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Dowla Daupor
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2012.02.06 01:42:00 -
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You should join RvB, high efficiency pretty much just means you're poor here. |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2917
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Posted - 2012.02.06 01:50:00 -
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Dark Drifter wrote:[
look mittani. to be brutally honest the OP has stated a 100% true fact.
"overlords" do decide to kull their "pets", and all the time these "pets" are paying you, the "overlord" to not whimsically drop 300 super-caps on to them just because you are board, or have decided that you want the system back now that they have ground it up for you....
this kinda stuff happens all the time.
i will agree with others in this thread that yes PVP elitism is a bad thing for eve. but when that 0.0 alliance sez yes we are leet pvp all i have to do to guage their legitimacy is check their KBs and lol at the 300 ships it took to kill that one T3 or ratting BS. . .
the only place in the galaxy where there's still a master/renter/pet system is the northeast drone zone, don't go there vOv
The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
Alaric Faelen
Black Rebel Rifter Club
68
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Posted - 2012.02.06 04:53:00 -
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I wanted to agree.
Oh null sec is full of idiot alliance chiefs. People with more alts than RL friends and who think you learn leadership from a skillbook in a game. BC blobs, treating other players as little more than alts that talk.........I'm with you there. Null bears with more SP than social skills.
But, at least in my experience, it's not quite so elitist as all that either. More than a list of KM's a mile long, the right attitude goes a long way. Humility helps too- rather than think you're more than just another pilot try force of will and personality.
I heard that a bunch in null alliance- people that think no one wants them if they aren't self-sufficient (if you were, then what do you need the alliance for anyway??) and flying supercaps. Sure, if you have the SP. Otherwise, you're a small fish in a big pond and thinking you're on that level is pointless.
Good shopping around, but have the right mentality to go with it. I've yet to see anyone care more about kill ratios than activity in fleets. Just maybe there's more to the story........... |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
44
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Posted - 2012.02.06 06:44:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:the only place in the galaxy where there's still a master/renter/pet system is the northeast drone zone, don't go there vOv
What will happen to them when the drones get changed? Will a lot of masterless pets return to the joy of isk faucts known as hisec incursions?
Dark Drifter wrote:heavily smack in local
boast about the faction fitted T3 they killed
Aww man, sounds like I made some sort of bad life-critical decision.
Valei Khurelem wrote:I had some stupid **** come along and say he'd let me and my corp fly in their space for 16% tax, why the hell should high sec players play by your rules?
Wait, by that metric, I think we're all pets over here. Isn't that a normal tax rate?
The Mittani wrote:OVERLORDS
MEATGRINDERS
sounds like you basically have no idea what you're talking about and read too much eve-o
No one does a meatgrinder like goons! All forces of ~elite pvp~ love coming to play attrition warfare. |
Kumq uat
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
95
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Posted - 2012.02.06 07:11:00 -
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I don't really have this issue even if my kill board is less than stellar. I think you are talking to the wrong people. |
OT Smithers
Cult of Baal
43
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Posted - 2012.02.06 07:27:00 -
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Such a serious thread... lol
Just grab a frigate, go out to low, poke around and talk to people. Tell them you are a new PvP pilot and want to learn. Some might laugh, but whatever. It won't take you long to find someone if you are pleasant and don't smack talk like a dipshit.
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Revii Lagoon
The Foreign Legion
Test Alliance Please Ignore
20
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Posted - 2012.02.06 08:00:00 -
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If you find a corp that cares more about kb stats than actually learning if you would be a good fit for their corp, you should probably keep looking. Good corps are always out there, you just need to find them. If things don't work out, you can always move on to a new corp. Many of us null sec dwellers have had long histories from differnet corps / alliances because stuff happened and you chose too leave. |
Citizen Smif
Comply Or Die
69
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Posted - 2012.02.06 10:29:00 -
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I don't know what corps you've been applying for but they sound pretty arsey.. I had a **** KB, like 37-40% but I had no problem joining a PvP corp. I get small gang fights every night without fail and my KB is slowly coming back up to 50% mark overall. 0.0 corps take themselves a bit too seriously, if you're looking for low sec PvP apply for this corp - we're taking applications at the moment.
If you're finding every corp your applying for is turning you down then maybe your standards are too high. There are plenty of good PvP corps out there, your clearly trying to apply for elite zomg wtf pwnage corps.. And unfortunately for them you don't quite cut the mark. Don't overexagerate the problem though, just keep looking. |
Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION
Tactical Narcotics Team
32
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Posted - 2012.02.06 12:30:00 -
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With a lot of decent people, it's not so much efficiency but more about activity. Efficiency whores aren't fun to play with. Pad out your kb stats with activity and it should look a lot better than just 0 kills and 0 losses. Dying in a fire trying to get kills looks a lot better than sitting around on your arse waiting for kills to come to you. Like many have suggested, get in a frigate, ruffle some feathers and someone might actually take notice.
But if you're looking for ~elite pvp~ maybe you should join test  |
Plutonian
Intransigent
78
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Posted - 2012.02.06 16:59:00 -
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Citizen Smif wrote:If you're finding every corp your applying for is turning you down then maybe your standards are too high. There are plenty of good PvP corps out there, your clearly trying to apply for elite zomg wtf pwnage corps.. And unfortunately for them you don't quite cut the mark. Don't overexagerate the problem though, just keep looking.
I'd rather be in a corp that gets its ass kicked on a daily basis, and has fun doing it, than any super-elite pvp-pwnage corp.
Players seeking wild fun do not mix well with serious business spaceship types.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
726
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Posted - 2012.02.06 17:02:00 -
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Letzlin Schaneger wrote:If there is one thing that has been imbued upon me as a new player (Or at least, a player which is well and truly done with Incursions and Market PvP) it's the importance of maintaining a good killboard. If you don't have a 80%+ ratio, no one worth flying with, will want to fly with you.
I know, right!
Get rid of kill boards and EVE will be one step closer to being a much better game.
Mr Epeen 
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
gfldex
314
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Posted - 2012.02.06 17:03:00 -
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Letzlin Schaneger wrote:It's a very tough cycle to break, and I was wondering if anyone had any advice on what I could reasonably do to step up and above the rest?
Stop whining and start doing.
The game has a tutorial that gives you a mining laser and a railgun and tells you to go shoot rocks and red crosses. It teaches you nothing else. It's been that way for 8 years, so are you really surprised that there are people who aren't aware that this is a pvp game? --Jafit McJafitson |
Tithi
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.02.06 18:18:00 -
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Make friends with people is my advice. KB stats can be overlooked if you are nice and have a good attitude. |
Phony v2
Dark Circle Enforcement
0
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Posted - 2012.02.06 19:07:00 -
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I have been playing for 9 years in may. One thing I've learned of that time is that you can always find a fun corp to fly with. You just have to look. Even when making a new alt that has no connection to my main I still have found fun PVP corp's to fly with. So just keep looking they are out there. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
2782
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Posted - 2012.02.06 19:15:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:And expecting new players to spread their training across a wide variety of ships is dumb. At present the Drake is the lowest common denominator allowing effectiveness in a variety of roles. Experience comes in time and is unrealistic to expect a noob to have it in buckets. Willingness is far more important and if you are going to defend high efficiency as important then you are simply bad.
Well said
The virtues of a new player should be energy and enterprise, not the efficiency stats
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises
Purpose Built
563
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Posted - 2012.02.06 19:15:00 -
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I personally think I have a great ratio.
Almost 92%.... deaths... hmm yeah... |
Kaeda Maxwell
Black Rebel Rifter Club
49
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Posted - 2012.02.06 20:02:00 -
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Confirming I am in a corp that does not give a rats ass about your killboard stats. |
Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
463
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Posted - 2012.02.06 20:42:00 -
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second Tolate wrote: If you don't have a 80%+ ratio, no one worth flying with, will want to fly with you.
This is what Pubbies actually believe. |
Tian Nu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
44
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Posted - 2012.02.06 20:47:00 -
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for the OP why you want to play eve whith someone else any way play it solo handle you self.
and if you want corp make youre own one make alts if you want the MMO feel like gameplay.
One of my good friends in game actualy play solo boxing 13 caracters i some time run incursions whith him and is funny lloking at one solo guy doing it all by himself tumbs up.
Father O'Malley about Darius III begging for whelp:
GÇ£Hows that working out for ya ? I make it 02:21 and all I see is you begging Riverini to get numbers and trying to recruit from the incursion public channel.GÇ¥ |
Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
463
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Posted - 2012.02.06 20:50:00 -
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Nephilius
Grey Legionaires
309
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Posted - 2012.02.06 20:57:00 -
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Guthris wrote:People are so obsessed with killboard stats...
Just get rid of killmails all together and it will fix the attitude some people have in this game
I don't think they should be completely done away with, but I do believe that only one person should get the killmail. That person is the one who gets the killing strike.
I realize that losing isn't always fun, but the mentality that you can have fun only if you win has become the common mindset today. I think that is one of the bigger impediments to PvP today. Ironically, no one is born elite, they had to work and train to get there. Since winning is such a huge requirement, I think it discourages a lot of people from jumping in that pot and learning how to PvP effectively. People like me who have a bad loss or something like that are hosed before we even get a chance.
I'm not elite, I wouldn't even say I'm great. So that's why I just play my own game and go on. In that, the only one who can disappoint me is myself. I enjoying my time now because of that.
To stand before a man at an inquisition, knowing that he will rejoice when we die, knowing that he will commit us to the stake and its horrors without a moment's hesitation or remorse if we do not satisfy him, is not an experience much less cruel because our inquisitor does not whip us or rack us or shout at us. |
Allyia Base
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.02.06 22:32:00 -
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Nephilius wrote:Guthris wrote:People are so obsessed with killboard stats...
Just get rid of killmails all together and it will fix the attitude some people have in this game I don't think they should be completely done away with, but I do believe that only one person should get the killmail. That person is the one who gets the killing strike.
Look at how dumb you are. |
Terbulus
Everlasting Forge
Imperial Ascension
0
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Posted - 2012.02.06 23:19:00 -
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having a super high kill ratio means you are afraid to fight against the odds. |
Liz Laser
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.02.07 01:08:00 -
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The only things that matter in null-sec is attitude and participation.
I have a 98 or 99% killboard efficiency and I can truthfully say I'm only as good as my FCs. They planned good campaigns, ran good ops, I showed up, and did what I was told.
The key to happiness in null-sec is just finding mates who are available when you are whose company you enjoy. You'll meet people from other corps once you're out there. Keep in touch with the ones you enjoy flying with. They may drag you to new corps, later.
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NaturalBeast
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.02.07 05:00:00 -
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Liz Laser wrote:The only things that matter in null-sec is attitude and participation.
I have a 98 or 99% killboard efficiency and I can truthfully say I'm only as good as my FCs. They planned good campaigns, ran good ops, I showed up, and did what I was told.
The key to happiness in null-sec is just finding mates who are available when you are whose company you enjoy. You'll meet people from other corps once you're out there. Keep in touch with the ones you enjoy flying with. They may drag you to new corps, later.
This 1000%
Back in the day when I had ooodles of free time, loved 0.0 life. Yeah, Killboard stats were looked at and you didn't want to get caught and killed in your ratting ship too often. Then there was the alliance guys who actually avoid reporting intel to try and hog kills. Those were the assholes you knew were going to be trouble and they were. In the end you teamed up with guys you trusted and had fun.
If you have the tenacity, start your own corp and then go hunt down the corps that rejected you. |
Jazzmyn
The Ghost Division
4
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Posted - 2012.02.07 08:13:00 -
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I cant see whats wrong with 10 man derp corporation? 
1) even if u are beginner, u could probably shine in that corp
2) if u fly cheap ships its impossible to do permanent damage to your killboard efficiency realy
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