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Marcus Harikari
Room Is Empty Enemy-Fleet
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Posted - 2012.02.10 02:19:00 -
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Jas Dor wrote:I am not sure I trust a translated transcript of a voice chat. That said I would like to remind CCP of two things:\
1. US anti-online gambling laws clearly say that while money in is OK (microtransactions) money out is not. The US government can and has had credit card companies and paypal refuse to make payments to offshore casinos.
2. Every time there is a cash out in EvE it opens up question about the taxation of virtual assets. Allowing RMT places all players in danger of RL tax consequences for playing EvE.
It might be better if CCP simply altered its terms of service to allow alliances to incorporate as non-profits and pay their leadership. EVE isn't gambling. It's skill-based. |
Ajita al Tchar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
37
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Posted - 2012.02.10 02:45:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:I don't know.. maybe you should try living there before you judge him for doing what he did. The fact that it harms the game economy when it is done through botting, and enables various playstyles that wouldn't normally be available is relevent, but only so much.
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I have a friend I work with who grew up in Bosnia, and lost his father and Uncle during the war to prison camps. They only recently found and identified his Uncle, and even more recently his father. He actually worked for the UN during that period and told me about a lot of stuff that happened there.
It's not far from Russia, and close enough that I recognize some of the words from hearing him talk on the phone with his kids and family. Russia has seen much of the same over the years, and things aren't much better there now, than they were years ago. Living here it's easy to misunderstand that.
In the end, EVE is just a game, and I understand that some might see it as a way to help them in their personal lives given specific circumstances. That doesn't mean I like RMT, or that I wouldn't judge someone who used it for nothing more than personal flash. It's just harder to think poorly of someone that uses it for other reasons.
It does **** me off that Americans do it.
What the ****, Bosnia's past is nothing like Russia's present, and shared linguistic traits have nothing to do with it besides. I take it you live in Russia, but you apparently have a victim complex. Don't paint all Russians with the same shitbrush and justify *some* people's regrettable behavior by saying "But life is haaaaaaaard baaaaw!" Hmmm, I wonder how all the Russians that aren't playing EVE managing to survive. They must be a lie.
Fact: life in Russia currently is nothing like what went on in the Balkans (putting aside contested republics which are a minority and geographically limited to one region). Yes, a lot of people in Russia are under much greater financial strain than, say, in the US despite the meh economy in the states right now, yes, jobs can be hard, yes, a lot of people live in tiny apartments, don't have a car because it's just not worth the expense, etc. But OH HEY. The lol-RMTer had a job (that he didn't like, lolololol, welcome to the world of grown-ups?), bought a car he couldn't afford, etc. A sick mother isn't the only thing in this story. The guy seems to have issues and might benefit from professional psychiatric help. Don't blame Russia for that. It sure does sound like an excuse rather than a reason, and you sound like an RMT apologist that likes to see victims everywhere.
(Hello, I'm Russian and I don't RMT) |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
568
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Posted - 2012.02.10 03:25:00 -
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I can see where your getting at.
However, I would only feel any sort of anything for the dude if he went all the way and turned in every one of his partners in "crime".
Though that would be a great in game headline. "RMT ring caught, 70 accounts banned." |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1213
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Posted - 2012.02.10 05:40:00 -
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Holy freaking cow. |
Mnengli Noiliffe
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2012.02.10 08:20:00 -
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there is already RMT in this game, fully official PLEX deal.
what he did is basically stealing money from CCP. the people who buy ISK other than from official CCP site via PLEX are giving the money they would otherwise give to CCP to some other people.
other than that, it makes no difference for the game. |
JustScout
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.10 11:07:00 -
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Any updates from CCP or RMT is already is legal???
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Chiggy W
Hard-Luck Industries
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Posted - 2012.02.10 12:06:00 -
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JustScout wrote:Any updates from CCP or RMT is already is legal???
I doubt CCP will acknowledge this thread, let alone take any sort of action. RMT is NOT legal, it's against the TOS and EULA, however it seems to most people that CCP have very little interest in actively hunting and banning/punishing those involved in this.
It's certainly a problem, as botting/RMT seems to be becoming more widespread ingame, partly I'm sure due to lack of perceived action from CCP. As long as CCP continues to stay quiet on the subject of botting and RMT, the problem will continue to spread. Just look at the amount of "players" in Jita spamming the same scam contract every 2-30 seconds 23/7. Stuff like this should be easy to spot and act against, but I really don't think CCP has the will to fight.
They really need to start posting further evidence of the fight, not just "everything is cool, we've got it under control" because it's obvious to almost anyone who spends time in Jita, 0.0 or icebelts that it isn't . |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
15
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Posted - 2012.02.10 12:15:00 -
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Chiggy W wrote:JustScout wrote:Any updates from CCP or RMT is already is legal???
I doubt CCP will acknowledge this thread, let alone take any sort of action. RMT is NOT legal, it's against the TOS and EULA, however it seems to most people that CCP have very little interest in actively hunting and banning/punishing those involved in this.
A self confessed RMTer might be a different story. But you are right CCP won't tell us their actions.
There is no excuse for RMTing, it should carry a lifetime ban on all accounts owned by the RMTer if they're caught. |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
392
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Posted - 2012.02.10 13:25:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:I don't know... it is against the ToS, ULA...but he is honestly explaining himself and doesn't seem to take any pride in what he has done. He's rationalized it, accepted it, and is perfectly willing to accept a ban if it comes to that. It does **** me off that Americans do it.
So what I'm getting from your post is so long as the perpetrator is apologetic, remorseful, has sick family members and does not live in the US, then RMT perfectly acceptable?
RIght.
Personally, I really don't care about RMT. I don't. I think CCP should capitalize on it and I think they do. I also believe they are hypocrites and deny the rest of us what could be fair game play because we want to follow the "rules" and be good customers. I believe that what we have is a group of people who RMT with CCP's blessings perhaps getting a cut of the profit or perhaps friends of CCP C-level employees who get the blind eye.
About SD, 1) you don't know if he even has a mother. You're gullible! 2) I can guarantee you he is not remorseful if he is or has done it and gotten away with it. 3) If he is stating this now and "doesn't care" it's only because he is/was making buttloads of RL money and has moved onto bigger better things.
We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Mnengli Noiliffe
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2012.02.10 14:49:00 -
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Sasha Azala wrote: There is no excuse for RMTing, it should carry a lifetime ban on all accounts owned by the RMTer if they're caught.
so everyone who ever bought a PLEX in CCP store and then sold it for ISK should be banned? i bet it's quite easy to catch lots of them too. |
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Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
16
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Posted - 2012.02.10 15:01:00 -
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Mnengli Noiliffe wrote:Sasha Azala wrote: There is no excuse for RMTing, it should carry a lifetime ban on all accounts owned by the RMTer if they're caught.
so everyone who ever bought a PLEX in CCP store and then sold it for ISK should be banned? i bet it's quite easy to catch lots of them too.
No because the people that are buying the PLEX from CCP are not making a profit from the game, CCP make the profit as it should be, it's their game. |
David Grogan
The Motley Crew Reborn
300
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Posted - 2012.02.10 15:06:00 -
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longs for the day PL will grow a pair and oust their russian rmt overlords....
hell they could even rent out the dronelands themselves and make silent dodger have to sell his car. Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless you are from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs. |
Mnengli Noiliffe
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2012.02.10 15:21:00 -
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Sasha Azala wrote:Mnengli Noiliffe wrote:Sasha Azala wrote: There is no excuse for RMTing, it should carry a lifetime ban on all accounts owned by the RMTer if they're caught.
so everyone who ever bought a PLEX in CCP store and then sold it for ISK should be banned? i bet it's quite easy to catch lots of them too. No because the people that are buying the PLEX from CCP are not making a profit from the game, CCP make the profit as it should be, it's their game. sure but it's still RMT, although a legit one.
I think there should be different term for that, like "Illegal RMT" instead of just RMT, or something. |
Citizen Smif
Comply Or Die
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Posted - 2012.02.10 16:57:00 -
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Yawn.. Good for him I say.. Who here wouldn't do the same as him if you were in a financial trouble? I sure as hell would.
He should be banned but tbh I'm pretty sure he expects that so it doesn't matter. **** happens guys, I hope you all realise that his IRL existence is much more important than our "fragile" EVE-economy.. lawl. |
Sloppy Podfarts
Hedion University Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2012.02.10 19:29:00 -
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Nub Sauce wrote:So he quit his job and decided it would be better to violate the ToS and assist in ruining the economy of a game that most of us enjoy. Because he couldn't handle working a job where's he's a worker bee that needs to take orders..
Seriously...Eff this dirtbag and his mom. |
Ashera Yune
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2012.02.11 02:45:00 -
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We should all hope and pray his mother dies, and then we can laugh about it to his face.
Anyone have a picture of his mother? I would like to put my photoshop to the test. |
Chiggy W
Hard-Luck Industries
26
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Posted - 2012.02.11 03:57:00 -
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Ashera Yune wrote:
Anyone have a picture of his mother?
Rigth here |
Joost Merc
Obsessive Compulsive Disasters
6
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Posted - 2012.02.12 11:35:00 -
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back to the top. RMT needs highlighting |
JustScout
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.12 17:55:00 -
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Unbelievable Still no action from CCP...
Well......... RMT! RMT! RMT! RMT!
update.
CCP should create RMT shop... like in Diablo 3... I wana sell my ISK |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
51
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Posted - 2012.02.12 18:30:00 -
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I for one welcome our oldish new RMT overlords.
Also hi CCP. |
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EnslaverOfMinmatar
BRAPELILLE MACRO BOT MINERS
13
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Posted - 2012.02.12 19:35:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Nothing new here, but now I realize that when you AFK Cloak in 0.0 making their bots dock up, and they rage in local like you are killing somebody's mother, you might actually be killing somebody's mother.
LMAO ZEDONG Every EVE player must read this http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=29-01-07 or uninstall and DIAF |
JustScout
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.13 10:48:00 -
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back to the top |
Orny
Ganio Bro
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Posted - 2012.02.13 12:20:00 -
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Are any DEV's here? |
Twisted Girl
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
13
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Posted - 2012.02.13 12:27:00 -
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welcome to 0.0.
Tho most people isnt directly involved I bet around 50% of the members of any 0.0 corperation knowns someone/is indirectly helping some. Ive jet to come across ANY major alliance/block that doesnt rmt to some extend.
Tho it doesnt mean that I support it, its like like drugs/prostitution IRL, its is there to stay even if you dont like it. |
Twisted Girl
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
13
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Posted - 2012.02.13 12:30:00 -
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David Grogan wrote:longs for the day PL will grow a pair and oust their russian rmt overlords....
hell they could even rent out the dronelands themselves and make silent dodger have to sell his car. I dont think either side is more innocent that the other so , it really doesnt matter who you kick out, just saying. also most of the botters would simply swap to the winning side regardless. |
Hroya
14
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Posted - 2012.02.13 12:31:00 -
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Twisted Girl wrote:welcome to 0.0.
Tho most people isnt directly involved I bet around 50% of the members of any 0.0 corperation knowns someone/is indirectly helping some. Ive jet to come across ANY major alliance/block that doesnt rmt to some extend.
Tho it doesnt mean that I support it, its like like drugs/prostitution IRL, its is there to stay even if you dont like it.
Yet unlike Rl referrences, this enviroment we have here can be contained. But then again, effort and profit, right ? |
Isotoxin13
PEAJIbHbIE KA6AHbI
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Posted - 2012.02.14 16:30:00 -
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Where is any CCP reply? RMT is not popular in this season? |
Sade Onyx
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.02.14 16:54:00 -
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of course CCP RMT. They trade their product for real money. lol
As for the OP. Cool story. If true then well done to that man for admitting it, but he'd only admit it if he never intended to play again, so why not?
Essentially this story just shows up CCP's security team for their inability to be... well... secure. Although I'm sure they would "respectfully disagree" |
Buruk Utama
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
91
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Posted - 2012.02.14 17:13:00 -
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Isotoxin13 wrote:Where is any CCP reply? RMT is not popular in this season?
They'll never make a statement regarding this incident. It falls under the same rules as discussing forum moderation, it doesn't happen. |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
401
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Posted - 2012.02.14 22:19:00 -
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Isotoxin13 wrote:Where is any CCP reply? RMT is not popular in this season?
Silence is as much a response as anything. What you'll get, eventually, is the usual in a unsolicited dev blog from Sreegs about vaguely general efforts to combat RMT/Botting. It's all just lip service with no credibility these days. Yeah yeah, we hear ya Sreegs, you're working on it. And yet the largest of alliances are steeped in RMT which is, of course, why they're the largest alliances because they have actual money backing their business ventures in null.
I mean, if they're not going to fight RMT with any efficacy, why not just implement it as a game mechanic, remove botting as a EULA violation and let everyone do it? RMT is rampant in Eve. So what more harm would it do to the game that it is not already doing? The only reason against that I can see, with any plausibility, is CCP wants to protect certain RMT shops and that can only mean that CCP or someone high in CCP's management is making profit from it. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
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