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kilina	Posted - 2007.12.27 13:02:00 - [1] Edited by: kilina on 27/12/2007 13:04:03 because the new players don't get a chance to do anything and they mostly don't stay with this game. points: new players are always being can baited this is pathetic if you ask me every noob system i have been in i see this happening, also i see older players moaning all the time in these forums about how its an exploit that corps join alliances when they are decked then they leave the alliance to push of the war deck. this game isnt just for the older players but it is also for the newer players how are new players going to play this game if they are always war decked. stay in an npc corp all there game time and be a lonewolf and be can baited? noob corps are always being decked by older corps for fun this can only be gotten rid of by joining an allaince or not playing the game for a week if anything, ccp need to bring a feature out to stop corps being war decked all the time eg, the corp that was war decked pays a fee to be immune from war in higher sec systems etc. otherwise this game will never reach its potential and wont get a large new player base because all the new players leave the game due to this. only way to avoid this is to join an alliance. what are your opinions on this?
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2007.12.27 13:17:00 - [2] Guess you wouldn't say the same as me, but I enjoyed my first few war dec's and the first time I got pirated... That's what kept my with the game in the first place. Even if I died a lot, and was broke a lot of the time. I don't measure the amount of fun I have in game by the size of my wallet, if I only have one million isk, I'll buy a frig and go shoot people with that, and my character is now nearly a year and a half old. People just need to know how to ask questions and realize that the tutorial is not the end all be all of how to play eve (maybe put that in the tutorial). The learning curve was steep at the beginning, but thats another thing that kept me interested... I swear I still find new things even now. and... in b4 the flamezorz ____________________ Hi. I'm not an alt :)
Feng Schui Minmatar The Ninja Coalition	Posted - 2007.12.27 13:23:00 - [3] If you're being baited in the starting system, petition. This is against the EULA. And you can't be wardec'd in an NPC corp.
kilina	Posted - 2007.12.27 13:25:00 - [4] Originally by: Feng Schui If you're being baited in the starting system, petition. This is against the EULA. And you can't be wardec'd in an NPC corp. new players dont know anything about this this stil doesnt solve the problom,
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2007.12.27 13:35:00 - [5] True they don't know that much about it, but at any given time there are some players in newbie NPC corps that do know what to do about it, and players that are old enough in-game in the newbie systems to help out also. Comes down to being able to ask a question and be curious about the game they are playing. I might give a smartassed answer off the top of my head when I get a newbie question, but I'll either set them straight right after in a convo or local or wherever I happen to be chatting ____________________ Hi. I'm not an alt :)
Feng Schui Minmatar The Ninja Coalition	Posted - 2007.12.27 13:37:00 - [6] Edited by: Feng Schui on 27/12/2007 13:38:20 /me grabs the flamethrower There is a nice little pop up message that tells you that if you steal from a can, they can shoot you, unless reading is a problem? If it is, then thats an entire different set of things you need to worry about, and post in the Features and Requests forums for a Screen Reader / Aura Screen Reader. Oh, wait, you're being wardec'd as a noob? So you didn't take the time to spend in the help channel and ask questions? Didn't take the time to listen to people that try to give you advice? How did you get the isk to form your own corporation anyways? Not to mention the skillbooks for them. You have no clue about why the "older players are moaning" do you? Corp A wardecs Corp B. Corp B joins Alliance. Corp A can shoot Corp B and Alliance. Corp B leaves Alliance. Corp A can still shoot at Corp B and Alliance. ^^ This is how I read it from the OP. I don't know if it works this way or not. Never cared to investigate, nor have I ever heard of this. This is a broken game mechanic, unless the GM's or DEV's say otherwise. Get used to it. Want someone to hold your hand? Go post on the WOW boards.
Feng Schui Minmatar The Ninja Coalition	Posted - 2007.12.27 13:39:00 - [7] And why are you posting this in Crime and Punishment? Do you *WANT* to get wardec'd?
Ironnight Caldari x13	Posted - 2007.12.27 14:03:00 - [8] Ermm this has gone on since there was 5k people playing, soooo The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est Pro patria mori.
Malaugrym Caldari The Phoenix Mercenaries	Posted - 2007.12.27 14:19:00 - [9] i'd avdivse actually looking at a game before you post that it will never grow and soon die out. interesting out the front page has news articles detailing new records being set for simultaneous users online huh? guess that means we're shrinking. everyone cancel your accounts.
General Coochie The Bastards	Posted - 2007.12.27 14:21:00 - [10] Edited by: General Coochie on 27/12/2007 14:21:26 Actually I think that the reason eve is what it is, with its harsh mmo world, is what has made it grow and grow and grow since launch. I don't think any other MMO has ever had a constantly increasing player base since launch over 4 years. If you want safe game play where you don't risk loosing anything this game isn't for you, but that doesn't mean that everyone else playing thinks the same, does it? Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes

William DeMeo Gallente the united	Posted - 2007.12.27 14:30:00 - [11] And yet the servers just peaked 40k. Weird. Yarr
Orar Ironfist Incarnation of Evil Nocturnal Legion	Posted - 2007.12.27 14:35:00 - [12] Originally by: kilina Edited by: kilina on 27/12/2007 13:04:03 because the new players don't get a chance to do anything and they mostly don't stay with this game. points: new players are always being can baited this is pathetic if you ask me every noob system i have been in i see this happening, also i see older players moaning all the time in these forums about how its an exploit that corps join alliances when they are decked then they leave the alliance to push of the war deck. this game isnt just for the older players but it is also for the newer players how are new players going to play this game if they are always war decked. stay in an npc corp all there game time and be a lonewolf and be can baited? noob corps are always being decked by older corps for fun this can only be gotten rid of by joining an allaince or not playing the game for a week if anything, ccp need to bring a feature out to stop corps being war decked all the time eg, the corp that was war decked pays a fee to be immune from war in higher sec systems etc. otherwise this game will never reach its potential and wont get a large new player base because all the new players leave the game due to this. only way to avoid this is to join an alliance. what are your opinions on this? Wow. Just Wow. So im gonna say your one of those ******s that doesnt like to read and just closes all those silly popups when you do things right?. Gee i cant wait to see what you write when you go ratting in low sec RIP CRC I loved your sig nerfbats YOU CAN NEVER NERF THIS SIG WHILE IM ON THE CASE. Oh and next time leave your name like cortes did cause hes cool :o
X14nth Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.27 14:42:00 - [13] So, if I get this right from peoples replies... EVE online - separating the wheat from the chaff since 2003?
Skjorta	Posted - 2007.12.27 14:49:00 - [14] another loltroll thread. at least they are trying these days.
Feng Schui Minmatar The Ninja Coalition	Posted - 2007.12.27 14:50:00 - [15] Originally by: X14nth So, if I get this right from peoples replies... EVE online - separating the wheat from the chaff since 2003? No. Whining about this, well.. crap, in the crime and punishment forums, is like whining that you got beat up and robbed, to prison inmates.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2007.12.27 14:57:00 - [16] tech we have been war decked what, once in the last year about? and by once I mean by 3 corps at the same time (oh just remembered another wardec we got, so thats 2 times) basically if you get wardecked you did something wrong, either you **ed someone off, or you undocked in a slightly too pimped CNR one too many times. okay maybe there are some other reasons, but basically flaunting your stuff/**ing someone off is a great way to get wardecked. did I mention we had several CNRs, can flipped a lot, and pewpewed in lowsec? oh, and who said new players cant join experienced corps? as for can baiting, go get "baited" and take the bater out and anyways if you get baited once too bad for you, if you get baited again your a damned idiot.
Laura Baretta Minmatar Cult of the Skulls	Posted - 2007.12.27 15:03:00 - [17] Edited by: Laura Baretta on 27/12/2007 15:04:42 Your thoughts are based on upon the assumption that new players are dumb. Which alot of them probably are, but the ones that stay know how to act and react to situations like you described. EvE will probably never be attractive to the hardcore WoW player, but that is a good thing. Because if EvE was meant to be as successful as WoW, it would have to become more like WoW, wich would be total and utter crap. PS.: EvE is in perfect health (population wise)
Connaisseur	Posted - 2007.12.27 15:07:00 - [18] That's the EVE idiot filter. Sure, some manage to slip through, but EVE has the one of the best smart/stupid people ratios I've seen in an MMO lately. This causes EVE to grow slower, but it grows nonetheless.
Laura Baretta Minmatar Cult of the Skulls	Posted - 2007.12.27 15:09:00 - [19] Originally by: kilina Edited by: kilina on 27/12/2007 13:04:03 mostly always being can baited always war decked always being decked war decked all the time never reach its potential because all the new players leave Here, I highlighted your error in thinking. You are generalizing too much.
Kehmor Caldari PAK	Posted - 2007.12.27 16:06:00 - [20] eve today is far from harsh. It used to be, but not so much now. Interestingly four years ago there was a hell of a lot less whining too...

Skywalker Minmatar MAFIA	Posted - 2007.12.27 16:18:00 - [21] Originally by: Kehmor eve today is far from harsh. It used to be, but not so much now. Interestingly four years ago there was a hell of a lot less whining too... Signed, today it is alot less hard environment. It is like comparing the Wild West to modern civilization. No warp to zero. When you jumped through a gate you ended up at a random planet. No big blobs to protect you. And so on... MAFIA Website
Flog It	Posted - 2007.12.27 16:32:00 - [22] Edited by: Flog It on 27/12/2007 16:32:30 nm
xenoin Racketeers	Posted - 2007.12.27 16:41:00 - [23] Edited by: xenoin on 27/12/2007 16:41:25 kilina... your posts stink of F41L, even more than mine
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.27 16:47:00 - [24] EVE is in the early stages of death; that is, rapid growth. - DesuSigs
Malken Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.12.27 16:59:00 - [25] Originally by: kilina Edited by: kilina on 27/12/2007 13:04:03 because the new players don't get a chance to do anything and they mostly don't stay with this game. points: new players are always being can baited this is pathetic if you ask me every noob system i have been in i see this happening, also i see older players moaning all the time in these forums about how its an exploit that corps join alliances when they are decked then they leave the alliance to push of the war deck. this game isnt just for the older players but it is also for the newer players how are new players going to play this game if they are always war decked. stay in an npc corp all there game time and be a lonewolf and be can baited? noob corps are always being decked by older corps for fun this can only be gotten rid of by joining an allaince or not playing the game for a week if anything, ccp need to bring a feature out to stop corps being war decked all the time eg, the corp that was war decked pays a fee to be immune from war in higher sec systems etc. otherwise this game will never reach its potential and wont get a large new player base because all the new players leave the game due to this. only way to avoid this is to join an alliance. what are your opinions on this? my opinion is grow nads and play eve instead of thinking it should be remade into wow.
Durzel	Posted - 2007.12.27 17:05:00 - [26] I'd class EvE as an "elite" MMO, it's very unforgiving to regular players and anyone coming from most other MMORPGs. In Star Wars Galaxies there's zero death penalty, WoW is PvE centric (cooperative raids, etc). Speaking as a newbie EvE seems to be a PvP game with a PvE veneer (i.e. it's just there for filler).. that works for people bored of PvE in other games, etc but as a game it's more demanding in terms of intelligence, etc (since AI in MMOs rarely compares to any human player). The big problem I can see with EvE is two-fold: PvP brings out the worst in people and attracts the sort of people who would gladly make your gameplaying experience a living hell for as long as they could. Secondly being PvP centric it will be harder to attract as much new blood as other MMOs.. there will be people who will simply quit as soon as they get can-flipped in "secure space". Seasoned vets will argue that these people "aren't worth having" or are just "noobs", but at the end of the day without new players coming in to replace those that are simply bored or move on to other games it would get stagnant.
Baaldor Caldari Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.27 17:21:00 - [27] Originally by: kilina Edited by: kilina on 27/12/2007 13:04:03 words Ok I'll bite. 1-At one point and time peak log was about 4 to 5000 on a weekend. Its up to 40k+ now? 2-I started at 100k to 200k skill points. Noobs start out now at 800k+?!!And some of these guys are getting advanced learning skills and within 15 minutes of specialized weapons skills. 3-We used to have to work very hard to survive. I.E. BM gates, stations, so on and so on. We had to actually use or wits. Now you have an "easy button" of sorts. 4- There is more tech items for players now than there has ever been. And most noobs can get right into them. So their chance for survival has greatly increased. Players are not entitled a damn thing in this game. The only thing you are entitled to is to log on after you pay you sub. After that you are on your own.
Tamash Maar Amarr Leela's Lamas	Posted - 2007.12.27 17:21:00 - [28] eve is evil. thats what they made the game to be.. and thats why i love it. when i was a newbie i got bashed all the time but that was only good for me. eve is EVIL! AND WE LOVE IT CAUSE OF THAT! I have died more then (put any number here) and i have lost (any number here) billions. but thats just what kept me going. personally if you cant take it then the game is not for you.
KiVaQ	Posted - 2007.12.27 17:24:00 - [29] Kilina i think in a way and at some times eve can be unfair to new players (but every player has been where you are we where all once newbs). Even thou you got alot of you whinning this and that there is actually some great tips in there (just gotta look deep). My advice for new players is to join a corp that is there for you. There are alot of acadamy corps that take new ppl in train them and show then what the game has to offer (its amazing the different ways ppl enjoy this game). The way i did it was i joined a very well known acadamy corp about 3 years ago, I stayed there learnt what i could actually do in the long run made some desicions got hell of alot of help, Then moved up to the main corp after being in game like 4 months (main corp was in alliance that got hit hard). It wasnt what i would call fun dieing to well very good pvpers when all i could fly was a vexor :)(but it never put me off eithier it's why i still here today i wanted revenge). So i looked at eve again and thought get me and my brother to open our own corp, This corp has been going over 2 years and is doing very well. We never got wardecd due to our training and diplomatic skills. Also i wouldnt come on these foums with points like this due to fact older players half time wont give 2 ***** and try and flame you. Get on help chanel of find other ppl in your situation and team up (dont need to be in alliance), Half fun of eve i find is the interaction between corps and alliances and of course blowing the living day lights out of everyones best friend .
Faekurias Federation Fleet Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.12.27 17:33:00 - [30] Edited by: Faekurias on 27/12/2007 17:34:00 Originally by: kilina Stuff Quite the contrary,when I joined there wasn't much of anything anywhere. But I did get nubbinganked,and that only sparked me. Without the constant risk,pvp feeling and the atmosphere of a post-war/post-apocalyptic spaceage sci-fi game (which it is last I checked) I probably wouldn't have stayed my first month. I'm sorry but this really is a PVP oriented "constant vulnerability" kind of game. Ofcourse there are ways ingame that you can avoid it but really. If you don't like PVP I can't see why you even play this game unless you Super NPC Corp missionrun/ mine etc etc whatever. But still, even then you'll need a few tricks up your sleeve to get to the goals and ends you want to, and this is what makes EvE stand out, whereas in for example ,"wow", you pvp and when you die, NOTHING happens, no equipment damage or anything. You just run back to your corpse and then you can fight again. But you didn't lose jack. That is purely fail tbh. Might aswell just rub a banana with a wet cloth, without risk there's no adrenaline rush, atleast not for me :) Originally by: kilina Originally by: Feng Schui If you're being baited in the starting system, petition. This is against the EULA. And you can't be wardec'd in an NPC corp. new players dont know anything about this this stil doesnt solve the problom, ^ RTFEULA? :) Sig locked, abuse of use - for more information mail [email protected]



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