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MTO Lucifer
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Posted - 2004.03.19 00:16:00 -
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I was just wondering if CA or C4 are really pirates or if it is just smack talk from their enemies?
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TGIF
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Posted - 2004.03.19 00:18:00 -
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What do you think that the enemies will tell you?
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Toulak
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Posted - 2004.03.19 00:18:00 -
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Everybodies a pirate.
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Lord Drax
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Posted - 2004.03.19 00:20:00 -
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I can tell you that the C4 alliance is definately anti pirate.
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Macumba
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Posted - 2004.03.19 00:25:00 -
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If you fire on anything other than NPCs you're a pirate.
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2004.03.19 00:29:00 -
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Well they are fighting m0o, who are clearly pirates, so you would think that would make them anti pirate. But they are also fighting evolution, who is allied with m0o. Evolution is not supposed to be pirates, but they are allied with pirates...
And C4 is fighting SA, which is also not supposed to be pirate, but tell that to all the innocent pilots they have killed in stain/curse/catch. However C4 is allied with CA, which has as a member, FE, which was definitely a pirate alliance before they joined CA. And there are members of CA that are definitely engaged in pirating as per some other posts in this section.
But I don't think there is any point in figuring out who is a pirate and who is not a pirate. The only question you have to ask is, will they shoot at me?
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Einheriar Ulrich
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Posted - 2004.03.19 00:37:00 -
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If you fire on anything other than NPCs you're a pirate.
Or at least that's what the EVE community tells you.
Then i have been a pirate since day one, 
Nah im just ebil, and mac are yoou settling by the dark lord, you know, he promised us to give us a titan hehe
So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar.
****Minion Of VOTF****
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Tandar
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Posted - 2004.03.19 01:05:00 -
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If you read C4s info thread, you will notice they don't care if there members are pirates/anti pirates, good or evil. but they will fight anybody that is in the way of them claiming an area of 0.0 space.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.03.19 01:16:00 -
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I was just wondering if CA or C4 are really pirates or if it is just smack talk from their enemies?
Answer is here.
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Arkaine
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Posted - 2004.03.19 03:06:00 -
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If this thread is a joke, it's not funny.
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HavokTBP
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Posted - 2004.03.19 04:29:00 -
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Well they are fighting m0o, who are clearly pirates, so you would think that would make them anti pirate. But they are also fighting evolution, who is allied with m0o. Evolution is not supposed to be pirates, but they are allied with pirates...
And C4 is fighting SA, which is also not supposed to be pirate, but tell that to all the innocent pilots they have killed in stain/curse/catch. However C4 is allied with CA, which has as a member, FE, which was definitely a pirate alliance before they joined CA. And there are members of CA that are definitely engaged in pirating as per some other posts in this section.
But I don't think there is any point in figuring out who is a pirate and who is not a pirate. The only question you have to ask is, will they shoot at me?
That just made me dizzy.
Member of the Curse Alliance before the Corruption
Leader of The Black Plague.
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2004.03.19 05:22:00 -
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*yawn
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ProphetGuru
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Posted - 2004.03.19 05:37:00 -
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Pirates camp gates and extort ransom.
There are very few pirates left in eve at all. It's a dead profession.
In answer to the question in the topic. are ca/c4 pirates, I would say....... who cares?
Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
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Iznogud
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Posted - 2004.03.19 08:37:00 -
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I dont wear eyepatch i have no wooden legs i dont drink Rum (im into wodka) never sailed them 7th sea so NO IM NOT A PIRATE im just a playa hater that dont like you if you in Curse territory
any other questions ?
and kids when will you stop are CA pirates or not discussion no matter what is said people think what they want so it wount bring us closer to a real answer anyway
Iznogud Horned revenger of Phantom squad
http://www.shinra.com/
Shinra Republic Artillery-round deliver
Izno~
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Jadrut
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Posted - 2004.03.19 09:32:00 -
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anyone for cheese?
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nails
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Posted - 2004.03.19 10:09:00 -
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If I'm a pirate, then I'm a pirate with a way higher security status than you :), and I've probably killed more than you have too.
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Shadowthrone
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Posted - 2004.03.19 10:16:00 -
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anyone for cheese?
Stop spamming the forums with cheese Jad.There is enough here already.
Celes Kill Board
"Show them no mercy, for you will receive none"
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Cyrus Bishop
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Posted - 2004.03.19 10:40:00 -
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The Curse Alliance has killed the pirate proffesion all by itself. Because of all the drama that took place however many months ago, nobody cares anymore.
CA members are letting people know left and right about how hypocritical is that Evolution is attacking them in conjunction with Mo0 when it was things like that which got them in all this trouble to begin with, and they're right. But, nobody really cares about that.
The only thing people really care about is what's theirs. If you come by and blow the crap out of them then grab their loot, they're going to be ****ed. If you come in as a full alliance after a declaration of war and blow the crap out of them and take their loot, they are going to be ****ed and probably call you a pirate.
I just read that article by Morkt for the first time and this really stood out;
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Obviously we have to at this point start leaning toward the realisation that any such alliance, that only falls short of being a nation state or racial empire by lack of unified will, cannot be labelled "pirates" in any true sense of the word.
That's the truth. Alliances, or any group of like minded people, have interests and goals. Those goals may involve the loss of your ship or much more on there way to greater power and ifluence, but that doesn't make them pirates. And, pirates don't calim territory, why would they? Their money is earned through the suffering of others. If Mo0 claimed a region it would be like putting up a big sign over the front door that said, "Abandon hope, all who enter here". It's counter productive.
I'm just glad to see that most people are tired of trying to squeeze blood from that particular stone.
Cheers.
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XirtamVotf
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Posted - 2004.03.19 11:05:00 -
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Edited by: XirtamVotf on 19/03/2004 11:07:07
The only way to really tell if someome is a pirate, is to look for *****er crumbs in the sector and parrot **** ....and oh ya the almighty arrrgg in local chat
hmmm. since when is the word c r a c k e r bad ?
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Saladin
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Posted - 2004.03.19 11:19:00 -
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OK taking bets on when this thread will be locked.
I'll open at 50k isk at page 3
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Sassinak
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Posted - 2004.03.19 13:08:00 -
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Edited by: XirtamVotf on 19/03/2004 11:07:07
The only way to really tell if someome is a pirate, is to look for *****er crumbs in the sector and parrot **** ....and oh ya the almighty arrrgg in local chat
hmmm. since when is the word c r a c k e r bad ?
/me Clears Throat..
HAAAAAAAAARR
How'd I do?
Sass
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Checky
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Posted - 2004.03.19 13:12:00 -
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pirates? CA? no, call them teletubbies
Checky
CEO SSC
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Nirvy
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Posted - 2004.03.19 13:21:00 -
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Edited by: XirtamVotf on 19/03/2004 11:07:07
The only way to really tell if someome is a pirate, is to look for *****er crumbs in the sector and parrot **** ....and oh ya the almighty arrrgg in local chat
hmmm. since when is the word c r a c k e r bad ?
/me Clears Throat..
HAAAAAAAAARR
How'd I do?
Too girly 
Start by getting your character off that top 10 cutest char list that pops up, its really hindering your pirate potential
Mercenary | The Azath |
DB Preacher
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Posted - 2004.03.19 13:38:00 -
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Edited by: DB Preacher on 19/03/2004 13:53:30
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Those goals may involve the loss of your ship or much more on there way to greater power and ifluence, but that doesn't make them pirates.
Your right, but what makes CA pirates is their pirating activities and blatant acceptance within their ranks of pirating corps e.g. m0o/FE/c0w/SIM is somehow deemed OK.
Look at NVA/PA for example, not once has any corp who turned to piracy been allowed to stay within that alliance.
The difference is morales. Some Alliances have them, CA don't.
P.S. for once I think Morkt is speaking rubbish by stating CA are not pirates.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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Walking Contradiction
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Posted - 2004.03.19 13:40:00 -
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Edited by: Walking Contradiction on 19/03/2004 13:40:59
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Your right, but what makes CA pirates is their pirating activities and blatant acceptance within their ranks of pirating corps e.g. m0o/FE/c0w/SIM is somehow deemed OK.
Look at NVA/PA for example, not once has any corp who turned to piracy been allowed to stay within that alliance.
The difference is morales. Some Alliances have them, CA don't.
dbp
2/3 of the CA only know "yes" and "no english" so with every vote atleast 2/3 votes "yes".
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Sassinak
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Posted - 2004.03.19 14:58:00 -
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Edited by: XirtamVotf on 19/03/2004 11:07:07
The only way to really tell if someome is a pirate, is to look for *****er crumbs in the sector and parrot **** ....and oh ya the almighty arrrgg in local chat
hmmm. since when is the word c r a c k e r bad ?
/me Clears Throat..
HAAAAAAAAARR
How'd I do?
Too girly
Start by getting your character off that top 10 cutest char list that pops up, its really hindering your pirate potential
Bah, ahh well...
Back to the Veldspar for me
Sass
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2004.03.19 16:24:00 -
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Edited by: DB Preacher on 19/03/2004 13:53:30
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Those goals may involve the loss of your ship or much more on there way to greater power and ifluence, but that doesn't make them pirates.
Your right, but what makes CA pirates is their pirating activities and blatant acceptance within their ranks of pirating corps e.g. m0o/FE/c0w/SIM is somehow deemed OK.
Look at NVA/PA for example, not once has any corp who turned to piracy been allowed to stay within that alliance.
The difference is morales. Some Alliances have them, CA don't.
P.S. for once I think Morkt is speaking rubbish by stating CA are not pirates.
dbp
Thanks coming from a non entity.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2004.03.19 16:38:00 -
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Thanks coming from a non entity.
No problem.
I have a voice as much as you do, especially since I am an unbiased onlooker and the original poster was asking a fair question.
If you disagree that's your perogative, but don't presume that everyone outside of CA or CA's immediate enemies are non-entity's.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2004.03.19 17:39:00 -
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The thing is YOU came to pirate us. So you were hired, it matters not. Your words are hollow.
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darth solo
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Posted - 2004.03.19 17:44:00 -
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Thanks coming from a non entity.
No problem.
I have a voice as much as you do, especially since I am an unbiased onlooker and the original poster was asking a fair question.
If you disagree that's your perogative, but don't presume that everyone outside of CA or CA's immediate enemies are non-entity's.
dbp
darn, why do u always make so much scense.
reclaimer, get back under that rock.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2004.03.19 17:48:00 -
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Edited by: DB Preacher on 19/03/2004 17:57:21
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The thing is YOU came to pirate us. So you were hired, it matters not. Your words are hollow.
This isn't a thread about Reikoku's position within the galaxy, this is a thread about whether CA or C4 are really pirates or if it is just smack talk from their enemies.
I believe I put forward valid points.
However, please stick to the topic in hand. If you wish to discuss RKK in more depth then by all means start a new thread.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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Heine Shaver
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Posted - 2004.03.19 17:56:00 -
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Is this another post that will draw the noob masses to join CA in the hopes of one day becoming cannon fodder pretending to be pirates?
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2004.03.19 17:57:00 -
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Naw we griefed CA not pirated 
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2004.03.19 19:12:00 -
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Its hard to pin.
There are allot of good peeps in CA, Unfortunately what undermines that is a few bad eggs and the acceptance of rats into there ranks (the old sinister etc ). The deals with rats (i.e. until recently mOo) and now the deal with FE (another rat organisation that's apparently gone legit). Add to this a very aggressive stance towards all that is not CA and an Imperialist streak that creates an entity that you would not want as a neighbour and one that will also draw alot of flak in the forums from peeps that are unfortunate to come accross the wrong side of them.
I personaly felt it was a pity that such a strong alliance felt the need to attack a much much smaller allaince (CFS). That was not a risk to it at all just to give some of its more aggressive peeps something to shoot at and satisfy some of those ex pirate urges. No allaince wants its own troops to get bored (look at mOo).
my 2 cents worth (not a flame just my observation)
Tal
What goes around comes around...
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Wraeththu
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Posted - 2004.03.19 19:30:00 -
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Since the thread is already semi off-topic, anyone else, whenever they heard "CA" think of the Machine Head covor of Ice-T's "Colors"
There's a line in it that's something to the extent of
"The gangs of CA will never die.. just multiply"
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Pogy Bait
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Posted - 2004.03.19 19:59:00 -
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I was just wondering if CA or C4 are really pirates or if it is just smack talk from their enemies?
More importantly, who cares? If you lose a ship to a CA/C4 pilot you'll call us pirates. If you want to post a thread that will make at least 2 pages, you'll mention CA and Pirates.
PS. ARGH ME MATEYS! CRY ARGH! AND LET SLIP THE PARROTS OF WAR! |
WrathchildeVOTF
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Posted - 2004.03.19 22:18:00 -
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I personaly felt it was a pity that such a strong alliance felt the need to attack a much much smaller allaince (CFS).
Not quite true.....
CFS instigated that conflict, and CA finalized it. This is not said because I am a CA member, but because I lived through the entire incident.
No treaty or NAP is valid when the text is changed by one side after an agreement is made.
On topic: I can honestly say that no member of VoTF has engaged in piracy. We have defended our claims, assisted our allies, and participated in Alliance military operations against rivals, but never gate-camped Obe, Yulai, Orvolle...etc.
However, the rumors will persist, and anyone that comes to our core systems without reaching an agreement with our Council beforehand will be prosecuted with extreme prejudice.
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fuze
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Posted - 2004.03.19 23:02:00 -
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In Morkt Drak's article he stated that CA had pirates in their midst and didn't stop them. Those people might have bettered their lives but not all after we witnessed several campaigns of CA members engaging innocent people not in their territories (eg camping in Empire space). As well did they cooperate with pirate corps.
Morkt Drak's view might differ from mine.
They may not be outspoken pirates. But they do not dissapprove piracy either. They even used it for strategic purposes in wars. But other allianced did about the same.
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Baun
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Posted - 2004.03.19 23:51:00 -
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Edited by: Baun on 20/03/2004 00:23:27
Shinra and RUS have been camping a2, killing anyone they can, (just like ATUK, m0o, Roughnecks, Burn Eden ... etc ... etc do). Admittedly, however, the RUS camping may have only been a live "test" of their mobile warp disruptors.
Given, that is CFS space, but they arent just killing CFS pilots and are therefore acting as pirates, which is not something you would likely see FA, SA, CFS or XiF do.
I do not believe that this neccesarily makes CA as a whole piratical, but it certainly makes them ambiguous at best.
The distinction is not as meaningless as some may have you believe, but it is true that pirate or not anyone might shoot you in 0.0 and its simply their choice whether or not they do so and that as such one must be weary of anyone who is not affirmatively your ally.
The Enemy's Gate is Down
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2004.03.20 00:27:00 -
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Edited by: Talon SilverHawk on 20/03/2004 00:29:00
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I personaly felt it was a pity that such a strong alliance felt the need to attack a much much smaller allaince (CFS).
Not quite true.....
CFS instigated that conflict, and CA finalized it. This is not said because I am a CA member, but because I lived through the entire incident.
No treaty or NAP is valid when the text is changed by one side after an agreement is made.
On topic: I can honestly say that no member of VoTF has engaged in piracy. We have defended our claims, assisted our allies, and participated in Alliance military operations against rivals, but never gate-camped Obe, Yulai, Orvolle...etc.
However, the rumors will persist, and anyone that comes to our core systems without reaching an agreement with our Council beforehand will be prosecuted with extreme prejudice.
We will have to agree to disagree I was also there and from the CFS membership and Exec point of view it was seen as unprovoked. CFS did not change any part of the treaty or NAP, Anyway its history now and no point dredging it all up.
Tal
What goes around comes around...
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Skillz
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Posted - 2004.03.20 00:53:00 -
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If they sing 'A pirate's life is for me' and drink rum, they are pirates.
If they sing 'In the Navy' and drink milk, they are .....
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Nirvy
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Posted - 2004.03.20 00:58:00 -
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Edited by: Nirvy on 20/03/2004 01:00:29
Yes we have a bad reputation, yes we encourage that reputation, yes it makes sure we always have active wars so not to die of boredom.
Being labelled "Evil" makes Curse the most interesting alliance to live in currently.
Most n00bs are scared of us and so stay in empire, whilst that leaves the real PvP's to come to curse and give us all a laugh and a good time.
We dont care less what you call us, so long as we still inspire enough hate in you all to come to our home and provide PvP on our doorstep. If i had my way CA would be purely PvP Corps and we would gank anyone that messed with us.
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HavokTBP
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Posted - 2004.03.20 05:08:00 -
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Well you gotta think of it this way too, concord kills anyone with low sec rating, "pirates". if were a so called pirate alliance why shouldn't we kill anyone in our space? Oh wait Were an empire so its different rules. It's not pirating, it's securing.
Member of the Curse Alliance before the Corruption
Leader of The Black Plague.
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Cyrus Bishop
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Posted - 2004.03.20 05:20:00 -
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Look at NVA/PA for example, not once has any corp who turned to piracy been allowed to stay within that alliance.
What exactly constitutes being "turned to piracy"? Is that having been involved in once instance of piracy or switching over to it as a lifestyle? Just curious.
Anyway, I feel that most people look at alliances the wrong way, and that is lke one big corporation which moves and thinks as a single unit. That's not the case. I see alliances almost like little cities or countries. Just about everyone in the area wants whats best for the group and tries to achieve that, but you also have your low-lifes and miscriants, in Eve's case pirates.
But like Morkt said, I don't think that any group that has ambitions and goals and who work towards those goals can really be called pirates, so long as piracy isn't the objective.
"Always forgive your enemies--nothing annoys them so much." |
NGRU Rix
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Posted - 2004.03.20 05:34:00 -
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Piracy was how people got their Combat PvP when the game first started. Now, most of them just fight in 0.0 space, sure some still pirate in empire, but not like they used to.
It's all totally subjective anyway.
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Jakal
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Posted - 2004.03.20 09:59:00 -
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Piracy takes place in empire space. In 0.0 space might makes right. Now suck my pegleg. YARRR!!!!
-Adapt and Overcome.
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Valorian
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Posted - 2004.03.20 13:51:00 -
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Skillz, the Navy drink rum too, not much else to do with a rum ration.
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Draconis
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Posted - 2004.03.21 01:35:00 -
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Yar, tis boothand the merciless!
Really, CA as an Alliance is not a pirate organization. We are corporations allied together to hold certain areas of non-controlled space for our own. Militant realistate venturers perhaps.
We have pirate corps in our midst, and we do kill anyone in our space. But because one corporation endulges in piracy, doesn't mean the corporation in Curse building ships is a pirate corp.
We moved into Curse and claimed it as our own, like an Empire would if the NPC's played aggressively and offensively. So no CA aren't pirates, but we do house Criminal organizations without hezitation.
The Curse Alliance protects it's assets and space, while fighting wars against our enemies. That doesn't make us pirates, but if everyone feels we're pirates for our actions, I'm going to buy a parrot, an old crusty hat and get me some Minmatar Wenches to row my boat.
If you can't handle the crap, get off the ****-deck and return to empire where the Veld and stuffed animals are plenty.
Jakob Remierat
Oblivion Amalgamated
Public Relations Nightmare
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