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Blank Zero
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Posted - 2008.01.10 22:07:00 -
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Hello all the wise ones of the boards,
I have a question regarding the interceptor, taranis in particular, and web. Why do you fit web on the ranis? In my opinion, if an interceptor got web, it's a dead interceptor. Wouldn't it be wiser to fit just scram and something else and orbit outside of web range and survive?
BTW, this question is for interceptor in small gang, not solo. IMO, inceptor is not a solo ship.
Thank you so much in advance for any answer.
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Gunner Cid
The Carebear Stare
Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.01.10 22:09:00 -
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So you can kill other inties, sacrifice for a nano ship tackle etc.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
Enuma Elish.
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Posted - 2008.01.10 22:24:00 -
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Edited by: James Lyrus on 10/01/2008 22:24:27
'blasteranis does 200ish dps at 2km.
If you're getting that close, then you need a web. And actually, if you're getting that close, it's entirely possible to maintain transverse, simply because your orbital radius is so much lower. Even when webbed. 10x less speed, 10x smaller orbit = same transversal.
You can't disengage at that point, of course, which is why people don't tend to do it much any more, but don't underestimate the impact of an actually really high DPS ship closing up and being near unhittable.
Also - sometime webbing them is really useful too, in a gang support roles.
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Corstaad
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.01.10 22:24:00 -
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Yah web is for catching inty's or Nano's without the Minny Recons. The short range ultra fast inties are usally great for gangs bad for solo.
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Khonsu
Rest home for Tired Seadogs
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Posted - 2008.01.10 22:24:00 -
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A web is essential to stop ships from getting to the gate and jump - because that's what they'll try to do... You really need webbers.
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Hannobaal
Gallente
Igneus Auctorita
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.10 22:28:00 -
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Blaster Taranis is cool.
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Blank Zero
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Posted - 2008.01.10 22:35:00 -
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Thank you so much for all the replies guys. I guess i am going to take out my multispectrum ECM and replace it with a web.
Again, thank you
Blank
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Alowishus
Pastry Coalition
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Posted - 2008.01.10 23:01:00 -
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Each race has two interceptors, a tackler and a killer. A tackler is meant to tackle any ship, with their new bonuses you can be out of web range/nos. range which adds to your survivability against ships that you otherwise can't kill on your own. In the case of the Gallente, the Taranis is the killer and it's implied that you will be using blasters and a web (though you can get creative and try rails if you want). You have to be more selective about your targets, solo you can kill other interceptors, frigates, some destroyers, some cruisers and some AFs. In groups you are even more deadly. But the fact is that if you are not confident you can kill it in a flat out slug fest, don't get inside web range.
Yes, you should run a web on a Taranis. No you should not engage everyone within web range.
A large part of PvP is target selection. People who say that getting in web range with a ceptor is suicide either have exceptionally bad luck (like the time a Badger MkII killed my Crow) or are not good at selecting targets.
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Monkey Saturday
Dedspace Saints
Scalar Federation
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Posted - 2008.01.10 23:04:00 -
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A web on a ranis can be useful as stated above. However, I would never in a million years stick on my my Ares. Taranis isn't really built for speed, its more of a speed+dps combination, so be sure to pick the right ship for what you want to do. When you're going over 8kps in an Ares, fitting a web is just silly 
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MenanceWhite
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Posted - 2008.01.10 23:07:00 -
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Already mentioned but if something larger than you that using turrets webs you, you can web back. This will prevent them from flying away and outrange you. It will also allow you to manually orbit them at even closer distances which will make them miss you.
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Alowishus
Pastry Coalition
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Posted - 2008.01.10 23:11:00 -
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Also, keep in mind that if you're up against something that is far slower and you get into trouble, if they're webbed and you're webbed you can usually set your orbit outside of web range and get there relatively quickly and simply MWD to safety, just remember to set the orbit beyond web range and not simply fly away in order to keep transversal up.
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VB Sarge
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.01.11 01:53:00 -
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*note to self* Get a Claw and fit with a web and try it out.
I wonder if it can outperform a Jag or Wolf in this scenario.
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Liang Nuren
The Avalon Foundation
Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.01.11 02:43:00 -
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I went solo vs a blasteranis and he took my Sabre to half shields before I podded him - but he was double webbed and at my optimal.
I was *REALLY* surprised at just how much damage he was dealing. I'd probably orbit further out next time.
-Liang
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When they said to put 'stabs on your 'cane, they meant GYROSTABS!
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Grimpak
Gallente
Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2008.01.11 02:56:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
I went solo vs a blasteranis and he took my Sabre to half shields before I podded him - but he was double webbed and at my optimal.
I was *REALLY* surprised at just how much damage he was dealing. I'd probably orbit further out next time.
-Liang
neutron 'ranis?
well to be fair, even a tanked ion 'ranis would fall to a Sabre. However, half shields is something that you should expect vs the taranis, when you consider blasters with faction AM and the 2 T2 warriors
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Liang Nuren
The Avalon Foundation
Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.01.11 03:02:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
neutron 'ranis?
well to be fair, even a tanked ion 'ranis would fall to a Sabre. However, half shields is something that you should expect vs the taranis, when you consider blasters with faction AM and the 2 T2 warriors
Yeah, it was a neutron 'ranis. The sheer amount of damage applied from a frig was just a little bit offsetting... hehe.
-Liang
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Originally by: "QProQ"
When they said to put 'stabs on your 'cane, they meant GYROSTABS!
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Grimpak
Gallente
Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2008.01.11 03:03:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Grimpak
neutron 'ranis?
well to be fair, even a tanked ion 'ranis would fall to a Sabre. However, half shields is something that you should expect vs the taranis, when you consider blasters with faction AM and the 2 T2 warriors
Yeah, it was a neutron 'ranis. The sheer amount of damage applied from a frig was just a little bit offsetting... hehe.
-Liang
thos things are nasties. they can pull up 200dps with the right fittings.
scary things
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Norwood Franskly
Minmatar
Fleet of the Damned
United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.11 03:08:00 -
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I fit a web on my stiletto but I'm kind of suicidal when it comes to flying interceptors, it depends what I'm trying to do 90% of the time I'll be outside web range but if it's a nanoed up HAC or something I can fly in close web him and watch the rest of my gang blow him out the sky so that gives me some satisfaction...
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Emily Evermore
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Posted - 2008.01.11 03:16:00 -
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how would a taranis do against an experienced crow pilot?
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Grimpak
Gallente
Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2008.01.11 03:29:00 -
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Originally by: Emily Evermore
how would a taranis do against an experienced crow pilot?
if you manage to get that crow in your web range, the crow is dead. simple as.
the hard part however is managing to put the crow inside the web range of the slowest inty of the game
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Prometheus Exenthal
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.01.11 04:16:00 -
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to catch a crow you pretty much have to have thermodynamics and hope that he doesnt as well 
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2008.01.11 04:30:00 -
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Originally by: Prometheus Exenthal
to catch a crow you pretty much have to have thermodynamics and hope that he doesnt as well
Thermodynamics is total win, actually.
Rifters!
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Corstaad
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.01.11 06:59:00 -
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Heats next on my training list. Seen some pretty awesome things when heats applied to some oh **** moments.
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Hozac
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Posted - 2008.01.11 07:33:00 -
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Because sitting outside web range and running if you aren't winning is for squares.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Dark-Rising
The Dawn of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.01.11 07:55:00 -
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Originally by: Blank Zero
Hello all the wise ones of the boards,
I have a question regarding the interceptor, taranis in particular, and web. Why do you fit web on the ranis? In my opinion, if an interceptor got web, it's a dead interceptor. Wouldn't it be wiser to fit just scram and something else and orbit outside of web range and survive?
BTW, this question is for interceptor in small gang, not solo. IMO, inceptor is not a solo ship.
Thank you so much in advance for any answer.
Because its fun to fly a web inty and living on the edge instead of being a long range boring i-put-one-point-on-stuff-and-thats-it-inty.
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Goshinko
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.01.11 07:57:00 -
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In my experience Domination Web + Overheat is totally OP while flying a Crow.
For any and all ceptors (except ranis, usually takes a few more to get past hull. They just don't expect to get webbed at 19km, so they leave their MWD on going 'wtf?'. That + a few volleys + fat sig = dead ceptor. If I can't overheat for long I just cruise down to 15km.
Originally by: IHeartYou
However, Crows seem to suit me best because it's just so much fun to toy with your target, then own them with your 150-200dps.
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Emily Evermore
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Posted - 2008.01.11 09:49:00 -
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Originally by: Goshinko
In my experience Domination Web + Overheat is totally OP while flying a Crow.
For any and all ceptors (except ranis, usually takes a few more to get past hull. They just don't expect to get webbed at 19km, so they leave their MWD on going 'wtf?'. That + a few volleys + fat sig = dead ceptor. If I can't overheat for long I just cruise down to 15km.
so you have to buy a 200mil isk web to catch a crow? 
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Liang Nuren
The Avalon Foundation
Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.01.11 10:16:00 -
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Originally by: Emily Evermore
Originally by: Goshinko
In my experience Domination Web + Overheat is totally OP while flying a Crow.
For any and all ceptors (except ranis, usually takes a few more to get past hull. They just don't expect to get webbed at 19km, so they leave their MWD on going 'wtf?'. That + a few volleys + fat sig = dead ceptor. If I can't overheat for long I just cruise down to 15km.
so you have to buy a 200mil isk web to catch a crow?
Um, I think they meant fitting the web to the crow.
-Liang
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Originally by: "QProQ"
When they said to put 'stabs on your 'cane, they meant GYROSTABS!
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atrophocy
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.01.11 11:04:00 -
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Edited by: atrophocy on 11/01/2008 11:05:02
the way i see the taranis, you've got two options [<3 trinity ceptor buff, made gallente tacklers viable]
1. Suicide Gank ceptor
blasters, web scram mwd, magstab and whatever else takes your fancy in the lows.
This thing demolishes other ceptors in record time, if you can get em webbed. it's more like a nano assault frigate. dps is off the scale for a ceptor. Can be very very effective in gangs, but will die alot as you are engaging at point blank range and will get webbed and instapopped alot. Great in big fights cos you can sneak up on enemy ceptors and have them webbed and dead before they know whats going on  also put out great dps for taking out bigger targets in gangs.
2. tackler taranis.
125mm rails, mwd, cap recharger, disruptor, overdrives/nano
will go 5.2km/s or so with decent skills, is cap sustainable as long as you dont shoot too much and can engage at 15-20km comfortably and keep a point. does great dps for a tackler while having pretty decent survivability. Obviously no need for a web here. This option has only really become viable since Trinity as previously you had to drop your speed mods for cap mods so you didnt cap out in 10 seconds flat.
So, for the OP, i'd say you definitely have to consider your role in the gang and what other ships you'll be flying with and against and decide what is best for you. I'd really recommend flying both and getting a good feel for them. great little ship.
Can i be a Paper Panther? same as a Paper Tiger but with alliteration to boot
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Dheorl
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.01.11 12:08:00 -
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Prob with crows is that now with the reduction in cap usage of scrams you get them fitting webs as well so all that will happen is he'll stay at 10km and still kill you. Just have to hope you picked a fight with one of the ones that isn't packing a web.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2008.01.11 12:24:00 -
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Edited by: Grimpak on 11/01/2008 12:24:15
Originally by: atrophocy
2. tackler taranis.
125mm rails, mwd, cap recharger, disruptor, overdrives/nano
will go 5.2km/s or so with decent skills, is cap sustainable as long as you dont shoot too much and can engage at 15-20km comfortably and keep a point. does great dps for a tackler while having pretty decent survivability. Obviously no need for a web here. This option has only really become viable since Trinity as previously you had to drop your speed mods for cap mods so you didnt cap out in 10 seconds flat.
problem with this is that the ares does a better job at tackling.
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