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Caliber Moon	Posted - 2008.01.02 08:55:00 - [1] The new High-Res patch has been out for a few weeks now, however I do not meet the minimum requirements. I am ready to upgrade. Basically, I don't have enough memory, and my ancient GeForce FX5200 128M sucks. I have already ordered the memory from tigerdirect, but I'm still not sure what to buy when it comes to a video card. The age old question returns, ATI or Nvidia. I am unbiased as I have had success with both. Either way, I'm going to have to spend a few hundred bucks. I guess I'm just looking for some opinions from people who play EVE. And how well their card works for them. I'm not looking for a cheap card, but not top-of-the-line either. Thanks, CM
Garia666 Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E Mercenary Services	Posted - 2008.01.02 08:56:00 - [2] Edited by: Garia666 on 02/01/2008 09:00:43 NVIDIA!!! but no XFX!!! if you still have AGP.. then dont buy a xfx7950 as it sucks big time.. i have broken 2 with in 3 months.. i now upgraded to pci-e next agp card is the ati x1950 ... but i heard ati was comming with new agp cards.. this month so my advise is to check which is the best around if you have pci-e my advise will be the nvidia GF800gt excellent while relativley cheap ->My Vids<-
Caliber Moon	Posted - 2008.01.02 09:10:00 - [3] Thank you Garia666 on that heads up. I was indeed looking at the xfx cards. I will stay clear of them. I wish I had pci-express but im still stuck with agp 8x until my next MAJOR computer upgrade. Thanks
Thuul'Khalat Gallente Phoenix Wing Acheron Federation	Posted - 2008.01.02 09:12:00 - [4] I have a XFX 8800GT and it works like a charm tbh... ---
Zhalakin Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.02 09:26:00 - [5] my xfx8800GTX XXX is working nicely :D
Caliber Moon	Posted - 2008.01.02 09:27:00 - [6] Thanks Thuul'Khalat for your input. Have you had any issues running software other than EVE? Perhaps his problems might be a hardware conflict, I donno. I still get nervous when I'm about to spend a few hundred bucks; as I have had a few graphics cards fail on me in the past. Ill still keep your success in mind. Thanks
Caliber Moon	Posted - 2008.01.02 09:32:00 - [7] Thanks Zhalakin, I guess the worst that can happen is that I buy one, and return it if it fails. PS: Is BOB recruiting? CM
Spacetramp	Posted - 2008.01.02 09:37:00 - [8] Just bought a new graphics card 8800GTS and they rock, had ATI before and it sucks, So any of the 8800 serie and up.
Thuul'Khalat Gallente Phoenix Wing Acheron Federation	Posted - 2008.01.02 09:39:00 - [9] I have yet to come across any issues with it in any software. BUT I have also had a XFX 7950GT (the passive cooled thing with a HUGE heatpipe) and that one did fail miserably, so if that is the same 7950 Garia is talking about, he might very well be correct. The 8800GT is working beautifully though and combined with my Core2Duo E6600, 2GB ram i have 90-100FPS pretty much no matter what's on the grid with Bloom: High, Shadows: High and Buffer(Chache?): Extreme It also runs WOW (Yes... I shamefully admit to playing it now and then) at 120-150FPS with everything maxed, aswell as Entropia, Overlord etc etc etc without so much as a hitch. ---
Strathis Mikluk Fallen Angel's Blade.	Posted - 2008.01.02 09:43:00 - [10] 200FPS in station w/ max settings: 6000+ dual core 2gb Kingston DDR2 800 Gigabyte nVidia 8800GT ASUS M2N32 SLi Deluxe Relatively cheapish if you're looking for an upgrade. ATi while not as fast or high performance as nVidia is scaled accordingly in pricing, lets say they underperform by 13%, they're 13% cheaper (8800GT vs 3870 512mb). It's fanboism atm.
Caliber Moon	Posted - 2008.01.02 09:47:00 - [11] Awesome Thuul'Khalat!! It seems like Nvidia is the choice. Now all I need to do is find one in AGP. Otherwise I may be up for a MB change sooner than later. Thanks again. CM
Strathis Mikluk Fallen Angel's Blade.	Posted - 2008.01.02 09:49:00 - [12] Originally by: Caliber Moon Awesome Thuul'Khalat!! It seems like Nvidia is the choice. Now all I need to do is find one in AGP. Otherwise I may be up for a MB change sooner than later. Thanks again. CM If you're spending money, spend it with the future in mind, go that little bit further for something mid/high range, but rock solid that'll last a long while!
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.02 09:50:00 - [13] I prefer NVidia. I've had slightly more problems with ATI cards but not many. I've just placed an order with Amazon.co.uk for an 8800GT with 512MB of RAM and slight factory overclock. ú120 including VAT and postage. Good card -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Garia666 Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E Mercenary Services	Posted - 2008.01.02 09:53:00 - [14] Originally by: Thuul'Khalat I have yet to come across any issues with it in any software. BUT I have also had a XFX 7950GT (the passive cooled thing with a HUGE heatpipe) and that one did fail miserably, so if that is the same 7950 Garia is talking about, he might very well be correct. The 8800GT is working beautifully though and combined with my Core2Duo E6600, 2GB ram i have 90-100FPS pretty much no matter what's on the grid with Bloom: High, Shadows: High and Buffer(Chache?): Extreme It also runs WOW (Yes... I shamefully admit to playing it now and then) at 120-150FPS with everything maxed, aswell as Entropia, Overlord etc etc etc without so much as a hitch. I had the one with active cooling! ->My Vids<-
Caliber Moon	Posted - 2008.01.02 09:53:00 - [15] Yeah Strathis Mikluk your right. Im still reeling after the Xmas shopping binge. I probably wait another month until after income tax and go all out. I get impatient tho, heh. Thanks
Thuul'Khalat Gallente Phoenix Wing Acheron Federation	Posted - 2008.01.02 09:56:00 - [16] Tbh I think you'll have problems even finding 8-series cards in AGP version. Shelling out a couple hundred dollars for a AGP card would be rather counterproductive anyways as you'll pretty soon have to change mobos etc anyways to get any further. Also, be sure your powersupply can support the thing, as new GFX cards hog a lot of power and are likely to fail if they don't get enough due to overheating. From where I stand I'd just change everything (provided you have the funds), mobo, cpu, ram, GFX and PSU, something that should be easily doable without spending a fortune unless you want to go all out and get top of the line stuff. ---
Caliber Moon	Posted - 2008.01.02 10:07:00 - [17] Thanks Thuul'Khalat, I guess I'll be patient. I've needed a system overhaul for sometime now. I know I'd be wasting money on a card:( Sheesh, I do get impatient big time tho. But everyone is right, its just alot more money than I care to spend. But sometimes you gotta stop fixing that old car that keeps breaking down, and just buy a new one:( sigh Its only a month, I can wait. Thanks for the input everyone. CM
Thuul'Khalat Gallente Phoenix Wing Acheron Federation	Posted - 2008.01.02 10:09:00 - [18] Trust me... I know the feeling :p ---
Bado Sten Minmatar Sten Industries	Posted - 2008.01.02 11:22:00 - [19] If you will be trying Linux on this computer, then go for NVIDIA. ATI's drivers for Linux have been infamous for years. This is supposed to be better now, but I'd still go for NVIDIA as their drivers just work. -- Do you need research services for your blueprints? We have available slots in Metropolis region. Look up my bio for info!
Kryttos Caldari Hard Corp	Posted - 2008.01.02 11:56:00 - [20] your best bet is EVGA Geforce cards. They are great quality, plus they have the trade up program, where if you want a newer card you just pay the difference from the old card to the new, isntead of the whole price.
AlleyKat Gallente White-Noise	Posted - 2008.01.02 12:13:00 - [21] February 19th. GeForce 9800. +EVE-ONLINE VIDEO TUTORIALS+
miner forty9er	Posted - 2008.01.02 12:13:00 - [22] I too was in the same Boat I alo have an older system with AGP and will be waiting for major upgrade till in the Spring sometime. I just bought an Nvida 7300 gt 512 of memory on it Very happy with this choice I now have the eye candy turned on works well with most games.
HaaaaiiiiYA	Posted - 2008.01.02 12:51:00 - [23] Originally by: Andrue I prefer NVidia. I've had slightly more problems with ATI cards but not many. I've just placed an order with Amazon.co.uk for an 8800GT with 512MB of RAM and slight factory overclock. ú120 including VAT and postage. Good card Thats damn good value, never heard of that manufacturer before though, anyone got one of these?
Soulita Gallente Inner Core	Posted - 2008.01.02 14:02:00 - [24] Have had ATI cards before, liked the cards, but the ATI catalyst drivers always sucked for me. So I would recommend Nvidia because of the better drivers.
The Economist	Posted - 2008.01.02 14:40:00 - [25] Go with Nvidia cos CCP hates ATI users and won't let us use HDR and AA at the same time to make eve actually look like the trailer
RU Sirius Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.01.02 14:52:00 - [26] Edited by: RU Sirius on 02/01/2008 14:56:29 Stick with Nvidia. Changing to ATI will cause problems with drivers. I switched from AGP ATI card to an AGP Nvidia card and it caused major problems even after using driversweeper. Had to return the card and buy a newer ATI. Works fine now, except for some minor problems like ship icons, portrait and item/ship windows. But that because it's an ATI card. http://www.save-evetv.com/
Lil'Red Ridin'Hood Snake Assault	Posted - 2008.01.02 15:11:00 - [27] I got myself an 8800GTS 640 about a week ago. According to my research, that should be about the best bang for buck you can get at the moment. I am prepared to withdraw that if proven wrong, though.
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.02 15:15:00 - [28] Originally by: HaaaaiiiiYA Originally by: Andrue I prefer NVidia. I've had slightly more problems with ATI cards but not many. I've just placed an order with Amazon.co.uk for an 8800GT with 512MB of RAM and slight factory overclock. ú120 including VAT and postage. Good card Thats damn good value, never heard of that manufacturer before though, anyone got one of these? I'd vaguely heard of them before and a web search has found a few positive references to them. The company web page looks reasonable. /me shrugs:Perhaps a niche manufacturer. -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
VicturusTeSaluto Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.01.02 15:20:00 - [29] Edited by: VicturusTeSaluto on 02/01/2008 15:24:05 I just got a VisionTek ATI 3870. It was cheap and it runs EVE and Bioshock very nicely with AA/AF turned on. Great card. Also, AGP is ancient. Upgrade your mobo, you bloody luddite. Originally by: RU Sirius Edited by: RU Sirius on 02/01/2008 14:56:29 Stick with Nvidia. Changing to ATI will cause problems with drivers. I switched from AGP ATI card to an AGP Nvidia card and it caused major problems even after using driversweeper. Had to return the card and buy a newer ATI. Works fine now, except for some minor problems like ship icons, portrait and item/ship windows. But that because it's an ATI card. Operator error. I have switched between ati and nvidia cards plenty of times without ever having an issue. Originally by: Bado Sten If you will be trying Linux on this computer, then go for NVIDIA. ATI's drivers for Linux have been infamous for years. This is supposed to be better now, but I'd still go for NVIDIA as their drivers just work. I've been using Linux for over a decade; it's just useless and pointless for gaming these days. That being said- yes if Linux gaming is important you will want nvidia.
Gamer4liff Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2008.01.02 15:32:00 - [30] Originally by: Thuul'Khalat I have a XFX 8800GT and it works like a charm tbh... Same here, single slot, runs quietly, runs games like a dream. I'd highly recommend it too.
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.01.02 15:34:00 - [31] I just switched out my GeForce 7600GS 512 for a ATI x1950 PRO 512. Got a some improvement out of it, but I'd honestly love to be back with a nvidia card. Runs eve great, but I've been waiting to see what new stuff is coming out this month and next before I actually buy anything (x1950 was from a friend ). I gotta say just go with an 8 series nvidia if you are going to stay with nvidia though. ------------ Originally by: Praxis1452 you win eve
MrTripps Gallente	Posted - 2008.01.02 15:37:00 - [32] If you are stuck with AGP the 7600GS is pretty good. I got the PNY 512MB version for about $110. "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me." Hunter S. Thompson.
Theron Gyrow Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.01.03 09:02:00 - [33] If one is cheap and doesn't want to shell out for a 8800 series card, how would a 8600 series card perform for Eve? -- Gradient forum
Thraxon Black-Sun-Inventions	Posted - 2008.01.03 11:41:00 - [34] Edited by: Thraxon on 03/01/2008 11:43:09 Originally by: Theron Gyrow If one is cheap and doesn't want to shell out for a 8800 series card, how would a 8600 series card perform for Eve? I have a 512MB 8600GT with an AMD X2 50000+ and 2GB ram running Vista. It plays EVE with premium graphics (2xAA, HDR off and shadows off) somewhere around 50fps on 1440x900. Smooth gaming experience this way. I bought this card for EUR 99,- On my laptop (Intel T7250, 2GB, 128MB ATI x1350 running Vista) I play with classic graphics on 1440x900. Premium is too much for the graphics card.
Beven	Posted - 2008.01.03 12:53:00 - [35] Edited by: Beven on 03/01/2008 12:54:11 I have a 5000+ dual core, 2 gig ddr2 800 ram and gForce 8600GT 256meg. I also run Eve on Linux, Fedora 8. I haven't had any problems so far and it looks and runs great. And I run the Premium edition of EVE.
Rejecta	Posted - 2008.01.03 13:22:00 - [36] Edited by: Rejecta on 03/01/2008 13:22:14 Core 2 Duo E6600 @ 3GHZ GF8800GT 512MB Superclocked(700MHZ core) 2GIG Low Lat OCZ 6400 DDR2 Run max settings 1680 x 1050 8x AA Getting 130fps in station and 100-160fps in space depending on the amount of ships etc.
Theron Gyrow Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.01.04 08:08:00 - [37] Thanks. -- Gradient forum
Rimac	Posted - 2008.01.04 10:02:00 - [38] Edited by: Rimac on 04/01/2008 10:02:49 Definitely get NVIDIA, not ATI. ATI hardware is pretty good but ATI drivers are crap. There are custom-built drivers out there that are an improvement but they still give problems. And while it is true that some people do not experience any problems, that is more due to luck and a coincidental good driver combination than any success on the part of ATI. /start rant I've had to fix so many driver problems for ATI cards (not just for me but pretty much everyone I know who got an ATI) that it's just not funny anymore. You get it to work for two or three games and then the next game has an issue that makes you adjust settings manually, switch driver versions/types/whatever. And it often costs lots of time to figure out what's wrong now... This in contrast with the NVidia drivers which, in general, you just install and everything works fine. I've bought three ATI cards over the past 3 years and each time it was the same crap. And no it wasn't the hardware, on the last one my supplier exchanged the hardware and tried it himself. Still the same troubles. I didn't even bother trying to sell that last card (worth 200$), I simply threw it in the trash because I didn't want to put anyone through that misery. In short, if you constantly want to fiddle around and tweak stuff and frustrate yourself to death, get ATI. If you just want something that works, get NVidia. /end rant
Antiquus Altercor Minmatar Phoenix Propulsion Labs Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2008.01.04 10:55:00 - [39] Edited by: Antiquus Altercor on 04/01/2008 11:02:22 If you clean all your graphics drivers before you switch cards, ATI is fine. If you install one or the other card drivers over top of each other, you may have problems. Not surprisingly, neither company checks that their drivers interfere with the other company's. I've used both company's cards for years, and ATI is fine. What's NOT fine is to buy an expensive card with a one-year warranty and have it crap out after 15 months. People are not upgrading video as quickly as they once were due to expense and gaming companies, including CCP, know better than to put a game out that has huge video requirements - too many potential customers just can't run the game then. CCP's decision to have 2 graphics engines supported is unique, I've never seen another company do that. Of the ATI card vendors, only Asus and Gigabyte have a 3 year warranty. For Nvidia cards XFX, BFG, Evga have lifetime warranties, and Asus, Gigabyte have the same 3 year warranties. 3 years is plenty for a graphics card, however you may hand your card down to other people as I do and want the card covered. Companies who offer good warranties build better products because it costs them not to, it's that simple. But to buy a card with a good warranty, I expect to pay a little more. I've been running a 8600GT for 8 months as a stopgap, because I knew graphics cards would get very interesting right about now. It struggles when I dual screen, but keeps up OK with medium high settings on the new Eve engine. The new ATI 3850/3870 is a very solid card, and runs cool and quiet. I built a workstation using a new (G92 - that's the one you want) 8800GTS 512mb XFX card, and graphics just rock, but the constant low whine bothers me. And man that card is warm. But man does it haul butt. Frankly I'm waiting until the 3870 X2 - crossfire-on-one-card shows up at the end of this month. Then I'll decide.
Gealbhan Caldari The SAS The Kano Organisation	Posted - 2008.01.04 11:04:00 - [40] Funny thing is, the games I play and on this computer... the ATI Radeon 9000(64mb) out does the Nvidia GeForce 6600 (128mb) I seem to get nothing but graphics foul ups and problems with the Nvidia. The only thing the Radeon won't run is the Trinity graphics, I'm stuck with classic but I don't care, I can still get my Eve-o fix so all is good. My short experience with Nvidia was a disappointment to be sure. Granted I got a custom driver for the Radeon installed, not the boxed one. "Concentrate all your fire on one target, when it is destroyed, move on to the next. That is how you secure victory". - Tactica Imperium.
Bimjo Caldari SKULLDOGS	Posted - 2008.01.04 11:14:00 - [41] 4 XFX Nvidia graphics cards here,in 2 PCs , and all working excellently. I buy nothing but XFX ======================== Q6600,8800 Ultra SLI, Vista 32, 4Gig RAM , G15 , TripleHead2Go, Raptor X
Xanthese	Posted - 2008.01.04 11:18:00 - [42] Yeah same here - 3 pc's all ATI - just bought 1650 for ú46 GBP inc shipping will do me until new pc later in year (much later) then we hand pc,s down to each other (me and 3 sons) so I've always got the best and newest

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