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motomysz DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 15:57:00 - [61] Tau Ceti was underestimated, but we're well aware what theyre worth (aka more than FIX and RISE put together, multiplied by ten). Also, Pandemic Legion is well recognized for their massive achievements with even a few pilots, let alone their full efforts.
Perianwyr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 15:58:00 - [62] Originally by: fell1234 Originally by: shaerc Originally by: fell1234 Thats kind of why its evident you are an armchair eve player. You still smell of ex-goon btw. Mind naming your goon char? I'm a.....what? Am I supposed to play standing up or something? "ex-goon" depends what you mean. I've had an account on SA years before Goonfleet was made, or any of the Goon corps which predated Goonfleet for that matter. I've had several alts although not my main in Goonfleet at several times. I've been in, and am in, quite a few alliances though. And yeah, I fight, if you're trying to have a pathetic dig about that. Anyway please stop de-railing. If you don't like my list for some reason, give some reasons. Awesome story but how does it end? the three bears come back to the house and eat goldilocks the end
Pnuka GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 15:58:00 - [63] Our side is tough because everyone has stepped up to the number 1 spot at one time or another. You really can't say that for the other side and I think that speaks volumes.
Maasus Maxx GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 15:59:00 - [64] Originally by: Montasque the most important alliances in the great war are ISS and RISE I agree also.
motomysz DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 16:01:00 - [65] Originally by: Maasus Maxx Originally by: Montasque the most important alliances in the great war are ISS and RISE I agree also. How can you discount FIX? They have more e-honour than any alliance I can think of, outside of BoB.
shaerc Tree of Liberty	Posted - 2007.12.18 16:03:00 - [66] Edited by: shaerc on 18/12/2007 16:03:57 Originally by: sakana No RA, and no IAC? Even thought the front is currently in IAC's space? IAC have done jack except get r-caged by everyone and make one awful attempt at attacking a FIX station system. Originally by: Pnuka Our side is tough because everyone has stepped up to the number 1 spot at one time or another. You really can't say that for the other side and I think that speaks volumes. This is quite true. Although BOB hasn't really had a lot of opportunity to recruit strong allies (and if the allies were out there, they've failed badly at securing them). No doubt the lack of important alliances bar a couple in the GBC has partly been due to BOB's poor diplomacy and lack of being able to organise a whole coalition.
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.12.18 16:06:00 - [67] the 9-9 and 66- meatgrinders were the turning point, and that was Goons, RA, TCF and .-A-. afaik
Kera Delacour Evenstar Industries	Posted - 2007.12.18 16:07:00 - [68] Originally by: shaerc Originally by: DaiTengu Originally by: shaerc Originally by: HotSeat Originally by: Dramaticus you should have just stopped after 2 on the BoB side because wow are the other 3 pretty useless Disagree- RISE did keep PL in RIT area for 4-5 weeks, thats alot of griefing that could have been somewhere else. Drivel. RISE had been under attack for months and months before Pandemic moved in. Yes, because goonfleet focused all their attention on them for almost 10 months until the alliance was finally broken. Or, we sent a few roaming gangs their way every week or so and that's what rise wanted you to believe. No, you didn't. You sent plenty of "proper" fleets their way, and plenty of them returned home in pods. You had several aborted attempts to take them out, and if they had appeared weaker you would have killed them off far earlier in the war. Of course, no doubt the fact BOB was supporting RISE throughout much of this time was a big factor too. Pandemic did a terrific job harassing an already fairly strained RISE into exhaustion, and dropping their morale (and ultimately driving them away to Fountain where they would eventually disband). Actually the goons are right. THEY didn't send many true battle fleets against RISE (though they did send a couple, which got pounded and sent home) RISE was harassed/threatened mostly by RA forces that remained in RHG for several weeks after RISE gained sovereignty. RA wasn't fully evicted from RHG until the summer. After which point RISE went fully offensive against KOS. History from that point is blurry but the first major threat to RISE was when KOS hired KIA and KIA pushed RISE back to their home systems for 3 weeks (just as RISE was about to finish off KOS... after that point RISE was never able to really regain the momentum they had in KW-OAM and the offensive stalled and eventually was cancelled). This conflict, while RISE did well, was the first of several that slowly chipped away at RISE's reserves. It didn't help that Burn Eden got their panties in a wad and decided to grief RISE just to prove they could do as well/better than KIA. Then AAA started showing up fairly regularly as did TCF, FREGE, CA, Free, etc. No less than 10 alliances were paying RISE periodic visits, limiting their ability to get back on the offensive and, while RISE was able to counter those enemies the losses did add up and paying rent probably didn't help them any in recovering (hey 6 bil/month could have replaced a lot of ships and built up their cap fleet which they were never truely willing to commit). Once their reserves ran out and they had to stop paying their ship reimbursement program the end was already in sight. People that used to defend stopped because without the refunds they couldn't afford new ships quickly enough. Then PL showed up while half of RISE's remaining combat forces were off in 25s and bad leadership decisions on RISE's part pretty much ended any chance of driving PL off. Within 1.5 weeks pilots were told to stage in 5 different areas. People got sick of it and just stopped logging in. Eventually RISE just couldn't muster forces to defend. PL pilots, I am sure, will vouch that initially RISE did fight back against PL but due to attrition, craptastic leadership decisions and just slow/inadequate communications from leadership slowly stopped fighting until the evacuation decision was made. No ONE alliance killed RISE. The accumulation of battle fatigue from fighting various forces from 10-15 alliances over a 3 month period killed RISE combined with really crappy decisions from the top. ----------- EVNS, bringing quality carebearing to a solar system near you!
Traumatica GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 16:07:00 - [69] Originally by: shaerc Originally by: DaiTengu Originally by: shaerc Originally by: HotSeat Originally by: Dramaticus you should have just stopped after 2 on the BoB side because wow are the other 3 pretty useless Disagree- RISE did keep PL in RIT area for 4-5 weeks, thats alot of griefing that could have been somewhere else. Drivel. RISE had been under attack for months and months before Pandemic moved in. Yes, because goonfleet focused all their attention on them for almost 10 months until the alliance was finally broken. Or, we sent a few roaming gangs their way every week or so and that's what rise wanted you to believe. No, you didn't. You sent plenty of "proper" fleets their way, and plenty of them returned home in pods. You had several aborted attempts to take them out, and if they had appeared weaker you would have killed them off far earlier in the war. Of course, no doubt the fact BOB was supporting RISE throughout much of this time was a big factor too. Pandemic did a terrific job harassing an already fairly strained RISE into exhaustion, and dropping their morale (and ultimately driving them away to Fountain where they would eventually disband). We were busy plowing through all the other crap alliances in Omist and Feyth before we turned full attention to RISE. But hey, if having Black Ops and RA complex teams live in your space is what 'fighting off an invasion' means, then mad props to RISE.
EVIL SYNNs Minmatar The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.18 16:08:00 - [70] If you are talking about the "great war" (after ASCN before baby LV titan popping to present day). Then (imho) the alliance with greatest impact in the war and not mentioned.. YOU WHAT! If it weren't for YOU WHAT switching, then this war would be where we are now (6-8 months ago). D2 were already in Fountain, Razor were in FIX. The North would be in the south and it would have been goodbye BoB well b4 now I would even rate YouWhat above MC (not that MC's take on the north was not awesome) but that might not have happened if YOU WHAT were still in the Northern side. NO SIG REQURIED
Orangir GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 16:09:00 - [71] Originally by: Gneeznow the 9-9 and 66- meatgrinders were the turning point, and that was Goons, RA, TCF and .-A-. afaik and UNL
shaerc Tree of Liberty	Posted - 2007.12.18 16:12:00 - [72] Originally by: Traumatica if having....RA complex teams live in your space is what 'fighting off an invasion' means, then mad props to RISE. Yeah you'd have to be a pretty pathetic alliance to have RA complex teams living in your space everyday Oh wait! That's right!! Hahahahahaha
shaerc Tree of Liberty	Posted - 2007.12.18 16:16:00 - [73] Originally by: EVIL SYNNs If you are talking about the "great war" (after ASCN before baby LV titan popping to present day). Then (imho) the alliance with greatest impact in the war and not mentioned.. YOU WHAT! If it weren't for YOU WHAT switching, then this war would be where we are now (6-8 months ago). D2 were already in Fountain, Razor were in FIX. The North would be in the south and it would have been goodbye BoB well b4 now I would even rate YouWhat above MC (not that MC's take on the north was not awesome) but that might not have happened if YOU WHAT were still in the Northern side. You're wrong. Also didn't you used to be in Xelas or Aftermath or someone like that? God no wonder the Goons are increasingly sneering at Triumverate if you're the level of recruit.
mydingaling Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 16:17:00 - [74] The OP has been living under a rock or smoking them.
shaerc Tree of Liberty	Posted - 2007.12.18 16:23:00 - [75] Originally by: mydingaling The OP has been living under a rock or smoking them. Igneus Auctorita.
Sentinel Eeex Caldari DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 16:23:00 - [76] Take out Goons from that list. We've been only lagging nodes in our noobships/shuttles anyway.
EVIL SYNNs Minmatar The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.18 16:24:00 - [77] Originally by: shaerc Originally by: EVIL SYNNs If you are talking about the "great war" (after ASCN before baby LV titan popping to present day). Then (imho) the alliance with greatest impact in the war and not mentioned.. YOU WHAT! If it weren't for YOU WHAT switching, then this war would be where we are now (6-8 months ago). D2 were already in Fountain, Razor were in FIX. The North would be in the south and it would have been goodbye BoB well b4 now I would even rate YouWhat above MC (not that MC's take on the north was not awesome) but that might not have happened if YOU WHAT were still in the Northern side. You're wrong. Also didn't you used to be in Xelas or Aftermath or someone like that? God no wonder the Goons are increasingly sneering at Triumverate if you're the level of recruit. I'm wrong.. that it.. no argument, no debate.. no wonder I've never heard of you. Have you not even heard of the TRI wagon. NO SIG REQURIED
Dreadllama GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 16:26:00 - [78] In fact you are all wrong. The most important alliance in this war is Youwhat. Mystery solved. It is them. Youwhat. They are the most important alliance.
Sentinel Eeex Caldari DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 16:26:00 - [79] Originally by: shaerc You're wrong. Also didn't you used to be in Xelas or Aftermath or someone like that? God no wonder the Goons are increasingly sneering at Triumverate if you're the level of recruit. Amazing how much time for forum whoring one can get while escorting freighters, isn't it?
mydingaling Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 16:28:00 - [80] Originally by: shaerc Originally by: mydingaling The OP has been living under a rock or smoking them. Igneus Auctorita. Tree of Liberty Your turn.
LASER WATCHER GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 16:32:00 - [81] i have to throw pros out to tri for staying neutral through it all, sending roaming gangs through both bob space and goon space. you are truly a pvp alliance _____
Platinum Sapphire Minmatar Epsilon Financial Bureau GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 16:58:00 - [82] Originally by: shaerc Although BOB hasn't really had a lot of opportunity to recruit strong allies (and if the allies were out there, they've failed badly at *KEEPING* them). Fixed a little typo for you there. Originally by: shaerc No doubt the lack of important alliances bar a couple in the GBC has partly been due to BOB's poor diplomacy and lack of being able to organise a whole coalition. Poor Diplomacy?? Wow... now THAT is the understatement of the year. BoB Leadership's idea of diplomacy: "Give us 6bn ISK a month for ****ty space, and we'll beat you with a stick constantly, AND YOU WILL ENJOY IT... otherwise, you can go back to Jita, Veld, etc..."
RedhawkMillionaire GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 17:35:00 - [83] Originally by: mydingaling Originally by: shaerc Originally by: mydingaling The OP has been living under a rock or smoking them. Igneus Auctorita. Tree of Liberty Your turn. By far the most important corp in this war has been the mighty force known as Tree of Liberty. Not to be confused with Shrub of Freedom and Moss of Independence, Tree of Liberty has been the hammer slamming down on the fingers of all who dare speak against them.
Platinum Sapphire Minmatar Epsilon Financial Bureau GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 17:58:00 - [84] Edited by: Platinum Sapphire on 18/12/2007 17:59:20 Originally by: RedhawkMillionaire Originally by: mydingaling Originally by: shaerc Originally by: mydingaling The OP has been living under a rock or smoking them. Igneus Auctorita. Tree of Liberty Your turn. By far the most important corp in this war has been the mighty force known as Tree of Liberty. Not to be confused with Shrub of Freedom and Moss of Independence, Tree of Liberty has been the hammer slamming down on the fingers of all who dare speak against them. Don't forget the mighty Box-Hedge of Justice... [Edit: fix tpyos...]
duckmonster GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 18:09:00 - [85] Edited by: duckmonster on 18/12/2007 18:10:02 Originally by: Pnuka Our side is tough because everyone has stepped up to the number 1 spot at one time or another. You really can't say that for the other side and I think that speaks volumes. You've hit the nail on the head. Every alliance has pulled its weight, even KOS (by virtue of simply surviving the amount of junk they have). Of the other side. Well, RISE where atrocious. Lots of bravado, but died in a mere few weeks once goons decided to actually invade, ISS where not really relevant, and that really leaves of note, BOB, MC and FIX. Fix I guess are the GBC's KOS. They survive, and MC and BOB , well laffo, are presently beating the snot out of each other. Also, why do people forget Mantrain inc? The peoples choice in the EON awards. -----------
Narciss Sevar Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.12.18 18:11:00 - [86] Originally by: Gneeznow the 9-9 and 66- meatgrinders were the turning point, and that was Goons, RA, TCF and .-A-. afaik Everyone knows smashkill made the massive turning point in the war in 9-9. **** goons.
Atama Cardel GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 18:13:00 - [87] Edited by: Atama Cardel on 18/12/2007 18:13:16 Originally by: Xeno Metamorph uhm, I don't see any Red Alliance in there
CrispyKritters Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 18:28:00 - [88] Originally by: Juha85 Originally by: duckmonster Goonswarm few victories Other than all of them? I can't think of any Alliances we've lost to and I don't think there are any. Even "The big one", BOB, we kinda drove out of the south. Goonswarm on its own hasn't achieved anything. Or atleast im yet to see the goon-only fleet do anything. The goon meatshield combined with the RA capital fleet on the other hand... We did something, we helped to create your alliance
SunglassesInSpace GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 18:33:00 - [89] Originally by: EVIL SYNNs If you are talking about the "great war" (after ASCN before baby LV titan popping to present day). Then (imho) the alliance with greatest impact in the war and not mentioned.. YOU WHAT! If it weren't for YOU WHAT switching, then this war would be where we are now (6-8 months ago). D2 were already in Fountain, Razor were in FIX. The North would be in the south and it would have been goodbye BoB well b4 now I would even rate YouWhat above MC (not that MC's take on the north was not awesome) but that might not have happened if YOU WHAT were still in the Northern side. That is so true. An alliance I've only heard the name of is the most important alliance because of something they could have done but didn't and slipped into obscurity.
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.18 19:04:00 - [90] LV and youwhat: lv for epic fail and killing itself/bob, youwhat for killing d2 and overextending the gbc north, allowing those alliances to fail-cascade one by one until only cow and m.pire were left. Originally by: Narciss Sevar Originally by: Gneeznow the 9-9 and 66- meatgrinders were the turning point, and that was Goons, RA, TCF and .-A-. afaik Everyone knows smashkill made the massive turning point in the war in 9-9. **** goons. lol. I think we were still red with ra at the time, so I doubt anyone would claim that. If i remember right that was about the same time that CoW/Riot/Infod invaded, so regardless what could have happened had things not gone sour with RA, we probably would have been busy anyways. Your signature graphic must reflect your ingame persona as per The Forum rules - Kreul Intentions ([email protected])

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