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Kald Wedafur Minmatar The Defiants	Posted - 2007.12.21 18:00:00 - [1] Children of Matar, These past days have seen the return of the Defiants from our long sojourn in the wilds. We have never forgotten the task in which Karishal entrusted us, the loyal comrades we gained in our struggle nor the betrayal we suffered at the hands of those closest to us. We gathered our strength and bade our time, watching and waiting until we judged that the time was right and we struck. The Defiants actions have made the whole region vulnerable but we cannot continue alone. Now we call on our old friends and new ones to help us in bringing down the 7th Fleet. While we continue our fight with the Saracens we need your assistance in bringing down the extensive fortifications they have erected throughout the region. If you wish to bring the fight to the Amarr then send an eve mail to me, Kald Wedafur capsuleer liaison for the Defiants, with details of your corporation and I shall be in contact. Karishal bade us struggle for our people, struggle and never give in.. and in his name we shall always do so. I can think of no more fitting words to end with than his: Quote: "There were once men who stood strong and unbending against the Amarr. Never did they kneel, not once did they call them master. The Amarr tried and tried to defeat them, to break their will, they found the task beyond them. These Minmatar were called the Defiants and in their name we will fight! We will carry their name into the heart of the Amarr and they shall tremble at the very mention of it. We shall stand victorious or we will die with our hands around their throats, for we are the Defiants! .. and we shall never give in."
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.21 18:20:00 - [2] Anyone who answers positively to this message can consider themselves kill on sight. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Ontaku Oroa Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.12.21 18:33:00 - [3] I proudly support this move by the Defiants and call upon all brave warriors willing to fight for the cause of freedom and justice to come to their aid!
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Dichotomy Total Comfort	Posted - 2007.12.21 19:00:00 - [4] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Anyone who answers positively to this message can consider themselves kill on sight. Well, that's me discouraged. I cannot risk that sort of pro-GO DEFIANTS! GO DEFIANTS! GO DEFIANTS! And Gaven, if you've ever wondered if I'd be more of a challenge without thirty of your buddies backing me up - please, feel free to come and find out. ----- The views expressed in these posts, while inarguably correct, are not neccessarily the views of my corporation or alliance. I never sleep. I wait.
Paddington Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.12.21 19:01:00 - [5] You still have my support Defiants
Horatio Nately Caldari 808 Enterprises The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.12.21 19:17:00 - [6] Although viewed in a positive light by the Amarr Empire, 808 Enterprises has decided this to be an internal matter has decided to leave it to the Amarrians. --------------------------------------- CEO 808 Enterprises, A Hawaii, USA Playercorp Supporting the Caldari State (of mind)
Becq Starforged Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.12.21 19:23:00 - [7] Ushra'Khan honors the memory of Karishal, welcomes the Defiants' return, and is proud to be added to the kill-on-sight list of any foe of freedom. We come for our people! -- Becq Starforged proprietor of Starforge Industries, a subsidiary of Minmatar Ship Construction Services At Starforge Industries, the world of tomorrow is being blown apart today!
Jacque Custeau Knights of the Minmatar Republic	Posted - 2007.12.21 19:26:00 - [8] Best wishes to the Defiants. I may only have one pilot to spare, but he shall contact you. -------------------
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.12.21 19:43:00 - [9] The Defiants, as true fighters for freedom, have the full support of the Star Fraction. The struggle never ends. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.12.21 19:58:00 - [10] -HMS Thestral- -Falcon Class Recon Ship- -Location - KBP- Sapphrine read the words of Kald and drifted back into reminicing about the past..... There was still rage and anger at the betrayal that had lead to the death of Karishal Muritor all those months ago but now it had been tempered by cold driven determination that such a death would not be in vain... He decided that the best course of action would be to find the logs of those final minutes to fully remember... Kald, you said you would return. We said we would fight.... I think that says it all really.
Kalvor Azrael Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.12.21 20:24:00 - [11] Kald, We've flown with the Defiants in the past, and will be honored to fly alongside you once again. Heed the call, my brothers and sisters. It is the time of the Khumaak! Rise!
Ikar Kaltin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.21 20:33:00 - [12] The defiants.... Traitors to a Republic they swore to defend. Terrorists bent on the death of innocents. Supported by a band of rogue Minmatar who draw no distinction between innocent trader and Amarr loyalist. With Minmatar groups attacking the Empire in such a fashion described by the defiants I perhaps wonder if the Republic Navy will be in to finish the job they started so well, or if perhaps we should claim a new slave from the Republic for every violently murdered by the Defiants and their cohorts....
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Dichotomy Total Comfort	Posted - 2007.12.21 20:54:00 - [13] Originally by: Ikar Kaltin or if perhaps we should claim a new slave from the Republic for every violently murdered by the Defiants and their cohorts.... Should CVA slaving ships set a foot in Republic space, be aware that I will do my utmost to be there to snap it off at the heel, and force it down their throats. ----- The views expressed in these posts, while inarguably correct, are not neccessarily the views of my corporation or alliance. I never sleep. I wait.
Agustus Caesar Minmatar Caesar and Sons Salvaging	Posted - 2007.12.21 21:02:00 - [14] Originally by: Ikar Kaltin With Minmatar groups attacking the Empire in such a fashion described by the defiants I perhaps wonder if the Republic Navy will be in to finish the job they started so well, or if perhaps we should claim a new slave from the Republic for every violently murdered by the Defiants and their cohorts.... And you lot accuse us of being biggoted warmongers. ----------------------------- Naturally my views are my own as I'm not my alliance's spokesman, ect.
MirrorGod Heretic Army The Covenant Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.21 21:29:00 - [15] I've been watching The Defiants progess lately, and I'm very impressed. You have the full support of Heretic Army. ------------------------------------------ I see all the Young Believers, your target audience... And I see all the Old Deceivers...We all just sing their song!
Ikar Kaltin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.21 23:08:00 - [16] Originally by: Agustus Caesar Originally by: Ikar Kaltin With Minmatar groups attacking the Empire in such a fashion described by the defiants I perhaps wonder if the Republic Navy will be in to finish the job they started so well, or if perhaps we should claim a new slave from the Republic for every violently murdered by the Defiants and their cohorts.... And you lot accuse us of being biggoted warmongers. And you claim not to be murderers and thieves....
Becq Starforged Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.12.21 23:24:00 - [17] Originally by: Ikar Kaltin Originally by: Agustus Caesar Originally by: Ikar Kaltin With Minmatar groups attacking the Empire in such a fashion described by the defiants I perhaps wonder if the Republic Navy will be in to finish the job they started so well, or if perhaps we should claim a new slave from the Republic for every violently murdered by the Defiants and their cohorts.... And you lot accuse us of being biggoted warmongers. And you claim not to be murderers and thieves.... As ironic as any statement, coming from a race whose major native industry is stealing the lives of others to perform the tasks they are incapable or unwilling to do themselves... -- Becq Starforged proprietor of Starforge Industries, a subsidiary of Minmatar Ship Construction Services At Starforge Industries, the world of tomorrow is being blown apart today!
Ikar Kaltin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.21 23:30:00 - [18] You murder and steal in the name of "freedom". But you deny the freedom of any who do not agree with you. You dont care about freedom, you only care for revenge for sins long past through the blood of the innocents. I can see why your getting along so well with the blood raiders.
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.12.21 23:34:00 - [19] Brother Kald, it is good to see you and the Defiants bring the Saracens to their knees. When I visited you in the Wildlands I had no idea the return you all spoke of would be so soon. I will dispatch comms details to you as requested. There can be no doubt where me and my Brothers stand. From Providence to the Bleak Lands, we fly on the wings of freedom. Fiery the angels fell, deep thunder rolled around their shores, burning with the fires of Orc.
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.12.21 23:36:00 - [20] Originally by: Ikar Kaltin You murder and steal in the name of "freedom". But you deny the freedom of any who do not agree with you. You dont care about freedom, you only care for revenge for sins long past through the blood of the innocents. I can see why your getting along so well with the blood raiders. I've missed our little skirmishes of words Ikar! I do have to ask though, have you changed sides? it seems that you are describing the Amarrian people to a tee there!
Karn Mithralia Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.12.21 23:54:00 - [21] The Ushra'khan hears your call and stands ready. For our people! -----------------------------------------
Ontaku Oroa Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.12.21 23:55:00 - [22] Originally by: Ikar Kaltin You murder and steal in the name of "freedom". But you deny the freedom of any who do not agree with you. You dont care about freedom, you only care for revenge for sins long past through the blood of the innocents. I can see why your getting along so well with the blood raiders. Do not try to spin your little lies here, slaver. We see you for what you are, a inhumane monster bent on self-gratification through demeaning of others. It is the Amarr "holy" scriptures who speak of drowning in blood. In fact, the Blood Raiders draw their roots from your society, not ours. So do not lecture us about them. It is in poor taste, to say the least. Sins long past? Billions of our people still live in slavery. Their muted voices fill the void between the stars with shrieks of silence which cannot be ignored. We fight for them, Defiants fight for them. We live and die for a cause much greater than anything you ever knew in your sorry, base existence. Release our people. Untill you do, war will hound your every step. The Defiants have lit a beacon many shall follow. You will not stop them, and you will not stop us. If it takes a thousand years, we shall wear you down like a river cuts through living rock. Sooner shall the stars die out than the fire in our hearts, for we are Matari warriors. We will not bargain. We will not yield. And we will never, ever stop.
Verone Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.12.22 00:11:00 - [23] Originally by: Ikar Kaltin You murder and kidnap in the name of "enlightement". You deny the freedom of any who do not agree with you. You dont care about their welfare, you only care for power and for rule through the blood of the innocents. I can see why you're getting along so well with the 7th Fleet. You see what I did there? ... It's pretty easy. >>> TRIBUTE TO A FALLEN WINGMAN <<<
Parsor Evarkis Minmatar Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.12.22 00:46:00 - [24] Brother Kald, I stand ready and have been awaiting this day, I gladly list myself ready for action and will be aiding you in your quest as part of Tango Wing and the Ushra'Khan. Rise brothers and proudly have your name added to Gaven's list.
Marahk T'or Hand Of Muritor	Posted - 2007.12.22 00:48:00 - [25] Stand tall and strike hard, Defiants and capsuleers. _______ The fire burns bright!
Vox Thaal Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.12.22 01:05:00 - [26] Now is time to finish what our fathers began. Kinsmen, it is the hour of accounting: we must rise! Draw the sword and cast away the scabbard until every one of us breathes free! We of the Ushra'Khan stand with you. ---- Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Mad Scorpion Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.12.22 03:29:00 - [27] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Anyone who answers positively to this message can consider themselves kill on sight. But Gaven, anyone that would even think of answering this you would kill on sight anyway. What's to lose? Mad Scorpion
Nachshon Caldari Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.12.22 09:24:00 - [28] Originally by: Verone Originally by: Ikar Kaltin You murder and kidnap in the name of "enlightement". You deny the freedom of any who do not agree with you. You dont care about their welfare, you only care for power and for rule through the blood of the innocents. I can see why you're getting along so well with the 7th Fleet. You see what I did there? ... It's pretty easy. Verone wins the thread. Also, sign me up as a Defiant supporter, and on Gaven's KOS list - wait, I'm already on said list. ____________________________________ Caldari by birth, Minmatar by citizenship. The True Meaning of Freedom
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.12.22 10:04:00 - [29] It is suprising but good to see the Electus Matari come stand with their outcast Brothers. Come let us bloody our hands with these Amarr. Perhaps when enough of them are dead and our people free we can drink again in the halls of the ancestors.
Saraith Narr Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.22 11:29:00 - [30] Originally by: Telemicus Thrace It is suprising but good to see the Electus Matari come stand with their outcast Brothers. Come let us bloody our hands with these Amarr. Perhaps when enough of them are dead and our people free we can drink again in the halls of the ancestors. You are already soaked in the blood of your own people, after your calls for civil war. Your continued support for renegades who the Republic itself views as hostile shows you for what you really are. Any "Freedom Fighter" who aids the Defiants simply exposes themselves as an enemy of the Republic. We all know that Ushra'Khan's words are hollow, it will be interesting to see who else wishes to destroy the Republic.
Ontaku Oroa Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.12.22 11:44:00 - [31] The Republic is her people. And many, many of those people still suffer in the chains of the Amarr Empire. We fight for the Republic in the most direct way possible. And all who come to the aid of the Defiants honor the memory of our forefathers and legacy of those who created the Republic in the first place.
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.12.22 11:49:00 - [32] More Mindflood Saraith? I knew the new SCC regulations would cause problems for the Amarrians. There has been no civil war with the Republic, we are soaked in the blood of slavers, not Matari. We have called for elections to be held and put a bounty on Midular for ordering the assasination of Captain Muritor but that is hardly a civil war. The Republic Parliment declared the Defiants and all who aid them traitors and outlaws already and quite some time ago. Yet neither Ushra'Khan or the Defiants have attacked the Republic. In fact we recently returned to Molden Heath for a time on a peace keeping mission. While we disagree with it's leadership and want to see Midular replaced with a pro-Matari leader we certainly do not seek to destroy the Republic. Quite a ridiculous notion and one born out of blind fear. Fear because you see the tribes starting to unite as one. You see the Matari now rise against the centuries of holocaust your people have visited upon us in the name of your god. A day will dawn when all our kin will be free. When that day comes I will not offer your kind enlightenment or a new way of life. I offer you the void. Your cities will be demolished. Your teachings and scriptures destroyed. Your bloodlines extinguished. Your names will never be uttered and history will forget you ever existed. We come for our people, but first I am coming for you. Die well.
Rainarchy Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.12.22 11:57:00 - [33] I hereby declare my support. Every ship I own is ready and all crewmen are in highest alert and ready to strike at shortest possible notice. For our people!
Jacinda Molanth	Posted - 2007.12.22 12:02:00 - [34] I smell fear from the Amarr slavers. What is about to happen is the end result of 100+ years of Amarr arrogance, refusal to negotiate reasonably to free our kin from slavery, and blindly following traditions rather then progressing and evolving. Unlike before when you surprised a people not prepared for your onslaught, now you face battle hardened veterans whose sole purpose has been to prepare for this day. You face a free people fighting for a legacy amongst the stars that was striped from them. You face a people fighting for their very right to exist. I pity you. Though young and not as skilled as many others I am not afraid to back this grand endeavor. Add my name to those who will aid the Defiants. Add my name to the role call of history.
Saraith Narr Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.22 12:36:00 - [35] We have already faced the Defiants once, we did not fear them then, we do not fear them now. Although, how quickly you dogs forget who the Defiants betrayed, and who eventually brought them low.
Drakonus Laerdon Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.22 13:56:00 - [36] Originally by: Jacinda Molanth I smell fear from the Amarr slavers. What is about to happen is the end result of 100+ years of Amarr arrogance, refusal to negotiate reasonably to free our kin from slavery, and blindly following traditions rather then progressing and evolving. Unlike before when you surprised a people not prepared for your onslaught, now you face battle hardened veterans whose sole purpose has been to prepare for this day. You face a free people fighting for a legacy amongst the stars that was striped from them. You face a people fighting for their very right to exist. I pity you. Though young and not as skilled as many others I am not afraid to back this grand endeavor. Add my name to those who will aid the Defiants. Add my name to the role call of history. 10,000 years of history tell a different story. The Holy Amarr Empire, shall, in time, once again begin to reclaim the Lessor Races and bring them to Enlightenment. This insignificant 100 year rebellion will be forgotten over the ages, remembered only in the context of how the glorious Amarr people perservered and conquerred in God's Name. A candle always burns brightest before it is extinguished. --------------- Non Nobis, Domine, Non Nobis, Sed nomini tuo da gloriam.
Cmdr Baxter Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.22 14:01:00 - [37] Edited by: Cmdr Baxter on 22/12/2007 14:02:56 Originally by: Drakonus Laerdon ..... The Holy Amarr Empire, shall, in time, once again begin to reclaim the Lessor Races and bring them to Enlightenment. This insignificant 100 year rebellion will be forgotten over the ages, remembered only in the context of how the glorious Amarr people perservered and conquerred in God's Name ..... And every time I hear a member of PIE, Inc. use the words "Lesser Races" and "Enlightenment," I look more suspiciously at the Amarr Empire. Maybe if you were so interested in supporting the 7th Fleet's call for auxiliaries in the Bleak Lands you wouldn't be trying so hard to alienate potential supporters from abroad. Not to alienating the Chief Executive Panel and loyalist Caldari, who both have a well-established track record of supporting the Amarr Empire's policies. Of course that's just my opinion, from a member of a so-called "Lesser Race." ____ It was a magnificent display of trained and disciplined valour, and its assault only failed of success because dead men can advance no further. - Major-General de Lisle (1916)
Teo Kiesh Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.12.22 16:19:00 - [38] Telemicus, don't get all exited if a single EM pilot voices his support for the Defiant cause. This is not the official stance of EM, just the opinion of a single pilot. In EM pilots are allowed to have opinions even if the official alliance opinion is different.
Verone Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.12.22 16:39:00 - [39] For the right price, Veto Corp also offer our services to The Defiants. >>> TRIBUTE TO A FALLEN WINGMAN <<<
Kabajashi San Minmatar Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.12.22 16:53:00 - [40] Salute to the Defiants. May we fly wing to wing one day in the struggle for freedom. The heart of every true Matari is with you.
Wanoah Minmatar Msana Foundation	Posted - 2007.12.22 17:03:00 - [41] These days I am committed to more peaceful pursuits and old age has started to dull my reactions. Nonetheless, The Defiants have my support in spirit at least. Good hunting Defiants, and all who fly with you. Also, word to the Ushra'Khan brothers and sisters. Kill some scum for me, k?
Trent Valtine Gallente Strix Armaments and Defence Acheron Federation	Posted - 2007.12.22 17:29:00 - [42] Originally by: Saraith Narr Any "Freedom Fighter" who aids the Defiants simply exposes themselves as an enemy of the Republic. We all know that Ushra'Khan's words are hollow, it will be interesting to see who else wishes to destroy the Republic. Enemy of the Republic? What do you care about the Republic? Wouldn't you, an Amarr loyalist, wish more enemies on the republic? I've heard some pretty weak rhetoric before, but this shoots right to the top. Thank you, Amarran, for clearing up the official stance of a government your empire barely even recognizes as a legal entity.
Cyrus Zenoside Minmatar	Posted - 2007.12.22 17:37:00 - [43] May the 7th fleet feel the wrath of the Matari people.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.12.22 18:05:00 - [44] Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 22/12/2007 18:10:07 Originally by: Telemicus Thrace It is suprising but good to see the Electus Matari come stand with their outcast Brothers. Nachson does not speak for Electus Matari, nor Gradient. We stand with the Republic, and do not wish a war. EM pilots, should they fly in Amarr space, will engage in combat only in self-defense, with our CONCORD-war targets PIE Inc and Vigilia Valeria, and certain pirate organizations on our current targets list. We will not assist the Defiants and we will not aggress other Amarr forces unless they start the hostilities. I beg of all involved: stand back, do not let this slide into total war, where all involved will lose. Come home, Defiants. Elsebeth Rhiannon Diplomat Gradient / Electus Matari -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
xxOutlawxx	Posted - 2007.12.22 19:12:00 - [45] when's the Storyline $$$ Missions coming out on this event!
xxOutlawxx	Posted - 2007.12.22 20:29:00 - [46] When's the Storyline missions coming out for this event?
Mayaran Minmatar Acme Technologies Incorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.12.22 20:49:00 - [47] Strenght and Honour!
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.12.22 22:22:00 - [48] I had hoped against hope that Electus Matari doctrine would not overrule the instincts of your warriors. A shame but given the circumstances it is understandable. I have chosen my path, I fight for the freedom of our people. The law does not support this fight so I am an outlaw. Perhaps one day the Republic will choose a new leader, one who will lead our people to true liberty. When that day comes I may return to the Republic.
Melichor Duraldi Gallente Fourth Circle Total Comfort	Posted - 2007.12.23 07:48:00 - [49] I hope for the Defiants to have continued success against the 7th fleet. I guess this makes me KOS huh?
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.12.23 10:41:00 - [50] As the 'OS' part stands for 'on sight' you are probably in no danger. Now recruiting!
Darius Shakor Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.12.23 11:43:00 - [51] Originally by: Telemicus Thrace I had hoped against hope that Electus Matari doctrine would not overrule the instincts of your warriors. A shame but given the circumstances it is understandable. Brother, it does not. Rest assured of this. ------ Shakor Clan Information Portal
Jacinda Molanth	Posted - 2007.12.23 15:32:00 - [52] Originally by: Drakonus Laerdon Originally by: Jacinda Molanth I smell fear from the Amarr slavers. What is about to happen is the end result of 100+ years of Amarr arrogance, refusal to negotiate reasonably to free our kin from slavery, and blindly following traditions rather then progressing and evolving. Unlike before when you surprised a people not prepared for your onslaught, now you face battle hardened veterans whose sole purpose has been to prepare for this day. You face a free people fighting for a legacy amongst the stars that was striped from them. You face a people fighting for their very right to exist. I pity you. Though young and not as skilled as many others I am not afraid to back this grand endeavor. Add my name to those who will aid the Defiants. Add my name to the role call of history. 10,000 years of history tell a different story. The Holy Amarr Empire, shall, in time, once again begin to reclaim the Lessor Races and bring them to Enlightenment. This insignificant 100 year rebellion will be forgotten over the ages, remembered only in the context of how the glorious Amarr people perservered and conquerred in God's Name. A candle always burns brightest before it is extinguished. Amazing how we have achieved in 100+ years what you needed 10,000 years to accomplish. Just how much has changed in your 10,000 years Drakonus? Following your humiliating defeat by the Jove and the equally humiliating loss at the hands of armed slaves, your society stopped advancing and came to a grinding halt. Take a look at every race and see what wonders they have achieved in the last century, now look at your race and see the the beast wallow in the quagmire of past glories. Now longer do you look forward, only back to better days. The entire Amarr society needs to be slapped back to reality. You all live a daydream of past glories and that is no longer going to happen. Wake up, at one time you were the power in the universe and that has changed much in the last hundred years. Today your massive fleet is just that, massive. However your ships are third class at best. You no longer have the advantage of superior technology. You have all lost what personal individualism is and become mindless drones of your God. God is to praise if you achieve a victory, God is testing you if you have a defeat. God controls your very being. This is the root of your problem. Alter your ways, advance as a society. Start by abolishing slavery. I and many others will aid your transition to an automated society. Honor your past and traditions but release your death grip on them and progress and a new today and tomorrow. Be individuals, change your bullying ways, give up your universe spanning quest of total conquest. Join with the rest of we modern people. PS: Drop the candle and get something electric.
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.12.23 16:49:00 - [53] The greatest achievements of your race must have been the invention of vacuum proof duct tape and the rust welder. Without the Empire you'd still be sitting in clay huts beating your bongo drums and smoking weed to 'talk to your ancestors'. Now recruiting!
Jacinda Molanth	Posted - 2007.12.23 17:13:00 - [54] Originally by: Tharrn The greatest achievements of your race must have been the invention of vacuum proof duct tape and the rust welder. Without the Empire you'd still be sitting in clay huts beating your bongo drums and smoking weed to 'talk to your ancestors'. Odd how duct tape and rust encrusted vessels have beaten your Golden Fleet. Tharrn if you would try grasping reality for a moment we Minmatar were further advanced then you in many ways prior to your invasion. As far as paying homage to and revering our ancestors, well at least I have proof of their existence. Now prove your God does.
Agustus Caesar Minmatar Caesar and Sons Salvaging	Posted - 2007.12.23 17:18:00 - [55] Originally by: Jacinda Molanth Odd how duct tape and rust encrusted vessels have beaten your Golden Fleet. Really speaks volumes about the quality of their own ships doesn't it? ----------------------------- Naturally my views are my own as I'm not my alliance's spokesman, ect.
Garion Avarr Amarr Zero Zero Traders	Posted - 2007.12.23 17:29:00 - [56] Originally by: Jacinda Molanth The entire Amarr society needs to be slapped back to reality. On the contrary. We have already been slapped, farther 'slapping' would only farther entrench my people and drive them deeper into old comforts, regardless of reality. We need to be slowly eased towards advancement and gently persuaded to see reality. The Amarr are too proud a people to be persuaded by force. Groups like the Defiants are counter-productive towards this end, their attacks give power to the hardliners and take away support from the moderates. Originally by: Jacinda Molanth You all live a daydream of past glories and that is no longer going to happen. Wake up, at one time you were the power in the universe and that has changed much in the last hundred years. Much has changed, and we have not changed with it. You are right, we must change if we are to rule again -- and as God means for us to rule, therefore we must change. Originally by: Jacinda Molanth God is to praise if you achieve a victory, God is testing you if you have a defeat. God controls your very being. This is the root of your problem. Faith in God is not a problem, without it we are not Amarr. Waiting for God to solve our every problem, instead of cunningly using all the gifts and tools God has given us, however, is. Stagnation in the ways in which we serve God denies the full service God deserves. Originally by: Jacinda Molanth Alter your ways, advance as a society. Start by abolishing slavery. I and many others will aid your transition to an automated society. Honor your past and traditions but release your death grip on them and progress and a new today and tomorrow. Join with the rest of we modern people. You can start your aid by helping fight groups such as the Defiants that do not wish us to become a modern, peaceful people, but rather wish for an endless war that will destroy both us and everything they fight for. For war will not bring about the end of slavery, save with the death of all slaves, though it shall bring about the end of the Empire -- not through any external threat, of course, but through the causation of internal decay, and the encouragement of ideals that will not permit the Empire to keep pace with the other nations. If we do not keep up and take our place as a modern nation, we will be irrelevant. If we become irrelevant, we have failed God, and have effectively destroyed ourselves. Please, help bring the peace that won Heideran the Aidonis. Join the fight against the Defiants.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.12.23 18:38:00 - [57] There is no "doctrine" overriding my instincts, Thrace. Insulting your brothers and sisters when they disagree with you does not get you -- or our people -- anywhere. -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.12.23 19:10:00 - [58] Originally by: Agustus Caesar Originally by: Jacinda Molanth Odd how duct tape and rust encrusted vessels have beaten your Golden Fleet. Really speaks volumes about the quality of their own ships doesn't it? It really speaks volumes about your race that your ships are designed to run away, doesn't it? Now recruiting!
Agustus Caesar Minmatar Caesar and Sons Salvaging	Posted - 2007.12.23 19:18:00 - [59] Originally by: Tharrn Originally by: Agustus Caesar Originally by: Jacinda Molanth Odd how duct tape and rust encrusted vessels have beaten your Golden Fleet. Really speaks volumes about the quality of their own ships doesn't it? It really speaks volumes about your race that your ships are designed to run away, doesn't it? So.....you gather that high speed ships are ment for fleeing battle.......talk about grasping at straws.... ----------------------------- Naturally my views are my own as I'm not my alliance's spokesman, ect.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Dichotomy Total Comfort	Posted - 2007.12.23 21:45:00 - [60] Originally by: Tharrn It really speaks volumes about your race that your ships are designed to run away, doesn't it? Some rather pathetic straw-grasping there, Tharrn, the type you Amarrian savages often engage in. Minmatar ships have quite severe powergrid requirements for their guns, but since they work on a simple but pretty fool-proof chemical propulsion that is part of the munition itself, they need no additional outlay of energy to actually fire them. This leaves much more capacitor energy (which provides the surge of energy required to fire a hybrid turret, or the rapid alternation or quick, large burst of energy required to activate the cathode of a laser beam) for other things, such as electronic warfare, armour or shield repair systems - or propulsion. Another important thing to note is that, quite wisely, Minmatar are strictly minimalist in the construction of their ships. No unneccessary components are included. Additionally, their armour is constructed of ceramics or cerametal alloy, rather than metal (although there is usually a very thin sheet of superconducting material placed beneath the armour, which acts as an electromagnetic cage, which is where Minmatar ships derive their excellent armour EM resistance from). These facts combine to produce ships that are fairly lightweight, meaning that for that roughly the same size of engine as another race's battleship they can get a significantly larger ammount of thrust out of it. Now if I could only work out why ships seem to have speed restrictions placed on them... I've found that without some sort of modification, like an afterburner, my Typhoon mysteriously can't accelerate beyond about 200 m/s - faster than the equally mysterious speed caps on Gallente, Minmatar and Amarr vessels. ----- The views expressed in these posts, while inarguably correct, are not neccessarily the views of my corporation or alliance. I never sleep. I wait.
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.12.23 23:55:00 - [61] Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon There is no "doctrine" overriding my instincts, Thrace. Insulting your brothers and sisters when they disagree with you does not get you -- or our people -- anywhere. I thought Electus Matari doctrine was to support the Republic in all things? It is my understanding that the Defiants and all who aid them are regarded traitors to the Republic by Parliment decree. While the instincts of your warriors stated here clearly say they wish to join us in battle against the Amarr the official word of the Electus Matari is that you will not get involved. Quite understandable, you cannot join this fight without going against the Republic and therefore Electus Matari doctine. How you get insulted by this simple fact is beyond me. We don't expect you to fight for the Matari people, we don't expect you to stand against the Amarr. But we will and you can be as offended as you like about that fact. Neither your wounded sensibilities nor Amarrian lasers will stop our march.
Nihils Astari Gallente Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.12.24 03:37:00 - [62] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Anyone who answers positively to this message can consider themselves kill on sight. Wouldn't have it any other way, slaver. Welcome back Defiants!
Conlin Gallente Yiotul Fighters Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.12.24 08:17:00 - [63] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Anyone who answers positively to this message can consider themselves kill on sight. Oh no
Jacinda Molanth	Posted - 2007.12.24 17:56:00 - [64] Originally by: Tharrn Originally by: Agustus Caesar Originally by: Jacinda Molanth Odd how duct tape and rust encrusted vessels have beaten your Golden Fleet. Really speaks volumes about the quality of their own ships doesn't it? It really speaks volumes about your race that your ships are designed to run away, doesn't it? I understand that fast deployment may be a foreign subject to the Amarr, after all we all know how fast your ships are. As discussed however your fleet is larger, thereby necessitating a need for rapid deployment of our ships. Speed therefore is a priority. If you need any more help with tactics Tharrn, give a yell.
Verone Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.12.24 19:03:00 - [65] Originally by: Jacinda Molanth I understand that fast deployment may be a foreign subject to the Amarr... Yeah, no doubt. I see that whoever's "in charge" is still working on the deployment of a new leader. Been a while... >>> TRIBUTE TO A FALLEN WINGMAN <<<
Ottom Ephesianos Amarr Pirate Radio	Posted - 2007.12.24 19:28:00 - [66] On Minmatar and Amarr ships the differences are many however the main reason I as an Amarr switched to flying Minmatar ships from Caldari ships was because of the 1400mm howitzer cannon. --------------------------------- "Trust me I've done this before." Elite R. Ephesianos ---------------------------------
Varim The Ragnarg Brotherhood	Posted - 2007.12.24 22:06:00 - [67] The Ragnarg Brotherhood will send it's best combat pilots. For our people!
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.12.24 23:29:00 - [68] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Stuff Thank you for posting the tricks and quirks of how they exactly design their ships to run away better. Not that I asked for it. Now recruiting!
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Dichotomy Total Comfort	Posted - 2007.12.25 14:06:00 - [69] Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 25/12/2007 14:16:05 Originally by: Tharrn Thank you for posting the tricks and quirks of how they exactly design their ships to run away better. Not that I asked for it. Tharrn, one day, I, or someone like me, will come from you in a "flying rustbucket". On that day, I, or they, will tear your ship apart at the seams until you desire to run away. I will make sure, when this happens, to remind you of what you have said. Incidentally, it was an explanation of why they can move faster. Moving faster does not neccessarily mean that they use this ability to run away - running away would neccessitate faster align speeds and superior warp drives, and I have seen no indication that Minmatar ships are possessed of these. No, faster subluminal speed simply means that their ships are more manouverable and are able to ensure their evasion of the already notoriously-bad tracking of your laser cannons. Basically, from what I've studied of Minmatar military strategy, they work on either sustained, short-range, high-speed assaults on vulnerable targets, usually using speed modules and autocannons, or a complex series of hit-and-fade attacks from long range, using artillery and damage/tracking/optimal range modifications. Now, the sustained, short-range barrages of autocannon fire can't be seen as cowardly at all - far from it. As for the hit-and-fade attacks, well, the simple fact is that the Amarrians have never been very good at dealing with that kind of attack, hence they label it cowardly in an attempt to goad Minmatar into abandoning it. Trust me: it won't work. ----- The views expressed in these posts, while inarguably correct, are not neccessarily the views of my corporation or alliance. I never sleep. I wait.
Kabajashi San Minmatar Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.12.26 13:40:00 - [70] If ignorant both of your enemy and yourself, you are certain to be in peril. [Sun Tzu] Funny thing is, I can tell you this and you will still ignore me, Mr. Tharn.
Vinerya The Wings of Maak Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.12.26 15:21:00 - [71] Originally by: Kald Wedafur The Defiants call upon you. I'm proud to respond to the call ! I'll shall bring hell to slavers along with brothers and sisters. Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Anyone who answers positively to this message can consider themselves kill on sight. You don't want to find your Nemesis. -----
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.26 15:58:00 - [72] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Tharrn, one day, I, or someone like me, will come from you in a "flying rustbucket". On that day, I, or they, will tear your ship apart at the seams until you desire to run away. More likely, you'll orbit at a range and speed that prevents any real damage to thick amarrian armor...at which point you'll either withdraw, or slow down, close range, and be purified with holy light. It's fun to play "what if." It's funnier to watch such discussion derail a terrorist recruitment campaign.
Conlin Gallente Yiotul Fighters Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.12.26 16:38:00 - [73] Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Tharrn, one day, I, or someone like me, will come from you in a "flying rustbucket". On that day, I, or they, will tear your ship apart at the seams until you desire to run away. More likely, you'll orbit at a range and speed that prevents any real damage to thick amarrian armor...at which point you'll either withdraw, or slow down, close range, and be purified with holy light. It's fun to play "what if." It's funnier to watch such discussion derail a terrorist recruitment campaign. Come off that high perch of yours garreck , we forgot the bird seed .
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.26 17:28:00 - [74] Originally by: Conlin Come off that high perch of yours garreck High perch? Surely not. I've flown the rustbuckets, and continue to do so in certain applications. My hands are not clean, and I'll not pretend that I don't find the vagabond or huginn in particular to be at least useful...and I'm certainly keenly aware of their weaknesses and short-comings. In my experience, though, I'd often rather be interfaced to a curse. Also in my experience, I far prefer a 'geddon by my side than any battleship the slave-kin have engineered. In my experience, Clavius, a pilot I continue to aspire to be like, has had terrific success with the arbitrator over all manner of terrorist vessels. In my experience, nothing sets a bait and switch quite like a maller. In my experience, Amarr engineering is every bit the match for Matari engineering...leaving the subtleties and ambiguities of combat to be filled in by the pilot or commander.
Melichor Duraldi Gallente Fourth Circle Total Comfort	Posted - 2007.12.26 18:19:00 - [75] Originally by: Garreck In my experience, though, I'd often rather be interfaced to a curse. The curse is a sexy ship and one of my favorites. I may not fly it like I would like to yet, but I still love it.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.12.27 14:41:00 - [76] Originally by: Telemicus Thrace Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon I thought Electus Matari doctrine was to support the Republic in all things? It is not "doctrine" any more than the U'Ker "we come for our people" is doctrine. It is merely doing what we believe is right. Quote: It is my understanding that the Defiants and all who aid them are regarded traitors to the Republic by Parliment decree. It is my understanding the Defiants are wanted for a trial. I have seen nothing about people who aid them outside of the Republic, but of course I might be mistaken. Quote: How you get insulted by this simple fact is beyond me. We don't expect you to fight for the Matari people There, you answer your own question. We do fight for the people. We disagree with you on the methods, not on the cause. I think this is enough of this again in this thread; my apologies to the Defiants for the hijacking. If you want to discuss it further, Thrace, like always you know where to find me. Elsebeth Rhiannon -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
Curry Kior Minmatar Si chou zhi lu	Posted - 2007.12.27 19:16:00 - [77] Originally by: Kald Wedafur Children of Matar, Karishal bade us struggle for our people, struggle and never give in.. and in his name we shall always do so. I can think of no more fitting words to end with than his: Quote: "There were once men who stood strong and unbending against the Amarr. Never did they kneel, not once did they call them master. The Amarr tried and tried to defeat them, to break their will, they found the task beyond them. These Minmatar were called the Defiants and in their name we will fight! We will carry their name into the heart of the Amarr and they shall tremble at the very mention of it. We shall stand victorious or we will die with our hands around their throats, for we are the Defiants! .. and we shall never give in." Kald, Your words and Karishal's words ignite my blood and I can not sit complacent any longer. I dedicate myself and the resources of my corporation to the struggle to free the enslaved and to war against the 7th Fleet. We come for our people! Curry Kior, Wu Xei CEO of Si Chou Zhi Lu http://currykior.vox.com/
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.12.27 22:19:00 - [78] No need to discuss it Elsebeth, you have just repeated back to me what I said in the first place. We know exactly where the Republic stands on this matter although you might want to explain it to the rest of the Electus Matari. As for those brave warriors who have answered the war drums of the Defiants, I salute you. While we await further orders from Captain Wedafur head to our public channel "Deck23". From there we can begin to co-ordinate our efforts with you. Be warned it is a public place and many who mean our cause harm monitor it. From there we can arrange something more secure until the Defiants release details of their Op-Comm. Rise.
Myyona Minmatar Thukker Mix	Posted - 2007.12.28 12:25:00 - [79] "While war prospers, humans suffer." Time to stock up food, cloth and medical supplies and turn The Wanderer towards The Bleak Lands once again.
Suva Medinna Minmatar Acme Technologies Incorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.12.31 03:27:00 - [80] We are glad to have you back, and look forward to flying with you, Defiants!
Curry Kior Minmatar Si chou zhi lu	Posted - 2007.12.31 05:55:00 - [81] Edited by: Curry Kior on 31/12/2007 05:58:57 Si Chou Zhi Lu reports the destruction of the 7th Fleet Command Post in Huola. The defense forces were eliminated and the Command Post destroyed. I am prepared to deliver additional intel to the Defiants upon request. The valiant pilots of Si Chou Zhi Lu will return again to the Bleak Lands until the 7th is no more. Curry Kior, Wu Xei CEO of Si Chou Zhi Lu http://currykior.vox.com/
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.12.31 09:36:00 - [82] Originally by: Telemicus Thrace No need to discuss it Elsebeth, you have just repeated back to me what I said in the first place. We know exactly where the Republic stands on this matter although you might want to explain it to the rest of the Electus Matari. I did not object to your interpretation of policy in the first place, Thrace -- just your implication that our policies result from cold doctrine and not caring for our people, instead of true instinct for good. I know you were intelligent enough to see the difference, and I have high hopes that your experiences since have not let your brain totally rot. As to outcasting and stuff like that -- stop feeling sorry for yourself and begging for pity. If you truly wanted to come home, EM would hire you in a heartbeat. We have given a place to go and and a chance to redeem themselves to worse. (And Shakor, before you blow a fuse, no, I am not referring to you here.) Elsebeth Not in a diplomatic capacity -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.12.31 11:07:00 - [83] I spit on your pity. Do you understand the situation between those who stand with the Defiants and those who stand with Midular? This is not some petty difference of opinion. We have all seen Midular's death squads, we know full well what we have had to do for the cause. The Republic Parliment has deemed the Defiants and all who aid them to be traitors. Yet Electus Matari would go against that and take me back into their ranks? You would harbour traitors against the decree of your own leader? The official stance of the Electus Matari is to not get involved in the Bleak Lands offensive. Yet Electus Matari pilots have publicaly answered the Defiants call. That would make them outlaws under Republic law. You say you act not out of Electus Matari doctrine because that implies you do not care for our people. Why is caring for our people not part of your doctrine? You claim to act out of an instinct for good, if that is good then I will be evil but truth is I leave such abstract concepts to the god fearing. Your people offer us "moral support" in one breath then condemn us in the next. You need to decide what you stand for and speak with one voice. Perhaps then I can take you Republicans more seriously. I will not return to the Republic, not until it finds a real leader. Personally my choice for Prime Minister would be Malaetu Shakor. He is a leader worth following. Quote: The liberty of our people is solely our responsibility. Tempting as it is to foist this burden upon our well-wishers, we must never forget that the onus of our emancipation rests with us and us alone. For too long, our proud people have been subjugated to the whims of enslavers, forced to endure relentless suffering and humiliation at the hands of people whose motivations, masked though they may be by florid religious claptrap, remain as base and despicable as those of the playground bully. If ever there was a time to rise, if ever there was a time to join hands with our brothers, that time is now. At this exact junction in history we have within our grasp the means to loosen our tormentors hold and win freedom for our kin. Opportunities are there to be taken. Brothers, we must rise. Malaetu Shakor, Republic Parliament Head Speaking before the Tribal Council November 27th, YC 107 I hope there are still those in the Republic who are stirred by such words and have the conviction to take up arms and join their Brothers in the Bleak Lands. Did Drupar ask for permission to snatch up the Khumaak? no. Warriors know when it is time to strike and that time is upon us.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.12.31 12:21:00 - [84] Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 31/12/2007 12:23:25 Originally by: Telemicus Thrace The Republic Parliment has deemed the Defiants and all who aid them to be traitors. Yet Electus Matari would go against that and take me back into their ranks? You would harbour traitors against the decree of your own leader? Even a traitor can turn back. We "harbour" Darius Shakor and are proud to do so. There has been no resentment whatsoever towards us from the government over that, nor any order to the contrary. Quite the opposite, we continue to enjoy the trust and the good standings. Quote: The official stance of the Electus Matari is to not get involved in the Bleak Lands offensive. Yet Electus Matari pilots have publicaly answered the Defiants call. That would make them outlaws under Republic law. I have yet to see a government order that makes say yourself an "outlaw". No Republic Fleet vessel or other loyalist party fires on you on sight, if you dock on our stations you are free to do so and free to undock in peace and go your way, if you should choose to turn back and join a loyalist force, no government order would likely come down to demand we release you into their custody instead of putting you to good work. So kindly stop exaggerating your position in a futile effort to make yourself the tragic hero. As to our pilots, like I said above, no EM pilot will fire in Bleak Lands or elsewhere on parties other than our CONCORD-sanctioned enemies and standard (pirate) target list, other than in self-defense. The Gradient pilot in this thread have been spoken with, has agreed with our reasoning, and chosen out of his free will to remain in EM, knowing the stance above and sticking to it. He is no traitor and I'd rather you'd not insult him like that. Quote: Why is caring for our people not part of your doctrine? Have you stopped beating your slaves yet? Elsebeth -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.12.31 12:25:00 - [85] Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 31/12/2007 12:25:34 As to stirring words, I suggest you read (again) the speech by Republic Fleet Admiral Kanth Filmir, addressed to U'K but apparently totally escaping them: http://www.eve-search.com/thread/475264 -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
Kabajashi San Minmatar Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.12.31 13:04:00 - [86] Mrs. Rhiannon, I don't like to quote out of context but there is one part of the speech of Admiral Filmir that is showing the true problem more than anything else: The Republic is here to protect that most precious thing. It is here to protect our freedoms. And so it does. The Republic serves its people, and the Fleet protects its people. What you and the Admiral seem to forget is that the people of the Republic are just that - Republican citizens. That it may be protecting your freedom but noone else's. But we are more. The tribes consist of more than those living in the Republic. It is the numerous pod pilots living out there with no more bonds to the Republic than our common ancestors. It is the settlers who were looking for new grounds on far away planets. And even more important it is our brothers in chains, for whose the Republic is not more than a hollow word. You have forgotten, like so many else, that as Matari, as warriors, as honourable man, it is our duty to fight for those of our kinsmen who cannot fight for themselves. You value your Republic, your parliament, your political institutions and the big words you fling around. The Admiral said that the freedom and the ideals of the Republic are more worth than any man. I say the freedom of our brothers and the ideals of our tribes are more worth than the Republic. Now, I know that many EM pilots are constantly out there in space, patrolling the borders, hunting slavers, intercepting convoys. I don't mean to insult you. But one day you will have to realize that the Republic is but a tool, a political body serving to organize whose living in its borders. It is not a purpose. The freedom of our brothers and the future of our tribes is. And we will have no future as long as our brothers are suffering. We cannot simply give up on them and go on in the name of the Republic. You will have to wake up, Mrs. Rhiannon, you will have to wake up.
Darius Shakor Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.12.31 13:14:00 - [87] I wonder how suddenly I got dragged into this. Ohh yes, Elsebeth, I should have known. So let me get this straight, your mention of me in refference to Thrace's comment about 'harbouring traitors' means you have viewed me as one of them in your mind? I knew we had our differences and still do but I guess I did not know until now how deep they were on your part. I did not join Electus Matari for redemption in the eyes of the Republic or EM itself. I did so for my own deeper redemption and to follow my own realisations. Everything I did in the name of the Ushra'Khan I have no regrets about. I think you need to make your point here Elsebeth and learn to leave it at that before your own personal feelings drop into the argument and confuse matters for all involved. Suggesting people are feeling sorry for themselves and such is not your place to judge and is just your style of provoking an argument. As is your addressing me twice with no real call to in your arguments. You did not want this kind of debate between alliance members on our own internal network, despite your words provoking such a thing in the same breath. You are now doing it again in public. You have made your point, it has been disagreed with. Why make it again for the sake of making it when the cost is a degeneration of relations on more fronts than alliance ones? Thrace, there is only one thing I think I agree with Elsebeth on in her posts and that is that there is no Republic sanction branding you or others who choose to work actively with the Defiants as outlaws and wanted men. And we do fight for our people in the Electus Matari too. The countless anti-pirate campaigns keeping civilians out of harms reach and the active wars we have with PIE, VV and, well for what it is worth, the En-Slavers too sees plenty of action. There was balance here once and nothing has changed except attitudes towards where people stand. ------ Shakor Clan Information Portal
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.12.31 14:22:00 - [88] Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 31/12/2007 14:24:05 Darius, My point merely was that if Thrace is a traitor, so would you be. I said nothing of my personal estimate on that -- but since you asked on this nice oh-so-private forum, I'll answer you here too: no, I do not consider you one. I never did. Merely misguided, muddle-brained, and unable to separate your wishes from reality, and from what I hear you are recovering from that nicely too. Maybe your wishes to keep things out of public would be more believable if you did not drag stuff out here yourself. Your loyal sister in arms, Elsebeth Rhiannon -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.12.31 14:24:00 - [89] Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 31/12/2007 14:24:14 -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
Jacinda Molanth	Posted - 2007.12.31 15:45:00 - [90] Edited by: Jacinda Molanth on 31/12/2007 15:51:09 Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 31/12/2007 14:24:05 Darius, My point merely was that if Thrace is a traitor, so would you be. I said nothing of my personal estimate on that -- but since you asked on this nice oh-so-private forum, I'll answer you here too: no, I do not consider you one. I never did. Merely misguided, muddle-brained, and unable to separate your wishes from reality, and from what I hear you are recovering from that nicely too. Maybe your wishes to keep things out of public would be more believable if you did not drag stuff out here yourself. Your loyal sister in arms, Elsebeth Rhiannon Lady Rhiannon; I fear you have mistaken the elected government for the Republic. The Republic we have is a wonderful framework of laws and ideals for democracy. The elected officials however are capable of indecision, flawed logic and corruption. Throughout known history politicians have been the target of these three flaws. I am afraid they now plague our current government. In the past several years our Parliament has shown a tendency of rule by submitting to the bullying pressure of the Amarr Empire rather than making decisions for the good of ALL Minmatar. They outlawed the Khumaak because the Amarr found them offensive, yet how offensive is slavery? Yet Malaetu Shakor still carries one though it is covered up. I still believe the death of Admiral Karishal was little more than an assassination yet such things are not allowed by Republic laws. These are two good examples of 'rule through submission'. Now slaves can be bought and sold throughout Republic space, is this GOOD for the people of the Republic? I claim the Parliament, the ruling body responsible for the running of our precious Republic have failed. Fear guides their decisions, not what is best for our people. Please ponder these points and wonder where these submissions will end, if ever. There comes a time when diplomacy can no longer accomplish anything. There comes a time when one needs to pick up a 'Big Stick' and smack the bully to put them back in line. This is that time. If you always fear, you will never succeed. Regards, Jacinda Molanth
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.12.31 15:56:00 - [91] I followed Karishal Muritor. I have aided and abetted the Defiants. I continue to do so proudly and openly. I highlighted the key part. Quote: MOLDEN HEATH. Questions are finally starting to be answered in relation to The Minmatar Republic's 'Alfhild' Mothership-class vessel that went missing nearly three weeks ago. While initially there was hope that there was no connection between the disappearance of the 'Alfhild' and prominent Republic captain Karishal Muritor, such hope has proven to be in vain. Captain Muritor confirmed his possession of the 'Alfhild' several hours ago. Muritor made his claim by transmitting the following message to The Republic Fleet before disappearing near the Odatrik system: "If you would stand before me and call this state of affairs in which we are held right and true, then I am sure that it is better for me and my men to fight and die without any right than to live in such a lie." Visual data sent with the message confirms that the message was sent from the 'Alfhild'. With no other transmissions received from the captain following his earlier disappearance, The Republic Fleet has attempted to distance it self from their former compatriot. Pressure from the Amarrian Empire is mounting, according to anonymous sources, as Captain Muritor's motives remain unclear. In a statement issued by the Republic Fleet an hour after receiveing the broadcast, a fleet representative declared Karishal Muritor and all of his followers outlaws. The Republic Fleet also vowed to bring Captain Muritor into Republic custody and promptly dispatched a task force headed by Vice-Admiral Kanth Filmir. The loss of the 'Alfhild' and its carrier group consisting of the 'Magni' and 'Modi' along with secondary fleet assets is one of the largest thefts of military hardware in recent memory. The Republic Fleet confirmed today that they are no longer in possession of the mothership and its escorts, and that Captain Muritor is no longer registered as a Republic Captain, but rather has formed a dissident group known as "The Defiants". The Republic refused to comment on the intentions of The Defiants or of Karishal Muritor. However, experts within The Amarr Navy have speculated that they [The Defiants] will attempt to raid and disrupt operations on the border regions of Amarr space. Several key Amarrian commanders have also spoken out and have suggested that Muritor is still acting on behalf of The Republic Fleet despite the declaration made today by The Republic. The Republic continues to deny all allegations of associating with the rebellious Karishal Muritor. Now, do Electus Matari claim to speak for the Fleet? Do we all now recieve a pardon from her majesty Midular? at the least a letter of marque? Thought not. It sounds like you are having fun over there Darius. Perhaps now you will find it easier to overcome your reservations at pacifying Nefanter colonies and return to your Brothers. Our Thukker kin may be hard but at least they are up front.
Arkady Sadik Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.12.31 16:33:00 - [92] Edited by: Arkady Sadik on 31/12/2007 16:35:49 Originally by: Jacinda Molanth They outlawed the Khumaak [...] ... in specific occassions, not in general. Most of these situations involve diplomatic contact with the Amarr. As any diplomat will attest you it is not very useful to deliberately insult the person you are trying to talk with. But even in diplomatic situations, carrying a Khumaak is perfectly legal as long as it is covered up. You will find that the Amarr rarely if ever bring slaves to diplomatic talks, specifically because they do not want to provoke us, either. This legistlation is the result of political debate in the Tribal Council. You might disagree with the results, but calling a government corrupt just because it does not do exactly what you want it to do strikes me as odd. As a side remark, the same legislation resulted in the Amarr freeing of a large number of our people. Quote: I still believe the death of Admiral Karishal was little more than an assassination An assassination involves killing of the target as the primary goal. In this case, Muritor's death was not the goal, but a regretable course of action made unavoidable by Muritor resisting arrest. And as you bring up the legality of this, he was a deserter to the Fleet, so the death was also perfectly legal. You might disagree with this being the correct decision, but try not to call it an assassination. Quote: Now slaves can be bought and sold throughout Republic space, is this GOOD for the people of the Republic? This change in legislation is solely done by the SCC and was in no way related, affected by, or affectable by the Republic. All four nations face this problem, not just the Republic. None of them was able to prevent it, though I guess all of them would have wanted to. Blaming the Republic for this change in SCC regulations strikes me again as odd, as it presumes the Republic has more influence on the SCC than all three other nations together. And as another side note: Prior to this, slaves usually were left to die in structures as it was very, very difficult for even well-meaning people to get them to proper care. Was that GOOD for the people of the Republic? The change here results in nothing more than existing slaves changing the hangar in which they are kept. Turning free people into slaves and transporting slaves is still illegal within the Republic. You are free to disagree with any of these decisions - or even any decision at all done by the Republic. But please disagree with what the Republic actually has decided, or was in any way able to affect.
Curry Kior Minmatar Si chou zhi lu	Posted - 2008.01.01 01:26:00 - [93] All this talk about doctrine, policy and parsing bores me. As Kald has stated, this is the time to act. The time to bicker, to debate and to deconstruct points of view is over. It is time to act. What have you done today to free the enslaved Matari, your brothers and sisters, fathers and mothers? What will you do tomorrow? Rise! Curry Kior, Wu Xei CEO of Si Chou Zhi Lu http://currykior.vox.com/
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.01.01 14:44:00 - [94] Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 01/01/2008 14:44:52 Yes, Thrace, the Fleet does have an issue with and there is a warranty on "Muritor's followers", by which the statement to my knowledge refers to that personnel of the Fleet that defected with him. They also do consider the Defiants criminals (having stolen a couple of capital ships, broken their oaths and disobeyed direct orders might have something to do with it). There is however no indication whatsoever that this would have been by now extended to other pilots so that if they chose to stop 'following Muritor' and come home, they would need to face a trial or persecution, or that they would not be welcome on our stations or our space. For gods' sake, the Republic even keeps on paying you all for work! It's never too late to come home, Telemicus Thrace. We are waiting for you. Curry, ask us in space, I don't think descriptions of any of our operations are for public forums that the enemy reads. -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.01.02 03:50:00 - [95] We have no reason at all to turn our back on the Defiants. To do so would be to abandon not only our Brothers in arms, abandon our entire cause but to also turn our backs on friends. And if I am supposed to be recieving a paycheck from the Republic still please give someone in accounts a kick. I haven't taken a Republic Kredit since I left for Providence.
Taanu	Posted - 2008.01.02 11:13:00 - [96] We stand with you brother
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.01.02 19:23:00 - [97] Originally by: Telemicus Thrace I haven't taken a Republic Kredit since I left for Providence. And that is an honorable choice, given your position. I have to point out, however, that it is your choice, not the Republic's. Elsebeth Rhiannon -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
Buggs Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.02 23:24:00 - [98] 'Reads latest reports,' 'Thinks to self how few actually fight (have fought) for our children. families. Then how FEW actually fight for others families / children'. Damn shame! The thought that somebody can explain away their race based on a government is enough to make one spit Then there are those that think that if they defend the Republic that they are helping our tribes. keeping the peace, working for the Min. Rep. What has the Republic really given you? 'Why is it, we as Minmatar, are so different? Do we NOT have the same underlying goals? Why does one side say fight, while the others say pacify? For what the Minmatar people have, was it not gained by the blood of your brother / sisters? Will it not be retained by our sons / daughters? Only by example I say. For those that may try to question my loyalty, your best served asking around to friends and foes first.
Ushi Lee	Posted - 2008.01.03 05:41:00 - [99] i will keep it simple...just put me on that KOS list will ya? We come for our People!!
Miss Yetti Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.01.03 05:46:00 - [100] Ushi my love....u look so hot today..cant wait to see u again oh yeah, he slaverscum, can u put me on that KOS list too? Ill invite myself when we have visual We come for our People!!
Raktar Medovski	Posted - 2008.01.03 20:44:00 - [101] Edited by: Raktar Medovski on 03/01/2008 20:44:07 You silly people and your silly wars. You are all ignoring the one true threat: Assassins hiding in unusual places. Don't be surprised when one gets you!
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.01.03 22:42:00 - [102] Buggs you old war dog, still not dead then? Rise!
Becq Starforged Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.01.09 02:53:00 - [103] Any more volunteers for the PIE KOS list? Rise, brothers and sisters! Rise and support our people! -- Becq Starforged proprietor of Starforge Industries, a subsidiary of Minmatar Ship Construction Services At Starforge Industries, the world of tomorrow is being blown apart today!
Illuvian	Posted - 2008.01.11 03:53:00 - [104] Pray for the dead and fight like hell for the living. ------ Metus improbos compescit, non clementia. It is fear, not kindness that restrains the wicked.

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