No Tippia, people whine about everything atm. The old forum and this one are full of trolls, i miss the time where it was enjoyable to read most of the threads, now it's almost impossible to find something worth the time to read and answer. People have the right to complain but god.. the trolling is just too much and the lack of moderation doesn't help as well.
I-¦m also unsatisfied with the current state of the game and the near future but lets try to be a little more coherent with the complaint.
Of course people whine and "troll", show me a progress CCP did lately on the game.
CQ does nothing old hangar view didn't do better, faster and with less CPU/GPU load. We were asking about old hangar view option since CQ hit Duality, no DEV/GM answer, then it hits Sisi, we ask again and still silence, it hits TQ and they tell us its gone forever. We got no answer for months and then we got forced into a static door or CQ. And CCP said the "door" is only temporary option, in future we couldn't even chose.
Every time they patch 1 thing, they break 5 more. They re-introduce "fail-forum" they spent 72.000 hours re-skinning i guess that does nothing old forums didn't do, but in the process they remove images (again), give us fixed width that is crap and a "like" option that makes me think we are turning into facebook.
I will be the first to applaud when they do something for community, and not release "fails" on every occasion. But where is game content? Show me internet spaceship content that we are playing/paying this game for.
I dont mind new forums, i dont mind Eve Gate, i dont mind CQ (even tho i would like old hangar as an option), but i mind when we get everything aside the things we need...and that is game fixes and QA on future content/patches. |
Alice Katsuko
Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing
8
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Posted - 2011.09.07 15:23:00 -
[135] - Quote
Keep in mind that these forums also eat posts due to bad javascript. |
Sexy Moped
Order of New Eden
3
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Posted - 2011.09.07 15:35:00 -
[136] - Quote
(Gò»-¦Gûí-¦n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ your respect is meaningless, and i only represent my constituents - not crybabies with entitlement complexes
-The Mittani 17.07.2011 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1549785&page=6#158 |
Rasz Lin
3
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Posted - 2011.09.07 15:56:00 -
[137] - Quote
oh but I LOVE all this pointless javascript i like how every opened forum tab keeps refreshing in the background eating my bandwidth and cpu ... |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
328
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Posted - 2011.09.07 18:48:00 -
[138] - Quote
Tippia wrote:That is the whole issue: that they put on this grand show about collecting feedback and input, and then route it to /dev/null, release something that is as obviously broken as when the first test iteration came out, and then you have to yell at them to get any kind of iteration to happen. If only yelling helped. Lately, it's as if they're in total Cartman style "screw you guys, I'm going home" mode. :le sigh:
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection |
Salpun
Paramount Commerce Masters of Flying Objects
28
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Posted - 2011.09.10 01:18:00 -
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Akita could you please restart the 1000 paper cuts project with a link to the old ones in it. If you include both "papercuts" and "paper cuts" in the bodie people will be able to find it easier. I would start it but you deserve the honor.
This thread is mainly about the forums which is good but people will look for 1000 papercuts becouse that is what is on the old forums and got a lot of play by CCP at fanfest.
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Demon Azrakel
Defiant.. Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.09.10 01:31:00 -
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My biggest complaint is the whole lack of images.
GG CCP, lets remove functionality and call it an improvement...
(This applies to the game as well, not the forums...) |
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