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shaerc
Tree of Liberty
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Posted - 2007.12.18 14:50:00 -
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Edited by: shaerc on 18/12/2007 14:55:44
With the war allegedly winding down and entering it's final big phase, who does everyone think has been the most important alliances for both sides, and had the most impact?
For me I'd say
BOB Side:
1. BOB
2. MC - Run BOB very close for top spot for their job hitting the Northern powerblock and then strong work in Querious/Catch
3. FIX - For consistancy and staying power mostly
4. RISE - Often mocked but really lasted way beyond most peoples expectations, and provided a good buffer
5. AXE - did a good job in Fountain early in the war, stuck with BOB a long time, seem to have faded now from view
The BOB side has really though mostly been the BOB and MC show, with a lot of smaller helping alliances.
Coalition side:
1. -A- - The most heavy weight Coalition alliance. Seemed to be the only alliance with the power and poise to really get at the BOB capital fleet during BOB's peak. Helped IAC as well as opening up another front.
2. Tau Ceti Federation - Debatable? Have become more important as the war has gone on. Under rated alliance. Have done tremendous work recently and really carried the fight.
3. Pandemic Legion - Played an important role in whittling down the meatshield between BOB and the Coalition
4. Goonswarm - Few victories, but have fought tirelessly
5. Razor - The one northern alliance who has really stuck with this war from start to finish
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DaiTengu
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 14:52:00 -
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Edited by: DaiTengu on 18/12/2007 14:53:27
Apparently you haven't kept up on current events.
Removed - Valorem
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Doctor Tycho
Caldari
Arutha loyals
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Posted - 2007.12.18 14:52:00 -
[3]
Judging by forum presence i would say goonswarm on both sides.
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Xeno Metamorph
Gallente
Domination.
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Posted - 2007.12.18 14:53:00 -
[4]
uhm, I don't see no Red Alliance in there :x
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Ponderous Thunderstroke
Republic War Machine Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.18 14:54:00 -
[5]
 Originally by: Doctor Tycho
Judging by forum presence i would say goonswarm on both sides.
If forum presence is your measuring stick, then Goonswarm is the only force in the universe stronger than Dark Shikari.
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Sir Molly
Caldari
The heart means i love you
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Posted - 2007.12.18 14:54:00 -
[6]
Great post, i love reading things, hope you post some more.
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EVIL SYNNs
Minmatar
The Illuminati.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.18 14:54:00 -
[7]
yeah, no Red Alliance... sorry but are you new?
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shaerc
Tree of Liberty
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Posted - 2007.12.18 14:55:00 -
[8]
Originally by: Xeno Metamorph
uhm, I don't see no Red Alliance in there :x
To be perfectly honest, they have been half hearted the entire war.
A few periods of heavy involvement with their cap fleet, but spent more time generally chasing ROADKILL and other involvements.
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Nero Winger
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.18 14:55:00 -
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without bob there most probably would not be such a thing like the great war. so your question is answered i hope.
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DaiTengu
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 14:59:00 -
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Edited by: DaiTengu on 18/12/2007 14:59:38
Originally by: Nero Winger
without bob there most probably would not be such a thing like the great war. so your question is answered i hope.
typical bob egotistical bull****.
without goonswarm there wouldn't be a great war
without RA there wouldn't be a great war.
without TCF there wouldn't be a great war.
Edit: HA, quoted your failure.
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Varicella Zoster
The Arrow Project
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.12.18 14:59:00 -
[11]
Originally by: shaerc
Edited by: shaerc on 18/12/2007 14:55:445. Razor - The one northern alliance who has really stuck with this war from start to finish
In the meantime, MM has been mining Veldspar.
Oh, and the MH capital fleet in Fountain is an imaginary one!
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Sir Molly
Caldari
The heart means i love you
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:00:00 -
[12]
Originally by: DaiTengu
Originally by: Nero Winger
without bob there most probably would not be such a thing like the great war. so your question is answered i hope.
typical bob egotistical bull****.
without goonswarm there wouldn't be a great war
without RA there wouldn't be a great war.
without TCF there wouldn't be a great war.
Without your posting there would be a great forum
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DaiTengu
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:00:00 -
[13]
Originally by: Sir Molly
Originally by: DaiTengu
Originally by: Nero Winger
without bob there most probably would not be such a thing like the great war. so your question is answered i hope.
typical bob egotistical bull****.
without goonswarm there wouldn't be a great war
without RA there wouldn't be a great war.
without TCF there wouldn't be a great war.
Without your posting there would be a great forum
:argh:
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shaerc
Tree of Liberty
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:01:00 -
[14]
Originally by: EVIL SYNNs
yeah, no Red Alliance... sorry but are you new?
I think Razor deserve more credit. They were the only nothern alliance to show full commitment. They fought hard at the start. Got rolled up by MC. Bounced back, returned South and have been fighting ever since.
For persistantly fighting and putting pressure on BOB through out the course of the war, I think they pipped Red Alliance's occassional if powerful contributions.
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Minariel
Gallente
Criminal Investigation Division
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:02:00 -
[15]
Hmm, Red Alliance has been a no show for most of the engagement with BoB, and if you call forum whoring by Goonswarm a significant contribution, I wonder who has been carrying the real weight, definately not Goonswarm.
Originally by: Doctor Tycho
Judging by forum presence i would say goonswarm on both sides.
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shaerc
Tree of Liberty
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:03:00 -
[16]
Originally by: Varicella Zoster
Originally by: shaerc
Edited by: shaerc on 18/12/2007 14:55:445. Razor - The one northern alliance who has really stuck with this war from start to finish
In the meantime, MM has been mining Veldspar.
Oh, and the MH capital fleet in Fountain is an imaginary one!
I'm not saying MM have fought badly. I don't consider yourself one of the heavy hitters or major shapers of the war though. I don't think MM's effect has been more than a whole range of alliances. Do your own list if you disagree.
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Nero Winger
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:04:00 -
[17]
Originally by: DaiTengu
Edited by: DaiTengu on 18/12/2007 14:59:38
Originally by: Nero Winger
without bob there most probably would not be such a thing like the great war. so your question is answered i hope.
typical bob egotistical bull****.
without goonswarm there wouldn't be a great war
without RA there wouldn't be a great war.
without TCF there wouldn't be a great war.
Edit: HA, quoted your failure.
you are fast 
my point stands, i changed it because of forum trolls and to think on the greater picture and save my ally from beein flamed. And i did not changed it to something but furthermore to somebody i consider as friends since this war has begun ofc alongside with other alliances.
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Sir Molly
Caldari
The heart means i love you
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:04:00 -
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Edited by: Sir Molly on 18/12/2007 15:04:19
Originally by: Minariel
Hmm, Red Alliance has been a no show for most of the engagement with BoB, and if you call forum whoring by Goonswarm a significant contribution, I wonder who has been carrying the real weight, definately not Goonswarm.
Hmm, yes, one wonders... *stares solemnly to the distance*
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SunglassesInSpace
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:04:00 -
[19]
is this thread a necro?
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fell1234
Heracles.
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:05:00 -
[20]
Originally by: shaerc
Originally by: EVIL SYNNs
yeah, no Red Alliance... sorry but are you new?
I think Razor deserve more credit. They were the only nothern alliance to show full commitment. They fought hard at the start. Got rolled up by MC. Bounced back, returned South and have been fighting ever since.
For persistantly fighting and putting pressure on BOB through out the course of the war, I think they pipped Red Alliance's occassional if powerful contributions.
Really should post when its evident you havent played much. You do smell of ex-goon tbqh tho.
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DaiTengu
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:07:00 -
[21]
If ever a thread was lock-worthy....
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Sir Molly
Caldari
The heart means i love you
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:07:00 -
[22]
Originally by: DaiTengu
If ever a thread was lock-worthy....
Its any thread you post in
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Knocturnal
omen.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:07:00 -
[23]
Originally by: Xeno Metamorph
uhm, I don't see no Red Alliance in there :x
Red Alliance = Goonswarm ... Don't you get everyone siding with goonz become goonz.. 
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shaerc
Tree of Liberty
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:09:00 -
[24]
Edited by: shaerc on 18/12/2007 15:09:13
Originally by: fell1234
Originally by: shaerc
Originally by: EVIL SYNNs
yeah, no Red Alliance... sorry but are you new?
I think Razor deserve more credit. They were the only nothern alliance to show full commitment. They fought hard at the start. Got rolled up by MC. Bounced back, returned South and have been fighting ever since.
For persistantly fighting and putting pressure on BOB through out the course of the war, I think they pipped Red Alliance's occassional if powerful contributions.
Really should post when its evident you havent played much. You do smell of ex-goon tbqh tho.
I've been fully involved from day one, with characters in alliances on both sides of the war at various times.
I don't know what your problem is. Do your own list if you don't like mine. Red Alliance are a really good alliance, no disrespect to them. They are one of the best in the game when properly motivated. I just don't think they deserve as much credit or have played a big enough part over time to be on my list.
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Jeremy Paxman
Special Doc
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:11:00 -
[25]
Originally by: Knocturnal
THReAd Alliance = Goonswarm ... Don't you get everyone siding with goonz become goonz..
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fell1234
Heracles.
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:11:00 -
[26]
Originally by: shaerc
Edited by: shaerc on 18/12/2007 15:09:13
Originally by: fell1234
Originally by: shaerc
Originally by: EVIL SYNNs
yeah, no Red Alliance... sorry but are you new?
I think Razor deserve more credit. They were the only nothern alliance to show full commitment. They fought hard at the start. Got rolled up by MC. Bounced back, returned South and have been fighting ever since.
For persistantly fighting and putting pressure on BOB through out the course of the war, I think they pipped Red Alliance's occassional if powerful contributions.
Really should post when its evident you havent played much. You do smell of ex-goon tbqh tho.
I've been fully involved from day one, with characters in alliances on both sides of the war at various times.
I don't know what your problem is. Do your own list if you don't like mine. Red Alliance are a really good alliance, no disrespect to them. They are one of the best in the game when properly motivated. I just don't think they deserve as much credit or have played a big enough part over time to be on my list.
Thats kind of why its evident you are an armchair eve player. You still smell of ex-goon btw. Mind naming your goon char?
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Sir Molly
Caldari
The heart means i love you
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:12:00 -
[27]
Spam removed. Please stay on topic - Valorem
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duckmonster
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:12:00 -
[28]
Goonswarm few victories 
Other than all of them? I can't think of any Alliances we've lost to and I don't think there are any.  Even "The big one", BOB, we kinda drove out of the south.
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shaerc
Tree of Liberty
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:15:00 -
[29]
Originally by: fell1234
Thats kind of why its evident you are an armchair eve player. You still smell of ex-goon btw. Mind naming your goon char?
I'm a.....what?
Am I supposed to play standing up or something?
"ex-goon" depends what you mean. I've had an account on SA years before Goonfleet was made, or any of the Goon corps which predated Goonfleet for that matter. I've had several alts although not my main in Goonfleet at several times. I've been in, and am in, quite a few alliances though. And yeah, I fight, if you're trying to have a pathetic dig about that.
Anyway please stop de-railing. If you don't like my list for some reason, give some reasons.
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fell1234
Heracles.
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:16:00 -
[30]
Originally by: shaerc
Originally by: fell1234
Thats kind of why its evident you are an armchair eve player. You still smell of ex-goon btw. Mind naming your goon char?
I'm a.....what?
Am I supposed to play standing up or something?
"ex-goon" depends what you mean. I've had an account on SA years before Goonfleet was made, or any of the Goon corps which predated Goonfleet for that matter. I've had several alts although not my main in Goonfleet at several times. I've been in, and am in, quite a few alliances though. And yeah, I fight, if you're trying to have a pathetic dig about that.
Anyway please stop de-railing. If you don't like my list for some reason, give some reasons.
Awesome story but how does it end?
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Dramaticus
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:17:00 -
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you should have just stopped after 2 on the BoB side because wow are the other 3 pretty useless
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Sir Molly
Caldari
The heart means i love you
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:17:00 -
[32]
Originally by: fell1234
Awesome story but how does it end?
♫♪ It's the journey, not the destination ♫♪
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shaerc
Tree of Liberty
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:19:00 -
[33]
Edited by: shaerc on 18/12/2007 15:26:04
Edited by: shaerc on 18/12/2007 15:20:38
Originally by: duckmonster
Goonswarm few victories
Other than all of them? I can't think of any Alliances we've lost to and I don't think there are any. Even "The big one", BOB, we kinda drove out of the south.
I wasn't having a go, be chill. Goonswarm have been an important component of many mixed Coalition fleets. I wasn't implying otherwise. I don't think you've done so well purely on your own merits, compared to say -A- though.
God, if I knew everyone was going to be so defensive about where their alliances were placed...
You can disagree with me on who think has been most important, please post it.
I was more wondering what everyone thought, than wanting my own list critiqued. I accept my list is merely my own personal experiences.
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer
Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:19:00 -
[34]
LV was the single most important alliance in the war:
1. Failing to take out RA when it was on its last leg
2. Failing to keep their allies, allowing RA to beat them back
3. Failing to aid ASCN, allowing BoB to conquer more space than it could hold
4. Failing altogether
5. Defecting to BoB, taking the fail with them
6. Riding with MC to the North, only to fail again once MC left, allowing the North to respawn
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Muro Deez
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:19:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Sir Molly
Originally by: fell1234
Awesome story but how does it end?
♫♪ It's the journey, not the destination ♫♪
~sun tzu
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Ithur'Iul
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:21:00 -
[36]
Most important CAOD topics in this war:
1. Not this one
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Sir Molly
Caldari
The heart means i love you
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:23:00 -
[37]
Such impressive posting! O___O
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Martin Mckenna
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:23:00 -
[38]
what a circle jerk
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Juha85
Beasts of Burden
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:24:00 -
[39]
Originally by: duckmonster
Goonswarm few victories
Other than all of them? I can't think of any Alliances we've lost to and I don't think there are any. Even "The big one", BOB, we kinda drove out of the south.
Goonswarm on its own hasn't achieved anything. Or atleast im yet to see the goon-only fleet do anything. The goon meatshield combined with the RA capital fleet on the other hand...
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Omega Man
The Geddy Foundation
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:25:00 -
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I am just amazed how many people woke up over the weekend and realised they had been Goons all along.
Its created a new underclass in Eve.
So congratulations Goons, you are no longer the lowest rung of the ladder, although I suspect some of you will be disappointed to discover there are people in game lamer than yourselves.
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Moon Kitten
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:25:00 -
[41]
Don't forget about Southern Connection. They played an important part.
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Sir Molly
Caldari
The heart means i love you
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:28:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Omega Man
I am just amazed how many people woke up over the weekend and realised they had been Goons all along.
Its created a new underclass in Eve.
So congratulations Goons, you are no longer the lowest rung of the ladder, although I suspect some of you will be disappointed to discover there are people in game lamer than yourselves.
People who join ineffectual signature bandwagons?
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shaerc
Tree of Liberty
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:29:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Dramaticus
you should have just stopped after 2 on the BoB side because wow are the other 3 pretty useless
Well...
There's definitely a drop off after 2) on the BOB list. BOB's war has more been a bit of a one or two man effort, with a big but slightly unimportant supporting cast. The coalition is a more even effort.
But credit to a lot of the GBC alliances. It took the Coalition a long time to chew through them and they have fought hard. RMF, RISE, FIX, AXE and others have done a good job.
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HotSeat
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:29:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Dramaticus
you should have just stopped after 2 on the BoB side because wow are the other 3 pretty useless
Disagree- RISE did keep PL in RIT area for 4-5 weeks, thats alot of griefing that could have been somewhere else.
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Dramaticus
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:31:00 -
[45]
Spam removed. Please stay on topic - Valorem
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shaerc
Tree of Liberty
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:31:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Juha85
Originally by: duckmonster
Goonswarm few victories
Other than all of them? I can't think of any Alliances we've lost to and I don't think there are any. Even "The big one", BOB, we kinda drove out of the south.
Goonswarm on its own hasn't achieved anything. Or atleast im yet to see the goon-only fleet do anything. The goon meatshield combined with the RA capital fleet on the other hand...
They've won plenty of battles by themselves from what I've seen. They are more a supporting alliance though, and maybe lack a bit of punch despite their size by themselves. They've worked hard.
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shaerc
Tree of Liberty
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:32:00 -
[47]
Originally by: HotSeat
Originally by: Dramaticus
you should have just stopped after 2 on the BoB side because wow are the other 3 pretty useless
Disagree- RISE did keep PL in RIT area for 4-5 weeks, thats alot of griefing that could have been somewhere else.
Drivel. RISE had been under attack for months and months before Pandemic moved in.
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DaiTengu
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:34:00 -
[48]
Originally by: shaerc
Originally by: HotSeat
Originally by: Dramaticus
you should have just stopped after 2 on the BoB side because wow are the other 3 pretty useless
Disagree- RISE did keep PL in RIT area for 4-5 weeks, thats alot of griefing that could have been somewhere else.
Drivel. RISE had been under attack for months and months before Pandemic moved in.
Yes, because goonfleet focused all their attention on them for almost 10 months until the alliance was finally broken.
Or, we sent a few roaming gangs their way every week or so and that's what rise wanted you to believe.
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Juha85
Beasts of Burden
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:35:00 -
[49]
Originally by: shaerc
Originally by: Juha85
Originally by: duckmonster
Goonswarm few victories
Other than all of them? I can't think of any Alliances we've lost to and I don't think there are any. Even "The big one", BOB, we kinda drove out of the south.
Goonswarm on its own hasn't achieved anything. Or atleast im yet to see the goon-only fleet do anything. The goon meatshield combined with the RA capital fleet on the other hand...
They've won plenty of battles by themselves from what I've seen. They are more a supporting alliance though, and maybe lack a bit of punch despite their size by themselves. They've worked hard.
Yes and thats why i agree with your earlier assesment that you cant really put many victories under goons belt. They are infact the support fleet that is capable of bringing a massive blob to any given occassion. This blob alone though, cant achieve much from what I have seen.
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Muro Deez
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:36:00 -
[50]
Spam removed. Please stay on topic - Valorem
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shaerc
Tree of Liberty
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:38:00 -
[51]
Originally by: DaiTengu
Originally by: shaerc
Originally by: HotSeat
Originally by: Dramaticus
you should have just stopped after 2 on the BoB side because wow are the other 3 pretty useless
Disagree- RISE did keep PL in RIT area for 4-5 weeks, thats alot of griefing that could have been somewhere else.
Drivel. RISE had been under attack for months and months before Pandemic moved in.
Yes, because goonfleet focused all their attention on them for almost 10 months until the alliance was finally broken.
Or, we sent a few roaming gangs their way every week or so and that's what rise wanted you to believe.
No, you didn't. You sent plenty of "proper" fleets their way, and plenty of them returned home in pods. You had several aborted attempts to take them out, and if they had appeared weaker you would have killed them off far earlier in the war.
Of course, no doubt the fact BOB was supporting RISE throughout much of this time was a big factor too.
Pandemic did a terrific job harassing an already fairly strained RISE into exhaustion, and dropping their morale (and ultimately driving them away to Fountain where they would eventually disband).
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Flavor Country
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:49:00 -
[52]
goonies have never won a fleet battle tbqh
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TrevorReznik
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:52:00 -
[53]
Goonswarm's only true victory is getting other people to like them, despite being totally obnoxious.
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Montasque
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:52:00 -
[54]
the most important alliances in the great war are ISS and RISE
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Cadence Redwood
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:53:00 -
[55]
WANG was the largest and meatiest alliance of all time. Alas, goons loved WANG too much, and WANG is now firmly stuck inside of Goonswarm.
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DaiTengu
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:53:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Montasque
the most important alliances in the great war are ISS and RISE
welp.
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Zell Shadowcast
The Greater Goon
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:54:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Cadence Redwood
WANG was the largest and meatiest alliance of all time. Alas, goons loved WANG too much, and WANG is now firmly stuck inside of Goonswarm.
I thought WANG had a lot to do with ARSEd.
But really, we all know the greater goon is the best alliance in the game. And we are a corporation, what does that say about you guys?
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von Goethe
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:54:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Montasque
the most important alliances in the great war are ISS and RISE
Well you heard it folks all over now nothing to see here.
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sakana
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:56:00 -
[59]
No RA, and no IAC? Even thought the front is currently in IAC's space?
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von Goethe
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:57:00 -
[60]
Unfortunately WANG has become impotent recently, much too early in its life, before we could even help the war by thrusting deep into Fountain.
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motomysz
DarkStar 1
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:57:00 -
[61]
Tau Ceti was underestimated, but we're well aware what theyre worth (aka more than FIX and RISE put together, multiplied by ten). Also, Pandemic Legion is well recognized for their massive achievements with even a few pilots, let alone their full efforts.
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Perianwyr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:58:00 -
[62]
Originally by: fell1234
Originally by: shaerc
Originally by: fell1234
Thats kind of why its evident you are an armchair eve player. You still smell of ex-goon btw. Mind naming your goon char?
I'm a.....what?
Am I supposed to play standing up or something?
"ex-goon" depends what you mean. I've had an account on SA years before Goonfleet was made, or any of the Goon corps which predated Goonfleet for that matter. I've had several alts although not my main in Goonfleet at several times. I've been in, and am in, quite a few alliances though. And yeah, I fight, if you're trying to have a pathetic dig about that.
Anyway please stop de-railing. If you don't like my list for some reason, give some reasons.
Awesome story but how does it end?
the three bears come back to the house and eat goldilocks
the end
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Pnuka
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:58:00 -
[63]
Our side is tough because everyone has stepped up to the number 1 spot at one time or another. You really can't say that for the other side and I think that speaks volumes.
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Maasus Maxx
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:59:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Montasque
the most important alliances in the great war are ISS and RISE
I agree also.
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motomysz
DarkStar 1
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 16:01:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Maasus Maxx
Originally by: Montasque
the most important alliances in the great war are ISS and RISE
I agree also.
How can you discount FIX? They have more e-honour than any alliance I can think of, outside of BoB.
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shaerc
Tree of Liberty
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Posted - 2007.12.18 16:03:00 -
[66]
Edited by: shaerc on 18/12/2007 16:03:57
Originally by: sakana
No RA, and no IAC? Even thought the front is currently in IAC's space?
IAC have done jack except get r-caged by everyone and make one awful attempt at attacking a FIX station system.
Originally by: Pnuka
Our side is tough because everyone has stepped up to the number 1 spot at one time or another. You really can't say that for the other side and I think that speaks volumes.
This is quite true. Although BOB hasn't really had a lot of opportunity to recruit strong allies (and if the allies were out there, they've failed badly at securing them).
No doubt the lack of important alliances bar a couple in the GBC has partly been due to BOB's poor diplomacy and lack of being able to organise a whole coalition.
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Gneeznow
Minmatar
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.18 16:06:00 -
[67]
the 9-9 and 66- meatgrinders were the turning point, and that was Goons, RA, TCF and .-A-. afaik
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Kera Delacour
Evenstar Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.18 16:07:00 -
[68]
Originally by: shaerc
Originally by: DaiTengu
Originally by: shaerc
Originally by: HotSeat
Originally by: Dramaticus
you should have just stopped after 2 on the BoB side because wow are the other 3 pretty useless
Disagree- RISE did keep PL in RIT area for 4-5 weeks, thats alot of griefing that could have been somewhere else.
Drivel. RISE had been under attack for months and months before Pandemic moved in.
Yes, because goonfleet focused all their attention on them for almost 10 months until the alliance was finally broken.
Or, we sent a few roaming gangs their way every week or so and that's what rise wanted you to believe.
No, you didn't. You sent plenty of "proper" fleets their way, and plenty of them returned home in pods. You had several aborted attempts to take them out, and if they had appeared weaker you would have killed them off far earlier in the war.
Of course, no doubt the fact BOB was supporting RISE throughout much of this time was a big factor too.
Pandemic did a terrific job harassing an already fairly strained RISE into exhaustion, and dropping their morale (and ultimately driving them away to Fountain where they would eventually disband).
Actually the goons are right. THEY didn't send many true battle fleets against RISE (though they did send a couple, which got pounded and sent home) RISE was harassed/threatened mostly by RA forces that remained in RHG for several weeks after RISE gained sovereignty. RA wasn't fully evicted from RHG until the summer. After which point RISE went fully offensive against KOS.
History from that point is blurry but the first major threat to RISE was when KOS hired KIA and KIA pushed RISE back to their home systems for 3 weeks (just as RISE was about to finish off KOS... after that point RISE was never able to really regain the momentum they had in KW-OAM and the offensive stalled and eventually was cancelled). This conflict, while RISE did well, was the first of several that slowly chipped away at RISE's reserves.
It didn't help that Burn Eden got their panties in a wad and decided to grief RISE just to prove they could do as well/better than KIA. Then AAA started showing up fairly regularly as did TCF, FREGE, CA, Free, etc. No less than 10 alliances were paying RISE periodic visits, limiting their ability to get back on the offensive and, while RISE was able to counter those enemies the losses did add up and paying rent probably didn't help them any in recovering (hey 6 bil/month could have replaced a lot of ships and built up their cap fleet which they were never truely willing to commit).
Once their reserves ran out and they had to stop paying their ship reimbursement program the end was already in sight. People that used to defend stopped because without the refunds they couldn't afford new ships quickly enough. Then PL showed up while half of RISE's remaining combat forces were off in 25s and bad leadership decisions on RISE's part pretty much ended any chance of driving PL off. Within 1.5 weeks pilots were told to stage in 5 different areas. People got sick of it and just stopped logging in. Eventually RISE just couldn't muster forces to defend. PL pilots, I am sure, will vouch that initially RISE did fight back against PL but due to attrition, craptastic leadership decisions and just slow/inadequate communications from leadership slowly stopped fighting until the evacuation decision was made.
No ONE alliance killed RISE. The accumulation of battle fatigue from fighting various forces from 10-15 alliances over a 3 month period killed RISE combined with really crappy decisions from the top.
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Traumatica
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 16:07:00 -
[69]
Originally by: shaerc
Originally by: DaiTengu
Originally by: shaerc
Originally by: HotSeat
Originally by: Dramaticus
you should have just stopped after 2 on the BoB side because wow are the other 3 pretty useless
Disagree- RISE did keep PL in RIT area for 4-5 weeks, thats alot of griefing that could have been somewhere else.
Drivel. RISE had been under attack for months and months before Pandemic moved in.
Yes, because goonfleet focused all their attention on them for almost 10 months until the alliance was finally broken.
Or, we sent a few roaming gangs their way every week or so and that's what rise wanted you to believe.
No, you didn't. You sent plenty of "proper" fleets their way, and plenty of them returned home in pods. You had several aborted attempts to take them out, and if they had appeared weaker you would have killed them off far earlier in the war.
Of course, no doubt the fact BOB was supporting RISE throughout much of this time was a big factor too.
Pandemic did a terrific job harassing an already fairly strained RISE into exhaustion, and dropping their morale (and ultimately driving them away to Fountain where they would eventually disband).
We were busy plowing through all the other crap alliances in Omist and Feyth before we turned full attention to RISE. But hey, if having Black Ops and RA complex teams live in your space is what 'fighting off an invasion' means, then mad props to RISE.
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EVIL SYNNs
Minmatar
The Illuminati.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.18 16:08:00 -
[70]
If you are talking about the "great war" (after ASCN before baby LV titan popping to present day). Then (imho) the alliance with greatest impact in the war and not mentioned.. YOU WHAT!
If it weren't for YOU WHAT switching, then this war would be where we are now (6-8 months ago). D2 were already in Fountain, Razor were in FIX.
The North would be in the south and it would have been goodbye BoB well b4 now
I would even rate YouWhat above MC (not that MC's take on the north was not awesome) but that might not have happened if YOU WHAT were still in the Northern side.
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Orangir
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 16:09:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Gneeznow
the 9-9 and 66- meatgrinders were the turning point, and that was Goons, RA, TCF and .-A-. afaik
and UNL
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shaerc
Tree of Liberty
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Posted - 2007.12.18 16:12:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Traumatica
if having....RA complex teams live in your space is what 'fighting off an invasion' means, then mad props to RISE.
Yeah you'd have to be a pretty pathetic alliance to have RA complex teams living in your space everyday
Oh wait! That's right!! Hahahahahaha
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shaerc
Tree of Liberty
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Posted - 2007.12.18 16:16:00 -
[73]
Originally by: EVIL SYNNs
If you are talking about the "great war" (after ASCN before baby LV titan popping to present day). Then (imho) the alliance with greatest impact in the war and not mentioned.. YOU WHAT!
If it weren't for YOU WHAT switching, then this war would be where we are now (6-8 months ago). D2 were already in Fountain, Razor were in FIX.
The North would be in the south and it would have been goodbye BoB well b4 now
I would even rate YouWhat above MC (not that MC's take on the north was not awesome) but that might not have happened if YOU WHAT were still in the Northern side.
You're wrong. Also didn't you used to be in Xelas or Aftermath or someone like that? God no wonder the Goons are increasingly sneering at Triumverate if you're the level of recruit.
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mydingaling
Igneus Auctorita
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 16:17:00 -
[74]
The OP has been living under a rock or smoking them.
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shaerc
Tree of Liberty
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Posted - 2007.12.18 16:23:00 -
[75]
Originally by: mydingaling
The OP has been living under a rock or smoking them.
Igneus Auctorita.
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Sentinel Eeex
Caldari
DarkStar 1
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 16:23:00 -
[76]
Take out Goons from that list.
We've been only lagging nodes in our noobships/shuttles anyway.
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EVIL SYNNs
Minmatar
The Illuminati.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.18 16:24:00 -
[77]
Originally by: shaerc
Originally by: EVIL SYNNs
If you are talking about the "great war" (after ASCN before baby LV titan popping to present day). Then (imho) the alliance with greatest impact in the war and not mentioned.. YOU WHAT!
If it weren't for YOU WHAT switching, then this war would be where we are now (6-8 months ago). D2 were already in Fountain, Razor were in FIX.
The North would be in the south and it would have been goodbye BoB well b4 now
I would even rate YouWhat above MC (not that MC's take on the north was not awesome) but that might not have happened if YOU WHAT were still in the Northern side.
You're wrong. Also didn't you used to be in Xelas or Aftermath or someone like that? God no wonder the Goons are increasingly sneering at Triumverate if you're the level of recruit.
I'm wrong.. that it.. no argument, no debate.. no wonder I've never heard of you. Have you not even heard of the TRI wagon.
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Dreadllama
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 16:26:00 -
[78]
In fact you are all wrong. The most important alliance in this war is Youwhat. Mystery solved. It is them. Youwhat. They are the most important alliance.
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Sentinel Eeex
Caldari
DarkStar 1
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 16:26:00 -
[79]
Originally by: shaerc
You're wrong. Also didn't you used to be in Xelas or Aftermath or someone like that? God no wonder the Goons are increasingly sneering at Triumverate if you're the level of recruit.
Amazing how much time for forum whoring one can get while escorting freighters, isn't it?
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mydingaling
Igneus Auctorita
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 16:28:00 -
[80]
Originally by: shaerc
Originally by: mydingaling
The OP has been living under a rock or smoking them.
Igneus Auctorita.
Tree of Liberty 
Your turn. 
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LASER WATCHER
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 16:32:00 -
[81]
i have to throw pros out to tri for staying neutral through it all, sending roaming gangs through both bob space and goon space. you are truly a pvp alliance
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Platinum Sapphire
Minmatar
Epsilon Financial Bureau
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 16:58:00 -
[82]
Originally by: shaerc
Although BOB hasn't really had a lot of opportunity to recruit strong allies (and if the allies were out there, they've failed badly at KEEPING them).
Fixed a little typo for you there.
Originally by: shaerc
No doubt the lack of important alliances bar a couple in the GBC has partly been due to BOB's poor diplomacy and lack of being able to organise a whole coalition.
Poor Diplomacy?? Wow... now THAT is the understatement of the year.
BoB Leadership's idea of diplomacy: "Give us 6bn ISK a month for ****ty space, and we'll beat you with a stick constantly, AND YOU WILL ENJOY IT... otherwise, you can go back to Jita, Veld, etc..."
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RedhawkMillionaire
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 17:35:00 -
[83]
Originally by: mydingaling
Originally by: shaerc
Originally by: mydingaling
The OP has been living under a rock or smoking them.
Igneus Auctorita.
Tree of Liberty
Your turn.
By far the most important corp in this war has been the mighty force known as Tree of Liberty. Not to be confused with Shrub of Freedom and Moss of Independence, Tree of Liberty has been the hammer slamming down on the fingers of all who dare speak against them.
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Platinum Sapphire
Minmatar
Epsilon Financial Bureau
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 17:58:00 -
[84]
Edited by: Platinum Sapphire on 18/12/2007 17:59:20
Originally by: RedhawkMillionaire
Originally by: mydingaling
Originally by: shaerc
Originally by: mydingaling
The OP has been living under a rock or smoking them.
Igneus Auctorita.
Tree of Liberty
Your turn.
By far the most important corp in this war has been the mighty force known as Tree of Liberty. Not to be confused with Shrub of Freedom and Moss of Independence, Tree of Liberty has been the hammer slamming down on the fingers of all who dare speak against them.
Don't forget the mighty Box-Hedge of Justice...
[Edit: fix tpyos...]
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duckmonster
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 18:09:00 -
[85]
Edited by: duckmonster on 18/12/2007 18:10:02
Originally by: Pnuka
Our side is tough because everyone has stepped up to the number 1 spot at one time or another. You really can't say that for the other side and I think that speaks volumes.
You've hit the nail on the head. Every alliance has pulled its weight, even KOS (by virtue of simply *surviving* the amount of junk they have).
Of the other side. Well, RISE where atrocious. Lots of bravado, but died in a mere few weeks once goons decided to actually invade, ISS where not really relevant, and that really leaves of note, BOB, MC and FIX. Fix I guess are the GBC's KOS. They survive, and MC and BOB , well laffo, are presently beating the snot out of each other.
Also, why do people forget Mantrain inc? The peoples choice in the EON awards.
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Narciss Sevar
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.18 18:11:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Gneeznow
the 9-9 and 66- meatgrinders were the turning point, and that was Goons, RA, TCF and .-A-. afaik
Everyone knows smashkill made the massive turning point in the war in 9-9. **** goons.
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Atama Cardel
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 18:13:00 -
[87]
Edited by: Atama Cardel on 18/12/2007 18:13:16
Originally by: Xeno Metamorph
uhm, I don't see any Red Alliance in there
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CrispyKritters
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 18:28:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Juha85
Originally by: duckmonster
Goonswarm few victories
Other than all of them? I can't think of any Alliances we've lost to and I don't think there are any. Even "The big one", BOB, we kinda drove out of the south.
Goonswarm on its own hasn't achieved anything. Or atleast im yet to see the goon-only fleet do anything. The goon meatshield combined with the RA capital fleet on the other hand...
We did something, we helped to create your alliance
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SunglassesInSpace
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 18:33:00 -
[89]
Originally by: EVIL SYNNs
If you are talking about the "great war" (after ASCN before baby LV titan popping to present day). Then (imho) the alliance with greatest impact in the war and not mentioned.. YOU WHAT!
If it weren't for YOU WHAT switching, then this war would be where we are now (6-8 months ago). D2 were already in Fountain, Razor were in FIX.
The North would be in the south and it would have been goodbye BoB well b4 now
I would even rate YouWhat above MC (not that MC's take on the north was not awesome) but that might not have happened if YOU WHAT were still in the Northern side.
That is so true. An alliance I've only heard the name of is the most important alliance because of something they could have done but didn't and slipped into obscurity.
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Graalum
Foundation
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.12.18 19:04:00 -
[90]
LV and youwhat: lv for epic fail and killing itself/bob, youwhat for killing d2 and overextending the gbc north, allowing those alliances to fail-cascade one by one until only cow and m.pire were left.
Originally by: Narciss Sevar
Originally by: Gneeznow
the 9-9 and 66- meatgrinders were the turning point, and that was Goons, RA, TCF and .-A-. afaik
Everyone knows smashkill made the massive turning point in the war in 9-9. **** goons.
lol. I think we were still red with ra at the time, so I doubt anyone would claim that. If i remember right that was about the same time that CoW/Riot/Infod invaded, so regardless what could have happened had things not gone sour with RA, we probably would have been busy anyways.
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Will Hunter
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 20:38:00 -
[91]
Originally by: NATMav
LV was the single most important alliance in the war:
1. Failing to take out RA when it was on its last leg
2. Failing to keep their allies, allowing RA to beat them back
3. Failing to aid ASCN, allowing BoB to conquer more space than it could hold
4. Failing altogether
5. Defecting to BoB, taking the fail with them
6. Riding with MC to the North, only to fail again once MC left, allowing the North to respawn
agreeing with the pubbie
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Jim Linger
Naughty 40
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.18 20:46:00 -
[92]
op: your main has never been in a southern alliance has it?
both your lists are bunk, mc is attacking bob btw
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EVIL SYNNs
Minmatar
The Illuminati.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.18 21:08:00 -
[93]
Originally by: SunglassesInSpace
That is so true. An alliance I've only heard the name of is the most important alliance because of something they could have done but didn't and slipped into obscurity.
Happy to give you a history lesson, The north were about to invade BoB HOME SPACE (not x ascn, or anything like that, we're talking Delve). Bob were holding them back(with the help of a few friends) in Fountain, but I think D2 were getting ready to move further south. Then YouWhat (which at the time was a well respected, and respectable, alliance in the North) changed sides.
Thus causing all the D2 (which was the largest Northern Alliance - titans et al) to move out of Fountain and head north rather than south. This was before MC even entered the war (officially)
and finally I said "not mentioned", Do I think YouWhat are more important than Goons, no, just this (to me and I have been known to be wrong) event not happening we would be where we are now many months ago.
I don't think many people will argue that if YouWhat didn't change sides things would have been easier for the anti-bobs.
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shaerc
Tree of Liberty
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Posted - 2007.12.18 22:05:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Jim Linger
op: your main has never been in a southern alliance has it?
both your lists are bunk, mc is attacking bob btw
dumb
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Suez Newton
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 22:16:00 -
[95]
I demand RA be on their as much as everyone fears Evilthug I think nync is the one to watch out for.
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SunglassesInSpace
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 22:18:00 -
[96]
Originally by: shaerc
Originally by: Jim Linger
op: your main has never been in a southern alliance has it?
both your lists are bunk, mc is attacking bob btw
dumb
You're not adding to this thread at all. Please try to post constructivly.
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Val Streth
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 22:19:00 -
[97]
Originally by: shaerc
Originally by: Jim Linger
op: your main has never been in a southern alliance has it?
both your lists are bunk, mc is attacking bob btw
dumb
I would advise against posts without real content. It could be construed as a troll.
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