• Descriptions of a System's Security Status.
  
  
  • 1.0 to 0.5 Space
    
    
    • You CAN attack hostile NPCs without punishment from a higher authority.
      
    • You CAN attack convoys BUT you must be 151 kilometers from the nearest sentry gun, or else you will feel its wrath.
    
    
    • You CAN attack a player in this space if they are either at war with your corporation or have a personal security status of negative five or lower (-5).
      
    • You CANNOT attack a player in this space if they are not at war with you and have a security status above negative five (-5). Doing so will cause CONCORD to spawn on top of you and they will take your ship. If you are within sentry gun range, these too will also fire on you.
    
    
    
  • 0.4 to 0.1 Space
    
    
    • You CAN attack Hostile NPCs without punishment from a higher authority.
      
    • You CAN attack a player and not lose security rating if they are at war with your corporation or are an "outlaw" (a user whom has a -5 security status or lower).
      
    • You CAN attack a player that is not in your corporation or is not an outlaw if, and only if, you are 151km away from the nearest sentry gun. CONCORD will not spawn in this system for attacking a neutral player. Doing so however will cause you to lose security status.
    
    
    
  • 0.0 Space
    
    
    • Simply put - Anything goes.
      
    • Sentry Guns that surround stations are NPC Corporately owned.
      So - unless you have a -5 standing with the corporation that owns the station, the sentry guns will not fire on you - no matter what your actions.
  
  
  
• Personal Security Rating Requirements to enter Empire Space.
  
  
  • +10 to -1.9 : You have the privaledge to fly everywhere.
    
  • -2.0 to -2.4 : You are restricted to 0.9 space and lower.
    
  • -2.5 to -2.9 : You are restricted to 0.8 space and lower.
    
  • -3.0 to -3.4 : You are restricted to 0.7 space and lower.
    
  • -3.5 to -3.9 : You are restricted to 0.6 space and lower.
    
  • -4.0 to -4.4 : You are restricted to 0.5 space and lower.
    
  • -5.0 to -10 : You are restricted to 0.4 space and lower. You are also deemed as an Outlaw, enabling anyone to open fire on you without sentry gun/CONCORD interfearence or loss of security rating.
  
  
  Note: If you do not meet the requirements to enter a particular system, CONCORD will spawn on top of you and eradicate your ship.

• Things that effect your security rating.
  
  
  • You gain or earn security rating by attacking hostile NPCs that are found in belts and around gates/planets/moons/suns. The gain is not significant much less noticable.
    
    
  • You only gain security rating for killing the "largest" in the group of NPCs every 15(ish) minutes.
    
    
  • You lose security rating by attacking players that are either not at war with you or they are not deemed as an outlaw (meaning they have a security rating of -4.9 or higher).
    
    
  • If you engage in a "criminal" act in front of a stargate or station - your aggression will be noted for 15 minutes. This means, if you are within range of the sentry guns at the stargate in which you engaged someone who is neutral towards you; the sentry guns will open fire on you and will continue to fire on you while you are in their presence for the next 15 minutes. BUT this only applies to where you engaged in this act of aggression. If you open fire on Person A at Gate X, and Gate X marks you for aggression - you can just warp to another gate or station, or anywhere for that matter, and not be harmed.
    
    
  • After initiating aggression - a few things happen. Not only will you not be able to dock or jump from the system for the next 30 seconds, but the person you open fired on is able to open fire back on you without regret.

• Bracket Coloring



• Purple = Gang member.
  
• Blue = Either you or your corporation has set this person/corporation to +5 showing that they are a friendly. Do not be fooled though, friend or foe - unless someone is at war with you, an outlaw, or in your corporation, you cannot freely open fire on them unless you are in 0.0 space.
  
• Green = Corporation Member
  
• White = Neutral
  
• Yellow = Either you or your corporation has set this person/corporation to a -5 standing, showing they are an enemy.
  
• Orange = Corporate War Member
  
• Red = Outlaw or the corporation this person belongs to has an overall negative standing towards CONCORD. If the user has a -5 or lower security rating, you can engage them without regret.

• Descriptions of a System's Security Status.
  
  
  • 1.0 to 0.5 Space
    
    
    • You CAN attack hostile NPCs without punishment from a higher authority.
      
    • You CAN attack convoys BUT you must be 151 kilometers from the nearest sentry gun, or else you will feel its wrath.
    
    
    • You CAN attack a player in this space if they are either at war with your corporation or have a personal security status of negative five or lower (-5).
      
    • You CANNOT attack a player in this space if they are not at war with you and have a security status above negative five (-5). Doing so will cause CONCORD to spawn on top of you and they will take your ship. If you are within sentry gun range, these too will also fire on you.
    
    
    
  • 0.4 to 0.1 Space
    
    
    • You CAN attack Hostile NPCs without punishment from a higher authority.
      
    • You CAN attack a player and not lose security rating if they are at war with your corporation or are an "outlaw" (a user whom has a -5 security status or lower).
      
    • You CAN attack a player that is not in your corporation or is not an outlaw if, and only if, you are 151km away from the nearest sentry gun. CONCORD will not spawn in this system for attacking a neutral player. Doing so however will cause you to lose security status.
    
    
    
  • 0.0 Space
    
    
    • Simply put - Anything goes.
      
    • Sentry Guns that surround stations are NPC Corporately owned.
      So - unless you have a -5 standing with the corporation that owns the station, the sentry guns will not fire on you - no matter what your actions.
  
  
  
• Personal Security Rating Requirements to enter Empire Space.
  
  
  • +10 to -1.9 : You have the privaledge to fly everywhere.
    
  • -2.0 to -2.4 : You are restricted to 0.9 space and lower.
    
  • -2.5 to -2.9 : You are restricted to 0.8 space and lower.
    
  • -3.0 to -3.4 : You are restricted to 0.7 space and lower.
    
  • -3.5 to -3.9 : You are restricted to 0.6 space and lower.
    
  • -4.0 to -4.4 : You are restricted to 0.5 space and lower.
    
  • -5.0 to -10 : You are restricted to 0.4 space and lower. You are also deemed as an Outlaw, enabling anyone to open fire on you without sentry gun/CONCORD interfearence or loss of security rating.
  
  
  Note: If you do not meet the requirements to enter a particular system, CONCORD will spawn on top of you and eradicate your ship.

• Things that effect your security rating.
  
  
  • You gain or earn security rating by attacking hostile NPCs that are found in belts and around gates/planets/moons/suns. The gain is not significant much less noticable.
    
    
  • You only gain security rating for killing the "largest" in the group of NPCs every 15(ish) minutes.
    
    
  • You lose security rating by attacking players that are either not at war with you or they are not deemed as an outlaw (meaning they have a security rating of -4.9 or higher).
    
    
  • If you engage in a "criminal" act in front of a stargate or station - your aggression will be noted for 15 minutes. This means, if you are within range of the sentry guns at the stargate in which you engaged someone who is neutral towards you; the sentry guns will open fire on you and will continue to fire on you while you are in their presence for the next 15 minutes. BUT this only applies to where you engaged in this act of aggression. If you open fire on Person A at Gate X, and Gate X marks you for aggression - you can just warp to another gate or station, or anywhere for that matter, and not be harmed.
    
    
  • After initiating aggression - a few things happen. Not only will you not be able to dock or jump from the system for the next 30 seconds, but the person you open fired on is able to open fire back on you without regret.

• Bracket Coloring



• Purple = Gang member.
  
• Blue = Either you or your corporation has set this person/corporation to +5 showing that they are a friendly. Do not be fooled though, friend or foe - unless someone is at war with you, an outlaw, or in your corporation, you cannot freely open fire on them unless you are in 0.0 space.
  
• Green = Corporation Member
  
• White = Neutral
  
• Yellow = Either you or your corporation has set this person/corporation to a -5 standing, showing they are an enemy.
  
• Orange = Corporate War Member
  
• Red = Outlaw or the corporation this person belongs to has an overall negative standing towards CONCORD. If the user has a -5 or lower security rating, you can engage them without regret.

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Question: Can you attack NPC Convoys within 150km of the gates is 0.1-0.4 space as this was not mentioned above.

Thanks.

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Question: Can you attack NPC Convoys within 150km of the gates is 0.1-0.4 space as this was not mentioned above.

Thanks.

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QUOTE: I did cover this already up top - but will repeat.

If another player initiates aggression against you - no matter what space, you are able to fire back without losing security rating. Corp/Gang members are not allowed to fight alongside you unless they were fired on aswell.
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you may NOT pod kill the agressor, as the agressor's pod did not initiate agression.

Unless i`m wrong....

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QUOTE: I did cover this already up top - but will repeat.

If another player initiates aggression against you - no matter what space, you are able to fire back without losing security rating. Corp/Gang members are not allowed to fight alongside you unless they were fired on aswell.
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you may NOT pod kill the agressor, as the agressor's pod did not initiate agression.

Unless i`m wrong....

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So, can u pod an outlaw that has -5 sec rating? Also, can they fire back at u without the police getting involved?

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So, can u pod an outlaw that has -5 sec rating? Also, can they fire back at u without the police getting involved?

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Corp/Gang members are not allowed to fight alongside you unless they were fired on aswell.

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Corp/Gang members are not allowed to fight alongside you unless they were fired on aswell.

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here's a question for you all
if i attack player a who im at war with and he his ganged to players b and c from a different corp but sat right next to him can they attack me without concord involvement
or do i have to find out the hard way

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here's a question for you all
if i attack player a who im at war with and he his ganged to players b and c from a different corp but sat right next to him can they attack me without concord involvement
or do i have to find out the hard way

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Can't you also legally attack your fellow gang members? I've heard some people use this for friendly PvP, which is nice to have in the game.

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Can't you also legally attack your fellow gang members? I've heard some people use this for friendly PvP, which is nice to have in the game.

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My main question is are they ever gonna fix the security status gain system? It is absurdly slow and way to minor of a gain. I kill rats for about a month from 2k to 30k+ and yet my security status gains are thousandth or tenthousandth of a percent. I mean come on get real you can lose a lot of hard work to an accident which is rather unfair especially to new players. I am not saying it should be easy to gain sec status but right now it seems damn near impossible.

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My main question is are they ever gonna fix the security status gain system? It is absurdly slow and way to minor of a gain. I kill rats for about a month from 2k to 30k+ and yet my security status gains are thousandth or tenthousandth of a percent. I mean come on get real you can lose a lot of hard work to an accident which is rather unfair especially to new players. I am not saying it should be easy to gain sec status but right now it seems damn near impossible.

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Are you supposed to start out with a rating of 0.0? It seems kind of low to me.

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Are you supposed to start out with a rating of 0.0? It seems kind of low to me.

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Originally by: RedPhoenix

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So as I read above, not ALL 0.0 space is "anything goes" space.
If it's under a soveriegnity then the sentries will fire on you if you near a gate?

To put it more specific, If I see someone at a gate in 0.0 and the system falls under a sovereignity, the sentry guns will start to fire on me as soon as I start an act of aggression? like warp scramble or fire . . .
So even in 0.0 space you can be policed . . .

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Originally by: RedPhoenix

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So as I read above, not ALL 0.0 space is "anything goes" space.
If it's under a soveriegnity then the sentries will fire on you if you near a gate?

To put it more specific, If I see someone at a gate in 0.0 and the system falls under a sovereignity, the sentry guns will start to fire on me as soon as I start an act of aggression? like warp scramble or fire . . .
So even in 0.0 space you can be policed . . .

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Originally by: Ganja

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Originally by: RedPhoenix

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So as I read above, not ALL 0.0 space is "anything goes" space.
If it's under a soveriegnity then the sentries will fire on you if you near a gate?

To put it more specific, If I see someone at a gate in 0.0 and the system falls under a sovereignity, the sentry guns will start to fire on me as soon as I start an act of aggression? like warp scramble or fire . . .
So even in 0.0 space you can be policed . . .

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If its 0.0 space, everything is fair game. The only way sentries will fire on you is if you fire on the gate, sentries, station, or have extremely bad faction standing towards the owners of the sentries.

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Originally by: Ganja

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Originally by: RedPhoenix

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So as I read above, not ALL 0.0 space is "anything goes" space.
If it's under a soveriegnity then the sentries will fire on you if you near a gate?

To put it more specific, If I see someone at a gate in 0.0 and the system falls under a sovereignity, the sentry guns will start to fire on me as soon as I start an act of aggression? like warp scramble or fire . . .
So even in 0.0 space you can be policed . . .

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If its 0.0 space, everything is fair game. The only way sentries will fire on you is if you fire on the gate, sentries, station, or have extremely bad faction standing towards the owners of the sentries.

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Originally by: Ganja

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[*]You CAN attack convoys BUT you must be 151 kilometers from the nearest sentry gun, or else you will feel its wrath.

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Originally by: Ganja

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[*]You CAN attack convoys BUT you must be 151 kilometers from the nearest sentry gun, or else you will feel its wrath.

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Originally by: Mystiel Raleigh

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Yes, I'm sure the 'Muppet Fuggers' will lead the Great Wildlands to glory.

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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin

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"!"-wisdom ftl.

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Originally by: Skillz

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Edited by: Skillz on 25/03/2004 22:19:42


Please note that if you attack a -5.0, he can legally return fire as well.

In general:

Legal attack:

Corporation* member.
Corporate* war enemy.
Player is below -5.0 in security status.
Player has begun to attack you.

Illegal attacks:

All other attacks, but in 0.0 non-imperial space. There is no sanction for it.


* Means player created corporations.

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Originally by: Skillz

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Edited by: Skillz on 25/03/2004 22:19:42


Please note that if you attack a -5.0, he can legally return fire as well.

In general:

Legal attack:

Corporation* member.
Corporate* war enemy.
Player is below -5.0 in security status.
Player has begun to attack you.

Illegal attacks:

All other attacks, but in 0.0 non-imperial space. There is no sanction for it.


* Means player created corporations.

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Originally by: Poetry

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The 150km for .1-.4 is fallacy.

There are a number of players now who sit about 75km from sentry guns you are next to when you gate in shoot you and should you shoot back the guns detect you and destroy you leaving them alone.

I've seen this in 3 .4 systems today.

Mostly they're nailing frigates and newer players runing through there for agent jobs. But they're also trying to nail some other folks.

Is this a bug with the guns? should I be filing a bug petition?

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Originally by: Poetry

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The 150km for .1-.4 is fallacy.

There are a number of players now who sit about 75km from sentry guns you are next to when you gate in shoot you and should you shoot back the guns detect you and destroy you leaving them alone.

I've seen this in 3 .4 systems today.

Mostly they're nailing frigates and newer players runing through there for agent jobs. But they're also trying to nail some other folks.

Is this a bug with the guns? should I be filing a bug petition?

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Originally by: Kronin

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What about using of ship scanners? Will it cause CONCORD attack or not? (I mean >0.4)

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Originally by: Kronin

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What about using of ship scanners? Will it cause CONCORD attack or not? (I mean >0.4)

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Originally by: Lian To

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Edited by: Lian To on 20/05/2007 02:24:09
While I know "anything goes" in 0.0 space, I've always gotten mixed responses about security loss there.

If I am in 0.0 space, my sec rating is 0.0, and I attack someone who I'm not at war with, have no aggression countdown, and have 0.0 rating, do I lose standing?

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Originally by: Skillz

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Edited by: Skillz on 25/03/2004 22:19:42


Please note that if you attack a -5.0, he can legally return fire as well.

In general:

Legal attack:

Corporation* member.
Corporate* war enemy.
Player is below -5.0 in security status.
Player has begun to attack you.

Illegal attacks:

All other attacks, but in 0.0 non-imperial space. There is no sanction for it.


* Means player created corporations.

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Originally by: Pete Starblade

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here's a question for you all
if i attack player a who im at war with and he his ganged to players b and c from a different corp but sat right next to him can they attack me without concord involvement
or do i have to find out the hard way

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Originally by: LoganATK

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Here's what i know from what i have gathered.
I was bored one day in 0.7 space. (go figure) So i had my BC parked and ready and i take a cheep junk ship to the belts. I find two people mining (both in same corp) Looked through the local and there's no other members of that same corp. So i take from there can and sit there for thenm to shoot me. the mining ship locks me and starts to warp scram me and sicks his drones on me it was a slow death but at the last sec his corp mate shows up and hits me. Finely i pop and fly my pod back to station and hop in my Harbinger and fly strate back to the belt and behold he's in a Drake so i lock'em warp scram'em and begin firing, his corp mate shows up in his hauler so i lock him two and wish i had 2 warp scrams. So the bagger leaves and i finish off the Drake. Now im looking though local to make sure otheres of the same corp dont show up, the pod leves and i tell the guy GF and that he can come get his stuff ( i had taken the stuff and jettison it) and cloked. his friend in the bagger come back in a drake and he is'ent flashing red. he ask if he can open my can and i say "sure" but he dosent right away so im still looking at local and sure enuff there ceo is here so i say hi to him and ask if he's in a drake too. He says "nope" . at this point i'm not sure of the rules and how this is going to work. He shows up in a intercepter.and then the other guy shows up in in a moa. None of these guys are red mind you. i uncloke and lock the all 3 of them and it's a stand off for about 30 sec then the moa warp scrams me
and the drake fires and i return fire but i hit the CEO in the intercepter and i hear "your security status has been lowered" "hello concord"
So what i want to know is if i shot the drake or the moa first would the CEO in the intercepter have the right to shoot me?
Well anyways i think no mader what if a person agro's you then there sarounding corp members should be fare game.

I allso would realy like for a Dev to shine some lite on this.
Again i feel that corp members in site should all share responsibility and all be flashing red when one of them fire on me. in the same manner that when i took from the can that his corp mates can fire on me. i would like to petition this but theres no set rules so you dont know if it's law or bugged.

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Originally by: Marrano Cardosa

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Here's the problem, more that 15 minutes passed since they had attacked you, that's why none were red. BUT since YOU destroyed one of their ships, they had a several day window to destroy one of your ships (that's why THEY could attack). Now you could have hit any of them BUT the CEO as he hadn't attacked you yet and they had the right to attack you.

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