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Hant Sekker	Posted - 2004.03.18 14:29:00 - [31] So, can u pod an outlaw that has -5 sec rating? Also, can they fire back at u without the police getting involved? Form what I understand of the post a -5 gets attacked in anything above 0.5 and concord won't s**** in 0.4, so they'd ether be getting attacked be concord for being in 0.5+ space or there in a place were concord won't go. As for poding them you won't lose sr for it. The bit about poding above was for when a nutral attacks you they go agresive so you can shoot back (at there current ship) you can shoot at a -5 sr whenever and whatever there in pods and all. Of coures I'm a noob too so never mine
Hant Sekker	Posted - 2004.03.18 14:29:00 - [32] So, can u pod an outlaw that has -5 sec rating? Also, can they fire back at u without the police getting involved? Form what I understand of the post a -5 gets attacked in anything above 0.5 and concord won't s**** in 0.4, so they'd ether be getting attacked be concord for being in 0.5+ space or there in a place were concord won't go. As for poding them you won't lose sr for it. The bit about poding above was for when a nutral attacks you they go agresive so you can shoot back (at there current ship) you can shoot at a -5 sr whenever and whatever there in pods and all. Of coures I'm a noob too so never mine
Ganja	Posted - 2004.03.18 18:18:00 - [33] Quote: So, can u pod an outlaw that has -5 sec rating? Also, can they fire back at u without the police getting involved? You may pod someone who is -5 withou losing rating. Once you engage someone, they can openly engage you back without the police hindering them.
Ganja	Posted - 2004.03.18 18:18:00 - [34] Quote: So, can u pod an outlaw that has -5 sec rating? Also, can they fire back at u without the police getting involved? You may pod someone who is -5 withou losing rating. Once you engage someone, they can openly engage you back without the police hindering them.
UnRisen Dead	Posted - 2004.03.20 13:27:00 - [35] Ah thanks for clearing that up One more thing, just to be absolutly sure, if ure past 151km away from sentries, u can shoot convoys? Ive scanned a few and thought, mmm nice i want that :D Will Concord get involved? If not, do i have to stay away from any sentries for 15 mins? Thanks again ________________________________________________ The Dead will rise...Again!
UnRisen Dead Amarr Space Chavs	Posted - 2004.03.20 13:27:00 - [36] Ah thanks for clearing that up One more thing, just to be absolutly sure, if ure past 151km away from sentries, u can shoot convoys? Ive scanned a few and thought, mmm nice i want that :D Will Concord get involved? If not, do i have to stay away from any sentries for 15 mins? Thanks again ________________________________________________ The Dead will rise...Again!
UnRisen Dead	Posted - 2004.03.21 13:57:00 - [37] Oh, and will i lose any standings towards any corps? Im doing agent missions and dont wanna go back to a lower lvl agent. ________________________________________________ The Dead will rise...Again!
UnRisen Dead Amarr Space Chavs	Posted - 2004.03.21 13:57:00 - [38] Oh, and will i lose any standings towards any corps? Im doing agent missions and dont wanna go back to a lower lvl agent. ________________________________________________ The Dead will rise...Again!
Jebidus Skari	Posted - 2004.03.21 16:28:00 - [39] Edited by: Jebidus Skari on 22/03/2004 01:32:25 Quote: Corp/Gang members are not allowed to fight alongside you unless they were fired on aswell. A note about gang members from my own experience. If you are in a gang and one of your gang members falls under attack by an aggressor the members of your gang who are in the same grid as the gang member who was attacked (i.e within visible range of the attacked gangmember) may shoot back at the attacker under no fear of retaliation by the sentries, CONCORD and house navies. However the gang may only shoot at the opposing ship that fired at their gang, they may not shoot any other ships in the area doing so will bring the police down on you. Also, other gang members may not warp in and shoot the attacking ship as they have come from a differant grid and will be fired upon by the police/sentries. If this is poorly worded and someone can write it better than I have please feel free to do so
Jebidus Skari Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2004.03.21 16:28:00 - [40] Edited by: Jebidus Skari on 22/03/2004 01:32:25 Quote: Corp/Gang members are not allowed to fight alongside you unless they were fired on aswell. A note about gang members from my own experience. If you are in a gang and one of your gang members falls under attack by an aggressor the members of your gang who are in the same grid as the gang member who was attacked (i.e within visible range of the attacked gangmember) may shoot back at the attacker under no fear of retaliation by the sentries, CONCORD and house navies. However the gang may only shoot at the opposing ship that fired at their gang, they may not shoot any other ships in the area doing so will bring the police down on you. Also, other gang members may not warp in and shoot the attacking ship as they have come from a differant grid and will be fired upon by the police/sentries. If this is poorly worded and someone can write it better than I have please feel free to do so

PhamNuwen	Posted - 2004.03.22 20:58:00 - [41] Unfortunatly I don't know OFFICIAL rules for Engagement: up to now no posts about this topic are available by CCP-Devs or CCP-Designers. I think the rules for 'Personal Security Rating Requirements to enter Empire Space' is not correct or buggy: - often I can see peoples with SecStatus below -5 in 0.5 System (Lonetrak); - I could see peoples with -9.x SecStatus in 0.8 (Lonetrak); - I did see peoples with Caldari-State-Faction below -5 flying through Caldary Stargates without beeing attacked by Sentries. The rules for fighting/aggressions in HighLevel-Systems (>0.4) are also very unstable/buggy. The rules are changed/corrected without remarks by CCP. The support of an attacked CorpMember is very critical: it is grid depending (maybe it is only working if attacked and supporter on the same Sol-Server). --- FSR in EVE Other Characters: EVE: PhamDaCowa EVE: SmilingMurder Mankind: [FSR]Lord BuilderOne (retired)
PhamNuwen Caldari Bungee Jumper	Posted - 2004.03.22 20:58:00 - [42] Unfortunatly I don't know OFFICIAL rules for Engagement: up to now no posts about this topic are available by CCP-Devs or CCP-Designers. I think the rules for 'Personal Security Rating Requirements to enter Empire Space' is not correct or buggy: - often I can see peoples with SecStatus below -5 in 0.5 System (Lonetrak); - I could see peoples with -9.x SecStatus in 0.8 (Lonetrak); - I did see peoples with Caldari-State-Faction below -5 flying through Caldary Stargates without beeing attacked by Sentries. The rules for fighting/aggressions in HighLevel-Systems (>0.4) are also very unstable/buggy. The rules are changed/corrected without remarks by CCP. The support of an attacked CorpMember is very critical: it is grid depending (maybe it is only working if attacked and supporter on the same Sol-Server). ---
Phron	Posted - 2004.03.23 01:07:00 - [43] thanks for the info, helps a bunches! "Tis' hard work bein this good!"
Phron Caldari Valiant Logistics Inc. Black Flag Alliance	Posted - 2004.03.23 01:07:00 - [44] thanks for the info, helps a bunches! "Tis' hard work bein this good!"
EvilWezal	Posted - 2004.03.23 17:25:00 - [45] Make sure its Red not Orange if your going to open fire on some one in Secure Space with out being at war with them. Orange and Red are very close. some players may have a hard time seeing the sutle differences. I lost a frig to that mistake already
EvilWezal Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2004.03.23 17:25:00 - [46] Make sure its Red not Orange if your going to open fire on some one in Secure Space with out being at war with them. Orange and Red are very close. some players may have a hard time seeing the sutle differences. I lost a frig to that mistake already
Pete Starblade	Posted - 2004.03.24 11:22:00 - [47] here's a question for you all if i attack player a who im at war with and he his ganged to players b and c from a different corp but sat right next to him can they attack me without concord involvement or do i have to find out the hard way
Pete Starblade	Posted - 2004.03.24 11:22:00 - [48] here's a question for you all if i attack player a who im at war with and he his ganged to players b and c from a different corp but sat right next to him can they attack me without concord involvement or do i have to find out the hard way
Zackmann	Posted - 2004.03.24 13:22:00 - [49] Quote: here's a question for you all if i attack player a who im at war with and he his ganged to players b and c from a different corp but sat right next to him can they attack me without concord involvement or do i have to find out the hard way This is EXACTLY what iam asking CCP help atm, just the other way around: A gang, a few miners, an escort (gunners) with them. A PK shows up and opens fire at the indy. Can a gunner from the gang (same grid) now answer the fire without getting concorde (remember, the gunner was NOT shooted at, the PK shooted at the indy which is in the gang of the gunner). No1 could answer this for sure so far.
Zackmann	Posted - 2004.03.24 13:22:00 - [50] Quote: here's a question for you all if i attack player a who im at war with and he his ganged to players b and c from a different corp but sat right next to him can they attack me without concord involvement or do i have to find out the hard way This is EXACTLY what iam asking CCP help atm, just the other way around: A gang, a few miners, an escort (gunners) with them. A PK shows up and opens fire at the indy. Can a gunner from the gang (same grid) now answer the fire without getting concorde (remember, the gunner was NOT shooted at, the PK shooted at the indy which is in the gang of the gunner). No1 could answer this for sure so far.

Brep	Posted - 2004.03.25 03:34:00 - [51] Edited by: Brep on 25/03/2004 21:47:10 Hey guys, great thread! I'm very new to eve, and I just had my first real expedition with a few mates lastnight. There were three of us in a gang - one with a fairly large ship, and the other in a decked out frigate. I was still in my n00b ship with two blasters. Since I'm new to the game, the concept of battle was relatively new to me. Now we found a large group of smugglers at Adrel IV and sat 60k's out, ready to attack. The other frigate in our group accidentally shot a missile into the other guy in our group (he's new also) but it was just an accident so we thought nothing of it. Several minutes later I decide to run in towards some smugglers. I was outof lock range so I decided to activate my blasters in preparation. I then realised my support, the larger of our ships, decided to head off in another direction. So I thought I'd better stick with him so I just instinctively doubleclicked on him. oops. I started firing on my own gang member, purely by accident. It didn't matter to him, I couldn't harm his large ship anyway. I stopped my blasters and said sorry in the chat... before I knew it I had Concord all over me! They just kept blasting until I was in pieces :( My security tatus was dropped and I had to warp to the nearby station to get a new ship. Luckily I hadn't bought a new ship yet, but my security status is kinda screwed now. I undocked again and the Concord locked me up again! After asking some local players they toldme to wait for 15 mins and I'll be ok. So I did and the concord let me be. It's not the end of the world, it's no big deal I guess... but I can see this happening to a lot of new players! Surely the police should react according to your charcter's experience... meaning they won't destroy you and your security rating, but disable your ship for a short time and give you a warning. After all, it was just an interface slip-up, and not an act of hostility at all. Also, who here thinks that double-clicking on a gang member should FOLLOW them, and not lock them up? Most games won't have quick ways to attack non-hostile people, which is how I made the wrong assumption. I must say, after the frustration I was quickly cheered up by my mates and I'm still immensly enjoying eve - if only I had more time to play! EDIT: Maybe I misunderstood what my security status used to be... I don't think it was affected by much at all actually... I'm a silly n00b ;)
Brep Gallente Lode Runners	Posted - 2004.03.25 03:34:00 - [52] Edited by: Brep on 25/03/2004 21:47:10 Hey guys, great thread! I'm very new to eve, and I just had my first real expedition with a few mates lastnight. There were three of us in a gang - one with a fairly large ship, and the other in a decked out frigate. I was still in my n00b ship with two blasters. Since I'm new to the game, the concept of battle was relatively new to me. Now we found a large group of smugglers at Adrel IV and sat 60k's out, ready to attack. The other frigate in our group accidentally shot a missile into the other guy in our group (he's new also) but it was just an accident so we thought nothing of it. Several minutes later I decide to run in towards some smugglers. I was outof lock range so I decided to activate my blasters in preparation. I then realised my support, the larger of our ships, decided to head off in another direction. So I thought I'd better stick with him so I just instinctively doubleclicked on him. oops. I started firing on my own gang member, purely by accident. It didn't matter to him, I couldn't harm his large ship anyway. I stopped my blasters and said sorry in the chat... before I knew it I had Concord all over me! They just kept blasting until I was in pieces :( My security tatus was dropped and I had to warp to the nearby station to get a new ship. Luckily I hadn't bought a new ship yet, but my security status is kinda screwed now. I undocked again and the Concord locked me up again! After asking some local players they toldme to wait for 15 mins and I'll be ok. So I did and the concord let me be. It's not the end of the world, it's no big deal I guess... but I can see this happening to a lot of new players! Surely the police should react according to your charcter's experience... meaning they won't destroy you and your security rating, but disable your ship for a short time and give you a warning. After all, it was just an interface slip-up, and not an act of hostility at all. Also, who here thinks that double-clicking on a gang member should FOLLOW them, and not lock them up? Most games won't have quick ways to attack non-hostile people, which is how I made the wrong assumption. I must say, after the frustration I was quickly cheered up by my mates and I'm still immensly enjoying eve - if only I had more time to play! EDIT: Maybe I misunderstood what my security status used to be... I don't think it was affected by much at all actually... I'm a silly n00b ;)
Skillz	Posted - 2004.03.25 22:18:00 - [53] Edited by: Skillz on 25/03/2004 22:19:42 Please note that if you attack a -5.0, he can legally return fire as well. In general: Legal attack: Corporation* member. Corporate* war enemy. Player is below -5.0 in security status. Player has begun to attack you. Illegal attacks: All other attacks, but in 0.0 non-imperial space. There is no sanction for it. * Means player created corporations. Keep on flaming, lamers.
Skillz Amarr	Posted - 2004.03.25 22:18:00 - [54] Edited by: Skillz on 25/03/2004 22:19:42 Please note that if you attack a -5.0, he can legally return fire as well. In general: Legal attack: Corporation* member. Corporate* war enemy. Player is below -5.0 in security status. Player has begun to attack you. Illegal attacks: All other attacks, but in 0.0 non-imperial space. There is no sanction for it. * Means player created corporations. Keep on flaming, lamers.
Zefla	Posted - 2004.03.30 19:18:00 - [55] Can't you also legally attack your fellow gang members? I've heard some people use this for friendly PvP, which is nice to have in the game. --------------------- ...thi starz ¢ moovd
Zefla Caldari Rakeriku	Posted - 2004.03.30 19:18:00 - [56] Can't you also legally attack your fellow gang members? I've heard some people use this for friendly PvP, which is nice to have in the game. --------------------- ...thi starz + moovd
AvanCade	Posted - 2004.04.03 13:55:00 - [57] Nice topic mate, its very usefull. Many thanks !!
AvanCade Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2004.04.03 13:55:00 - [58] Nice topic mate, its very usefull. Many thanks !! #\|----> \///-----\|==== <\|[]- /\\\-----\|==== #\|----> ASCII Jove
Iseult	Posted - 2004.04.05 16:52:00 - [59] Only if he's in the same corp as you. Quote: Can't you also legally attack your fellow gang members? I've heard some people use this for friendly PvP, which is nice to have in the game.
Iseult Doomheim	Posted - 2004.04.05 16:52:00 - [60] Only if he's in the same corp as you. Quote: Can't you also legally attack your fellow gang members? I've heard some people use this for friendly PvP, which is nice to have in the game.



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