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Letzlin Schaneger
Crypsus
Tetsuo Shio
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Posted - 2012.02.05 10:26:00 -
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If there is one thing that has been imbued upon me as a new player (Or at least, a player which is well and truly done with Incursions and Market PvP) it's the importance of maintaining a good killboard. If you don't have a 80%+ ratio, no one worth flying with, will want to fly with you.
So clearly a bad killboard is something I wish to go to great lengths to avoid, and given that any mistake made will haunt you for the rest of your EVE career, or even make you completely unhireable if your losses are particularly unfortunate, not to mention my leisure time is valuable and I don't want to waste it with fools. In light of this, why would I want to join a corporation which is, or at least is operated with anything less than:
Activity.
Competence.
Experience.
And so far my experiences of trying to find a good group for the past month have consisted of 3 main experiences and 1 minor:
"Sorry, no PvP kills, no recruitment. Get 200 kills and a 90% ratio then come back and we will talk." - That's fair enough. If I was sat at the top of the pile I would probably ask for the very same out of my recruits.
"Come fly in my 10 man derp corporation. We're active in EU TZ and hardcore mercenaries!" http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=corp&name=Psychic+Genocide Oh Dear.
"Come be a mindless drone in my 0.0 renter alliance. Be prepared to be thrown into the meatgrinder by our overlords, suffer under a 20% tax and have your ships and assets locked without notice!" - Sounds unappealing, but is sadly the best offer in the table at the moment.
And then my favourite which I have had twice now when actually approaching a decent group that is willing to accept new players. "Sorry, despite having your API history which is cleaner than a saint and having spoken to you extensively over the past few days, people who have less than 10 million skillpoints and level 5 in logistics and decent ECM skills are obvious spies (?!?). You're a threat and I can't recruit you."
So, because I have actually taken steps to make myself more useful and recruitable, it actually works against me, because anyone who wants to fly a ship which isn't for dealing damage is clearly criminally insane or a spy. Of course the explanation "I did incursions. I didn't need offensive skills to do damage as I was most useful as a logistics pilot." holds no sway.
So now I am between a rock and a hard place. I am either doomed to spend weeks in fleets with incompetent knucledraggers umm'ing and arr'ing over aggro mechanics praying that we kill at least 2 ships before I die.
I can either be a cog in a giant all consuming alliance and hope that I can get my name on enough kills before the power shifts and our renter alliance gets chewed out.
Or I can stick a cloaking device on my Tengu and go Rambo in some low-sec system for a few months.
It's a very tough cycle to break, and I was wondering if anyone had any advice on what I could reasonably do to step up and above the rest? Those sitting in awesome PvP corps that have heroic battles against innumerable odds, where did you start? What would be your advise for an up and comer?
On a side note, if you do fly in a competent corporation that needs more competent, self sufficient Logistics/ECM/Tengu/Drake pilots do let me know. |
Humidor Cigarillo
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Posted - 2012.02.05 10:36:00 -
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Letzlin Schaneger wrote:Logistics/ECM/Tengu/Drake pilot.
Found your problem. |
ACE McFACE
Acetech Systems
570
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Posted - 2012.02.05 10:36:00 -
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Most of those e-peen corps are terrible anyway, the only way they get thier magic effieciency is by can baiting and blobbing
Real men wear goggles and a Navy shirt! |
Letzlin Schaneger
Crypsus
Tetsuo Shio
0
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Posted - 2012.02.05 10:38:00 -
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Confirming that Scimitars, Tengus and ECM are practically unused in PvP.... Hmm, wait, no that's not quite right is it? :) |
Humidor Cigarillo
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Posted - 2012.02.05 10:42:00 -
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Letzlin Schaneger wrote:Confirming that Scimitars, Tengus and ECM are practically unused in PvP.... Hmm, wait, no that's not quite right is it? :)
By those meatgrinder alliances you want to avoid, they are used a lot.
By those elite pvp corps you want to join, not so much.
Of course I assume there that you won't be capable of simply flying a tengu into fights all the time. If you can actually afford to do that, you might just be !elitepvp material. |
CausticS0da
Viziam
Amarr Empire
33
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Posted - 2012.02.05 10:47:00 -
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What's all this about 20% tax and locked assets?
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Letzlin Schaneger
Crypsus
Tetsuo Shio
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Posted - 2012.02.05 10:48:00 -
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Humidor Cigarillo wrote: Of course I assume there that you won't be capable of simply flying a tengu into fights all the time. If you can actually afford to do that, you might just be !elitepvp material.
Well, I did just play the markets and do incursions for the past 5 months. Let's just say I am comfortable.
If it is the case that those sorts of ships aren't frequently used by good small gangs, what should I look at training in to?
CausticS0da wrote:What's all this about 20% tax and locked assets?
If you space gets conquered or if your overlords decide they don't like you any more, that's it, you are locked out of your station and can't access your assets. And in order to pay the rent for the system some of the renter corps I have spoken to have operated a 15-20% tax. |
second Tolate
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.02.05 10:49:00 -
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If you don't have a 80%+ ratio, no one worth flying with, will want to fly with you.
apparently you have a standart too, why shouldn't others?
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Plutonian
Intransigent
76
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Posted - 2012.02.05 10:50:00 -
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Letzlin Schaneger wrote:If there is one thing that has been imbued upon me as a new player (Or at least, a player which is well and truly done with Incursions and Market PvP) it's the importance of maintaining a good killboard. If you don't have a 80%+ ratio, no one worth flying with, will want to fly with you.
Holy crap. I haven't posted kills or losses in two years. 
Guess no one ever want to fly with me... 
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Humidor Cigarillo
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Posted - 2012.02.05 10:51:00 -
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Letzlin Schaneger wrote:If it is the case that those sorts of ships aren't frequently used by good small gangs, what should I look at training in to?
Look at your target corp's killboard losses, that should give you an idea. I'd hazard a guess most of them will be hurricanes, various angel ships, tornados, and a smattering of some new fotm assault frigates. |
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Letzlin Schaneger
Crypsus
Tetsuo Shio
0
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Posted - 2012.02.05 10:52:00 -
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second Tolate wrote: If you don't have a 80%+ ratio, no one worth flying with, will want to fly with you.
apparently you have a standart too, why shouldn't others?
Next time actually read my post and notice where I didn't say anything at all to the contrary, and actually went on to say they have every right to maintain that policy and that I would if I was in their shoes. |
second Tolate
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.02.05 10:55:00 -
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Letzlin Schaneger wrote:second Tolate wrote: If you don't have a 80%+ ratio, no one worth flying with, will want to fly with you.
apparently you have a standart too, why shouldn't others?
Next time actually read my post and notice where I didn't say anything at all to the contrary, and actually went on to say they have every right to maintain that policy and that I would if I was in their shoes.
just that sentence implies that so learn to make your ideas clearer!
doesnt matter how you twist it, you want to fly with good pvpers cuz thats what you want, others have the right to have the same sentiment, isn't it a free world even in eve?
if you suck and someone has standart why would they want to fly with you?dont they have the choice for that??
you imply that others should play your way and not have the freedom to play as they want!
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Letzlin Schaneger
Crypsus
Tetsuo Shio
0
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Posted - 2012.02.05 11:01:00 -
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second Tolate wrote: just that sentence implies that so learn to make your ideas clearer!
doesnt matter how you twist it, you want to fly with good pvpers cuz thats what you want, others have the right to have the same sentiment, isn't it a free world even in eve?
Well, obviously I want to fly with good PvPers, but nowhere did I say I was entitled to transcend their rules, please note 3 paragraphs down.
""Sorry, no PvP kills, no recruitment. Get 200 kills and a 90% ratio then come back and we will talk." - That's fair enough. If I was sat at the top of the pile I would probably ask for the very same out of my recruits."
It's called context sensitivity. Sure, quoting odd things I say as stand alone statements will portray a point that furthers you ends to rage at strangers over the Internet, but it doesn't necessarily, or even at all give an honest representation of what I am saying.
You are mistaking "If you don't have a 80%+ ratio, no one worth flying with, will want to fly with you." as a whine. It's not. It's a statement. |
Sicex
49
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Posted - 2012.02.05 11:03:00 -
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Confirming that killboards killed EVE. |
Guthris
The Shard Restaurant
18
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Posted - 2012.02.05 11:04:00 -
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People are so obsessed with killboard stats...
Just get rid of killmails all together and it will fix the attitude some people have in this game |
second Tolate
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.02.05 11:09:00 -
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Letzlin Schaneger wrote:second Tolate wrote: just that sentence implies that so learn to make your ideas clearer!
doesnt matter how you twist it, you want to fly with good pvpers cuz thats what you want, others have the right to have the same sentiment, isn't it a free world even in eve?
Well, obviously I want to fly with good PvPers, but nowhere did I say I was entitled to transcend their rules, please note 3 paragraphs down. ""Sorry, no PvP kills, no recruitment. Get 200 kills and a 90% ratio then come back and we will talk." - That's fair enough. If I was sat at the top of the pile I would probably ask for the very same out of my recruits." It's called context sensitivity. Sure, quoting odd things I say as stand alone statements will portray a point that furthers you ends to rage at strangers over the Internet, but it doesn't necessarily, or even at all give an honest representation of what I am saying. You are mistaking "If you don't have a 80%+ ratio, no one worth flying with, will want to fly with you." as a whine. It's not. It's a statement.
point being you want other to behave your way without giving them the freedom to do what they want even if you want to call it "context sensitivity"!
dont force others you ways
adapt or die to quote some old eve corp ;) |
Sicex
49
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Posted - 2012.02.05 11:11:00 -
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To address both points of contention when killboards first arrived on the scene... Yes, killboards provide invaluable stats and intel (both positive and negative, a blockage and a leak) but what if we were all ignorant to it anyway? Would it matter as much? What if intel actually had to be earned and collected again, like it used to be.
Is it so wrong to dream of an Eden where a pilot's own rep as a killer is tied more to his or her terrifying portrait and mere presence in local rather than some database numbers sets of his EXACT performance?
Such is the crux of this argument... maybe it's time to have it again.
Is EVE mature enough today to have this argument? |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
2775
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Posted - 2012.02.05 11:13:00 -
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The answer is that you start at the bottom and work your way up. As you yourself have pointed out, the "good" corps are that way because they exclude people who haven't yet proved themselves.
BTW, genuinely good PvP corps won't worry overmuch about the pure K:D ratio. If most of your kills are solo or have just a few ships on the mail, then a K:D of 60% is much better indicator of competence than a K:D of 90% purely derived from large fleet actions. And if you choose to specialise in interceptors and interdictors then you can pretty much expect to lose a ship in almost every engagement, but no PvP group worth it's salt will turn away a competent tackler; there's never enough tackle! Likewise a logistics pilot will probably have a mediocre K:D at best - in fact a high K:D can actually be a sign of a bad logi pilot: one who is spending too much effort on whoring on KMs and not enough on repping his fleetmates.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Steve Celeste
Wolfsbrigade
18
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Posted - 2012.02.05 11:15:00 -
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"Experienced Logi 5 Scimi pilot looking for PVP corp"
Post that on recruitment and you easily get into a good/decent pvp corp. |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Whack-A-Mole
59
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Posted - 2012.02.05 11:16:00 -
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Best way imo, and not the shortest, is get an alt...buy one if you have to thats mostly BC and under based with as many races and styles and flavors as you can afford to have. Spend a few hundred mil to a few billion on ships and fittings. Standard stuff, nothing pricey, nothing better than t2. Fly that alt and those ships into the ground. FW, Pirating, ganking, you name it you do it. You get your 1000 fights in. Doesnt matter if you lose 90% of them. You do a self eval on EVERY fight. Fraps for personal use later to determine mistakes or successes. But you LEARN. Talk to your victims as well as those who beat you. Again you LEARN.
Then create a toon, taking the best ships and fittings you learned in your alt quest, and build his combat record to a near perfect record. Then start using the best ships and fittings beyond what you were before, pirate faction ships and t3s, into combat and win nearly 100% of the time.
You wont have any issues with PvP or applications afterwards.
Other way is doing it with one toon. Again it takes time cuz in the early years youll lose more than you win and spend time fighting alone or with chumps more often than not. You log into Eve and you get into a fight within 30 mins of logging in. You fight all day every day. How do you make isk you ask? Well you need alts for that or you pay for it with cold hard cash selling plexs and youll need to sell a shitton of them to do it. Either way works.
The first you end up with fewer kills but much better kills, many solo or small groups because your initial losses are hidden by your alt. The second you end up with many fights on your record including many losses but youll have the same amount of raw fights and raw experience under your belt.
Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak.
http://tinyurl.com/YarrFace |
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Shazzam Vokanavom
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
61
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Posted - 2012.02.05 11:16:00 -
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You could go play King of the Newb Pile in Arnon, seems even the best scoreboards are built with some representation of KB padding. Also as a bonus you get to learn smacktalk level 5 at the same time. |
Implying Implications
Broski Enterprises
Elite Space Guild
17
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Posted - 2012.02.05 11:28:00 -
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My ~killboard efficiency~! |
Liam Mirren
236
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Posted - 2012.02.05 11:30:00 -
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When it comes to pvp there's just a few types of people.
- Most people are idiots (renters, bears and non-effort lazy fcks)
- most people think they're good but are still idiots, blobbing it up like lemmings (most 0.0 alliances)
- some actually are decent but lack age/wisdom/sense (larger PVP entities, wannabes)
- only a very select few are actually good and are able to look beyond K:D ratio, they actually notice that you tend to fly solo while having good fits and get cool kills and fights while only losing to blobs or very uneven fights. (very select few small gang/solo PVP corps).
The first two you want to avoid, the third you can get into simply based on stats (which doesn't necessarily mean anything) and tends to be full of Aholes and annoying people. The last type is the truly good one, you get into those by BEING good, not by looking good.
If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right.
My guides: http://mirren.freeforums.org |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
8
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Posted - 2012.02.05 11:37:00 -
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You maybe right, but I'd not care too much about that.
Killboards don't promote PvP they promote ganking.
Killboards are what the kids like as they can boast to each other about how great a PvPer they are.
I'd like to see killboards gone myself as I don't think they do the game any favours in general. |
Roxwar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2012.02.05 11:40:00 -
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Well being newer to EVE than yourself OP, i'm not finding any of the problems you've posted in trying to find a PVP corp to join.
Granted, im still in my starter NPC corp, but its not from lack of offers.
I do admit i'm taking my time choosing where to go as i do prefer to find somewhere and stick with them permenently and give 100% and i dont want to be one of those 12month old players with a corp history 20 long.
At the moment i'm trying to prove myself usefull to 1 of the corps i'd like to join, one that has pretty high min requirements to join, and after speaking with them in their public channel over a few days and eventually finding out what it is i need to be deemed usefull to them - keeping in mind taking somebody like me on board and teaching me up requires time and effort on their part, time and effort they dont nessessarily have spare, and needing to be sure im not a spy of some sort - and going away to meet those requirements in order for me to be even considered seriously.
I dont think Killboards have much to do with it really, my killboard sucks ass to be honest, but i think its more about attitude to this game and not being averse to losing millions on ships everyday.
To me, losing ships means im having fun, and having fun is what playing a game is all about with the added bonus of making some great friends in the process hopefully.
I dont hide my lack of skills in EVE upto now, but i do want to learn and by losing ships like i do, so long as i take something from each loss and i learned where i went wrong or how to avoid it next time, i think eventually i'll get where i want to be.
A good PVP'er who is an asset to his corp/Alliance.
http://roxwar.blogspot.com/ |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
327
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Posted - 2012.02.05 11:44:00 -
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Okay. I read the 1st two paragraphs and this quote popped into my head, "Why so serious?"
Sure, it's cool to be all focused on your hobby and make a big deal out of things, but your problem is in the 1st two paragraphs.
I make a habit of dying. I love dying. It's what I'm good at! Some guy doesn't like that? Eat my nose. This is my EVE.
Also, get rid of killboards, add achievements. Problem solved.
Fly Safe, Die Hard
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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
384
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Posted - 2012.02.05 13:19:00 -
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Okay, I read the first paragraph......
Look man, the fact that people in this game have some crazy insane kill ratios means one of two things: 1) They've either padded their KB with lame POS kills or 2) they've padded their KB with lame kills like HS docking games where the entirety of Jita local comes to their aid as neutral reppers.
I figure, as long as you're maintaining a positive KB who cares about the rest?
We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
1336
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Posted - 2012.02.05 13:24:00 -
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Stop wanting to be a sheep ?
I mean, seriously, joining corps like these isn't even worth the consideration.
Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Miss Whippy
Bloody Limeys
60
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Posted - 2012.02.05 13:26:00 -
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Thing is, an 80+% kill ratio is a false economy anyway. All it means if you pick fights you can't lose. I'd rather have pilots who throw themselves into battles they can't possibly win, just for the lolz. |
Midori Tsu
Evolution
102
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Posted - 2012.02.05 13:34:00 -
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Maybe you're just looking at the wrong corps? It's odd, I've never seemed to have had a problem finding the corp i want to be in. |
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Stranger Orecri
Perkone
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.05 13:40:00 -
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second Tolate wrote:Letzlin Schaneger wrote:second Tolate wrote: If you don't have a 80%+ ratio, no one worth flying with, will want to fly with you.
apparently you have a standart too, why shouldn't others?
Next time actually read my post and notice where I didn't say anything at all to the contrary, and actually went on to say they have every right to maintain that policy and that I would if I was in their shoes. just that sentence implies that so learn to make your ideas clearer! doesnt matter how you twist it, you want to fly with good pvpers cuz thats what you want, others have the right to have the same sentiment, isn't it a free world even in eve? if you suck and someone has standart why would they want to fly with you?dont they have the choice for that?? you imply that others should play your way and not have the freedom to play as they want!
Spicing up the forums with a little bit of drama. Nice. |
Xorth Adimus
Blackwater USA Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
9
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Posted - 2012.02.05 13:42:00 -
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Letzlin Schaneger wrote:If there is one thing that has been imbued upon me as a new player (Or at least, a player which is well and truly done with Incursions and Market PvP) it's the importance of maintaining a good killboard. If you don't have a 80%+ ratio, no one worth flying with, will want to fly with you.
So clearly a bad killboard is something I wish to go to great lengths to avoid, and given that any mistake made will haunt you for the rest of your EVE career, or even make you completely unhireable if your losses are particularly unfortunate, not to mention my leisure time is valuable and I don't want to waste it with fools. In light of this, why would I want to join a corporation which is, or at least is operated with anything less than:
Activity.
Competence.
Experience.
And so far my experiences of trying to find a good group for the past month have consisted of 3 main experiences and 1 minor:
Many people take a long time to learn what you have posted right here, the problem you have is putting it into practice.
I started out in a small hi sec corp of good friends, we fought off some wardecs did roams in low sec and 0.0 and then joined a small NPC 0.0 alliance. The kind that just wants to shoot people in the face and basicly had nothing worth infiltrating for from there the world became my oyster. many of the people I met or killed I have found ended up with me on my journey and many are now old good friends. No other game has this, but it takes effort.
You see spying is an issue for large alliances with stuff to lose or indeed their pets, dying in a faction fit carebear horrible fit tengu to a war deccer in jita.. May even be worse
To join a decent large PVP alliance you have to offer more then a security risk, if you can show them you have done your time with solo kills, scouting, FC abilities and you get kill after kill either with your friends, or if you have none of these solo in a well fit decent ship (like a sabre) killing useless pets and bots in 0.0. Then you become sort after.
Having a scrub pilot (some people see 30mil SP pilots with less then 500 kills like this!) in fleet who doesn't know how to get kills fit his ship or stay alive and is likely screw up the whole fleet by jumping early or getting himself killed.. is a liability.
Get your ass in a small decent active 0.0 npc alliance and get some skills down have some fun and the kills will come..
Then after loving playing every day and roaming 3 hours a night...One day it can become epic:
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Xorth+Adimus |
Humidor Cigarillo
7
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Posted - 2012.02.05 19:14:00 -
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Some guy who flys drakes/tengus gets trolled by -A-.
Not sure if serious or just ironic. |
Tomas Ysidro
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
6
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Posted - 2012.02.05 19:20:00 -
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Corps who base their recruitment standards on killboard efficiency aren't worth joining anyways. It's all about the arts and crafts |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
1452
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Posted - 2012.02.05 19:29:00 -
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Mr Kidd wrote:Okay, I read the first paragraph......
Look man, the fact that people in this game have some crazy insane kill ratios means one of two things: 1) They've either padded their KB with lame POS kills or 2) they've padded their KB with lame kills like HS docking games where the entirety of Jita local comes to their aid as neutral reppers.
I figure, as long as you're maintaining a positive KB who cares about the rest?
This
Miss Whippy wrote:Thing is, an 80+% kill ratio is a false economy anyway. All it means if you pick fights you can't lose. I'd rather have pilots who throw themselves into battles they can't possibly win, just for the lolz.
Also this.
Anyone boo-hooing or thinking they are amazing because of a high k/d ratio is a risk averse coward and you will learn nothing but how to be bore yourself to death blobbing but still being incompetent at the game.
There's a few truly godly players with quite high kd ratios but they are few and far between. The majority of the time it just means you are risk averse.
(a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
ElQuirko
Gravit Negotii
358
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Posted - 2012.02.05 19:37:00 -
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Frankly my dear, industrial pilots make the best PVPers because they will follow an experienced combat pilot's orders without question. The only problem is telling them what to do exactly.
If we distribute pictures of people, does that mean God can file copyright claims under SOPA? |
Honnete Du Decimer
34
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Posted - 2012.02.05 19:41:00 -
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Look good score kill board. Many kill rubbish. You best luck for find people that no care for the kill board. 
PMS |
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
47
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Posted - 2012.02.05 19:46:00 -
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This is douchebag online that promotes corp theft and backstabbing even in its cinematic trailers ...
And you wonder why people dont trust newcomers .... |
Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
112
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Posted - 2012.02.05 20:02:00 -
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Midori Tsu wrote:Maybe you're just looking at the wrong corps? It's odd, I've never seemed to have had a problem finding the corp i want to be in.
No, you can't join us, and no we will not take Delve back for you!
You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
1453
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Posted - 2012.02.05 20:02:00 -
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ElQuirko wrote:Frankly my dear, industrial pilots make the best PVPers because they will follow an experienced combat pilot's orders without question. The only problem is telling them what to do exactly.
Being told when to jump or push F1`-F8 does not teach you how to look after yourself or how to move about a grid... know when you personally need to get out or call for reps appropriately or generally make any one of a thousand personal judgement calls that the FC shouldn't have to be telling you, or any other basic combat awareness.
(a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
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Humidor Cigarillo
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Posted - 2012.02.05 20:12:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:ElQuirko wrote:Frankly my dear, industrial pilots make the best PVPers because they will follow an experienced combat pilot's orders without question. The only problem is telling them what to do exactly. Being told when to jump or push F1`-F8 does not teach you how to look after yourself or how to move about a grid... know when you personally need to get out or call for reps appropriately or generally make any one of a thousand personal judgement calls that the FC shouldn't have to be telling you, or any other basic combat awareness.
I too, love fleet align. |
Xorth Adimus
Blackwater USA Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
9
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Posted - 2012.02.05 20:26:00 -
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Humidor Cigarillo wrote:Some guy who flys drakes/tengus gets trolled by -A-.
Not sure if serious or just ironic.
I am glad to brighten your day..
Post was serious regardless, not everyone in EVE or indeed -A- is what you perceive.
Drakes and Tengus are fine in the right hands yes -a- use them as does everyone today.. for certain targets.. I prefer recons / dictors they are always needed and can be fitted in a range of ways..
In reality you are going to want a good range of ships under your belt if you are serious in the long term.
Having the SPs knowledge and skills to fly these and a wide range of other ships properly plus good kills and (importantly) a few good losses to support this is what separates the wheat from the chaff.
Getting there takes time and dedication, good friends help. Good hunting!
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Lady Spank
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
1457
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Posted - 2012.02.05 21:08:00 -
[43] - Quote
And expecting new players to spread their training across a wide variety of ships is dumb. At present the Drake is the lowest common denominator allowing effectiveness in a variety of roles. Experience comes in time and is unrealistic to expect a noob to have it in buckets. Willingness is far more important and if you are going to defend high efficiency as important then you are simply bad.
(a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
42
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Posted - 2012.02.05 21:28:00 -
[44] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:BTW, genuinely good PvP corps won't worry overmuch about the pure K:D ratio.
Heh, let me tell you about the K:D ratio of newbies in the wild wild west of nullsec.
Since drakes started being a thing again, soon newbies will darken the sun (no more 1v1 duels at the sun anymore) with our newbie folded cardboard missile spammer spaceships! |
Aineko Macx
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
135
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Posted - 2012.02.05 21:37:00 -
[45] - Quote
@OP:
You're certainly not the only player in such a position. Try to get together with other new-ish but ambitious players and go pewing. You'll learn a lot doing that, improve your KB and have some fun while at it.
No alliance/corp is perfect. Even if you manage to join an ~elite~ pvp alliance you'll likely find that it isn't exactly what you were looking for. |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
1458
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Posted - 2012.02.05 21:44:00 -
[46] - Quote
Actually OP, if you are genuinely interested in PVP there are a couple of players that have shown interest in nurturing truly new players in the way of PVP. I don't know if they are interested in getting people into their corps but check out both Garmon and Kil2 and see if they can help you.
(a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
2777
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Posted - 2012.02.05 21:48:00 -
[47] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Malcanis wrote:BTW, genuinely good PvP corps won't worry overmuch about the pure K:D ratio. Heh, let me tell you about the K:D ratio of newbies in the wild wild west of nullsec. Since drakes started being a thing again, soon newbies will darken the sun (no more 1v1 duels at the sun anymore) with our newbie folded cardboard missile spammer spaceships!
I have always genuinely admired goons indifference to statistical irrelevences like K:D in favour of achieving the end result. In all seriousness, more alliances should emulate you in this respect.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Ningishzida
CTRL-Q
0
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Posted - 2012.02.05 22:06:00 -
[48] - Quote
Letzlin Schaneger wrote:
On a side note, if you do fly in a competent corporation that needs more competent, self sufficient Logistics/ECM/Tengu/Drake pilots do let me know.
Come talk to us in our channel: ***CTRL-Q*** |
Stella SGP
The Kimotoro Initiative
54
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Posted - 2012.02.05 22:22:00 -
[49] - Quote
Can-baiting in Jita all day makes you an ELITE Pvper! |
Nor Tzestu
Stillwater Intelligence Services
45
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Posted - 2012.02.05 22:30:00 -
[50] - Quote
Man. Just join rvb. Get some kills..not hard. Fight solo. Even losses are cool solo. Pad you kb for the elite faggotry that has invaded this game then jump when your ready. Yeah and be able to t2 fit a cane. |
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The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2915
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Posted - 2012.02.05 22:39:00 -
[51] - Quote
Letzlin Schaneger wrote:Humidor Cigarillo wrote: Of course I assume there that you won't be capable of simply flying a tengu into fights all the time. If you can actually afford to do that, you might just be !elitepvp material. Well, I did just play the markets and do incursions for the past 5 months. Let's just say I am comfortable. If it is the case that those sorts of ships aren't frequently used by good small gangs, what should I look at training in to? CausticS0da wrote:What's all this about 20% tax and locked assets?
If you space gets conquered or if your overlords decide they don't like you any more, that's it, you are locked out of your station and can't access your assets. And in order to pay the rent for the system some of the renter corps I have spoken to have operated a 15-20% tax.
OVERLORDS
MEATGRINDERS
sounds like you basically have no idea what you're talking about and read too much eve-o
The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
BuckStrider
Hardcore p0wnography
Dark Knights of New Eden
6
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Posted - 2012.02.05 22:47:00 -
[52] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:Letzlin Schaneger wrote:Humidor Cigarillo wrote: Of course I assume there that you won't be capable of simply flying a tengu into fights all the time. If you can actually afford to do that, you might just be !elitepvp material. Well, I did just play the markets and do incursions for the past 5 months. Let's just say I am comfortable. If it is the case that those sorts of ships aren't frequently used by good small gangs, what should I look at training in to? CausticS0da wrote:What's all this about 20% tax and locked assets?
If you space gets conquered or if your overlords decide they don't like you any more, that's it, you are locked out of your station and can't access your assets. And in order to pay the rent for the system some of the renter corps I have spoken to have operated a 15-20% tax. OVERLORDS MEATGRINDERS sounds like you basically have no idea what you're talking about and read too much eve-o
Guess you'll be asking him soon for a 500m 'security deposit' as well as his full API to teach him pvp |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration
Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
316
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Posted - 2012.02.05 23:01:00 -
[53] - Quote
If you want to join almost any PvP corp my advice is this: Go find their "home" system in 0.0, and start killing them. Be audacious. Go ahead and take a BC against a couple of their HACs. If you kill even one it's a win. Get into an AF and raise terror hitting miner and logistics elements of their alliance. If you are a thorn in their side enough your name will get out there (via their intel channel!). At some point they will probably start talking to you. That's an opportunity to join. When I lived in Fountain my corp knew all the local pirates and gankers... some of them ended up joining, others did not but I like to think we are still friends. Take a step back... not many out there want to hold your hand. ...but everyone could use a crazy pilot who has no fear. Just my 2 isk...
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Valei Khurelem
268
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Posted - 2012.02.05 23:02:00 -
[54] - Quote
Speaking from personal experience, when I tried to set up a casual corporation I had some stupid **** come along and say he'd let me and my corp fly in their space for 16% tax, why the hell should high sec players play by your rules? Especially when they are stupid and don't benefit anyone but yourselves, not only that they are born from an extreme paranoia where everyone except you is considered an enemy or a noob that's going to get you killed one day.
Sorry folks, I didn't get his name because I was busy in recruitment chat and in a mining op at the same time so you don't get to point and laugh at him unfortunately.
Asking new players to take part in 0.0 space is one thing, but it's amazing people actually seem genuinely confused and mystified as to why they get so much hate when they have to put up with so much bullshit in order to do it.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |
SkiD-MaRk
DEAD-ON
xHANGOVERx
1
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Posted - 2012.02.05 23:04:00 -
[55] - Quote
With the over abundance of these bad newbie experience posts. Goons, and Test are starting a propaganda mission. And will soon be opening up recruitement to a ton of newbs.
I hope. and if so. well played. <3 |
Honnete Du Decimer
36
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Posted - 2012.02.05 23:20:00 -
[56] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:...sounds like you basically have no idea what you're talking about and read too much eve-o
Prayer be! He speaking! I am believe many other no believe but I am believe!
PMS |
Dark Drifter
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
16
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Posted - 2012.02.06 00:07:00 -
[57] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:Letzlin Schaneger wrote:Humidor Cigarillo wrote: Of course I assume there that you won't be capable of simply flying a tengu into fights all the time. If you can actually afford to do that, you might just be !elitepvp material. Well, I did just play the markets and do incursions for the past 5 months. Let's just say I am comfortable. If it is the case that those sorts of ships aren't frequently used by good small gangs, what should I look at training in to? CausticS0da wrote:What's all this about 20% tax and locked assets?
If you space gets conquered or if your overlords decide they don't like you any more, that's it, you are locked out of your station and can't access your assets. And in order to pay the rent for the system some of the renter corps I have spoken to have operated a 15-20% tax. OVERLORDS MEATGRINDERS sounds like you basically have no idea what you're talking about and read too much eve-o
look mittani. to be brutally honest the OP has stated a 100% true fact.
"overlords" do decide to kull their "pets", and all the time these "pets" are paying you, the "overlord" to not whimsically drop 300 super-caps on to them just because you are board, or have decided that you want the system back now that they have ground it up for you....
this kinda stuff happens all the time.
i will agree with others in this thread that yes PVP elitism is a bad thing for eve. but when that 0.0 alliance sez yes we are leet pvp all i have to do to guage their legitimacy is check their KBs and lol at the 300 ships it took to kill that one T3 or ratting BS. . .
TO THE OP:
if you are looking to join a corp that is genuine then look for people who don't do the following:
heavily smack in local
boast about the faction fitted T3 they killed
any SOV block that tells you how you must play the game
on that note any person who tells you that you are playing eve wrong should be steered clear of.
any corp that tells you that you must participate.
basically what im getting at here is don't join because we tell you that ist a good one to join, find a grupe that suits you as a player not the other way around.
my only suggestions, if you are relay looking to pad your KB, is:
RVB
E-UNI
they will see you true and yes you will get the experiance from them that is needed for maintaining your place in eve
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nate555
GODHC INTERSTELLAR FLEET
42
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Posted - 2012.02.06 00:38:00 -
[58] - Quote
Well dude what I can tell is go out by yourself in something cheap, cruiser or frig. Try and get some fights . If you lose good, it takes losses to become good. That's how I started out. Now I know lots about ships and their abilitys. Skill training won't get you kills, experiance will. |
Ris Dnalor
Black Rebel Rifter Club
193
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Posted - 2012.02.06 00:58:00 -
[59] - Quote
meh,
finding a good corp takes effort, just keep looking. killboards don't mean anything.
Really, for some people, their in-game incomes support them losing billions of isk per month, without batting an eyelash, and so they're more likely to take risks and have fun, which could mean a poor efficiency rating on the killboards.
alternatively, you may have a person that enjoys being "bait", and could generate lots of personal losses, while bringing many kills to the corp.
the possibilities are endless.
numbers are numbers, and while they have their uses, they are not the be-all end all. |
Covert Kitty
SRS Industries
SRS.
155
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Posted - 2012.02.06 01:23:00 -
[60] - Quote
Assuming your posting with the character your complaining about, part of your problem is likely not having history at all. No "elite" pvp group will take someone with no kb history whatsoever, and most other groups will be pretty hesitant if they can not learn at least something about a player they are considering taking.
My recommendation is to join a nullsec alliance. You'll get some good experience, and most also do small gang pvp in addition to their sov warfare blob fests. Then down the road you can decide where you want to go from there, but at least its a start. Alternately, go move somewhere you like in low or npc nullsec, pvp, meet the residents, and before long you'll have a chance to join them.
Any decent corp does care about your killboard to a point. Not always the statistics, but rather to ensure that your not fail fitting your ships, or doing anything outrageously stupid.
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Dowla Daupor
Blue Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.02.06 01:42:00 -
[61] - Quote
You should join RvB, high efficiency pretty much just means you're poor here. |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2917
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Posted - 2012.02.06 01:50:00 -
[62] - Quote
Dark Drifter wrote:[
look mittani. to be brutally honest the OP has stated a 100% true fact.
"overlords" do decide to kull their "pets", and all the time these "pets" are paying you, the "overlord" to not whimsically drop 300 super-caps on to them just because you are board, or have decided that you want the system back now that they have ground it up for you....
this kinda stuff happens all the time.
i will agree with others in this thread that yes PVP elitism is a bad thing for eve. but when that 0.0 alliance sez yes we are leet pvp all i have to do to guage their legitimacy is check their KBs and lol at the 300 ships it took to kill that one T3 or ratting BS. . .
the only place in the galaxy where there's still a master/renter/pet system is the northeast drone zone, don't go there vOv
The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
Alaric Faelen
Black Rebel Rifter Club
68
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Posted - 2012.02.06 04:53:00 -
[63] - Quote
I wanted to agree.
Oh null sec is full of idiot alliance chiefs. People with more alts than RL friends and who think you learn leadership from a skillbook in a game. BC blobs, treating other players as little more than alts that talk.........I'm with you there. Null bears with more SP than social skills.
But, at least in my experience, it's not quite so elitist as all that either. More than a list of KM's a mile long, the right attitude goes a long way. Humility helps too- rather than think you're more than just another pilot try force of will and personality.
I heard that a bunch in null alliance- people that think no one wants them if they aren't self-sufficient (if you were, then what do you need the alliance for anyway??) and flying supercaps. Sure, if you have the SP. Otherwise, you're a small fish in a big pond and thinking you're on that level is pointless.
Good shopping around, but have the right mentality to go with it. I've yet to see anyone care more about kill ratios than activity in fleets. Just maybe there's more to the story........... |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
44
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Posted - 2012.02.06 06:44:00 -
[64] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:the only place in the galaxy where there's still a master/renter/pet system is the northeast drone zone, don't go there vOv
What will happen to them when the drones get changed? Will a lot of masterless pets return to the joy of isk faucts known as hisec incursions?
Dark Drifter wrote:heavily smack in local
boast about the faction fitted T3 they killed
Aww man, sounds like I made some sort of bad life-critical decision.
Valei Khurelem wrote:I had some stupid **** come along and say he'd let me and my corp fly in their space for 16% tax, why the hell should high sec players play by your rules?
Wait, by that metric, I think we're all pets over here. Isn't that a normal tax rate?
The Mittani wrote:OVERLORDS
MEATGRINDERS
sounds like you basically have no idea what you're talking about and read too much eve-o
No one does a meatgrinder like goons! All forces of ~elite pvp~ love coming to play attrition warfare. |
Kumq uat
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
95
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Posted - 2012.02.06 07:11:00 -
[65] - Quote
I don't really have this issue even if my kill board is less than stellar. I think you are talking to the wrong people. |
OT Smithers
Cult of Baal
43
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Posted - 2012.02.06 07:27:00 -
[66] - Quote
Such a serious thread... lol
Just grab a frigate, go out to low, poke around and talk to people. Tell them you are a new PvP pilot and want to learn. Some might laugh, but whatever. It won't take you long to find someone if you are pleasant and don't smack talk like a dipshit.
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Revii Lagoon
The Foreign Legion
Test Alliance Please Ignore
20
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Posted - 2012.02.06 08:00:00 -
[67] - Quote
If you find a corp that cares more about kb stats than actually learning if you would be a good fit for their corp, you should probably keep looking. Good corps are always out there, you just need to find them. If things don't work out, you can always move on to a new corp. Many of us null sec dwellers have had long histories from differnet corps / alliances because stuff happened and you chose too leave. |
Citizen Smif
Comply Or Die
69
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Posted - 2012.02.06 10:29:00 -
[68] - Quote
I don't know what corps you've been applying for but they sound pretty arsey.. I had a **** KB, like 37-40% but I had no problem joining a PvP corp. I get small gang fights every night without fail and my KB is slowly coming back up to 50% mark overall. 0.0 corps take themselves a bit too seriously, if you're looking for low sec PvP apply for this corp - we're taking applications at the moment.
If you're finding every corp your applying for is turning you down then maybe your standards are too high. There are plenty of good PvP corps out there, your clearly trying to apply for elite zomg wtf pwnage corps.. And unfortunately for them you don't quite cut the mark. Don't overexagerate the problem though, just keep looking. |
Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION
Tactical Narcotics Team
32
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Posted - 2012.02.06 12:30:00 -
[69] - Quote
With a lot of decent people, it's not so much efficiency but more about activity. Efficiency whores aren't fun to play with. Pad out your kb stats with activity and it should look a lot better than just 0 kills and 0 losses. Dying in a fire trying to get kills looks a lot better than sitting around on your arse waiting for kills to come to you. Like many have suggested, get in a frigate, ruffle some feathers and someone might actually take notice.
But if you're looking for ~elite pvp~ maybe you should join test |
Plutonian
Intransigent
78
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Posted - 2012.02.06 16:59:00 -
[70] - Quote
Citizen Smif wrote:If you're finding every corp your applying for is turning you down then maybe your standards are too high. There are plenty of good PvP corps out there, your clearly trying to apply for elite zomg wtf pwnage corps.. And unfortunately for them you don't quite cut the mark. Don't overexagerate the problem though, just keep looking.
I'd rather be in a corp that gets its ass kicked on a daily basis, and has fun doing it, than any super-elite pvp-pwnage corp.
Players seeking wild fun do not mix well with serious business spaceship types.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
726
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Posted - 2012.02.06 17:02:00 -
[71] - Quote
Letzlin Schaneger wrote:If there is one thing that has been imbued upon me as a new player (Or at least, a player which is well and truly done with Incursions and Market PvP) it's the importance of maintaining a good killboard. If you don't have a 80%+ ratio, no one worth flying with, will want to fly with you.
I know, right!
Get rid of kill boards and EVE will be one step closer to being a much better game.
Mr Epeen 
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
gfldex
314
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Posted - 2012.02.06 17:03:00 -
[72] - Quote
Letzlin Schaneger wrote:It's a very tough cycle to break, and I was wondering if anyone had any advice on what I could reasonably do to step up and above the rest?
Stop whining and start doing.
The game has a tutorial that gives you a mining laser and a railgun and tells you to go shoot rocks and red crosses. It teaches you nothing else. It's been that way for 8 years, so are you really surprised that there are people who aren't aware that this is a pvp game? --Jafit McJafitson |
Tithi
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.02.06 18:18:00 -
[73] - Quote
Make friends with people is my advice. KB stats can be overlooked if you are nice and have a good attitude. |
Phony v2
Dark Circle Enforcement
0
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Posted - 2012.02.06 19:07:00 -
[74] - Quote
I have been playing for 9 years in may. One thing I've learned of that time is that you can always find a fun corp to fly with. You just have to look. Even when making a new alt that has no connection to my main I still have found fun PVP corp's to fly with. So just keep looking they are out there. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
2782
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Posted - 2012.02.06 19:15:00 -
[75] - Quote
Lady Spank wrote:And expecting new players to spread their training across a wide variety of ships is dumb. At present the Drake is the lowest common denominator allowing effectiveness in a variety of roles. Experience comes in time and is unrealistic to expect a noob to have it in buckets. Willingness is far more important and if you are going to defend high efficiency as important then you are simply bad.
Well said
The virtues of a new player should be energy and enterprise, not the efficiency stats
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises
Purpose Built
563
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Posted - 2012.02.06 19:15:00 -
[76] - Quote
I personally think I have a great ratio.
Almost 92%.... deaths... hmm yeah... |
Kaeda Maxwell
Black Rebel Rifter Club
49
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Posted - 2012.02.06 20:02:00 -
[77] - Quote
Confirming I am in a corp that does not give a rats ass about your killboard stats. |
Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
463
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Posted - 2012.02.06 20:42:00 -
[78] - Quote
second Tolate wrote: If you don't have a 80%+ ratio, no one worth flying with, will want to fly with you.
This is what Pubbies actually believe. |
Tian Nu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
44
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Posted - 2012.02.06 20:47:00 -
[79] - Quote
for the OP why you want to play eve whith someone else any way play it solo handle you self.
and if you want corp make youre own one make alts if you want the MMO feel like gameplay.
One of my good friends in game actualy play solo boxing 13 caracters i some time run incursions whith him and is funny lloking at one solo guy doing it all by himself tumbs up.
Father O'Malley about Darius III begging for whelp:
GÇ£Hows that working out for ya ? I make it 02:21 and all I see is you begging Riverini to get numbers and trying to recruit from the incursion public channel.GÇ¥ |
Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
463
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Posted - 2012.02.06 20:50:00 -
[80] - Quote
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Nephilius
Grey Legionaires
309
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Posted - 2012.02.06 20:57:00 -
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Guthris wrote:People are so obsessed with killboard stats...
Just get rid of killmails all together and it will fix the attitude some people have in this game
I don't think they should be completely done away with, but I do believe that only one person should get the killmail. That person is the one who gets the killing strike.
I realize that losing isn't always fun, but the mentality that you can have fun only if you win has become the common mindset today. I think that is one of the bigger impediments to PvP today. Ironically, no one is born elite, they had to work and train to get there. Since winning is such a huge requirement, I think it discourages a lot of people from jumping in that pot and learning how to PvP effectively. People like me who have a bad loss or something like that are hosed before we even get a chance.
I'm not elite, I wouldn't even say I'm great. So that's why I just play my own game and go on. In that, the only one who can disappoint me is myself. I enjoying my time now because of that.
To stand before a man at an inquisition, knowing that he will rejoice when we die, knowing that he will commit us to the stake and its horrors without a moment's hesitation or remorse if we do not satisfy him, is not an experience much less cruel because our inquisitor does not whip us or rack us or shout at us. |
Allyia Base
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.02.06 22:32:00 -
[82] - Quote
Nephilius wrote:Guthris wrote:People are so obsessed with killboard stats...
Just get rid of killmails all together and it will fix the attitude some people have in this game I don't think they should be completely done away with, but I do believe that only one person should get the killmail. That person is the one who gets the killing strike.
Look at how dumb you are. |
Terbulus
Everlasting Forge
Imperial Ascension
0
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Posted - 2012.02.06 23:19:00 -
[83] - Quote
having a super high kill ratio means you are afraid to fight against the odds. |
Liz Laser
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.02.07 01:08:00 -
[84] - Quote
The only things that matter in null-sec is attitude and participation.
I have a 98 or 99% killboard efficiency and I can truthfully say I'm only as good as my FCs. They planned good campaigns, ran good ops, I showed up, and did what I was told.
The key to happiness in null-sec is just finding mates who are available when you are whose company you enjoy. You'll meet people from other corps once you're out there. Keep in touch with the ones you enjoy flying with. They may drag you to new corps, later.
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NaturalBeast
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.02.07 05:00:00 -
[85] - Quote
Liz Laser wrote:The only things that matter in null-sec is attitude and participation.
I have a 98 or 99% killboard efficiency and I can truthfully say I'm only as good as my FCs. They planned good campaigns, ran good ops, I showed up, and did what I was told.
The key to happiness in null-sec is just finding mates who are available when you are whose company you enjoy. You'll meet people from other corps once you're out there. Keep in touch with the ones you enjoy flying with. They may drag you to new corps, later.
This 1000%
Back in the day when I had ooodles of free time, loved 0.0 life. Yeah, Killboard stats were looked at and you didn't want to get caught and killed in your ratting ship too often. Then there was the alliance guys who actually avoid reporting intel to try and hog kills. Those were the assholes you knew were going to be trouble and they were. In the end you teamed up with guys you trusted and had fun.
If you have the tenacity, start your own corp and then go hunt down the corps that rejected you. |
Jazzmyn
The Ghost Division
4
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Posted - 2012.02.07 08:13:00 -
[86] - Quote
I cant see whats wrong with 10 man derp corporation? 
1) even if u are beginner, u could probably shine in that corp
2) if u fly cheap ships its impossible to do permanent damage to your killboard efficiency realy
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