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7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2008.01.06 22:23:00 - [1] Yes, as the title said, i understand that the devs have talked in the live devblog about a boost patch, and that the amarrians who apparently feel that their ships absolutely suck (eventhough the vets ridicule those who say that amarr sucks) you guys might want to tone it down a bit. about half of the first page posts are about amarr in some way shape or form. and eventhough some of them might have merit, a very high percentage of them are completely made of bollox talk from people with either a) not good enough skills to fly them properly, or b) people with dirty flour in the bag (ungenuine intentions) desiring a new generation of amarr pwnmobiles. so give it a rest, amarr ships do kick ass, some of them needs looking at (the recons and so on) but i do facepalm a bit when i see an abaddon whine thread or similar. absolution/damnation/geddon/abaddon/malediction etc. are frigging ownage. and amarr has crystals not needing to reload ammo which is _quite_ relevant (which is part of the reason for the _"cap problems", and the damage is good too, and some of these "cap problems" stemming from a nerf back in time when amarr lasers wtfbbq'd everything. and i'm sure you don't want the amarr ships to be nerfed straight off the bat due to them becoming overpowered by the devs taking everything you say for truth without seing how it all fits together in actual gameplay and fleet/pvp scenarios. so just relax and give it a rest with the ships that are allready quite fine. and furthermore stop with the _we amarr says nerf minmatarr_ threads which has more roleplay in them than truth, and focus on the ships that seriously needs some looking at instead. so wipe your tears away and instead take a look at movies like genesis by kil2 which are awesome displays on how to use amarr in pvp. i think i speak for quite a few when i say that, that would make us very happy to not see a flood of amarr threads full of bollox.
Lord TYMAN	Posted - 2008.01.06 22:30:00 - [2] Edited by: Lord TYMAN on 06/01/2008 22:30:46 Didn't read it, but you're prolly wrong/ga.y.
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2008.01.06 22:32:00 - [3] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 06/01/2008 22:32:45 Originally by: Lord TYMAN Edited by: Lord TYMAN on 06/01/2008 22:30:46 Didn't read it, but you're prolly wrong/ga.y. And you make as much logical sense as half the Amarr whine posters.. i rest my case.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising	Posted - 2008.01.06 22:42:00 - [4] Originally by: 7shining7one7 absolution/damnation/geddon/abaddon/malediction (added: ie khanid ships) etc. are frigging ownage. Thats pretty true, too bad pretty much all our other ships are sub par or in the too-sucky-to-even-look-at category. I think thats more the issue. That ccp broke our race, then duct taped a few ships and now the oppinion is that amarr are fine. They are not, its broken and its still not fixed. And yeah, I'll keep the threads going because Ive got a right as a customer. --------------------------------------------- [Video]The Inquisition I - Swift Justice
Ghyran	Posted - 2008.01.06 22:54:00 - [5] Says the Gallente Pilot
Kazuma Saruwatari	Posted - 2008.01.06 23:09:00 - [6] I refuse to take in anyone's comment regarding Amarr unless they've flown it for at least 6 months. Have you flown Amarr for 6 months? - Odd Pod Out, a blog of EVE Online
Admiral Pelleon Caldari White Shadow Imperium Burning Horizons	Posted - 2008.01.06 23:09:00 - [7] Khanid and Sansha (hell, even blood raiders arent too horrid) ships I love to fly with a passion. Sure they might not be the best of the best in every category, but they fit their intended roles rather well. ________
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising	Posted - 2008.01.06 23:25:00 - [8] Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari I refuse to take in anyone's comment regarding Amarr unless they've flown it for at least 6 months. Have you flown Amarr for 6 months? More then a year. --------------------------------------------- [Video]The Inquisition I - Swift Justice
Wishy Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.06 23:35:00 - [9] You just want our shiny laser discoball (comes with diffrent colors) GUESS WHAT..... You aint getting it
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising	Posted - 2008.01.06 23:42:00 - [10] Originally by: Wishy You just want our shiny laser discoball (comes with diffrent colors) GUESS WHAT..... You aint getting it Disco is the zhit! --------------------------------------------- [Video]The Inquisition I - Swift Justice
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.01.07 00:16:00 - [11] Originally by: 7shining7one7 Yes, as the title said, i understand that the devs have talked in the live devblog about a boost patch, and that the amarrians who apparently feel that their ships absolutely suck (eventhough the vets ridicule those who say that amarr sucks) you guys might want to tone it down a bit. about half of the first page posts are about amarr in some way shape or form. and eventhough some of them might have merit, a very high percentage of them are completely made of bollox talk from people with either a) not good enough skills to fly them properly, or b) people with dirty flour in the bag (ungenuine intentions) desiring a new generation of amarr pwnmobiles. so give it a rest, amarr ships do kick ass, some of them needs looking at (the recons and so on) but i do facepalm a bit when i see an abaddon whine thread or similar. absolution/damnation/geddon/abaddon/malediction etc. are frigging ownage. and amarr has crystals not needing to reload ammo which is _quite_ relevant (which is part of the reason for the _"cap problems", and the damage is good too, and some of these "cap problems" stemming from a nerf back in time when amarr lasers wtfbbq'd everything. and i'm sure you don't want the amarr ships to be nerfed straight off the bat due to them becoming overpowered by the devs taking everything you say for truth without seing how it all fits together in actual gameplay and fleet/pvp scenarios. so just relax and give it a rest with the ships that are allready quite fine. and furthermore stop with the _we amarr says nerf minmatarr_ threads which has more roleplay in them than truth, and focus on the ships that seriously needs some looking at instead. so wipe your tears away and instead take a look at movies like genesis by kil2 which are awesome displays on how to use amarr in pvp. i think i speak for quite a few when i say that, that would make us very happy to not see a flood of amarr threads full of bollox. I have said in the past certain amarr ships need to be boosted,i believe that certain amarrian ships are subpar and lack a niche...But even with that i dont think a widespread amarrian change would be a good idea. Basically,you are correct in your thinking,however those amarrian pvp videos are using only our best ships. Signature removed. Contains no Eve content. Navigator ([email protected])
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2008.01.07 00:18:00 - [12] I think that the Amarrian forum trollers (like JoJo The Troll) need to see their forum posting rights nerfed. Rifters!
Gorefacer Caldari Resurrection	Posted - 2008.01.07 00:55:00 - [13] Not really, they are easy to skip. "You can't reason someone out of a belief they haven't reasoned themselves into" - Prometheus
TigerWoman	Posted - 2008.01.07 01:09:00 - [14] amarr have some okayish ships like: harbinger, crusader, geddon, baddon and khanid-line. mayor complaints are more about the no use sub bc ships and the apoc. and even if passive plated gedodns/baddons are nice in gang the problem is that a mwd which is more or less mandatory is just not rly cool with amarr ships due to cap and/or fitting. while a mwd on a blaster mega is needed to get into blaster range you can use it to mwd out of bubbles too. on blaster/ac ships you want to have the mwd to get into your perfect range and it also allows you to move through bubbles or run if needed. much guys say you should not fly amarr like you fly gallente, but if gallente are as good as amarr on plated setups (nearly) and far better with rep+mwd setups and the fact that a mwd is more or less needed in 0.0 leaves amarr as the king of midrange combat (which does not rly exist), the king of long range tracking (which you dont need), the king of close range optimal (again a thing you dont rly need). the abaddon is awesome as long as you have a station close to you..... t1 cruisers are worthless (except arbi). hacs are average. i would say amarr has 2 decent subcapitals which are the damnation (with a very good tank and nice gangmods) and the guardian ( cap and rep transfer is very good ). compare that with other races ships and their use in todays combat: eagle - superior anti support sniper vaga - awesome hvy tackler and decent roaming ship ishtar - well dronepower nanoable or tankable hurricane - a dream of a tier 2 bc myrmidon - even with "only" 5 med drones a hell of a ship with awesome tank and nice gank crow - dam nice tackler mega-domi-hyp: gallente bs lineup is just nice recons: nice ships throughout all races. dictors: sabre is still the best. hics: broadsword, onyx..... i left some ships out cause i dont know them rly so i did not want to judge them. amarr would be fine if the could use their midrange pro more, but atm there is combat below 20km or above 160km which arent rly ranges for amarr to shine. lets hope for boostpatch.....
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising	Posted - 2008.01.07 01:12:00 - [15] Originally by: TigerWoman amarr have some okayish ships like: harbinger, crusader, geddon, baddon and khanid-line. mayor complaints are more about the no use sub bc ships and the apoc. and even if passive plated gedodns/baddons are nice in gang the problem is that a mwd which is more or less mandatory is just not rly cool with amarr ships due to cap and/or fitting. while a mwd on a blaster mega is needed to get into blaster range you can use it to mwd out of bubbles too. on blaster/ac ships you want to have the mwd to get into your perfect range and it also allows you to move through bubbles or run if needed. much guys say you should not fly amarr like you fly gallente, but if gallente are as good as amarr on plated setups (nearly) and far better with rep+mwd setups and the fact that a mwd is more or less needed in 0.0 leaves amarr as the king of midrange combat (which does not rly exist), the king of long range tracking (which you dont need), the king of close range optimal (again a thing you dont rly need). the abaddon is awesome as long as you have a station close to you..... t1 cruisers are worthless (except arbi). hacs are average. i would say amarr has 2 decent subcapitals which are the damnation (with a very good tank and nice gangmods) and the guardian ( cap and rep transfer is very good ). compare that with other races ships and their use in todays combat: eagle - superior anti support sniper vaga - awesome hvy tackler and decent roaming ship ishtar - well dronepower nanoable or tankable hurricane - a dream of a tier 2 bc myrmidon - even with "only" 5 med drones a hell of a ship with awesome tank and nice gank crow - dam nice tackler mega-domi-hyp: gallente bs lineup is just nice recons: nice ships throughout all races. dictors: sabre is still the best. hics: broadsword, onyx..... i left some ships out cause i dont know them rly so i did not want to judge them. amarr would be fine if the could use their midrange pro more, but atm there is combat below 20km or above 160km which arent rly ranges for amarr to shine. lets hope for boostpatch..... QFT. --------------------------------------------- [Video]The Inquisition I - Swift Justice
Malken Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.01.07 01:15:00 - [16] Originally by: 7shining7one7 Yes, as the title said, i understand that the devs have talked in the live devblog about a boost patch, and that the amarrians who apparently feel that their ships absolutely suck (eventhough the vets ridicule those who say that amarr sucks) you guys might want to tone it down a bit. im a "veteran" since 2003 with pretty much maxed out skills in amarr and yes amarr suck in alot more then they are any good at. i am also just about maxed out on gallente and they are nowhere near the suckage of amarr. i do fly a few amarr ships still but i actually preferr the other races ships for the performance, amarr i mainly fly for the looks nowadays.
MenanceWhite	Posted - 2008.01.07 01:20:00 - [17] I want to fit beam lasers. Why wont the ships let me fit beam lasers? :(
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2008.01.07 01:24:00 - [18] Originally by: MenanceWhite I want to fit beam lasers. Why wont the ships let me fit beam lasers? :( Same reason I can't fit arties. Rifters!
Ruah Piskonit Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.07 01:25:00 - [19] When the lowest dps race out dps' the highest/second highest dps race in guns alown I think there is a problem - and thats before you factor in resistances. Amarr are the gank and tank race, our very few mid slots give us limited combat versitility - if we are the gank-tank race then we should be able to do that in spades, at this point, we are not. I am hoping for a change. ----
Tarron Sarek Gallente Endica Enterprises	Posted - 2008.01.07 01:59:00 - [20] Originally by: 7shining7one7 (..) and that the amarrians who apparently feel that their ships absolutely suck (eventhough the vets ridicule those who say that amarr sucks)(..) I guess that's because vets=PvP and others=PvE (at least most of them). Or maybe low SP/high SP. Who knows, but there certainly is a reason for it. The devs would be well advised to sort that reason out before applying any changes.. ___________________________________ - Balance is power, guard it well - Please stop using the word 'nerf' Nothing spells 'incompetence' or 'don't take me serious' like those four letters
Neon Genesis The Landed Gentry	Posted - 2008.01.07 02:07:00 - [21] Why does every 'no more amarr threads' thread get hijacked and turned into another Amarr thread? _
Tarron Sarek Gallente Endica Enterprises	Posted - 2008.01.07 02:13:00 - [22] Murphy ___________________________________ - Balance is power, guard it well - Please stop using the word 'nerf' Nothing spells 'incompetence' or 'don't take me serious' like those four letters
Johnny Ringo A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2008.01.07 02:27:00 - [23] I like Amarr. I think that the use of cap instead of ammo has some real advantages, and those advantages are offset by the limited types of damage Amarr can do. having said that, I do have one complaint: Amarr really does not have a good sniper ship. Lasers have far less falloff than do hybrids or arties, and their optimals are about the same if not a little less. Because of this an Amarr pilot has to absolutely gimp his ship just to get to the MINIMUM of what might be considered sniping rangs (150km+). So how about this - remove the cap capacity bonus from the apoc and give it an optimal bonus instead? Then maybe we Amarr pilots could actually fit decent sniper setups and compete with the rest of the long range shooters.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness	Posted - 2008.01.07 03:49:00 - [24] Originally by: Neon Genesis Why does every 'no more amarr threads' thread get hijacked and turned into another Amarr thread? Because there actually is a valid reason for the amarr whine threads? --------------------------------------------- [Video]The Inquisition I - Swift Justice
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness	Posted - 2008.01.07 03:49:00 - [25] Originally by: Malken Originally by: 7shining7one7 Yes, as the title said, i understand that the devs have talked in the live devblog about a boost patch, and that the amarrians who apparently feel that their ships absolutely suck (eventhough the vets ridicule those who say that amarr sucks) you guys might want to tone it down a bit. im a "veteran" since 2003 with pretty much maxed out skills in amarr and yes amarr suck in alot more then they are any good at. i am also just about maxed out on gallente and they are nowhere near the suckage of amarr. i do fly a few amarr ships still but i actually preferr the other races ships for the performance, amarr i mainly fly for the looks nowadays. Thank you for making it clear. Many think its a skill issue but its not. --------------------------------------------- [Video]The Inquisition I - Swift Justice
Megan Maynard Minmatar Clearspace Operations Carpe Diem.	Posted - 2008.01.07 04:42:00 - [26] "t1 cruisers are worthless (except arbi). hacs are average." Cough Cough Cough Maller COUGH MALLER. Seriously, how can the race with the most badass tank in the game complain this much? Ahhhhhhhhh yes, good day. Oh and there is nothing wrong with amarr.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness	Posted - 2008.01.07 04:57:00 - [27] Originally by: Megan Maynard Edited by: Megan Maynard on 07/01/2008 04:50:51 "t1 cruisers are worthless (except arbi). hacs are average." Cough Cough Cough Maller COUGH MALLER. A ship that has a bonus to lasers but still performs better with another weaponsystem (bonusless) is a failed ship, much like your post. --------------------------------------------- [Video]The Inquisition I - Swift Justice
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2008.01.07 04:59:00 - [28] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Megan Maynard Edited by: Megan Maynard on 07/01/2008 04:50:51 "t1 cruisers are worthless (except arbi). hacs are average." Cough Cough Cough Maller COUGH MALLER. A ship that has a bonus to lasers but still performs better with another weaponsystem (bonusless) is a failed ship, much like your post. Actually, I've seen Mallers with lasers kill well flown and fit Thoraxes before. Rifters!
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.01.07 05:00:00 - [29] Originally by: Megan Maynard Edited by: Megan Maynard on 07/01/2008 04:50:51 "t1 cruisers are worthless (except arbi). hacs are average." Cough Cough Cough Maller COUGH MALLER. Seriously, how can the race with the most badass tank in the game complain this much? Ahhhhhhhhh yes, good day. Oh and there is nothing wrong with amarr. Edit: Anyone here EVER look forward to running into a pilgrim? Unless you are in a passive fit drake, nearly everyone will need support to beat that ship. I'm sorry but a pilgrim full of cap charges is a scary thing to behold. Amarr have their ships, and they have their bad ships. I don't see other pilots whining about stuff. It must be the bandwagon thing to do because I'm sure I could come up with a crap load of complaints for Minmatar if I tried REALLY hard. (Longest training time of all the races? Ships are expensive as hell? Ships require many "extra" items to reach their usefulness. A total lack of defined weapons systems in most of the ships. Which is a plus in my book but look; I made up a complaint!) Play the game and have fun all ready. I enjoy the rush of flying around my 125 million isk hyena, I don't complain over and over again that speed tanking takes up 2 weeks worth of missioning to get a t2 frigate properly fit. Every race has it's drawbacks, right now it's pretty balanced. GET OVER IT. Maller is terrible,cruisers arent made to tank unless their t2...As for the pilgrim,their way too easy to kill with a harbinger/absolution/zealot hell i even beat one in a stabber once. Signature removed. Contains no Eve content. Navigator ([email protected])
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness	Posted - 2008.01.07 05:07:00 - [30] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Megan Maynard Edited by: Megan Maynard on 07/01/2008 04:50:51 "t1 cruisers are worthless (except arbi). hacs are average." Cough Cough Cough Maller COUGH MALLER. A ship that has a bonus to lasers but still performs better with another weaponsystem (bonusless) is a failed ship, much like your post. Actually, I've seen Mallers with lasers kill well flown and fit Thoraxes before. Yeah and Ive seen a retribution kill a brutix in a vid. It doesnt say anything about the balance and capabilities of the two ships. --------------------------------------------- [Video]The Inquisition I - Swift Justice

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