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Fallen Destroyer	Posted - 2008.01.15 06:06:00 - [31] Originally by: el caido January 26 - February 3 One billion ISK to the first place team. 200 million ISK to the second place team. 20 million ISK entrance fee per team. T1 Cruisers only, T1/T2 fittings only, no rigs, no implant restrictions. Check out http://sakevents.blogspot.com for details (IGB friendly). In above you say that T1 cruisers only, but in the offical rules it says T1 and T2 cruisers, and battlecruisers. Which is it? (lol sorry I'm confused)
Naradu Di'mask	Posted - 2008.01.15 07:30:00 - [32] Originally by: Fallen Destroyer In above you say that T1 cruisers only, but in the offical rules it says T1 and T2 cruisers, and battlecruisers. Which is it? (lol sorry I'm confused) Lol you skipped over some key words: Quote: but you may *only* enter Tech I cruisers - no 'faction' (Ashimmu, Gila, etc), Tech 2, or Battlecruisers.
Eleana Tomelac Gallente Through the Looking Glass	Posted - 2008.01.15 08:22:00 - [33] Sounds a cool tournament. I'll try to be there, need to find a mate who likes cruisers... I just have a question about jetcan flagging and +10 standings, some friends tried to use this method and it seems to fail on +10 standings, concord came and... Anyone knows if it was effectively the +10 standings between them or if it was something else that went wrong? Well, the question only applies if someone needs to fight against a very friendly corp... -- Pocket drone carriers (tm) enthousiast ! Assault Frigates MK II
el caido	Posted - 2008.01.15 09:59:00 - [34] Thanks to those who read the fine print. :) And let me make this perfectly clear: no faction ammo. As for +10 standings, this is indeed an issue. If you have an opponent you hold in +10, you will need to adjust it to something lesser before your match.
John Grimm Amarr The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2008.01.15 11:02:00 - [35] It says in the rules that scrams/desruptures can't be use. What about webs? Can thouse be use? Tnks to Crumplecorn for creating these great sigs
bogthekiller	Posted - 2008.01.15 12:03:00 - [36] are u aloud to use fleet for the gang bonuses??
bogdenthesack	Posted - 2008.01.15 14:13:00 - [37] also wat about jammers??
Eleana Tomelac Gallente Through the Looking Glass	Posted - 2008.01.15 14:20:00 - [38] Yeah, jammers, seeing their current efficiency, not bringing a blackbird would be close to nonsense... I guess there's some desision to take or it will be a blackbird tournament, the average cruiser sensor strength will allow for permajamming or close to it. -- Pocket drone carriers (tm) enthousiast ! Assault Frigates MK II
el caido	Posted - 2008.01.15 14:22:00 - [39] Stasis webifiers and ECM (jammers) are both allowed. As are webber and ECM drones. Competitors will be ganging with the referee after aggression is established, negating any outside fleet bonus. :P
Quincy TawHarr Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.01.15 14:44:00 - [40] Edited by: Quincy TawHarr on 15/01/2008 14:51:47 Originally by: Eleana Tomelac Yeah, jammers, seeing their current efficiency, not bringing a blackbird would be close to nonsense... I guess there's some desision to take or it will be a blackbird tournament, the average cruiser sensor strength will allow for permajamming or close to it. I'd tend to agree, but wouldn't drone aggression be able to handle a blackbird? My first instinct was the tourney will be dominated by Vexors and Arby's. Then I remembered ECM. It's just too bad this ends on Superbowl Sunday. It pretty well eliminates me from running, what with parties and such. Scrapheap fun on Bombs: Takahashi: Atm you're essentially "firing the equivalent of a Ferox" Dixon: Letting people fire actual Ferox's would be nice... it'd make them almost useful.

Kehmor Caldari PAK	Posted - 2008.01.15 15:06:00 - [41] is 14 months acceptable given the age of my character? PAK is recruiting!
faxtarious Kai-Zen inc.	Posted - 2008.01.15 15:56:00 - [42] Originally by: Captain Immy Originally by: Kylegar Faction Ammo? It has been made pretty clear that any faction gear is not allowed. I would like to participate, but I need a partner my character age. (~2 years) I have the same issue, and am looking for a partner. you can evemail me if you are ever interested in partnership.
Zombieee FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.15 19:49:00 - [43] i havent read all this info yet, just wondering where one can sign up? Zomb
GeneralNukeEm Relic Defense Initiative The OSS	Posted - 2008.01.15 19:56:00 - [44] Let me get this straight...no faction ammo, but you can use high grade ______ implants? How is that compatible at all with the goal of "an attempt to ensure the value of a team's skills and strategy moreso than their wallets." Or are you just banking on the fact that the tournament payout is less than the cost of a set of pirate implants to keep people from using them, ignoring that there will be some who have them fitted already. If the problem is enforcability, pick a system with a medical station, have the participants go to the system in an empty jump clone, and pod all the participants before they are allowed to begin fighting.
el caido	Posted - 2008.01.15 20:08:00 - [45] Yes, the problem is enforceability. Not everyone has Infomorph. Bounties.
jna Caldari Black Ash Enterprises	Posted - 2008.01.15 20:23:00 - [46] Originally by: Zombieee i havent read all this info yet, just wondering where one can sign up? Zomb - all the detail is here (igb friendly). http://sakevents.blogspot.com
Kehmor Caldari PAK	Posted - 2008.01.15 20:39:00 - [47] Originally by: GeneralNukeEm Edited by: GeneralNukeEm on 15/01/2008 19:56:54 Let me get this straight...no faction ammo, but you can use high grade ______ implants? How is that compatible at all with the goal of "an attempt to ensure the value of a team's skills and strategy moreso than their wallets." Or are you just banking on the fact that the tournament payout is less than the cost of a set of pirate implants to keep people from using them, ignoring that there will be some who have them fitted already. If the problem is enforcability, pick a system with a medical station, have the participants go to the system in an empty jump clone, and pod all the participants before they are allowed to begin fighting. Then no leaving local at any point after that until the fight finishes. A: I don't own a clone without implants and i'm not training infomorph 5 for this tourny B: you gonna pay for everyones clone? mine ain't cheap. PAK is recruiting!
el caido	Posted - 2008.01.15 20:45:00 - [48] IMPORTANT UPDATE: Due to public outcry, the twelve month rule has been revised. I will accept a team with two players who are separated by more than a year. As a penalty against this, the team's age will be determined only by the oldest player's age. Therefore, if a 3 month old and a 2 year old enter as a team, their first match will be against a team with an average age of 2 years. If anyone who has already registered wishes to change their team because of this, EVEmail me.
Santa Claw Federation of Synthetic Persons STYX.	Posted - 2008.01.15 21:43:00 - [49] Edited by: Santa Claw on 15/01/2008 21:43:50 What about boosters. They me be illeagl in High-Sec but we all know how "difficult" it is to get past the customs in a small ship. A strong booster could have a significant inpackt on the outcome of a match.
el caido	Posted - 2008.01.15 21:48:00 - [50] I was wondering when/if someone would either bring that up or try to sneak some into the arena ... XD This is another enforceability issue. We ask that boosters not be used in the tournament; if you are caught in the arena transporting boosters, you will be disqualified.

Baji Core Pastry Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.15 22:51:00 - [51] The use of hg pirate implant sets makes me :( but I guess that's the way it has to be. It may make an interesting challenge for those without them however.
Delelia	Posted - 2008.01.15 22:52:00 - [52] A few questions 1. Smartbombs are not allowed in empire at all i beleive and will result in being concorded even if you hit nothing. And if it isnt the case, it will still hit that can. 2. are fleets allowed? for example my CEO has a ton in leadership, could he sit as a spectator and set boosters for the guys actually in the fight? 3. FOF missles + spectators + specially if were at war with em = hehe 4. We better have some nice videos, too bad Eve TV aint here to cover it .
Kuzya Morozov Gallente Organized Combat Consortium	Posted - 2008.01.15 23:40:00 - [53] Originally by: Delelia A few questions 1. Smartbombs are not allowed in empire at all i beleive and will result in being concorded even if you hit nothing. And if it isnt the case, it will still hit that can. 2. are fleets allowed? for example my CEO has a ton in leadership, could he sit as a spectator and set boosters for the guys actually in the fight? 3. FOF missles + spectators + specially if were at war with em = hehe 4. We better have some nice videos, too bad Eve TV aint here to cover it . Smartbombs are allowed in Empire, just don't hit the can (hint hint get to the can if they have smartbombs). My questions: How is damage inflicted "equally" on everyone? What if they have a Stabber going 6km/s because of his snakes? And also, will we know what ships the opponent has before we start (any coverage on fights, etc.)? Finally, how do you schedule these? What if we are both asleep at the time you set, and we can't attend? Originally by: zeeZ Exus The time WOW and EVE combine will be the day we get planetary interaction. World of Warcraft shards become planets and we shall get modules for planetary bombardment.
el caido	Posted - 2008.01.16 00:31:00 - [54] The referees are not looking forward to having to call or 'settle' a draw ... so if you come to the arena with two buffer-tank Vexors fit solely to rep each other, we will not be amused. Simply outlasting your opponents in hopes to out-tank the referee is not a winning strategy. You've been warned. And again, you will be ganged with the referee after aggression is acquired. You will not know your opponents' ships beforehand ... unless they are nice enough to tell you. :) The referees will be on around-the-clock, to the best of our abilities. Scheduling will be very flexible, and all competitors will be contacted about availability prior to the start of the tournament.
jna Caldari Black Ash Enterprises	Posted - 2008.01.16 00:53:00 - [55] Originally by: Delelia A few questions 1. Smartbombs are not allowed in empire at all i beleive and will result in being concorded even if you hit nothing. And if it isnt the case, it will still hit that can. 2. are fleets allowed? for example my CEO has a ton in leadership, could he sit as a spectator and set boosters for the guys actually in the fight? 3. FOF missles + spectators + specially if were at war with em = hehe 4. We better have some nice videos, too bad Eve TV aint here to cover it . Hi Delelia, 1. Smartbombs are fine, albeit risky to use in the Arena. If you concordokken yourself by hitting the can or a spectator, we'll be very sorry but also very amused 2. El Caido's already answered this, but no. You'll be ganged with the ref and he will distribute the participants so that fleet bonuses will not be applied 3. Indeed 4. Originally by: el caido And I hope to have a couple cameramen, yes. :) Hope that helps answer your questions. Best wishes, J
Kuzya Morozov Gallente Organized Combat Consortium	Posted - 2008.01.16 01:52:00 - [56] Originally by: el caido The referees are not looking forward to having to call or 'settle' a draw ... so if you come to the arena with two buffer-tank Vexors fit solely to rep each other, we will not be amused. Simply outlasting your opponents in hopes to out-tank the referee is not a winning strategy. You've been warned. Hey man, I was trying to figure out what I would do if we faced 2 plated mallers! :( Not going to do that myself, not fun at all. Originally by: zeeZ Exus The time WOW and EVE combine will be the day we get planetary interaction. World of Warcraft shards become planets and we shall get modules for planetary bombardment.
Madame Kaliear Gallente CygnusX1 Operation Ocinante	Posted - 2008.01.16 03:55:00 - [57] It sounds like it may be sorta fun but I suck at PvP plus I am poor I don't know if I can asfford to do it especially if I loose my ship will it be replaced? Madame Kaliear: Of the Soon to be Kaliear's Assault Ships Corporation.
jna Caldari Black Ash Enterprises	Posted - 2008.01.16 05:34:00 - [58] Originally by: Madame Kaliear It sounds like it may be sorta fun but I suck at PvP plus I am poor I don't know if I can asfford to do it especially if I loose my ship will it be replaced? Hi Mme Kaliear, No, sadly not. But the T1 + rigless limitation on fitting out your cruiser means that the amount of money you can spend on it is relatively limited, and so I hope you'll be able to put enough together to make it worthwhile participating! Insurance is also worthwhile if you're concerned about your PvP skills. Best wishes, J
jna Caldari Black Ash Enterprises	Posted - 2008.01.16 05:37:00 - [59] Originally by: Kuzya Morozov Would this also apply to people who just flew around and dodged bullets for 10 minutes? On a case-by-case basis of course, but intention to participate in an active fight is the key. Similarly, any team that insta-cloaks and doesn't de-cloak for 10 mins will be very unlikely to have a sympathetic referee.
Sklight	Posted - 2008.01.16 08:09:00 - [60] you mentioned no podding, if said team pods player x with expensive implants regardless, who is going to pay for them? «²+n



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