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PCaBoo RennTech SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.04 20:44:00 - [31] I'm sure it was short notice, but none of your friends thought about Projected ECCM? There are so many ways to counter EW/Recons, yet noone bothers even trying. Quit whining (not directed at OP) and learn how to play the game. ________________________________ Stop nerfing everything!
Dimitry Kalashnikov The Black Fleet	Posted - 2008.01.04 20:45:00 - [32] Originally by: PCaBoo Quit whining (not directed at OP) and learn how to play the game. If that was directed at me then you need to learn the difference between expression of opinion and actual whining. ============================================== The thousand ships of the Black Fleet Corporation descent upon you! Our Void L will blot out the sun!
PCaBoo RennTech SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.04 20:52:00 - [33] Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov Originally by: PCaBoo Quit whining (not directed at OP) and learn how to play the game. If that was directed at me then you need to learn the difference between expression of opinion and actual whining. buhu t2 tissue 4u? and no, it wasn't directed at anyone in particular. ________________________________ Stop nerfing everything!
Dimitry Kalashnikov The Black Fleet	Posted - 2008.01.04 21:03:00 - [34] Originally by: PCaBoo Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov Originally by: PCaBoo Quit whining (not directed at OP) and learn how to play the game. If that was directed at me then you need to learn the difference between expression of opinion and actual whining. buhu t2 tissue 4u? and no, it wasn't directed at anyone in particular. Yes. Tissue for me please. ============================================== The thousand ships of the Black Fleet Corporation descent upon you! Our Void L will blot out the sun!
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2008.01.04 21:11:00 - [35] Originally by: PCaBoo I'm sure it was short notice, but none of your friends thought about Projected ECCM? There are so many ways to counter EW/Recons, yet noone bothers even trying. Quit whining (not directed at OP) and learn how to play the game. Projected ECCM is the stupidest idea ever. It's a mid slot. A slot that could be taken up by ECCM proper. Additionally, anything that is able to jam your ship will be able to jam your other ship projecting the ECCM on to one of your gang mates. I've tried it plenty on test. The best thing to get rid of ECM is simply more ECM. Not damps, not ECCM, just more ECM. And drones have a hard time with targets at 100km. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I
PCaBoo RennTech SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.04 21:16:00 - [36] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Projected ECCM is the stupidest idea ever. It's a mid slot. A slot that could be taken up by ECCM proper. Additionally, anything that is able to jam your ship will be able to jam your other ship projecting the ECCM on to one of your gang mates. I've tried it plenty on test. The best thing to get rid of ECM is simply more ECM. Not damps, not ECCM, just more ECM. And drones have a hard time with targets at 100km. lol? Do you have any idea how ECM/ECCM works? ________________________________ Stop nerfing everything!
Dimitry Kalashnikov The Black Fleet	Posted - 2008.01.04 21:18:00 - [37] Originally by: PCaBoo Originally by: Bellum Eternus Projected ECCM is the stupidest idea ever. It's a mid slot. A slot that could be taken up by ECCM proper. Additionally, anything that is able to jam your ship will be able to jam your other ship projecting the ECCM on to one of your gang mates. I've tried it plenty on test. The best thing to get rid of ECM is simply more ECM. Not damps, not ECCM, just more ECM. And drones have a hard time with targets at 100km. lol? Do you have any idea how ECM/ECCM works? Why don't you tell us. ============================================== The thousand ships of the Black Fleet Corporation descent upon you! Our Void L will blot out the sun!
PCaBoo RennTech SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.04 21:30:00 - [38] Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov Why don't you tell us. seriously? ________________________________ Stop nerfing everything!
Dimitry Kalashnikov The Black Fleet	Posted - 2008.01.04 21:35:00 - [39] Originally by: PCaBoo Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov Why don't you tell us. seriously? Yes. ============================================== The thousand ships of the Black Fleet Corporation descent upon you! Our Void L will blot out the sun!
PCaBoo RennTech SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.04 21:38:00 - [40] Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov Originally by: PCaBoo Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov Why don't you tell us. seriously? Yes. ok. ________________________________ Stop nerfing everything!
Dimitry Kalashnikov The Black Fleet	Posted - 2008.01.04 21:49:00 - [41] Originally by: PCaBoo Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov Originally by: PCaBoo Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov Why don't you tell us. seriously? Yes. ok. Well? ============================================== The thousand ships of the Black Fleet Corporation descent upon you! Our Void L will blot out the sun!
kessah Blood Corsair's Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.01.04 21:58:00 - [42] Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov Originally by: PCaBoo Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov Originally by: PCaBoo Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov Why don't you tell us. seriously? Yes. ok. Well? im intrested in this... Btw falcon was excellent before the boost, why on earth it was boosted it beyond me, i dun mind as much though since i have one.
NightmareX Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.04 23:08:00 - [43] Edited by: NightmareX on 04/01/2008 23:11:28 Originally by: PCaBoo Originally by: Bellum Eternus Projected ECCM is the stupidest idea ever. It's a mid slot. A slot that could be taken up by ECCM proper. Additionally, anything that is able to jam your ship will be able to jam your other ship projecting the ECCM on to one of your gang mates. I've tried it plenty on test. The best thing to get rid of ECM is simply more ECM. Not damps, not ECCM, just more ECM. And drones have a hard time with targets at 100km. lol? Do you have any idea how ECM/ECCM works? Well then i can ask, do you know how those works?. Some months ago i did test my Machariel with ONLY ECCM modules in Med & Low slot, so my Ladar points was pretty high. Then i asked a Scorpion pilot with very good ECM skill to come to me to see if he could jam me. Then he was with me, and started to lock me, and guess what happened right after he got a lock on me?. Yes he jammed me, and he was even jamming me pretty good. So in other words, the ECCM doesn't really work, because the ECM is chance based on whatever many Ladar points you have, or points for the other races. It might help you to get lesser jam cycles on you, but it doesn't remove the ability to get jammed.
PCaBoo RennTech SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.05 00:36:00 - [44] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 04/01/2008 23:15:50 Originally by: PCaBoo Originally by: Bellum Eternus Projected ECCM is the stupidest idea ever. It's a mid slot. A slot that could be taken up by ECCM proper. Additionally, anything that is able to jam your ship will be able to jam your other ship projecting the ECCM on to one of your gang mates. I've tried it plenty on test. The best thing to get rid of ECM is simply more ECM. Not damps, not ECCM, just more ECM. And drones have a hard time with targets at 100km. lol? Do you have any idea how ECM/ECCM works? Well then i can ask, do you know how those works?. Some months ago on Sisi i did test my Machariel with ONLY T2 ECCM modules in Med & Low slot, so my Ladar points was pretty high. Then i asked a Scorpion pilot with very good ECM skill to come to me to see if he could jam me. Then he was with me, and started to lock me, and guess what happened right after he got a lock on me?. Yes he jammed me, and he was even jamming me pretty good. So in other words, the ECCM doesn't really work, because the ECM is chance based on whatever many Ladar points you have, or points for the other races. It might help you to get lesser jam cycles on you, but it doesn't remove the ability to get jammed. Ship sensor strength vs Opp ship sensor strength +/- ECM strength * ECCM (or projected) * fail multiplier. So saying that 96% ECCM mod is useless when compared to the 120% bonus for projected ECCM makes me wonder how that is the case. It's a 24% bonus to your sensor strength, which isn't that much, but obviously helps your cause. ECM doesn't stack and ECCM/Proj ECCM has stacking penalties. I still find it rather amusing that all the older pirates in this thread are clueless or playing dumb about this matter. Thinking one mod will save you is foolish. Thinking one mod will wtfpwn everyone is also foolish. LC will undoubtedly continue bbq'ing those who are lazy and eventually will lose his falcon to those who aren't. ________________________________ Stop nerfing everything!
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2008.01.05 01:12:00 - [45] Originally by: PCaBoo Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 04/01/2008 23:15:50 Originally by: PCaBoo Originally by: Bellum Eternus Projected ECCM is the stupidest idea ever. It's a mid slot. A slot that could be taken up by ECCM proper. Additionally, anything that is able to jam your ship will be able to jam your other ship projecting the ECCM on to one of your gang mates. I've tried it plenty on test. The best thing to get rid of ECM is simply more ECM. Not damps, not ECCM, just more ECM. And drones have a hard time with targets at 100km. lol? Do you have any idea how ECM/ECCM works? Well then i can ask, do you know how those works?. Some months ago on Sisi i did test my Machariel with ONLY T2 ECCM modules in Med & Low slot, so my Ladar points was pretty high. Then i asked a Scorpion pilot with very good ECM skill to come to me to see if he could jam me. Then he was with me, and started to lock me, and guess what happened right after he got a lock on me?. Yes he jammed me, and he was even jamming me pretty good. So in other words, the ECCM doesn't really work, because the ECM is chance based on whatever many Ladar points you have, or points for the other races. It might help you to get lesser jam cycles on you, but it doesn't remove the ability to get jammed. *Ship sensor strength vs Opp ship sensor strength +/- ECM strength ECCM (or projected) * fail multiplier.** So saying that 96% ECCM mod is useless when compared to the 120% bonus for projected ECCM makes me wonder how that is the case. It's a 24% bonus to your sensor strength, which isn't that much, but obviously helps your cause. ECM doesn't stack and ECCM/Proj ECCM has stacking penalties. I still find it rather amusing that all the older pirates in this thread are clueless or playing dumb about this matter. Thinking one mod will save you is foolish. Thinking one mod will wtfpwn everyone is also foolish. LC will undoubtedly continue bbq'ing those who are lazy and eventually will lose his falcon to those who aren't. The attacking and defending ships sensor strengths are not compared when calculating whether or not someone is jammed. Clearly you don't know wtf you are talking about. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I
LordChaos Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.01.05 01:48:00 - [46] dam this has turned into a Falcon/ ECM thread lol ok i admit it i had faction ECM lol :)~ come on guys and Bellum check your own kb u guys have rooks jamming 1 ship while u all gank it , whats the difference between what u guys do what i did ? i could have just jammed u the min u went close to me and wouldn't have got almost any damage but i didn't . and tbh i never do. i only start jamming when i know i cant tank or in very low armor. Check my kb and u will see alot of times my falcon didnt save me and i even sometimes get the same treat from a falcon. GF to all again anyways will have a fraps for you all to see soon. The Master Of Chaos
kidrob Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.01.05 01:53:00 - [47] Edited by: kidrob on 05/01/2008 01:54:12 Why must ppl keep on crying? Falcon, Damagebattleships and stuff are part of this game - so just play it and learn! Btw: If u have known, that there will be a Falcon: - why did u engage? - where was YOUR falcon? ... No mercy for pirates!! Cheers
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2008.01.05 02:08:00 - [48] Edited by: Bellum Eternus on 05/01/2008 02:14:55 Originally by: LordChaos dam this has turned into a Falcon/ ECM thread lol ok i admit it i had faction ECM lol :)~ come on guys and Bellum check your own kb u guys have rooks jamming 1 ship while u all gank it , whats the difference between what u guys do what i did ? i could have just jammed u the min u went close to me and wouldn't have got almost any damage but i didn't . and tbh i never do. i only start jamming when i know i cant tank or in very low armor. Check my kb and u will see alot of times my falcon didnt save me and i even sometimes get the same treat from a falcon. GF to all again anyways will have a fraps for you all to see soon. Yeah, of all the kills on our KB, we have Rooks/Falcons on about 90% of our kills. It's crazy. We use ECM constantly. Not really. There is a total of five kills on our killboard of my buddy Pumpkin Bread using a Rook, and they are all within 24 hours of each other, and two of the 'kills' are a pod and a shuttle. Why? Because my buddy Pumpkin Bread was goofing off with his Rook. That's why. So a Rook showing up on a Thorax or Exequror killmail that we killed has nothing to do with how much EW we use, as he was doing it for laughs. You use it as a crutch, which is perfectly valid, and I don't. At least not for another two months. Then I'm going to use as much EW as possible, just like everyone else. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I
Exzor	Posted - 2008.01.05 02:58:00 - [49] OP is pretty butthurt and thread needs to die before CCP freak out and delete the falcon.
ReePeR McAllem The Carebear Stare Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.01.05 03:07:00 - [50] The falcon and othe ecm ships, they do their specific role, and cant solo. But in comparison to what the other force recons do in gang, they are quite overpowered. Can the curse shut down 3/4 bs in a fleet? no Can a arazu shut down 3/4 people in a fleet (used to be able to do a couple pre-nerf) Can a Rapier shut down 3/4 in a fleet hells no. I dont think they need to nerf the strength of the ecm specific ships, just the amount they can jam at once, say limit it to 2...
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2008.01.05 04:08:00 - [51] Originally by: Exzor OP is pretty butthurt and thread needs to die before CCP freak out and delete the falcon. I'm sure as soon as I get my Falcon pilot maxed out they'll nerf the hell outta it lol. I'm about two months away from a nicely skilled Falcon pilot. You've been warned. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.01.05 04:13:00 - [52] Originally by: ReePeR McAllem The falcon and othe ecm ships, they do their specific role, and cant solo. But in comparison to what the other force recons do in gang, they are quite overpowered. Can the curse shut down 3/4 bs in a fleet? no Can a arazu shut down 3/4 people in a fleet (used to be able to do a couple pre-nerf) Can a Rapier shut down 3/4 in a fleet hells no. I dont think they need to nerf the strength of the ecm specific ships, just the amount they can jam at once, say limit it to 2... Gah... you already said "can't solo in it"... hmmm yeah, Working as intendedÖ ------------ Originally by: Praxis1452 you win eve
PCaBoo RennTech SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.05 05:57:00 - [53] Originally by: Bellum Eternus [ The attacking and defending ships sensor strengths are not compared when calculating whether or not someone is jammed. Clearly you don't know wtf you are talking about. After reading up on it. I stand corrected. That's how it was explained to me long ago and I never felt the need to question it until now. I still stand by my other statements though. ________________________________ Stop nerfing everything!
PCaBoo RennTech SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.05 06:05:00 - [54] Originally by: ReePeR McAllem The falcon and othe ecm ships, they do their specific role, and cant solo. But in comparison to what the other force recons do in gang, they are quite overpowered. Can the curse shut down 3/4 bs in a fleet? no Can a arazu shut down 3/4 people in a fleet (used to be able to do a couple pre-nerf) Can a Rapier shut down 3/4 in a fleet hells no. I dont think they need to nerf the strength of the ecm specific ships, just the amount they can jam at once, say limit it to 2... can a falcon nos/neut you like a pilgrim? No. can a falcon tackle you from 40+km's? No. Can a falcon web you from 40km? No. Does everyone want to fly the same ships with the same bonuses? No. I don't see why the falcon needed a boost before... but I definately don't see a need to nerf it (below what it was pre-boost). A blackbird can just as easily provide similar results, as can a Kitsune. ________________________________ Stop nerfing everything!
Lochmar Fiendhiem Caldari International Multi-Player Consortium Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.05 06:49:00 - [55] Originally by: LordChaos Anyways very good fight and much repsect for bringing it the first time and the 2nd time. this ftw. kudos to the op for 'bringing it' twice and still smiling. made my evening :D Originally by: Halkin bob is dead, goons are great, cheese is cheesy, there we go no need for any more threads
Mi Lai The Black Dragon Society	Posted - 2008.01.05 08:19:00 - [56] Originally by: Galliana Foresta ECM needs a nerf tbh. Pity to see that Hype go down.. FRAPS it perchance? Nope, LC needs a nerf. ECM is fine.
Trepkos Cabalistical Technologies	Posted - 2008.01.05 08:35:00 - [57] <3 Genius L0ci Keep up the good work. -------- Cabalistical Technologies
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services The Acquisition	Posted - 2008.01.05 09:33:00 - [58] Paper is fine. Nerf rock.
Wizard Without Reason	Posted - 2008.01.05 11:18:00 - [59] Originally by: PCaBoo Originally by: ReePeR McAllem The falcon and othe ecm ships, they do their specific role, and cant solo. But in comparison to what the other force recons do in gang, they are quite overpowered. Can the curse shut down 3/4 bs in a fleet? no Can a arazu shut down 3/4 people in a fleet (used to be able to do a couple pre-nerf) Can a Rapier shut down 3/4 in a fleet hells no. I dont think they need to nerf the strength of the ecm specific ships, just the amount they can jam at once, say limit it to 2... can a falcon nos/neut you like a pilgrim? No. can a falcon tackle you from 40+km's? No. Can a falcon web you from 40km? No. Does everyone want to fly the same ships with the same bonuses? No. I don't see why the falcon needed a boost before... but I definately don't see a need to nerf it (below what it was pre-boost). A blackbird can just as easily provide similar results, as can a Kitsune. This made me chuckle, get of your high horse fella having a go, you obviously dont like being wrong do you? Falcon doesnt need to be able to do ANY of the other stuff those other ships do because jamm = no one atacking you at all, the other ships can be countered much easier. No im not calling for a nerf on ECM.
burek Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.01.05 13:05:00 - [60] TBH, it's quiet clear why this thread was started... Better to yell publicly first, GF & ECM is overpowered, we was permajammed... before this slaughter comes into the public eye some other way. It's called saving face. amirite? sure I am

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