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Erikel
Cosmic Odyssey YouWhat
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Posted - 2008.01.08 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: Setana Manoro Edited by: Setana Manoro on 08/01/2008 09:59:51
Originally by: Sexorella hotz I'll start by saying its apparently entirely within the rules of the game, so I make this post just to keep the community aware or underhanded tactics in use. Einherjar was camping PF-346 with about 10 people, we had a 10 man gang to counter and warped in to engage, we had intel covering all the gates, and a review of our fraps also rules out any possible jump-ins as only one jump in was observed and was more than likely one of our pilots in orvolle. The rest of our gang came from a system on the other side, when our 10 man gangs collided, local had spiked to 30, starting at 12 before the fight as our bait was warping in. FRAPS showed several pilots warping in together, at the gate, so we have no doubt a login trap was used, just be aware, and CCP please throw us a bone and give us some sort of counter since right now its allowed but completely uncounterable, I see no reason to engage a enemies that employ these tactics.
Could be worse. Lamer than doing login traps is being part of an alliance that backstabbs their allies, annoyes their neighbours, dies without a fight, smacks in local like crazy, reforms as a bob pet because it got promised anything, and in the end, it ends up in Fountain, with all the other losers and then start complaining about login traps. So ... when did Beasts of Burden did a ressurect on the YW name ?
Originally by: Arekhon if the FRAPS don't fit, you must acquit.
I love the Chewbacca defense !
LMAO, Mrs Setana "I've never pvpd and live in empire building stuff" Manoro. You are clueless, so quit spewing crapola you haven't a clue about. Thank you have a nice day. Come back again.
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G3ghj
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Posted - 2008.01.08 19:40:00 -
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Looks like as if he chewbacca defence well. |
Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.01.08 21:21:00 -
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Edited by: Tobias Sjodin on 08/01/2008 21:22:24 Killing **** is fun in EVE, some people don't have a problem with a game mechanism that's not an exploit as a means to kill ****.
As with a lot of things that are annoying as **** (logonski & logoffski), the only consequence people get for using such "tactics" is whines on the forums. And to some that's an incentive to do it even more.
I dunno, to me it's very redundant to discuss it anymore. I think anyone who needs to do logontraps and logoffski do it because they lack ability do get kills or not lose in combat respectively. As in, it's a sign of weakness more than anything. (There's a reason farmers do it all the time)
- Recruitment open again-
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Master OlavPancrazio
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2008.01.08 21:23:00 -
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Edited by: Master OlavPancrazio on 08/01/2008 21:23:47 ENH doesn't use log in traps, ever. Anyone in the corp who uses them would get a real strict warning if not a kick on site. We make it well known we do not support them.
There may a be a case where a newer member used it solo or whatever (obviously without anyone being around to notice it), but you are more than welcome to bring that up with me or any other ENH director, and we will deal with it.
I wasn't part of the op against YouWhat, but I have no doubt they had faulty intelligence. People like to think they got cheated, it makes them feel better inside.
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Mistress Suffering
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2008.01.08 21:52:00 -
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No, you simply suck at intel.
PF-346 has a giant empire system right next to it, where it is trivial to have a large gang mustered and waiting.
You guys projected your movement miles in advance. The moment you were on the move we called the secondary gang into motion.
Trivial stuff. You all died because you were predictable. It doesn't take anything fancier than "warp to gate, jump now, kill them all".
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Erikel
Cosmic Odyssey YouWhat
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Posted - 2008.01.08 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Master OlavPancrazio Edited by: Master OlavPancrazio on 08/01/2008 21:23:47 ENH doesn't use log in traps, ever. Anyone in the corp who uses them would get a real strict warning if not a kick on site. We make it well known we do not support them.
There may a be a case where a newer member used it solo or whatever (obviously without anyone being around to notice it), but you are more than welcome to bring that up with me or any other ENH director, and we will deal with it.
I wasn't part of the op against YouWhat, but I have no doubt they had faulty intelligence. People like to think they got cheated, it makes them feel better inside.
Sounds like you have some stern warnings or some booting to do. I have no doubt that Sexo didn't run here just to make stuff up because he lost a ship.
YW and Einherjar have fought many times before, heck we've even been at war. Never has anyone came here to just make up stuff at any time in the past about losing or winning any engagements, why would they start now?
Personally i've never witnessed you guys doing it before so it's probably just some , hmmm.., rogue elements. I guess that would be an appropriate term.
Anyways, see you guys soon.
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PCaBoo
RennTech SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.08 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: Master OlavPancrazio [There may a be a case where a newer member used it solo or whatever (obviously without anyone being around to notice it),
lol that must be some crazy timing. Solo-log-on-trap 4tw! I'd give props to someone who could manage that. ________________________________ Stop nerfing everything! |
Witch Doctor
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2008.01.08 22:19:00 -
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I'm not sure we would even know what to do, nor would our kill*****s stomach being offline while the fight went down. I wasn't part of the op either, but I can see a number of flaws in your assessment where our gang might have made it in.
I've noticed that the pilots who are quick to conclude that external factors are to blame for a loss ("OMG logonski! spies! lag! h4x!") are the ones not thinking critically about what they did wrong and miss the opportunity to get better. We just had a fight last night in PF where we blew it, but we knew it and learned a lot.
Besides, are logon traps even that effective? It seems like it would take a phenomenally stupid opposing FC to engage you on the gate of your choosing.
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Master OlavPancrazio
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2008.01.08 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Erikel
Originally by: Master OlavPancrazio Edited by: Master OlavPancrazio on 08/01/2008 21:23:47 ENH doesn't use log in traps, ever. Anyone in the corp who uses them would get a real strict warning if not a kick on site. We make it well known we do not support them.
There may a be a case where a newer member used it solo or whatever (obviously without anyone being around to notice it), but you are more than welcome to bring that up with me or any other ENH director, and we will deal with it.
I wasn't part of the op against YouWhat, but I have no doubt they had faulty intelligence. People like to think they got cheated, it makes them feel better inside.
Sounds like you have some stern warnings or some booting to do. I have no doubt that Sexo didn't run here just to make stuff up because he lost a ship.
YW and Einherjar have fought many times before, heck we've even been at war. Never has anyone came here to just make up stuff at any time in the past about losing or winning any engagements, why would they start now?
Personally i've never witnessed you guys doing it before so it's probably just some , hmmm.., rogue elements. I guess that would be an appropriate term.
Anyways, see you guys soon.
Actually it sounds more like you guys need to get better scouts, there were no log in traps used. It's not hard to get a huge force into pf from orvolle.
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Louis DelaBlanche
Cosmic Odyssey YouWhat
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Posted - 2008.01.08 22:55:00 -
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feed us fraps already
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Myrdyr
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Posted - 2008.01.08 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: Louis DelaBlanche feed us fraps already
I'll take bets on whether the fraps ever makes it to this thread. Also taking bets on whether or not the OP tried to clear this matter up privately before initiating the mudslinging.
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Joe Darkie
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.01.08 23:12:00 -
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I Lol'd,whine and cheese from an alliance which underhandedly backstabbed friends who fought for their space and died for them.btw hows orvolle this time of year
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Lucas Avidius
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2008.01.08 23:14:00 -
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Originally by: Sexorella hotz and a review of our fraps also rules out any possible jump-ins as only one jump in was observed and was more than likely one of our pilots in orvolle.
Theres an explanation for that. Whenever our gangs land on gates, there is always a synchronized jump in caused by our FC commanding the gang to jump. One of the affects of this, graphically, is the gate stuttering because of all the jumpins restarting the jump in graphic effect and thus it could easlly appear as a single jump.
ENH does not condone log on traps or tactics such as that, period. We will however jump at opprotunities that are presented to us, especially those that are telegraphed from miles away likes yours were. PF is a dangerous place, gangs are easily hidden in Orvolle, and bait Abaddons are crunchy.
As has been said before, if you suspect any ENH player has been engaging in bad behavior, you can contact any of our directors.
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Paradoxex
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2008.01.09 03:46:00 -
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ENH is done with this thread.
As everyone else here has said, show the fraps or stop the baseless accusations.
Being on vent for the entire fight, I can assure you that your intel is wrong, and that you simply missed the reinforcement gang. ENH has killed dozens of caps, 2 MS, and fought many campaigns, all without resorting to the tactics being implied. The corp prides itself on fighting honorably, and wholeheartedly. We did not use underhanded tactics to take down any of our prior kills, and we would not start in PF, for such a small gang by comparison.
We have fought -Y- off and on continuously, and all of our past engagements have been nothing but good spirited and honorable. In the future we hope this modicum is restored. This is simply not something we'd engage in, because these are not the members we recruit.
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Sexorella hotz
Beasts of Burden YouWhat
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Posted - 2008.01.16 07:17:00 -
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bump to emphasize claim retraction.
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Little Tigerlilly
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Posted - 2008.01.16 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: ry ry Edited by: ry ry on 07/01/2008 16:32:38 i'm sure CCP could easily stick in a 1 min 'calibration' period when you can't lock anything or deploy drones when you first log in.
This might help things a lot. The fact that you can effectively hide isn't the problem, it's that you can instantly appear somewhere and start fighting.
If you are logged off it should take a few moments to get things turned on and online. I like the 1 min timer before you can lock. I can see it possibly causing issues in a mission but I think players could deal with it.
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Sulora
Amarr Rubra Libertas Militia Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.16 18:53:00 -
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So enhj arn't bugging smashkill anymore? I guess those raven spawns were getting old God knows they (smashkill) weren't smart enough to know how to counter an armor repping bs gang of ... 5-10 Seriously enjh, go back to smashkill space, it was so much easier. ---------------------------------------------
Est Sularus Oth Mithas
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3Z3VH
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Posted - 2008.01.16 19:04:00 -
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Ok, it has been explained what really happened in this case, but aside from that (and please excuse my noob-ness if I am wrong), isn't this also something a Cyno field could have accomplished ?
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Dr McTurtle
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Posted - 2008.01.16 20:12:00 -
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As posts in this thread show and information from people in ENH confirm, this was simply a case of coordinated jump in from Orvolle. However it could just as well have been a Black Ops BS using a jump portal through a covert cyno field and you wouldn't have had a chance to see them coming in through gates or a cyno going up. For someone not thinking about the new stuff added lately, it could easily be perceived as a login trap without actually being one.
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Sexorella hotz
Beasts of Burden YouWhat
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Posted - 2008.01.17 04:57:00 -
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Edited by: Sexorella hotz on 17/01/2008 04:58:14 Black ops is possible however that's not what I saw last night, and I highly doubt it happened during the fight in the OP, just a good ol' fashion jump from orvolle. For that matter using a black ops is a bit overkill as there's a populated empire system next door that's very easy to hide in. Methinks just bad scouting in the OP fight ftl. A regular cyno couldn't have done this unless it was a jump portal as no capitals were involved.
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