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Gamon Rowe
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Posted - 2008.01.08 05:49:00 -
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I lost yet another ship in a 0.9 system. I'm not complaining about losing a ship. I've got a good handle on losing ships. What gets me is that this is one of a number of ships that I've had destroyed in a 0.9 system. Not only that, but when my ship was flying through, there were forty-nine (49 x) CONCORD Police Commander/Officer/Captain ships at the gate.
I was destroyed, mugged, and the assailant safely left the system with my cargo before I could dock, get a noob frigate, and return, all under the noses of 49 CONCORD ships all hanging out at the gate, not counting the 8 sentry guns. Not only did they not protect my wreck from the looter, but I didn't even get a CONCORD report on the destruction of my ship.
Is CONCORD purposely aiding pirates these days?
I don't have any means of recouping my losses with my characters, but more than that, I don't rat or run missions, so my reputation with CONCORD is permanently affixed at 0.0, despite following their law and the laws of the systems I enter. On the other hand pirates who destroy my ships routinely have moderately high CONCORD ratings as they rat and run missions heavily. That's like someone with a Police Activities League bumper sticker running down a businessman on the sidewalk, mugging them, and then driving off, still retaining a nice reputation with the police in the process.
I'm not griping about the money I've lost, but what's the point in even having an area declared highsec if there is no sec associated with it. I understand risks, but come on. If you're going to have a police force sitting en masse at a gate, at least provide some deterrence against capital crimes.
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Amarria Black
Clan Anthraxx
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Posted - 2008.01.08 05:54:00 -
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If you need a reminder of the deterrent effect of CONCORD, just remember the number of ships you pass in highsec that don't frag you on sight.
 Originally by: Frug
Your reputation has been entirely redeemed in my eyes. I now want your babies.
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Richard Phallus
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Posted - 2008.01.08 05:57:00 -
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CONCORD is not a deterrent, it is only a consequence. You need to provide your own deterrent.
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Pakalolo
Tha Shiznit
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Posted - 2008.01.08 06:00:00 -
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Originally by: Richard Phallus
CONCORD is not a deterrent, it is only a consequence. You need to provide your own deterrent.
nailed it
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Eval B'Stard
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.01.08 06:00:00 -
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I blame Donuts
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When we gonna see the 40km and 80km tractor beams ?
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MenanceWhite
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Posted - 2008.01.08 06:01:00 -
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Missiongrinding is boring. Those standings better be well spent.
If you were carrying something valueable and got ganked, that probably means that they had scanned you to make sure it was worth the suicide ganking. They also probably had someone else in standby ready to loot the stuff. This is a legit tactic, looting does not make concord shoot you - only shooting does.
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Kyra Felann
Gallente
Elite Storm Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.01.08 06:01:00 -
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Originally by: Richard Phallus
CONCORD is not a deterrent, it is only a consequence. You need to provide your own deterrent.
Consequences can provide deterrents if the consequence is severe enough.
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Richard Phallus
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Posted - 2008.01.08 06:02:00 -
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Edited by: Richard Phallus on 08/01/2008 06:02:56
Originally by: Kyra Felann
Consequences can provide deterrents if the consequence is severe enough.
Peripheral effect in this case, not 100% effective obviously.(and not meant to be) 
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Pakalolo
Tha Shiznit
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Posted - 2008.01.08 06:02:00 -
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it is not concord that responds to outlaws, merely the faction navy.
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Vaal Erit
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Posted - 2008.01.08 06:03:00 -
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Originally by: Gamon Rowe
I was destroyed, mugged, and the assailant safely left the system with my cargo before I could dock, get a noob frigate, and return, all under the noses of 49 CONCORD ships all hanging out at the gate, not counting the 8 sentry guns. Not only did they not protect my wreck from the looter, but I didn't even get a CONCORD report on the destruction of my ship.
How? If you are talking about he brought a friend to scoop loot, then yeah stealing is not big enough of a crime to warrant destruction by concord.
If you are saying someone killed you in .9 and he did not get popped by concord then I would like to know how he did that please.
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Gamon Rowe
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Posted - 2008.01.08 06:11:00 -
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Edited by: Gamon Rowe on 08/01/2008 06:13:09
Originally by: Richard Phallus
CONCORD is not a deterrent, it is only a consequence. You need to provide your own deterrent.
Well, I suppose that is the problem then. I'm not a fighter in the slightest. I cannot physically provide any form of deterrent. All I can do is keep purchasing new ships. But at the rate I've been hemorrhaging isk in highsec, I really don't have the option of even being able to recover at this point.
At any rate, as long as there is no shortage of those with skills and teammates sufficient to pull this off, then as far as it concerns the small-business merchant, there is no consequence from CONCORD either. At which point I suppose there really isn't much incentive to continue on any course other than combat.
And no, they were careful not to pod me. But seeing as my clone with implants wasn't worth 1/10 of what I had in my ship, it really doesn't phase me either way. If I had a way of insuring cargo, then it would be a different story as well. Seeing as that's not possible, well, I suppose it doesn't matter.
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Richard Phallus
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Posted - 2008.01.08 06:17:00 -
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Originally by: Gamon Rowe
Well, I suppose that is the problem then. I'm not a fighter in the slightest. I cannot physically provide any form of deterrent. All I can do is keep purchasing new ships. But at the rate I've been hemorrhaging isk in highsec, I really don't have the option of even being able to recover at this point.
Then you need friends that can provide the deterrent.
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Gamon Rowe
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Posted - 2008.01.08 06:28:00 -
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Originally by: Richard Phallus
Then you need friends that can provide the deterrent.
I knew that was going to pop up rather quickly. I'd rather not have to pull every favor I can muster to make the dangerous trip across Perimeter to Jita, or through another like area. Again, no point in attempting to put together an argument to common sense. As much as I fly though, heh, I'd need a significant bank account to be able to comp escorts. Seeing as I'm short on that, I suppose I'll just learn to enjoy missions and leave that whole economics thing to corps that can afford escorts.
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Amarria Black
Clan Anthraxx
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Posted - 2008.01.08 06:35:00 -
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Originally by: Gamon Rowe
Originally by: Richard Phallus
Then you need friends that can provide the deterrent.
I knew that was going to pop up rather quickly. I'd rather not have to pull every favor I can muster to make the dangerous trip across Perimeter to Jita, or through another like area. Again, no point in attempting to put together an argument to common sense. As much as I fly though, heh, I'd need a significant bank account to be able to comp escorts. Seeing as I'm short on that, I suppose I'll just learn to enjoy missions and leave that whole economics thing to corps that can afford escorts.
There are several other ways to protect your assets. Haul in a fast ship that can't be pinned down easily. Haul in an unconventional ship. Pick and choose your times to haul. Split up your load in such a manner as to minimize your target value. Scout potentially hot gates for obvious concentrations of gank ships. And most importantly, AVOID THE HELL OUT OF JITA. AND PERIMETER. AND NEW CAL. Hell, stay out of Caldari space altogether.
Originally by: Frug
Your reputation has been entirely redeemed in my eyes. I now want your babies.
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Rangkai
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Posted - 2008.01.08 06:42:00 -
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Train up the skills for transport ships.
they are tough enough that it is less likely you will be blown up before concord responds.
The money you save in not exploding is well worth the cost... and their speed makes hauling through lowsec easier
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Rajah Cudlar
Federation Scrap Dealers
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Posted - 2008.01.08 06:49:00 -
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Quote:
Hell, stay out of Caldari space altogether.
This. If you really need to be around a trade hub for business then you will enjoy yourself much more and make more isk too if you use Amarr, Rens, Agil or Ours.
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Jack Freely
Caldari Trading Corp
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Posted - 2008.01.08 07:33:00 -
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Originally by: Gamon Rowe
Originally by: Richard Phallus
Then you need friends that can provide the deterrent.
I knew that was going to pop up rather quickly. I'd rather not have to pull every favor I can muster to make the dangerous trip across Perimeter to Jita, or through another like area. Again, no point in attempting to put together an argument to common sense. As much as I fly though, heh, I'd need a significant bank account to be able to comp escorts. Seeing as I'm short on that, I suppose I'll just learn to enjoy missions and leave that whole economics thing to corps that can afford escorts.
Train up your shield skills so you can have a nice big passive tank with nice t2 passive shield mods on so they won't target you.
One tip - my fighter pilot is my hauler, its nice to be able to dock and load up a good ship to get revenge in.
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umop 3pisdn
Minmatar
Fnck the blob.
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Posted - 2008.01.08 07:36:00 -
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Originally by: Amarria Black
If you need a reminder of the deterrent effect of CONCORD, just remember the number of ships you pass in highsec that don't frag you on sight.
Yah jumping into EC- or any other choke point will soon make the difference quite clear
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2008.01.08 07:48:00 -
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Of course CONCORD is effective. If it wasn't, people like myself would be killing anyone I could get locked down in high sec. But I can't, because CONCORD would explode my beautiful ship.
So I have to be a bit more picky, and only kill the really rich/stupid ones.
Bellum Eternus
[Vid] L E G E N D A R Y
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shismo
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Posted - 2008.01.08 07:57:00 -
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Well, this is not part of the OPs main point, but he brought it up so ill comment.
What they should do is give anyone who has not gotten concord angry at them in the past week a reputation boost. Every week. Not a large one but to where someone who doesn't rat or mission run can slowly go up over time for being a good citizen.
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Rilder
Caldari
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.01.08 08:25:00 -
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Edited by: Rilder on 08/01/2008 08:26:13
Another useful tip:
DON'T EVER ACTIVATE AUTOPILOT.
Auto-pilot is basicly useless, Ive only ever used it when flying around in an empty shuttle or ceptor.
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Originally by: shismo
Well, this is not part of the OPs main point, but he brought it up so ill comment.
What they should do is give anyone who has not gotten concord angry at them in the past week a reputation boost. Every week. Not a large one but to where someone who doesn't rat or mission run can slowly go up over time for being a good citizen.
Whats the point? its not like having a positive sec status grants you any bonuses.
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Hooligans Of War
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.01.08 11:07:00 -
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Don't use T1 haulers nor autopilot and fit inertia stabilisers instead of cargo expanders.
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Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
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Posted - 2008.01.08 11:21:00 -
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I agree with the OP. Concord should be got rid of.
If you agress in high sec a message should pop up saying
"You have violated a in game rule, your ship will now be removed from the item database".
Then we won't get people trying to use real life analogies when they get frustrated with an in game mechanism.
But even in real life the cops can't protect nuthin.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/5079478.stm
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2008.01.08 11:44:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 08/01/2008 11:44:25
Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Of course CONCORD is effective. If it wasn't, people like myself would be killing anyone I could get locked down in high sec. But I can't, because CONCORD would explode my beautiful ship.
So I have to be a bit more picky, and only kill the really rich/stupid ones.
100% agreeing with a Bellum Eternus post
Rifters!
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Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.01.08 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: Gamon Rowe
I lost yet another ship in a 0.9 system. I'm not complaining about losing a ship. I've got a good handle on losing ships. What gets me is that this is one of a number of ships that I've had destroyed in a 0.9 system. Not only that, but when my ship was flying through, there were forty-nine (49 x) CONCORD Police Commander/Officer/Captain ships at the gate.
I was destroyed, mugged, and the assailant safely left the system with my cargo before I could dock, get a noob frigate, and return, all under the noses of 49 CONCORD ships all hanging out at the gate, not counting the 8 sentry guns. Not only did they not protect my wreck from the looter, but I didn't even get a CONCORD report on the destruction of my ship.
Is CONCORD purposely aiding pirates these days?
I don't have any means of recouping my losses with my characters, but more than that, I don't rat or run missions, so my reputation with CONCORD is permanently affixed at 0.0, despite following their law and the laws of the systems I enter. On the other hand pirates who destroy my ships routinely have moderately high CONCORD ratings as they rat and run missions heavily. That's like someone with a Police Activities League bumper sticker running down a businessman on the sidewalk, mugging them, and then driving off, still retaining a nice reputation with the police in the process.
I'm not griping about the money I've lost, but what's the point in even having an area declared highsec if there is no sec associated with it. I understand risks, but come on. If you're going to have a police force sitting en masse at a gate, at least provide some deterrence against capital crimes.
What ship were you in?
How was it fitted?
What cargo were you carrying?
Above all, were you autopiloting?
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Seishomaru
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Posted - 2008.01.08 11:59:00 -
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Next time. Transport everything in a ship with a Smartbomb. IF you are attacked in high sec. Drop your cargo and activate SB. At least they won get your loot.
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cal nereus
Hobos of War
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.01.08 12:00:00 -
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Edited by: cal nereus on 08/01/2008 12:01:30
Concord does not serve and protect. Concord chases and punishes. If someone broke Concord law and survived, I hear CCP calls it an exploit. Whether the victim lives or dies, keeps or loses their stuff, is really a matter of time and chance for the most part. And ya, if the pirate explicitly did something that violates Concord law, then Concord should attack them, and they should lose a ship (beyond that, Concord isn't gonna do much else).
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wierchas noobhunter
Cosmic Fusion
When Fat Kids Attack
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Posted - 2008.01.08 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Gamon Rowe
Edited by: Gamon Rowe on 08/01/2008 06:13:09
Originally by: Richard Phallus
CONCORD is not a deterrent, it is only a consequence. You need to provide your own deterrent.
Well, I suppose that is the problem then. I'm not a fighter in the slightest. I cannot physically provide any form of deterrent. All I can do is keep purchasing new ships. But at the rate I've been hemorrhaging isk in highsec, I really don't have the option of even being able to recover at this point.
At any rate, as long as there is no shortage of those with skills and teammates sufficient to pull this off, then as far as it concerns the small-business merchant, there is no consequence from CONCORD either. At which point I suppose there really isn't much incentive to continue on any course other than combat.
And no, they were careful not to pod me. But seeing as my clone with implants wasn't worth 1/10 of what I had in my ship, it really doesn't phase me either way. If I had a way of insuring cargo, then it would be a different story as well. Seeing as that's not possible, well, I suppose it doesn't matter.
i think u are in wrong game
this game is focused on pvp, and u are newer safe, when u undock u agree that u are an target to anyone, and concord don't provide protection for u it just kills anything that break rules in higt sec aka does aggressive acts
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Gamesguy
Amarr
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.01.08 12:06:00 -
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OP's story sounds like bull****.
1. Concord will always kill the aggressor, if it didnt its an bannable exploit.
2. Concord on gate will respond within 2 seconds(I counted) of aggression. They will instantly jam the aggressor(and all his drones), and neut all his cap in 0.1 seconds. Followed by ship destruction 1 second later. Therefore you must've gotten one volleyed.
3. You must've been hauling something very valuable and in an extremely paper thing ship if you can be one volleyed.
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000Hunter000
Gallente
Magners Marauders
VENOM Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.08 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Gamesguy
OP's story sounds like bull****.
1. Concord will always kill the aggressor, if it didnt its an bannable exploit.
2. Concord on gate will respond within 2 seconds(I counted) of aggression. They will instantly jam the aggressor(and all his drones), and neut all his cap in 0.1 seconds. Followed by ship destruction 1 second later. Therefore you must've gotten one volleyed.
3. You must've been hauling something very valuable and in an extremely paper thing ship if you can be one volleyed.
This
CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!!
Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
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