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Ademaro Imre Caldari Eye of God	Posted - 2008.01.02 02:32:00 - [91] Originally by: James Swindle Hahahahaha, just read all the posts that have been posted since i went out. I would never of posted it if people were going to take it so seriously Also the guy who said that you saved our arse in WW1 and WW2, you know....just...ssshh. WW1, you were barely involved and when you were...you were being typical gun ho yanks jumping over the trenches and getting shot into a swiss cheese like state (i could go on about WW1 but it is really too much effort). And as for WW2, i just can hope you can work it out for yourselves with these few words...Battle of Britain, again late to the war, the Ruskies, British intelligence/sabotage, etc etc. Now don't get me wrong, you helped a great deal in WW2...not really so much in WW1 (except with supplies). But you say you saved out arses is just a false statement. You knowledge of World World One is very bad, bordering ignorant. When World War 1 ended, the United States had 2 million soldiers serving in France, and 10,000 troops arriving per day, and occupied more miles of trenches and front lines than ANY OTHER allied nation. To say the US was barely involved shows a vast ignorance of history. I could go on with other statistics including the 1200+ various medals of honor awarded to them from other nations.
Velation Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider	Posted - 2008.01.02 02:34:00 - [92] I can agree with everything except for the Warm Beer. really, what is wrong with you Northern Hemisphere types (except you Americans, at least you can get it right!) :( Beer is best served chilled, i mean really.....
Ademaro Imre Caldari Eye of God	Posted - 2008.01.02 02:59:00 - [93] Originally by: Isiskhan I had a German gf who got a degree on history specializing on the Cold War, and she used to explain that the consensus among historians over there is that Germany pretty much lost WWII to the Red Army, not the allied forces as it is commonly believed in the western world (which is not surprising given our bias and the Cold War that came afterwards). The Russian Army would have been in perpetual self-defense without the immense support sent by the US and UK. For instance, Russia managed to build only 900 locomotive engines throughout the entire war, but the US/UK sent them 2,000 locomotives, denying their own use of those materials and factories. Not just locomotives, food, ammunition, small arms, artillery, trucks, aircraft and tanks were also sent on the Liberty ships.
James Swindle Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.01.02 03:01:00 - [94] Whatever, as i said...i could go into huge amounts of detail about it but i cant be arsed. Im not going to sit here and write an essay about it just to prove a point.
James Swindle Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.01.02 03:03:00 - [95] Oh and seeing as i ripped this from a group on Facebook, i though i would share with you people one of the many funny responces that it got from an American who couldn't tell it was just a joke. "Adrian Ivasic (Sterling KS) wrote on Dec 31, 2007 at 1:26 PM. About your Anti American group... I am sorry you don't like the way we talk or the fact that we are so dominant in the world. You don't like that we blow people up for talking ** and that we elected an idiot as president (we all make mistakes, atleast he has balls to fight, and your country did support him and the war that most of us didn't) Over 200 years ago we decide worshiping old women and men were dumb. We also felt that you guys were a bunch of soft pussies so we waged war for freedom and won. There are words you use wrong like "bloody" simply say *** if you can't then don't. Also your horrible accent makes you sound homosexual which most of your men look as well, please find a weight room. Also I am sorry that we have to be the policeman of the world and everytime there was a world war we had to save yous from germany, next time we will just let them take over and there will be only one english speaking country...us. Also American football is perhaps to advanced for you to understand with play calling and strategy, more so than rugby which I have played. I know strategy and physicality is not your guys type of thing. Sense you can't fight and your army always needs our help. All in all if you don't like too bad. You were once the super power of the world and your just **ed that some arrogant macho people have taken your language and butchered it; taken your empire out of North America by kicking your asses; and taken your pride by helping you win every war of the modern day. Happy holidays"
Ademaro Imre Caldari Eye of God	Posted - 2008.01.02 03:51:00 - [96] Edited by: Ademaro Imre on 02/01/2008 03:51:20 Originally by: James Swindle Whatever, as i said...i could go into huge amounts of detail about it but i cant be arsed. Im not going to sit here and write an essay about it just to prove a point. So, its because you lack any knowledge to back up anything you posted or to justify your insults. Please, dispute me. You do not have a grain of knowledge to do so.
Troye Gallente Strix Armaments and Defence	Posted - 2008.01.02 04:44:00 - [97] Quote: Also your horrible accent makes you sound homosexual which most of your men look as well, please find a weight room. Thats ironic, whenever I hear an American on TS they always sound alittle ***, maybe its the way their words meld into one another, makes them sound like they have a lisp, also everything's g a y to Americans, its amazing how much they like to use that word in everday sentences. _______________________________________________ EVE is dying, we are all doomed...
Frezik Basically Outdated Stereo Equiptment	Posted - 2008.01.02 05:01:00 - [98] Originally by: Troye Quote: Also your horrible accent makes you sound homosexual which most of your men look as well, please find a weight room. Thats ironic, whenever I hear an American on TS they always sound alittle ***, maybe its the way their words meld into one another, makes them sound like they have a lisp, also everything's g a y to Americans, its amazing how much they like to use that word in everday sentences. The person I hear that word from the most is Jeremy Clarkson.
James Swindle Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.01.02 15:42:00 - [99] Maybe "barely" was a bad word to use, the point i was trying to get across was that fact that what you did for us in WW1 does not equal..."we saved your ass in WW1" kind of statements. Or you still going to be so stubborn that you want me to go and find my old history papers and copy them up for you?!
Micheal Dietrich Caldari The Delta Source	Posted - 2008.01.02 17:08:00 - [100] Edited by: Micheal Dietrich on 02/01/2008 17:09:13 WW2 Germans really lost the war to attrition and disease. Hitler had the bright idea to send them to Russia in winter. He also had a tendency to muck up research and development. If they had gotten the M262 off the ground faster the europian war would have been very different. Also another little fact on WW1: One of America's last 3 WW1 vets died last month. Canada's last WW1 vet died about a year ago.
Tarquin Tarquinius Gallente Escorts of Eve	Posted - 2008.01.02 17:24:00 - [101] Going back to the point 15 in the OP... ....JFK was killed by Lee Harvey Oswald who acted alone. ------ Any factual errors or mistakes in spelling and grammar should be attributed solely to me and not my nation of origin.
Rialtor Amarr Yarrrateers Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.02 17:57:00 - [102] Originally by: Frezik Originally by: James Swindle WW1, you were barely involved and when you were...you were being typical gun ho yanks jumping over the trenches and getting shot into a swiss cheese like state (i could go on about WW1 but it is really too much effort). I generally find that both the American who shouts "we saved you in WWI and II!" is just as ignorant of the facts as the European who tries to correct him. WWI was a stupid war with a stupid strategy and fought for ultimately stupid reasons. It was a European problem that America got dragged into. By that time, the major powers had already fought themselves into a stalemate. With the troops on all sides warn out, America could choose which side it wanted to win simply by providing fresh troops to that side. The de facto choice was the Allies. Without that, the war almost certainly would have ended in stalemate. Keep in mind that even after defeating Spain and Theodore Roosevelt's Naval expansion, America still had lingering feelings of isolationism that lasted until WWII. The Washington Doctrine left European problems for Europe to deal with. By all rights, America shouldn't have even entered the war. Shouldn't have even been giving supplies to England. Wilson was reelected in 1916 on the basis of keeping America out of the war (though he was forced to enter the war not long after). I can understand why a European would feel resentful of an American trumpeting the success of WWI and II, but I can't say it's a wrong statement, either. Your history lesson isn't really complete. America was best suited to fight a war like WWI because they fought in the civil war. The Europeans had no experience with that style of warfare. The result were the stupid tactics you mentioned. The precursor to WWI, with regards to strategy and tactics was the Civil War, so American Generals were more knowledgeable of the paradigm. But you're right America joined in on WWI to get their voice heard in the treaty, they actually didn't do much. I can feel you on WWI, but WWII? Without American Aid it wouldn't have been so easy. Britain was in no shape to aid Russia, even before America officially joined the war there was massive aid being sent to Russia to keep them fighting. Russia was a stone's throw from being defeated. One of the major reasons for Russian success was German arrogance, and that they only fitted for a spring war. Without American Aid German forces might not have been extended till the winter. Also if Japan and Germany were allowed to meet and secure oil reserves in Russia the outcome may have been different as well. But I can understand you saying America's role was only symbolic in WWI, but in WWII I think you'd have to be smoking some serious herbal supplements to come to that conclusion. ---- sig ---- Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world... Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.
Sister Impotentata Elite Angels Of Death	Posted - 2008.01.02 17:58:00 - [103] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich WW2 Germans really lost the war to attrition and disease. Hitler had the bright idea to send them to Russia in winter. But it worked so well for Napoleon! Originally by: Micheal Dietrich He also had a tendency to muck up research and development. If they had gotten the M262 off the ground faster the europian war would have been very different. The 262 should have stayed on the ground, IMHO. The jet program should have been applied to bombers. But even that might have been too little, too late. Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Also another little fact on WW1: One of America's last 3 WW1 vets died last month. Canada's last WW1 vet died about a year ago. Even more impressive, our last Civil War Widow passed just four years ago. ----- TANSTAAFL Originally by: Patricia Arquette There were lots of stars at night. purple and red and yellow and on fire You don't see that. You might still see it in the desert.
Rialtor Amarr Yarrrateers Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.02 17:59:00 - [104] Edited by: Rialtor on 02/01/2008 18:04:18 Originally by: Tarquin Tarquinius Going back to the point 15 in the OP... ....JFK was killed by Lee Harvey Oswald who acted alone. Yea seriously, people really need to stop believing in that big government conspiracy stuff. How many trials need to be run to show that the shot came from the depository for this myth to go away? Quote: At least we have dentists Very Happy Seriously guys, don't you have orthodontists in your country? Is it not covered under your healthcare system or something? I see a lot regular people from Britain they have messed up teeth . I mean even Ricky Hatton has messed up teeth and he's rich. What gives? I mean I think even Jewel got her teeth fixed. And those were some bbaaaaddddddddd teeth. so what gives? ---- sig ---- Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world... Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.
Rhegulius Nycemius Epitoth Fleetyards	Posted - 2008.01.02 18:24:00 - [105] Originally by: Rialtor Your history lesson isn't really complete. America was best suited to fight a war like WWI because they fought in the civil war. The Europeans had no experience with that style of warfare. The result were the stupid tactics you mentioned. Ah yes because Europe didn't have any wars at all in the 19th century Quote: The precursor to WWI, with regards to strategy and tactics was the Civil War, so American Generals were more knowledgeable of the paradigm. Sorry but no - the precursor tactically, strategically, and technologically speaking was the Franco-Prussian War. Quote: I can feel you on WWI, but WWII? Without American Aid it wouldn't have been so easy. Britain was in no shape to aid Russia, even before America officially joined the war there was massive aid being sent to Russia to keep them fighting. I aways get a kick out of the American "historians" that think that Britain was going it alone... forgetting that whole Commonwealth/Empire bit - some of the British Commonwealth members not only contributed men and material, they even outright gave cash to try and offset the economic damage that Lend Lease was set up to inflict on a post-war British "Empire".
Rialtor Amarr Yarrrateers Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.02 18:56:00 - [106] Edited by: Rialtor on 02/01/2008 19:02:54 Edited by: Rialtor on 02/01/2008 18:58:31 Originally by: Rhegulius Nycemius Sorry but no - the precursor tactically, strategically, and technologically speaking was the Franco-Prussian War. Germany and France got some experience. But as I recall The French used Rifles in the Trenches and badly designed automatic weapons, but the german artillery proved more effective. German weaponry proved more effective overall. Much of the French weaponry was becoming obsolete. In the American Civil War they deployed the Gatling gun which was very well designed for it's time, and had a much bigger impact on Trench Warfare than the French Model. I would say they had "better trench warfare" in the American Civil War since both sides had comparable and up-to-date weaponry. So I would call the Civil War the 1st WWI style war of it's kind. While it was deployed at the End of the War it was deemed successful, and used to great effectiveness in the Spanish American War. Quote: I aways get a kick out of the American "historians" that think that Britain was going it alone... forgetting that whole Commonwealth/Empire bit - some of the British Commonwealth members not only contributed men and material, they even outright gave cash to try and offset the economic damage that Lend Lease was set up to inflict on a post-war British "Empire". Are you discounting American involvement though, as to say it wasn't needed? Because the Aid America gave was very substantial even before actively being involved in the War. ---- sig ---- Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world... Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.
Ademaro Imre Caldari Eye of God	Posted - 2008.01.02 20:15:00 - [107] Edited by: Ademaro Imre on 02/01/2008 20:22:05 Originally by: James Swindle Maybe "barely" was a bad word to use, the point i was trying to get across was that fact that what you did for us in WW1 does not equal..."we saved your ass in WW1" kind of statements. Or you still going to be so stubborn that you want me to go and find my old history papers and copy them up for you?! "We saved your ass" may not be literally true, but it is extremely close to being an accurate statement. While the US may not has suffered the same amount of casualties, a statement that the US saved the allies from defeat is accurate. To say that the US moved the allies to victory is also accurate. To show this, I will quote from a letter to President Wilson from the Prime Ministers of France, Italy and the United Kingdom (Georges Clemenceau, Vittorio Orlando and David Lloyd George respectively) begging the United States to send more troops, supplies, and equipment in June of 1918. The letter threatened defeat if the US did not, because the allies were not able to supply any more reserves or equipment. In fact, Allied shipping went to the US to help with the supply of troops. Quote: ... there is a great danger of the war being lost unless the numerical inferiority of the Allies can be remedied as rapidly as possible by the advent of American troops. Quote: He [General Foch the Commander-in-Chief of the Allied Armies], therefore, urges with the utmost insistence that the maximum possible number of infantry and machine gunners, ... should continue to be shipped from America in the months of June and July to avert the immediate danger of an Allied defeat in the present campaign Quote: we feel confident that the Government of the United States will do everything that can be done, both to meet the needs of the immediate situation and to proceed with the continuous raising of fresh levies, calculated to provide, as soon as possible, the numerical superiority which the Commander-in-Chief of the Allied Armies regards as essential to ultimate victory. For the full text of the Allied prime Ministers begging President Woodrow Wilson to do even more to avoid defeat and to bring about victory. Were they lying? Was the letter a sham? In November, the US had in place 2 million troops and occupied more miles of front than any allied nation. The letter was answered, big time.
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.02 20:41:00 - [108] In regards to us moving towards a debate on WW2, I have this to say. The generation that I am a part of seems not to realy care about who did what in the war. It happened closing in on 70 years ago, the people who lead our nations back then are dead, the generation born in the war is aging and retired, and since a country is it's people I say that the now nonexistence of the French and British Empires, the change from the USA of being an industrial isolationist power to hedgemon then losing that is more important now. When it comes down to it, does knowing that the US governent of 70 years ago helped us make that much of a difference to how you view them today? I know I certainly don't, the US is making it's mark on me with it's current actions and not with the legacy it inherited, it's the same with Britain and the slave trade -why should we apologise for what our ancestors did against someone elses ancestors if it happened to many generations ago? For the record, I do value the discussion as a debate and to judge where we going, but the heart of the matter it is in the past, and the number of Europeans that beleive America won the war for us will allways be in the minority, and vice verca for Americans thinking US troops just spead up the inevitable victory. ~Nyron Originally by: SoftRevolution Not liking Haruhi is like not liking puppies or rainbows or whisky.
Thorliaron	Posted - 2008.01.02 21:01:00 - [109] Originally by: James Swindle Oh and seeing as i ripped this from a group on Facebook, i though i would share with you people one of the many funny responces that it got from an American who couldn't tell it was just a joke. "Adrian Ivasic (Sterling KS) wrote on Dec 31, 2007 at 1:26 PM. About your Anti American group... I am sorry you don't like the way we talk or the fact that we are so dominant in the world. You don't like that we blow people up for talking ** and that we elected an idiot as president (we all make mistakes, atleast he has balls to fight, and your country did support him and the war that most of us didn't) Over 200 years ago we decide worshiping old women and men were dumb. We also felt that you guys were a bunch of soft pussies so we waged war for freedom and won. There are words you use wrong like "bloody" simply say *** if you can't then don't. Also your horrible accent makes you sound homosexual which most of your men look as well, please find a weight room. Also I am sorry that we have to be the policeman of the world and everytime there was a world war we had to save yous from germany, next time we will just let them take over and there will be only one english speaking country...us. Also American football is perhaps to advanced for you to understand with play calling and strategy, more so than rugby which I have played. I know strategy and physicality is not your guys type of thing. Sense you can't fight and your army always needs our help. All in all if you don't like too bad. You were once the super power of the world and your just **ed that some arrogant macho people have taken your language and butchered it; taken your empire out of North America by kicking your asses; and taken your pride by helping you win every war of the modern day. Happy holidays" That guy must be a homo, i mean he likes going to the weights room with all his other sweaty male americans and proberly likes a good wrestle aswell
Battleclash	Posted - 2008.01.02 21:22:00 - [110] Originally by: Thorliaron That guy must be a homo, i mean he likes going to the weights room with all his other sweaty male americans and proberly likes a good wrestle aswell Well if you went to a weight room you'd find out they are co-ed. There is a reason I joined yoga afterall. Oh and if you feel that's not very manly I'm still into Tai fighting on mondays and thursdays. Originally by: Vladimir Ilych Stupidity is universal.
Sister Impotentata Elite Angels Of Death	Posted - 2008.01.02 21:23:00 - [111] Originally by: Kirjava In regards to us moving towards a debate on WW2, I have this to say. The generation that I am a part of seems not to realy care about who did what in the war. It happened closing in on 70 years ago, the people who lead our nations back then are dead, the generation born in the war is aging and retired, and since a country is it's people I say that the now nonexistence of the French and British Empires, the change from the USA of being an industrial isolationist power to hedgemon then losing that is more important now. When it comes down to it, does knowing that the US governent of 70 years ago helped us make that much of a difference to how you view them today? I know I certainly don't, the US is making it's mark on me with it's current actions and not with the legacy it inherited, it's the same with Britain and the slave trade -why should we apologise for what our ancestors did against someone elses ancestors if it happened to many generations ago? For the record, I do value the discussion as a debate and to judge where we going, but the heart of the matter it is in the past, and the number of Europeans that beleive America won the war for us will allways be in the minority, and vice verca for Americans thinking US troops just spead up the inevitable victory. Or in other words: I love me some BF'42, whether it be with US'ers, Canadians, British, Germans, or even the occasional Frenchie or Eyetalian. ----- TANSTAAFL Originally by: Patricia Arquette There were lots of stars at night. purple and red and yellow and on fire You don't see that. You might still see it in the desert.
Thorliaron	Posted - 2008.01.02 22:03:00 - [112] Originally by: Battleclash Originally by: Thorliaron That guy must be a homo, i mean he likes going to the weights room with all his other sweaty male americans and proberly likes a good wrestle aswell Well if you went to a weight room you'd find out they are co-ed. There is a reason I joined yoga afterall. Oh and if you feel that's not very manly I'm still into Tai fighting on mondays and thursdays. i lol'd
Battleclash	Posted - 2008.01.02 22:17:00 - [113] Originally by: Thorliaron Originally by: Battleclash Originally by: Thorliaron That guy must be a homo, i mean he likes going to the weights room with all his other sweaty male americans and proberly likes a good wrestle aswell Well if you went to a weight room you'd find out they are co-ed. There is a reason I joined yoga afterall. Oh and if you feel that's not very manly I'm still into Tai fighting on mondays and thursdays. i lol'd you do that. I'll keep collecting phone #'s Originally by: Vladimir Ilych Stupidity is universal.
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.02 22:31:00 - [114] Edited by: Kirjava on 02/01/2008 22:31:09 Originally by: Sister ImpotentataOr in other words: I love me some BF'42, whether it be with US'ers, Canadians, British, Germans, or even the occasional Frenchie or Eyetalian. Haven't a clue what this means ~Nyron Originally by: SoftRevolution Not liking Haruhi is like not liking puppies or rainbows or whisky.
Sister Impotentata Elite Angels Of Death	Posted - 2008.01.02 22:35:00 - [115] Originally by: Kirjava Edited by: Kirjava on 02/01/2008 22:31:09 Originally by: Sister Impotentata in other words: I love me some BF'42, whether it be with US'ers, Canadians, British, Germans, or even the occasional Frenchie or Eyetalian. Haven't a clue what this means The heart of the matter is that it's all in the past, and we're best off putting it in the past. I'm happy to be friends with anyone from anywhere, given that they're honest folk. Maybe even some dishonest folk, but they're best kept at arm's length in an alt-corp. ----- TANSTAAFL Originally by: BB Lazy Lob and Crazy Cob are weaving webs to wind me. I am far more sweet than other meat, but still they cannot find me!
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2008.01.02 22:37:00 - [116] Hai guys! Yeah, just letting everyone know the new Zero Punctuation review is out and will probably have it's own thread like it always does... anyway, he's doing Super Mario Galaxy this time and it's pretty much the same as all his other reviews. Originally by: Tarminic Okay, that's it. You are on the KOS list, and you better pray that I don't have access to a locater agent.
Rialtor Amarr Yarrrateers Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.02 22:53:00 - [117] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Hai guys! Yeah, just letting everyone know the new Zero Punctuation review is out and will probably have it's own thread like it always does... anyway, he's doing Super Mario Galaxy this time and it's pretty much the same as all his other reviews. ehhh, I found it meh, I thought his last 2 (Mass Erect, and Guitar Hero III) were quite good though. ---- sig ---- Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world... Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.
James Swindle Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.01.02 22:56:00 - [118] GTFO of the thread with your rubbish super mario advertising.
Thorliaron	Posted - 2008.01.02 23:56:00 - [119] Edited by: Thorliaron on 03/01/2008 00:05:55 delete
Thorliaron	Posted - 2008.01.03 00:06:00 - [120] Originally by: Keorythe Um..how exactly do you plan on getting the tax collectors and other enforcement agents to the US. I mean your navy sucks bigtime. The Norway is too busy bouncing cruise liners off of icebergs to lend you its fleet. If you wait for another year or two we should be finishing up this little spat in Iraq and we will be more than happy to "escort" anyone you wish to send over for a nominal fee of course. Euro's only please. Question: Does that mean we have to grow bad teeth? Question: Do all of our women get to go by UK standards thereby allowing our "chubby" girls to be counted as "normal" sized? Question: Does this mean we have to go completely "retro" in music taste and/or start pumping out really bad techno by the boatloads? Talking "over the rainbow" and "hobbits to isengard" techno as serious music not jokes. Question: Does this mean we have to understand bad english humor now? I mean I dont think even the Swedish get most of the humor. Question: Do our soldiers have to do that funky foot stomp when turning? Question: Since we can't get our hip-hop (chav) or Louisiana types to speak american english even fairly well, who do you plan to bring over to get them to speak UK english? i laugh, only people with bad teeth cant afford a dentist, infact i see more americans with bad teeth on telly then i do brits on the streets of london. Also did u know 66% of America's Adult population are over-weight, thats a lot of fat people you got over there bro making you the most obese country in the deveopled world, i think chubby = normal where you are mate!.

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