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NaturalBeast
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
22
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Posted - 2012.02.09 01:53:00 -
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MeestaPenni wrote:Doc Fury wrote:
RMT is difficult to PROVE,
I can't buy into that idea...(see what I did there?). Someone is marketing huge amounts of ISK on various Internet sites; that part is incontrovertible. This game is all about the database. And given that the RMT market for ISK works in specific amounts....tracking the movement of said amounts of ISK should not be that difficult. Time consuming? Labor intensive? Yep.........more than likely a manpower issue.
The simple solution to all this speculation bullshit is for CCP to hire an Ombudsman and investigate these claims and others like them. And that will never happen. CCP would be crazy to look under the sofa. They ain't gonna like what they find.
Frankly I love this drama. Makes you think these guys in 0.0 are really organized and make a tonne of RL cash farming 0.0. But we all know thats total bullshit, amirite?
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Aggressive Nutmeg
111
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Posted - 2012.02.09 02:04:00 -
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"My character isn't very good at obeying others. So, after three (3) months I quit the job..."
He's talking about himself in real life. Is he playing a character at work? Sounds like he's talking about roleplaying in a game.
I'm surprised he didn't comment that the graphics weren't very good at work.
A big alliance leader who can't get his act together in real life? I nearly died of not surprise. 
Never make eye contact with someone while eating a banana. |
Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
491
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Posted - 2012.02.09 02:14:00 -
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mechtech wrote:Anyone involved in RMT (selling or buying) should be permabanned without a second chance.
I agree with this if you include everyone who ever bought or used a PLEX
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |
Jas Dor
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
47
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Posted - 2012.02.09 02:15:00 -
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I am not sure I trust a translated transcript of a voice chat. That said I would like to remind CCP of two things:\
1. US anti-online gambling laws clearly say that while money in is OK (microtransactions) money out is not. The US government can and has had credit card companies and paypal refuse to make payments to offshore casinos.
2. Every time there is a cash out in EvE it opens up question about the taxation of virtual assets. Allowing RMT places all players in danger of RL tax consequences for playing EvE.
It might be better if CCP simply altered its terms of service to allow alliances to incorporate as non-profits and pay their leadership. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
455
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Posted - 2012.02.09 02:25:00 -
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Ejit wrote:Just Lilly wrote:Pictures of the car he invested in from RMT please, I want to see that ride! License plate on the car saying "RMT KING" ?, Caldari State plates?  Would take 20 years to pay off his awesome Russian motor Or 6 months of RMT!
That's not Russian.
Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers. US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join us. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. |
Digital Messiah
Heroic Era
132
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Posted - 2012.02.09 02:38:00 -
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I wanna see CCP!
Also in a side note, I think RMT is bad mmk... But it is obvious ccp won't go public with any punishments so.... yeah
"Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn"
Enter a Heroic Era Today |
Jack Tronic
borkedLabs
40
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Posted - 2012.02.09 02:55:00 -
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Quote:
Later what happened was that the ISK exchange rate fell, i.e. the lower the exchange rate, the more ISK I needed. Eventually in January I took 60kkk (60 BILLION) from the alliance wallet. I believe that if i hadn't done that, then RA financial situation right now would have been slightly better.
Confirming I have more isk in my wallet than RA. |
Marlona Sky
EntroPrelatial Vanguard
EntroPraetorian Aegis
422
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Posted - 2012.02.09 03:05:00 -
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Why are people surprised by all the RMT in this game? There is even a CSM member to make sure no game mechanic changes happen that might threaten RMT in this game.
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RUSROG
Beasts of Burden
106
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Posted - 2012.02.09 03:12:00 -
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I feel for Doger...
RL > EVE
Yet, again he is not leaving in a fiasco, and is being honest - no matter what the situation.
Udachi tebye brat, shtob vse bilo horosho.
-áE .-+ ` ' /-+. F
Your tears fuel me.
And as always, have nice day. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1208
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Posted - 2012.02.09 04:52:00 -
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Seatox wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Valei Khurelem wrote:This is why I say you legalise bots so that everyone is on the same playing field, the tasks in EVE for ISK making are largely autonomous and boring, this would also eliminate the need to pay for ISK since why would people pay for something virtual that they no longer have to do any work for?
It's supply and demand folks, get over it, the game design is at fault here and people are simply choosing to ignore this fact.
p.s. Quitting to pursue a passion that will lead you to a career which you can enjoy far more and make money at the same time I can completely understand, but ditching a job in order to pursue a bloody video game is the most stupid thing I've ever heard I recall one of the earliest multiplayer games were all about using a bot of sorts - basically you used a robot to work some resources, and then battled in markets over that resource. I don't remember the name. It would be cool to be able to select deep space points and put autonomous drones there to mine and whatever else, but also fun if anybody could destroy them, or NPCs were also out to destroy them. Destruction of autonomous drones being allowed everywhere would make for some interesting game. Not that we could expect that here, but I can imagine an MMO where autonomy in bots, agents, henchmen, etc (whatever the style permits) being built in from the start could have a challenge on its own. Just saying but not much because that's another topic entirely. M.U.L.E.
Yep, that's the one. |
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Ascendic
Macabre Votum
Against ALL Authorities
43
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Posted - 2012.02.09 05:50:00 -
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Funny how during the fall of NC PL stated their reasons for helping were because 'NC leaders RMT all their isk away'
Now they are the lap dogs of the RMT empire.
Irony much? |
WuMaTih
League of Gentlemen
Controlled Chaos
7
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Posted - 2012.02.09 15:05:00 -
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you do know what CCP is involved in RMTing everyday in the form of PLEX right?
You give them $15 they give you plex (500m)
This totals out to be about 150billion isk every week through plexes.
Yes this doesnt ADD money towards the game but it does effect the game.
If your rich you can be rich in eve |
Prince Kobol
185
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Posted - 2012.02.09 15:12:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Why are people surprised by all the RMT in this game? There is even a CSM member to make sure no game mechanic changes happen that might threaten RMT in this game.
Who and how? |
mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
133
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Posted - 2012.02.09 15:37:00 -
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WuMaTih wrote:you do know what CCP is involved in RMTing everyday in the form of PLEX right?
You give them $15 they give you plex (500m)
This totals out to be about 150billion isk every week through plexes.
Yes this doesnt ADD money towards the game but it does effect the game.
You can be a noob and be richer than a 7 year vet with daddys credit card
When you are making real life money from isk things go to an entirely different scale. Very few people will set up bot networks in order to get an extra 20 years of play time on their accounts, but people certainly will if it means thousands of dollars in their bank account. |
Chiggy W
Hard-Luck Industries
21
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Posted - 2012.02.09 15:41:00 -
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WuMaTih wrote:you do know what CCP is involved in RMTing everyday in the form of PLEX right?
You give them $15 they give you plex (500m)
This totals out to be about 150billion isk every week through plexes.
Yes this doesnt ADD money towards the game but it does effect the game.
You can be a noob and be richer than a 7 year vet with daddys credit card
Huge difference between RMT through PLEX tho. RMT through plex goes into CCP's coffers, which in turn they use to "improve" Eve, while RMT along the lines of Dodger's goes towards paying for a car he can't afford.
A huge, and obvious difference if you ask me. I would rather my money go to CCP where there is a good chance the money gets plowed back into Eve, than some dude who makes poor finacial descisions, can't handle work, and is part of the cancer that could kill Eve. |
Caldari Citizen20110707
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.09 17:10:00 -
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funny.... how to crash rtm alliances as white noise; red alliance & drone ruskies : take away their easy income and their leaders run with their pockets full of isk..... makes me wonder when xxxdeathxx will fail cascade... |
Caldari Citizen20110707
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.09 17:13:00 -
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Ascendic wrote:Funny how during the fall of NC PL stated their reasons for helping were because 'NC leaders RMT all their isk away'
Now they are the lap dogs of the RMT empire.
Irony much?
what do you think they are doing with their isk? .... the old bob was also full of rtm lods with bots all over eve. what do you think pl is doing with all their isk?? |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
455
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Posted - 2012.02.09 17:15:00 -
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Caldari Citizen20110707 wrote:Ascendic wrote:Funny how during the fall of NC PL stated their reasons for helping were because 'NC leaders RMT all their isk away'
Now they are the lap dogs of the RMT empire.
Irony much? what do you think they are doing with their isk? .... the old bob was also full of rtm lods with bots all over eve. what do you think pl is doing with all their isk??
Supers?
Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers. US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join us. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. |
Chiggy W
Hard-Luck Industries
21
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Posted - 2012.02.09 17:18:00 -
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Caldari Citizen20110707 wrote:funny.... how to crash rtm alliances as white noise; red alliance & drone ruskies : take away their easy income and their leaders run with their pockets full of isk..... makes me wonder when xxxdeathxx will fail cascade...
XXXdeathXXX will never cascade as such, not while the leadership continues to make money. The names might change, but the same players will remain.
Now I am not accusing PL of RMT, or taking RL bribes, but the fact that is UAxDEATH has hired the best guard dogs in game to protect his empire. How the PL leadership or member base can stomach taking tainted ISK and protecting these people is beyond me, but with PL at his beck and call, his empire will not fall. 
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arcca jeth
Dark Alliance
Dark Empire Alliance
66
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Posted - 2012.02.09 17:27:00 -
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Gogela wrote:Doc Fury wrote:/Sits back with popcorn and a tasty beverage. Mr Kidd wrote:/me waits for the lack of CCP response and grabs some of Fury's popcorn. /slurping a crystal pepsi waiting and watching...
where the F did you get crystal Pepsi?! hope you brought enough for everybody!!! |
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Borun Tal
Cubicle Warriors from 'merica
43
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Posted - 2012.02.09 17:36:00 -
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CCP will investigate per their numerous dev posts, promises, and such.
And do nothing.
Learn to game the system and have more (free) fun in Eve Online. |
Vallek Arkonnis
Viziam
Amarr Empire
98
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Posted - 2012.02.09 18:53:00 -
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Minabunny wrote:So he had some monetary problems and his mother was ill. If he used a game to increase his income to help his mother good on him. Family before pixels.
Are you serious? A real job was too much for him so he quits and decides to play a video game to support his ill mother... Oh, and don't forget the bit about liking the power and can't take someone else telling him what to do. In eve he's a somebody, IRL he's a nobody. We know which he chose.
Sorry mom. |
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance
Dark Empire Alliance
66
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Posted - 2012.02.09 19:04:00 -
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Aggressive Nutmeg wrote:"My character isn't very good at obeying others. So, after three (3) months I quit the job..."He's talking about himself in real life. Is he playing a character at work? Sounds like he's talking about roleplaying in a game. I'm surprised he didn't comment that the graphics weren't very good at work. A big alliance leader who can't get his act together in real life? I nearly died of not surprise.
some of the russian translations can come out with a different perceived meaning in english because of the use of the words.
in this case "character" in russian vz english is probably referring that his personality doesnt respond well when being ordered around in a RL work environment. you know, cause is is leet leader and all
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arcca jeth
Dark Alliance
Dark Empire Alliance
66
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Posted - 2012.02.09 19:05:00 -
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Krios Ahzek wrote:mechtech wrote:Anyone involved in RMT (selling or buying) should be permabanned without a second chance. I agree with this if you include everyone who ever bought or used a PLEX
oh get over it. PLEX for CCP profit is good support for the game. ISK for RL cash that doesn't support CCP/EVE is NOT the same thing. get realz now |
Zowie Powers
Hole in the wall
48
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Posted - 2012.02.09 20:43:00 -
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Looks like somebody forgot about CCP's track record on dealing with whistle blowers..... bye bye op. |
Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
169
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Posted - 2012.02.09 21:07:00 -
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What is RMT?
Eve community: An angry mob of bright people hunting witches, more torches, more hay forks, growing and growing. |
Liam Mirren
249
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Posted - 2012.02.09 21:47:00 -
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Seleia O'Sinnor wrote:What is RMT?
Russian Money Temptation.
Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
My guides: http://mirren.freeforums.org |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
395
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Posted - 2012.02.09 22:36:00 -
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adopt wrote:INB4 LOCK
Also what russian alliance doesn't RMT/bot.
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Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
465
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Posted - 2012.02.09 23:23:00 -
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CCP's response:
In Soviet Russia, our logs they show nothing. |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues
EVE Rogues Alliance
116
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Posted - 2012.02.10 02:15:00 -
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I don't know.. maybe you should try living there before you judge him for doing what he did. The fact that it harms the game economy when it is done through botting, and enables various playstyles that wouldn't normally be available is relevent, but only so much.
Yes, it is against the ToS, ULA, and so on, but he is honestly explaining himself and doesn't seem to take any pride in what he has done. He's rationalized it, accepted it, and is perfectly willing to accept a ban if it comes to that. He didn't want to play anymore anyway.
The fact that he took the Alliances ISK is rather interesting, and who knows how all that worked out, but also sort of irrelevent.
Fact is, CCP will either ban him or not, depending on what they make of this, and we'll maybe never know. What I do know, is that despite seemingly being defensive towards the end of that conversation, he was mostly apologetic in tone. Basically, what I got, (if that translation is entirely accurate), is a truthful confession and apologetic tones.
I have a friend I work with who grew up in Bosnia, and lost his father and Uncle during the war to prison camps. They only recently found and identified his Uncle, and even more recently his father. He actually worked for the UN during that period and told me about a lot of stuff that happened there.
It's not far from Russia, and close enough that I recognize some of the words from hearing him talk on the phone with his kids and family. Russia has seen much of the same over the years, and things aren't much better there now, than they were years ago. Living here it's easy to misunderstand that.
In the end, EVE is just a game, and I understand that some might see it as a way to help them in their personal lives given specific circumstances. That doesn't mean I like RMT, or that I wouldn't judge someone who used it for nothing more than personal flash. It's just harder to think poorly of someone that uses it for other reasons.
It does **** me off that Americans do it.
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